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Feb 24, 2017 4:28 PM

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GenesisAria said:

How do you know Being X isn't involved in all of those cases as well?

Fair point. I can't deny that possibility, but I just don't think Being X influenced some random individuals that were probably going to die off quickly. If anything, I think he would be exerting his power on the strategists and generals of the other armies to make sure they're all targeting her specifically.
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Damn, Tanya doesn't show any mercy. I felt really bad for the old man and his family....


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I didn't watch the recap episode, but I was hoping that the animation quality would go back to normal... I don't know much about the animation making process, so maybe it'll go back up by episode 9 and 10?

It wasn't just the animation quality, but the sound design was lacking a bit in certain places, but excelled in other spots. Once the battle actually started I was hooked. Ending with the Christmas present thing was heartbreaking, aggravating, but extremely enjoyable. I also really liked the end scene in Kansas, it was a very beautiful way to make me feel more for the Americans (being that I am one). The scene where the American was speaking his own lines of praise to God was making my mind race: "Will God protect him? No way, Tanya is the main character. But how could God be supporting her in her evil actions? What's going to happen?!" His death was very sad, and you could really feel the despair emanating from him as he looked around the fort, the casualties, and especially Tanya.

I'm just curious as to when the overarching plot is going to get rolling/reveal itself. The military drama is very interesting and the battles are fantastic, but what is the overall... point? What is Being X's goal? What is he trying to show Tanya by supporting her like this?
Feb 24, 2017 4:38 PM

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MariSan28 said:
That'd be cliche to somehow have two overpowered young girls fighting.


Please name me five examples where two over powered young girls on opposite sides of a full scale war are each others opponents.

If it is a cliche, I assume you must have quite a lot of examples where this has happened over and over again.
Feb 24, 2017 5:00 PM

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Tanya is as savage as ever. It was funny when she was trying to reach up as high as she could to point at the map.

Time for Mary to start praying to God.

Anyone else think there is a chance that Being X could give her power to fight Tanya?
Feb 24, 2017 5:07 PM

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This is the most entertaining show for me this season. :)

Once again it delivers. Thank you Nut!
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Feb 24, 2017 6:22 PM

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This episode was basically the Nazi invasion of Oslo, only in WWI and much better executed.
Feb 24, 2017 6:42 PM

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neonie said:
MariSan28 said:
That'd be cliche to somehow have two overpowered young girls fighting.


Please name me five examples where two over powered young girls on opposite sides of a full scale war are each others opponents.

If it is a cliche, I assume you must have quite a lot of examples where this has happened over and over again.

Challenge accepted (not out of spite, but for fun).

Kill la Kill
Akame ga Kill (Akame vs Esdeath)
Haruhi Suzumiya (Yuki vs Asakura)
Claymore
Madoka Magica

Does Arpeggio of Blue Steel count? They're female AIs and some are young-looking, i guess.
Feb 24, 2017 6:49 PM
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aokaori said:
I didn't watch the recap episode, but I was hoping that the animation quality would go back to normal... I don't know much about the animation making process, so maybe it'll go back up by episode 9 and 10?


Almost every televised animation has a few episodes in the middle (from 4-8) that are lacking compared to the other episodes in the series. The focus is, rightly so, on the start and the end. They can clean up the middle for the BDs (which is why people buy them).

aokaori said:
I'm just curious as to when the overarching plot is going to get rolling/reveal itself. The military drama is very interesting and the battles are fantastic, but what is the overall... point? What is Being X's goal? What is he trying to show Tanya by supporting her like this?


He's trying to teach him (Tanya) empathy. Remember in episode two the guy is an efficiency expert? He is in short, an atheist, a materialist, amoral (not immoral), selfish, and completely lacking in any human compassion, faith, or sense of justice or fair play - and ultimately the guy is irresponsibility, not only for his own actions, not only towards society, but towards humanity in general.

The point in putting Tanya into war is the old saying "there are no atheists in foxholes". First he wanted to put the guy into a life or death situation (as said in the second episode), then he wanted for Tanya to experience comradeship. That is where I think this will go next. Tanya has followers now, she is responsible
for their survival. In the first episode she ditched those two guys, but now she can't do that with her own unit. That ultimately is the plot, I think, for Tanya to learn how to care for people.

Sioux (as for why the name, makes sense since he sent his daughter to the great plains) was sort of what God wants from Tanya, a person who has faith in something larger than himself and his petty self interests. That's why his daughter would make the perfect opponent for Tanya.

As for the timeline, I like the implications. The author is skillfully blending WWI and WWII (first Norway, then France, England will be left alone, curious how the USSR will be brought in), so we know that the United States is going to be brought into the war sooner or later - hence the daughter.

I wonder if the writer has read Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson. Wouldn't surprise me, and I am getting a strange vibe about that.

Oh, and outside of reading the first novel I have not looked ahead, this is based entirely on watching the 7 episodes and applying history.
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JustDan said:

Kill la Kill
Akame ga Kill (Akame vs Esdeath)
Haruhi Suzumiya (Yuki vs Asakura)
Claymore
Madoka Magica

Does Arpeggio of Blue Steel count? They're female AIs and some are young-looking, i guess.


Arpeggio definitely not since the "Captain" is the stud.
Haruhi most certainly not, since Kyon is the mediator and Haruhi is the god of both Yuki and Asakura.

I'll leave it to others about the other 3.
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GenesisAria said:

There is also the possibility the guy survives and gets supercharged by Being X to spank Tanya some more, ie being the rival...

You mean, he will becomes winter soldier?
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Okay, now this is funny. Around the 20 minute mark, when the navy is celebrating it's victory, they have the sausages, they have the potatoes, but what the HELL is sekihan doing there???

Intelligent anachronisms are always welcomed.
Feb 24, 2017 7:43 PM

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Poor guy and his family. The ending felt really bad.

Still rooting for Tanya :P
Feb 24, 2017 7:56 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
JustDan said:

Kill la Kill
Akame ga Kill (Akame vs Esdeath)
Haruhi Suzumiya (Yuki vs Asakura)
Claymore
Madoka Magica

Does Arpeggio of Blue Steel count? They're female AIs and some are young-looking, i guess.


Arpeggio definitely not since the "Captain" is the stud.
Haruhi most certainly not, since Kyon is the mediator and Haruhi is the god of both Yuki and Asakura.

I'll leave it to others about the other 3.

The premise I'd followed were (1) Overpowered young girls and (2) "war" setting.

With Arpeggio, technically each battleship were overpowered compared to what the regular humans were using (with exception of Iona). Also, they were definitely in a war setting.

With Haruhi, the overpowered ones were Yuki and Asakura (the classroom battle). However, I would submit that over Kyon is not technically a full scale war.
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Takuan_Soho said:
JustDan said:

Kill la Kill
Akame ga Kill (Akame vs Esdeath)
Haruhi Suzumiya (Yuki vs Asakura)
Claymore
Madoka Magica

Does Arpeggio of Blue Steel count? They're female AIs and some are young-looking, i guess.


Arpeggio definitely not since the "Captain" is the stud.
Haruhi most certainly not, since Kyon is the mediator and Haruhi is the god of both Yuki and Asakura.

I'll leave it to others about the other 3.


Since I was the one who asked:

Arpeggio those are really just ship AI.

The girls weren't each others opponents in Madoka. Kyuube and Witch's were, so I'm not sure how that counts.

In the two season of Haruhi I watched, I defiantly don't remember any full scales wars or much combat at all for that matter. It was pretty Slice of Life. If that happened in some movie or whatever, it still wouldn't count as the premise of a the show at all.

Kill La Kill only counts if still take the original squabble between Ryuko and Satsuki at face value, and fail to look at the bigger picture and actual big bad of the series.

Akame vs Esdeath is two powerful individuals in a world of other powerful individuals, and honestly, despite it's name, they didn't focus on Akame or Esdeath much at all outside of the beginning and end. (Of the Anime, at least.)

Claymore I'll give you, since I haven't seen it all. I can't do a proper evaluation. But now I kind of feel like going to go look it up.
Feb 24, 2017 8:13 PM
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Well, just watched episode 7 of Youjo Senki. Wow - it simply did not disappoint whatsoever. Again, elements of other genres here - the subtle comedy with Tanya trying to reach for the top of the map. The battle scenes were killer, and they wove the 3D in just enough to keep it smooth. However, I love the part where she has an epiphany and figures out the battle plan, and then when the General & LtCol realize she just guessed it, they are amazed (and I think the LtCol may be over his animosity with Tanya, but who knows.

As for the rival, I would assume that it's Mary, even if she's in America now, since Tanya having the gun is a red hand to her father's killer. Without having read the LNs, I kind of think that ultimately Mary won't be able to kill Tanya (and vice versa) but rather might be able to push her into belief and faith (or maybe she will after Tanya gets faith and is allowed to be reincarnated again - who knows).

Whatever the case, this easily remains the best anime of the season, and one of the best anime TV series I've ever watched.

Now, to reply to a few previous comments:

Takuan_Soho said:
JustDan said:

Kill la Kill
Akame ga Kill (Akame vs Esdeath)
Haruhi Suzumiya (Yuki vs Asakura)
Claymore
Madoka Magica

Does Arpeggio of Blue Steel count? They're female AIs and some are young-looking, i guess.


Arpeggio definitely not since the "Captain" is the stud.
Haruhi most certainly not, since Kyon is the mediator and Haruhi is the god of both Yuki and Asakura.

I'll leave it to others about the other 3.

Disagree - while Gunzou might be the OP stud, it's still Iona fighting the others, and ultimate battle is Iona vs. Kongou with Gunzou only in a supporting role.

As for the others, I immediately thought of Akame ga Kill, and Kill la Kill, Madoka Magica & Hellsing Ultimate also fit the bill.

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GenesisAria said:

How do you know Being X isn't involved in all of those cases as well?

Fair point. I can't deny that possibility, but I just don't think Being X influenced some random individuals that were probably going to die off quickly. If anything, I think he would be exerting his power on the strategists and generals of the other armies to make sure they're all targeting her specifically.

Are you sure - Being X essentially admitted that he's stirring the whole world up against her. What's to stop him from using specific individuals
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Oh boy... after reading the summery of all the volumes... this show is now purely in unknown territory, there literally can be no more spoilers as the path this anime took is entirely different from its source material... it might as well not be an adaption of Youjo Senki, but more of an original anime with the same name of Youjo Senki or in this case Saga of Tanya The Evil seem a lot more appropriate now.
Feb 24, 2017 8:36 PM

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I feel like that gun Tanya savaged from the dude she killed , will be used by his daughter on her. Rip that dude and hope his daughter finds happiness without him.
Feb 24, 2017 8:45 PM

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Alcatraz_Zombie said:
GenesisAria said:
How do you know Being X isn't involved in all of those cases as well?
Fair point. I can't deny that possibility, but I just don't think Being X influenced some random individuals that were probably going to die off quickly. If anything, I think he would be exerting his power on the strategists and generals of the other armies to make sure they're all targeting her specifically.
Unless they were just extras for the sake of setting up Tanya's fate ...as has been implied before, if i'm not mistaken, it has more than once forced Tanya into a situation where other humans restrict her options. For example: the prototype mage gear.
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Feb 24, 2017 9:05 PM

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Nice ah, nishya, Tanya
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Feb 24, 2017 9:32 PM

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Just gotta feel bad for those guys in the train that asploded while getting a pep talk.

Those battleships look way too advance.
Feb 24, 2017 9:54 PM
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Takuan_Soho said:


Arpeggio definitely not since the "Captain" is the stud.
Haruhi most certainly not, since Kyon is the mediator and Haruhi is the god of both Yuki and Asakura.

I'll leave it to others about the other 3.


Since I was the one who asked:

Arpeggio those are really just ship AI.

The girls weren't each others opponents in Madoka. Kyuube and Witch's were, so I'm not sure how that counts.

In the two season of Haruhi I watched, I defiantly don't remember any full scales wars or much combat at all for that matter. It was pretty Slice of Life. If that happened in some movie or whatever, it still wouldn't count as the premise of a the show at all.

Kill La Kill only counts if still take the original squabble between Ryuko and Satsuki at face value, and fail to look at the bigger picture and actual big bad of the series.

Akame vs Esdeath is two powerful individuals in a world of other powerful individuals, and honestly, despite it's name, they didn't focus on Akame or Esdeath much at all outside of the beginning and end. (Of the Anime, at least.)

Claymore I'll give you, since I haven't seen it all. I can't do a proper evaluation. But now I kind of feel like going to go look it up.

Arpeggio of Blue Steel is debatable because even young girl AIs have feelings. Also, Tanya is not technically just any overpowered young "girl".

However, I gotta challenge the others.

Madoka Magica - Homura vs Mami. Yeah, not technically a war, but more of a clash of ideology.


Kill la Kill's premise to a point is about two overpowered girls at odds (Nudist Beach vs REVOCS). Just because we know how it ends and which side each character lies, doesn't mean it doesn't fit the original inquiry about "overpowered young girls at opposite sides in a war".

Actually, Akame ga Kill is the best example. Esdeath and Akame both have extremely powerful Imperials Arms and are on opposing sides (Night Raid vs Jeagers). Just because there are other powerful soldiers in the war, doesn't mean it doesn't fit the premise. Tanya isn't winning the war entirely on her own. She has a battalion. Also, like Tanya of "Saga of Tayna the Evil", Akame is the Akame of "Akame ga Kill". Whether or not she shares the main character position with Tatsumi is debatable, but SPOILERS.....she's one of the only few who survives the entire series. That's some Main Character status.
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give her something taller to use on the map not a pen she's too short! lol
the battle was very good
Feb 24, 2017 11:33 PM

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Why do I feel like I want to change sides with the last standing mage dude!?
5/5!


Feb 24, 2017 11:40 PM

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With all this talk about Tanya's "upcoming rival"...does that mean that the Not-United States (Unified States) will be entering the war too?

The one thing that I have been worried about is the Not-United States. Along with a slew of other factors, the introduction of the United States did aid in the Allies' victory against the Central Powers. Not-Germany (Empire) needs to make some allies, establish non-aggression pacts with other countries or develop a big enough deterrent (MAGICAL NUKES) if they don't want to lose this war.

Come on, Tanya! You were Japanese. You know how much a threat the US could be. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Takuan_Soho said:
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With that emphasis on the guy's daughter and Tanya taking the gun, I'm getting a feeling of BS where her daughter would become a solder and magically, evenly battle Tanya.

It's always like that in direction of writing an OP main character....


It's known as "Chekhov's Gun" if you show off a gun early, it will go off on you later. Tanya taking it as an early xmas present was also a definite flag.

I agree on the OP factor in general, but it doesn't apply in this series.

Don't forget that there is a God out there trying to teach Tanya a lesson (and that her actions have consequences that cause other people to suffer), she hasn't learned that lesson yet. And since it has already been shown that God can do whatever he wants in both worlds, including giving someone a more powerful crystal. What God giveth, God can take away.

So it wouldn't be "BS", it's a necessary plot development based on the reason this story exists. God sent Tanya to this world to suffer, she isn't suffering yet, so it is about time for God to up the stakes.

You're right, that was pretty educational. Thanks, I guess I should look forward on how they present it.
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Hrm. All this talk about the anime deviating from the LN is a bit disconcerting. The anime is interesting and badass enough, but having a diverging plot is a pain in the neck for my ocd.
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Am I the only person that thinks it's weird for a child to give her father an initialled rifle as an early Christmas present?

What is wrong with the lolis in this anime?!

Anyway, that guy died but it's not exactly surprising...what is surprising is the fact that Tanya actually remembered him!
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Episode went by way too fast!
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Feb 25, 2017 1:47 AM

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They utterly annihilated the enemy.

The old soldier was a damn fool. He should just have surrendered.

Also, the scene when Tanya tried to reach the map was cute.
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Tanya's company is too strong, I'm not even sure will we see some casualties among her own men ^_^" If everything goes well with just 5 episodes left, I say it is enough for the empire to defeat the North and then proceed to destroy the West(may still feel rushed though if this happens and lets not forget about the United Kingdom).
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The french stood no chance. Overall good, somewhat emotional episode.


They're Scandinavian, but I see the confusion since they're called the Entente Alliance.





Which was something that made me dubious. The beginning of the series, as well as the clothing made me think it was based on WW1.
After all, all Empire uniforms are like WW1 Germany uniforms, and the Republic/Alliance ones from the French and Britain uniforms respectively, and the first "big battle" was a recreation of a battle for the Bucharest taking from the Austria-Hungary Empire in WW1.


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I really hope this anime gets a season 2 without waiting for manga. I dont know about the critics who rated lower than 5 but for me with every episode is always a new hype. I am more depressed as it is nearing the end of this season. Hope they change from 12 to 26 or more episodes. From my point of view ep 7 may be a turning point and tanya might get an opponent . The daughter of the last person killed.
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Well, under the strategic plan, the narration is interesting, but under the action profile, the battle is not me seemed so exciting, perhaps because it has not given strong emotions and unexpected twists. So Tanya on the road, we must also count the fall of another enemy, yet credvo me that he would give most hard time, oh well! Not hurt the quality of the drawings, CG good but not great.
He hoped he would not have said very much, not to spoil the view of who is yet to watch this episode.

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I doubt the daughter will become a soldier if they're not covering a timeskip or something, but she might probably end up killing Tanya in the end on the street or something. Being X may be planning to have Tanya rise to the very top, only to be toppled by a nobody.

Overwhelmingly great characters fall because of natural causes or small things though. It's not BS, rather, it's almost a trope?
I can think of several examples where powerful characters die because of something minor:


Y'all gotta learn to not look at the forums for anime episodes lol. They're always full of spoilers.


Even I have not read other people comments, since you ruined my surprise to some concerns LoGH. XD

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Look at her cute small body pointing the map using that pen. XD
Tanya is successfully tick another higher-up again. Just as expected, and one of the thing that makes her "special". :3
But aside from that, it's time for some other attack into enemy zone. A surprise-aerial attack into enemy zone.


That scene was so funny and cute in some ways.
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That map scene hahahahah poor Tanya xD
This is getting even easier for Tanya, but i hope that she will have an enemy that can fight her.
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So far every battle had been pretty one-sided... X where the challenge?

Rather than the father getting revived, I think chances are the daughter join the fight, there too much hints for it. Time for X to give her blessing too.
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I'm under the impression that the anime hasn't deviated too much, having read posts by actual LN readers?
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I really hope this anime gets a season 2 without waiting for manga. I dont know about the critics who rated lower than 5 but for me with every episode is always a new hype. I am more depressed as it is nearing the end of this season. Hope they change from 12 to 26 or more episodes. From my point of view ep 7 may be a turning point and tanya might get an opponent . The daughter of the last person killed.

The manga's just another adaptation, and we should have more than enough content from the light novel left for a second season right now.
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rizuxizu said:
So far every battle had been pretty one-sided... X where the challenge?

Rather than the father getting revived, I think chances are the daughter join the fight, there too much hints for it. Time for X to give her blessing too.

no spoilers, just this from the LN:
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Remember kids; don't ever charge into a battalion of elite mages without any backup whatsoever. Especially if one of those mages once wiped out your entire party, and particularly if you have a family to look after. There are always the retreat or PoW options after all.


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i feel bad for the guy who getting stab at the end . this ep get dark real fast


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Damn, Tanya doesn't show any mercy. I felt really bad for the old man and his family....


Don't feel bad for him. He was stupid.

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I'm just curious as to when the overarching plot is going to get rolling/reveal itself. The military drama is very interesting and the battles are fantastic, but what is the overall... point? What is Being X's goal? What is he trying to show Tanya by supporting her like this?


I think we're already at the main point. Being X is trying to convert Tanya into a believer and earn her respect.
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They sure weren't subtle foreshadowing the death of Anson Sioux. The dude hit the biggest deathflag one can hit in the war: telling farewell to your family before the battle. The only thing he missed was holding a photo of her wife and daughter and thinking he will return with them once everything finished.

Kinda sad they killed him that early, it looked like if he was shaped to be Tanya's nemesis.
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I wasn't expecting the father to just die when he prayed. Maybe some sort of a power boost of sorts at the very least, will probably see Tanya getting punished in some form down the road and I can't wait to see what will happen!

Looks like she is still taking "Being X" lightly, so we will maybe get someone that can test the limits of her power in battle. I don't think Erich will let her get this much attention and power so we can see some conflict between them happen.
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Good work making the battle more personal.
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elkensteyin said:
rizuxizu said:
So far every battle had been pretty one-sided... X where the challenge?

Rather than the father getting revived, I think chances are the daughter join the fight, there too much hints for it. Time for X to give her blessing too.

no spoilers, just this from the LN:

Is that Tanya? If that's her, damn, she grew up quite a lot. Where did you get the picture from?
Feb 25, 2017 10:57 AM
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elkensteyin said:

no spoilers, just this from the LN:

Is that Tanya? If that's her, damn, she grew up quite a lot. Where did you get the picture from?

It's not Tanya - I mention who it is at the bottom of the pic. The pic is from LN #7
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Is that Tanya? If that's her, damn, she grew up quite a lot. Where did you get the picture from?

It's not Tanya - I mention who it is at the bottom of the pic. The pic is from LN #7

Dang. So small I didn't see it. Thanks =)
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So This epi was quite awesome.. specially that war scenes though.. the whole epi set out for continuation of Tanya's war and believe.. that ship appearing scenes! Sogui... well done NUT

P.S. I just realized that Tanya physical appearance and look in LN(ending) is bit matured & girlish with badass attitude (that i totally like it) but anime done her look alot more like a stubborn child :/ (why???)

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AhmadKanime said:
So This epi was quite awesome.. specially that war scenes though.. the whole epi set out for continuation of Tanya's war and believe.. that ship appearing scenes! Sogui... well done NUT

P.S. I just realized that Tanya physical appearance and look in LN(ending) is bit matured & girlish with badass attitude (that i totally like it) but anime done her look alot more like a stubborn child :/ (why???)

The stubborn child type was most likely the Director's choice. The themes, tone and overall story of this adaptation would be completely different if they went with more mature and serious character designs. I doubt there would be as much humor (as sadistic as it is) in a more mature Tanya (with exception, there are times when she gets super serious and murderous).

Also, they would probably have to change the seiyuu, which would be a shame. Aoi Yukki is the shining star of these show. Aoi Yukki portrays that stubborn child type of character perfectly. Her roles as Tatsumaki from One Punch Man and Komachi from SNAFU really stand out for me.

It's not entirely impossible to have a contrast between story/tone/themes and the art direction, but I think it would be really difficult to pull off. Imagine telling the story of Psycho Pass with the art presented in Kill la Kill. Or another comparable example would be the differences between Terraformars Season 1 vs Season 2.
Feb 25, 2017 1:26 PM

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the guy dying was pretty sad.
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I don't understand where this anime is going. I can understand how obeying rules can be benefical, but this character is just a psychopath. Idk what to think anymore.
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