Make Heroine ga Oosugiru! Episode 11 Discussion

I can kind of handwave away how "extreme" that move was to "being an anime", especially one that's been leaning hard into anime tropes, at that.

As for why Nukumizu had to do that, I think that move was intended to be out of character for Nukumizu. He obviously cares a lot about Komari, and his repeated offer to attend the meeting on her behalf was implied to be an attempt to protect her. Which is already "out of character," actually. At the meeting, he felt he had to do something, but he didn't exactly know what, and chose the obvious, over-the-top approach that doesn't even help her.

I don't think the show is characterizing that move as acceptable or smart, either. Anna calls him out on it, and Nukumizu himself admits that it was "out of line" and apologizes. And I think Komari lets him off the hook a bit because she knows she completely failed her goal already by the time Nukumizu entered the room.

Young high school student makes a error in interpersonal relations, even deviating from his own standards, shocking.
Actually I am surprised this group does not more gaffes and accidental emotional injuries. They are young, most of them have some baggage and emotional or behavioral weakness to deal with, and all seem to under one stress or another. And yet, they are still all alive and somewhat functional. Many of us may have done that well or better back in high school, some of us not.

Anyway they finished up the crises decently, and with a "Chika, the Nuk will be with you, always"

Tbh, Komari getting nervous about speaking in front of a crowd is normal.

More importantly also involves this student council meeting. I think Komari just needs to develop better social skills as she seems to hae a hard time expressing herself. Nukumizu still has the play the role of a leader/life coach as usual. Although from the start, it looks like every character has their own flaws. We just get to see more of Komari's this time.

I dunno about this episode, man, I think it's a miss. Ever since the beach episode I feel like the show shifted and became about Komari, with other characters sprinkled in. (from what other replies I read in these forums, I think it has to do with the source material, and not opening new plot lines because they wouldn't had time to properly flesh them out, so they concentrated on what's already available and had time for, Komari's arc)

I feel like there's a limit to how much you can push a friend. I would 100% agree with anybody that what Nukumizu did at the zoo is extremely realistic. Hell, I pissed off a loved one cause I said something stupid and invalidated their entire effort too! The road to hell is paved with good intentions yada yada yada.

But to go, unnanounced, into a meeting and overstep whatever authority your friend has, is a step too far in my opinion. I would never dream of doing that to any of my friends and I would be extremely put off if any of my friends did that, especially after learning that it's something personal that I have to overcome.

It's less about showing support and more about thinking you're in the right, and that reads extremely out of character for Nukumizu. I didn't think that was something he would ever do.

When they showed them outside the meeting I thought he would do something silly to alleviate Komari's tension or something, but that's not what happened, I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it now. In my opinion, Nukumizu should have faced way more consequences.

I don't know, my opinion.

Yeah, it was strange to see Komari struggle like this again, after the conclusion to her "arc" that felt pretty final in the last episode.

I think the issue this time around was that there are still some things that she should handle by herself no matter what, even if she may get some help from time to time, like she did during the cultural festival.

She was extremely stubborn about it, though, which was the weirdest part. Shouldn't she be at least a little bit open to the idea of delegating the public speaking??

It could be viewed as either a random aberration in his behavior, because that happens, or something influenced by his becoming more emotionally engaged with the people around him and more volatile as a result. He may act more impulsively as a participant that as a merely observer of people.

@perseii that was just a conclusion to one of her struggles, doesn't mean it's all sunshine and rainbows after that. you keep saying things like she should this and she should that, but that's exactly the problem the episode is addressing. you can force your ideas all you want on a person, and she clearly tried, but if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. some people are just like that.

Komari-chan has me at this point pissed me off quite a bit, I felt the story and her resolution of the festival and quite liked it, but now we have to deal with another issue that involves her character that seemingly hasn't managed to grow AT ALL. Went straight back to who she was before the festival, thereby I deem her a SHIT character who is just pissing me off by now. It soured the entire episode just seeing the first 3min of her bitching again.

Ngl everyone I dislike komari..... A lot...... like a lot a lot

@ryzxgum I'm not talking about how she should or shouldn't have gone about it, and I'm not saying everything should be fine with her now.

I'm just saying that in the last episode she's already dealt with this specific issue, or at least she's understood how she should work on this issue moving forward.

Unless I've misunderstood her arc so far, by the end of the cultural festival Komari realized quite a few things.
- She doesn't have to shoulder all of her responsibilities by herself, whether it's her duties as club president or just life in general.
- She thought she doesn't even have anyone to help her, but she had a ton of people pitching in for the club exhibit. At the very least, she sees a friend in Nukumizu, with whom she feels at ease and shares her problems.
- She resolves to move forward past her loneliness and heartbreak, and feels grateful for the senpais and the club they left behind.

In this episode, basically every point above got reversed and appeared unresolved. She still tried to take on the club president duties herself, she still claimed she was all alone, and she still was afraid of senpais leaving her behind.

Yes, people can "regress," but not in the very next episode. Besides, the show didn't really characterize this as Komari regressing.

Even if she has trouble living up to her new perspective and resolve from the last episode, she doesn't even seem to be trying to or even aware..? She never goes, "maybe I'm not alone, just last week a bunch of people helped me," or something.

The more I think about this, the less it makes sense. It's like the episodes are out of order?? I really like Komari and her character development, but it's just strange how this episode played out.

@ryzxgum I'm not talking about how she should or shouldn't have gone about it, and I'm not saying everything should be fine with her now.

I'm just saying that in the last episode she's already dealt with this specific issue, or at least she's understood how she should work on this issue moving forward.

Unless I've misunderstood her arc so far, by the end of the cultural festival Komari realized quite a few things.
- She doesn't have to shoulder all of her responsibilities by herself, whether it's her duties as club president or just life in general.
- She thought she doesn't even have anyone to help her, but she had a ton of people pitching in for the club exhibit. At the very least, she sees a friend in Nukumizu, with whom she feels at ease and shares her problems.
- She resolves to move forward past her loneliness and heartbreak, and feels grateful for the senpais and the club they left behind.

In this episode, basically every point above got reversed and appeared unresolved. She still tried to take on the club president duties herself, she still claimed she was all alone, and she still was afraid of senpais leaving her behind.

Yes, people can "regress," but not in the very next episode. Besides, the show didn't really characterize this as Komari regressing.

Even if she has trouble living up to her new perspective and resolve from the last episode, she doesn't even seem to be trying to or even aware..? She never goes, "maybe I'm not alone, just last week a bunch of people helped me," or something.

The more I think about this, the less it makes sense. It's like the episodes are out of order?? I really like Komari and her character development, but it's just strange how this episode played out.