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May 18, 2016 11:39 PM
#51
Vongola said: Araneae said: Looks like next ep we're back to manga. But I liked these 2 extra eps, they told us a bit about kunikida and dazai. That's nice. It was nice but my hopes of the anime reaching the fight with those two teaming up has fallen a lot. I don't think they could make it to that even with the second season unless they cut stuff, now that they've added anime original things. Oh well, the episode was still entertaining. By those 2 you means Akutagawa and Dazai, right :D - The manga is still in progress so it may take a while. Actually, these 2 episodes helps the manga clarify something, now i know why Kunikida has that illusion at chapter 28 in manga :D Great job, Bones I hope the score will go up , people seem to hate comedy :(. I think Bones nail this show perfectly |
May 18, 2016 11:47 PM
#52
I'm talking about Akutagawa and Atsushi teaming together No and don't click it if you don't want spoiled, the english translation isn't this far into the manga yet. |
May 18, 2016 11:51 PM
#53
idk wtf's going on anymore but but but I SHIPPED KUNIKIDA with SASAKI </3 ;___ ; ~~~ btw, I'm not sure where this anime is heading exactly... it's so random? or is this supposed to be some kind of episodic-ish detective show? I mean, even if Mayoiga looks like someone was high af, at least it has an "occurring plot" or at least we know where it's heading or what it wants to be, for Stray Dogs, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, are we still in the Introductions arc????????? Not hating on this show or anything but.... it's just getting tedious, dragging and pointless. I'm still gonna watch it though. The comedy is ok, and I love the animation. Well, I hope the succeeding episodes pull through. :V |
Thug_GouMay 19, 2016 12:02 AM
May 19, 2016 12:04 AM
#54
May 19, 2016 12:25 AM
#55
Woh, this episode was actually really good. Best one yet, imo. |
May 19, 2016 12:57 AM
#56
I liked what happened here plotwise and all, but I can't say I was actually made to care about any of it in any way, shape or form. |
May 19, 2016 1:30 AM
#57
I liked this episode: another episode with mix of mystery and comedy. Personnaly, I thought Dazai-san was the Blue King. He has almost the same physical shape, and also the way he dressed was like Dazai's. Fuck it it was more like Kunikida-kun. He has the same eyes and hair color and also the same way of thinking. But the way Dazai-san warned him in the end has dropped the probability since someone as intelligent as Dazai would find out his true identity. |
May 19, 2016 2:27 AM
#58
Nice episode. So... Port Mafia is not the main guy here.... |
May 19, 2016 2:31 AM
#59
Lol, that's some CSI shit right there, zooming into an eye to see a reflection... This show is so bad it hurts... |
May 19, 2016 2:44 AM
#60
Minh_Tu said: Actually, these 2 episodes helps the manga clarify something, now i know why Kunikida has that illusion at chapter 28 in manga :D Great job, Bones I hope the score will go up , people seem to hate comedy :(. I think Bones nail this show perfectly OMG, you're right. Thank you for mentioning that, I wouldn't have noticed otherwise :0 I think Bones added a few more comedic scenes, so I can kinda understand why those unfamiliar with the manga sometimes feel like it's a bit weird :D But yeah, it saddens me that so many people seem to dislike it :/ Anyways, Kyouka finally makes her entrance next episode~ |
May 19, 2016 2:53 AM
#62
Vongola said: I'm talking about Akutagawa and Atsushi teaming together No and don't click it if you don't want spoiled, the english translation isn't this far into the manga yet. Too late, google it already, and hype for it XD Creeperface said: Minh_Tu said: Actually, these 2 episodes helps the manga clarify something, now i know why Kunikida has that illusion at chapter 28 in manga :D Great job, Bones I hope the score will go up , people seem to hate comedy :(. I think Bones nail this show perfectly OMG, you're right. Thank you for mentioning that, I wouldn't have noticed otherwise :0 I think Bones added a few more comedic scenes, so I can kinda understand why those unfamiliar with the manga sometimes feel like it's a bit weird :D But yeah, it saddens me that so many people seem to dislike it :/ Anyways, Kyouka finally makes her entrance next episode~ Kyouka !!! Can't wait for her appearance. And I can't wait all the intense moments in the manga will be transform to anime XD. |
May 19, 2016 3:15 AM
#63
This episode was my favorite thus far, actually. Good soundtrack, good action, the jokes were pretty good to my mind, too. I also like Kunikida as a character more now! I had this feeling in my gut that Kunikida would've been the Azure King in the past just like Dazai was in Port Mafia, buuuuut guess that wasn't the right. Although in the end Dazai said Kunikida would turn out to be just the same as the Azure King :V so it's not that far off. |
May 19, 2016 3:59 AM
#64
May 19, 2016 4:29 AM
#65
At the end of the episode, for a moment, I thought that Blue King is Kunikida 0_0 Oh how strange Dazai took the conversation, mentioned what the flame King... so I pondered, could it be that Kunikida...? |
VerdandyMay 19, 2016 4:39 AM
May be some anime? |
May 19, 2016 6:09 AM
#66
L-Ryoshi said: Damn. I knew the moment she showed up last episode that she would be trouble, and yet the way that this concluded, with her following her ex-lover's will and not actually having any reason in her motives besides that, just makes her a hollow empty shell who really served no purpose at all (specially since she didn't really dirty her own hands even to the very end). I can understand why Dazai would take this opportunity to make an object lesson out of the girl and the entire situation, but I still don't see the significance of killing her over bringing her to court and a fair trial. Giving her an instantaneous death does nothing for other victims of the Azure King (just the hacker kid). Plus, she's not even an extension of the Azure King in that sense. Picking up and following his ideals is one thing, but she ultimately failed at what she did, you would think that Dazai would've taken that into account when passing judgement on her crimes, no? Give her a fair trial and ship her to prison for life, whether or not she decides to end her own life after that should be down to her, and no one else should be made accomplice to such a decision. Somehow I feel sorry for hacker-boy for having to deal with this mess in the end. Because unlike Kunikida, Dazai is not an idealist. Considering he is a former mafia member, he very likely has killed people in the past for personal gain. Ending the situation this way was pragmatic for him as it absolves the agency from any kind of shade AND lets him get one in on Kunikida's idealism. And the solution providing a warning to Kunikida was a nice bonus. As scary as it is it is kind of classic mafioso move - not only you get rid of a problem without dirtying your own hands, but you also use the solution as deterrent to others. IT was efficient, it was calculated and it was ruthless - hell Dazai most likely expected it to play out this way as he was not that surprised that the hacker guy came there too. Sure it is unfair, unjust, horrifying and has cost the lives of two people, but for Dazai that was the only logical outcome for this. He is not bothered by the situation, because he is not an idealist nor is obsessed with right or wrong like Kunikida is. |
May 19, 2016 6:16 AM
#67
Fai said: L-Ryoshi said: Damn. I knew the moment she showed up last episode that she would be trouble, and yet the way that this concluded, with her following her ex-lover's will and not actually having any reason in her motives besides that, just makes her a hollow empty shell who really served no purpose at all (specially since she didn't really dirty her own hands even to the very end). I can understand why Dazai would take this opportunity to make an object lesson out of the girl and the entire situation, but I still don't see the significance of killing her over bringing her to court and a fair trial. Giving her an instantaneous death does nothing for other victims of the Azure King (just the hacker kid). Plus, she's not even an extension of the Azure King in that sense. Picking up and following his ideals is one thing, but she ultimately failed at what she did, you would think that Dazai would've taken that into account when passing judgement on her crimes, no? Give her a fair trial and ship her to prison for life, whether or not she decides to end her own life after that should be down to her, and no one else should be made accomplice to such a decision. Somehow I feel sorry for hacker-boy for having to deal with this mess in the end. Because unlike Kunikida, Dazai is not an idealist. Considering he is a former mafia member, he very likely has killed people in the past for personal gain. Ending the situation this way was pragmatic for him as it absolves the agency from any kind of shade AND lets him get one in on Kunikida's idealism. And the solution providing a warning to Kunikida was a nice bonus. As scary as it is it is kind of classic mafioso move - not only you get rid of a problem without dirtying your own hands, but you also use the solution as deterrent to others. IT was efficient, it was calculated and it was ruthless - hell Dazai most likely expected it to play out this way as he was not that surprised that the hacker guy came there too. Sure it is unfair, unjust, horrifying and has cost the lives of two people, but for Dazai that was the only logical outcome for this. He is not bothered by the situation, because he is not an idealist nor is obsessed with right or wrong like Kunikida is. Wow, that so deep. Thank you very much. I agree with Dazai on this. Life is ruthless, there may not be a happy ending ahead. |
May 19, 2016 6:20 AM
#68
I loved this episode although I kind of wished it wasn't concluded like that just because I saw how Kunikida finally found a person with a potential of understanding him, and boom dead and gone. The highlight of this episode is definitely the action, though. The Dazai-Kunikida Team was so on-point. THAT SHIT WAS BADASS. |
Roronoa Zoro is love. Roronoa Zoro is life. |
May 19, 2016 7:07 AM
#69
That was a good episode. I didn't think it was her until she mentioned how her significant other died, was super confused when the computer kid showed up though. The action and ost were nice this episode -w- |
A Wild and Small Otaku has Appeared! |
May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
#70
Suprisingly good episode! I liked action and Kunikida's character development. Though I'm still happy we're going back to manga next week, hehe~ But finally we heard this ost from pv, yay :3 |
May 19, 2016 8:31 AM
#71
okay episode i guess, but i can't really say that i cared about anything that went on. |
May 19, 2016 9:53 AM
#72
Couldn't be so pretty, could it. The more of Kunikida the better. I love how this anime links humor with tragedy. |
May 19, 2016 12:04 PM
#73
To much talking, this and previous episodes were boring. |
May 19, 2016 12:10 PM
#74
Fai said: L-Ryoshi said: Damn. I knew the moment she showed up last episode that she would be trouble, and yet the way that this concluded, with her following her ex-lover's will and not actually having any reason in her motives besides that, just makes her a hollow empty shell who really served no purpose at all (specially since she didn't really dirty her own hands even to the very end). I can understand why Dazai would take this opportunity to make an object lesson out of the girl and the entire situation, but I still don't see the significance of killing her over bringing her to court and a fair trial. Giving her an instantaneous death does nothing for other victims of the Azure King (just the hacker kid). Plus, she's not even an extension of the Azure King in that sense. Picking up and following his ideals is one thing, but she ultimately failed at what she did, you would think that Dazai would've taken that into account when passing judgement on her crimes, no? Give her a fair trial and ship her to prison for life, whether or not she decides to end her own life after that should be down to her, and no one else should be made accomplice to such a decision. Somehow I feel sorry for hacker-boy for having to deal with this mess in the end. Because unlike Kunikida, Dazai is not an idealist. Considering he is a former mafia member, he very likely has killed people in the past for personal gain. Ending the situation this way was pragmatic for him as it absolves the agency from any kind of shade AND lets him get one in on Kunikida's idealism. And the solution providing a warning to Kunikida was a nice bonus. As scary as it is it is kind of classic mafioso move - not only you get rid of a problem without dirtying your own hands, but you also use the solution as deterrent to others. IT was efficient, it was calculated and it was ruthless - hell Dazai most likely expected it to play out this way as he was not that surprised that the hacker guy came there too. Sure it is unfair, unjust, horrifying and has cost the lives of two people, but for Dazai that was the only logical outcome for this. He is not bothered by the situation, because he is not an idealist nor is obsessed with right or wrong like Kunikida is. Yes, you're perfectly right, that was a pretty smart decision for a mafia member, and I know Dazai used to be one, but what shocked some people is merely the fact that the one who did all that was the same Dazai who not long before indirectly killing Sasaki, was making jokes with her, and who has been so far supposed to be the "good guy" giving wise and benevolent advice to the main character. And guess what? He will probably be making suicide jokes in the next episode. |
“Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
May 19, 2016 1:44 PM
#75
pkKodama said: Fai said: L-Ryoshi said: Damn. I knew the moment she showed up last episode that she would be trouble, and yet the way that this concluded, with her following her ex-lover's will and not actually having any reason in her motives besides that, just makes her a hollow empty shell who really served no purpose at all (specially since she didn't really dirty her own hands even to the very end). I can understand why Dazai would take this opportunity to make an object lesson out of the girl and the entire situation, but I still don't see the significance of killing her over bringing her to court and a fair trial. Giving her an instantaneous death does nothing for other victims of the Azure King (just the hacker kid). Plus, she's not even an extension of the Azure King in that sense. Picking up and following his ideals is one thing, but she ultimately failed at what she did, you would think that Dazai would've taken that into account when passing judgement on her crimes, no? Give her a fair trial and ship her to prison for life, whether or not she decides to end her own life after that should be down to her, and no one else should be made accomplice to such a decision. Somehow I feel sorry for hacker-boy for having to deal with this mess in the end. Because unlike Kunikida, Dazai is not an idealist. Considering he is a former mafia member, he very likely has killed people in the past for personal gain. Ending the situation this way was pragmatic for him as it absolves the agency from any kind of shade AND lets him get one in on Kunikida's idealism. And the solution providing a warning to Kunikida was a nice bonus. As scary as it is it is kind of classic mafioso move - not only you get rid of a problem without dirtying your own hands, but you also use the solution as deterrent to others. IT was efficient, it was calculated and it was ruthless - hell Dazai most likely expected it to play out this way as he was not that surprised that the hacker guy came there too. Sure it is unfair, unjust, horrifying and has cost the lives of two people, but for Dazai that was the only logical outcome for this. He is not bothered by the situation, because he is not an idealist nor is obsessed with right or wrong like Kunikida is. Yes, you're perfectly right, that was a pretty smart decision for a mafia member, and I know Dazai used to be one, but what shocked some people is merely the fact that the one who did all that was the same Dazai who not long before indirectly killing Sasaki, was making jokes with her, and who has been so far supposed to be the "good guy" giving wise and benevolent advice to the main character. And guess what? He will probably be making suicide jokes in the next episode. Character development, babeh! Dazai is a classic asshole, incredibly charming, very practical with a loose sense of ethics, and with a particular inclination for melodrama. Sasaki wanted the Agency to go down after all, and Kunikida is an awful caricature of an idealist basically. It's a lot more practical to let her die than to convert her back to goodness if that was actually possible. That being said, BSD hasn't been that good with character building tbh. Everyone feels very elementary/one-dimensional except for Dazai. A lot of the ep was meh, didn't care too much about the Azure Messenger thing. But the ending was wonderful. Dazai x Kunikida is an awesome pair, but in the end, they never revealed the real reason how they got partnered together. |
littlefujiMay 19, 2016 2:02 PM
May 19, 2016 2:15 PM
#76
May 19, 2016 2:40 PM
#77
Kunikida's waifu is now dead. Rokuzou is now dead. :( It was pretty obvious from the beginning that Sasaki was behind it all. You rarely meet a nice character like that without them revealing that they have underlying intentions. Oh well. Next week's character looks interesting. :D |
臭い- |
May 19, 2016 3:20 PM
#78
why does this already have fillers i doubt the manga is gonna run long the story seems like a under 100 chapter manga |
May 19, 2016 3:30 PM
#79
Really liked the way the episode played out but I especially loved the abrupt ending with simple credits at the end, it felt really fitting |
Get your shit straight Brenda |
May 19, 2016 3:55 PM
#80
Best episode so far. Really liked everything this one had to offer. I actually thought at first that the Azure King was going to be Doppo, but then I thought "no way, can't be him. May be it was someone close to him?" Then I thought perhaps it was his brother. I thought that because of his conversation with that hacker guy earlier who said you aren't my father. Which then made me think that Doppo was his uncle, and was trying to be like a father figure to him after this own father, the Azure King, died. Quite the theory, but by the end it appears I was pretty far off. That's ok, because I liked the way this one went anyway. I feel kind of crappy that the girl was the one who set all this up, and that Doppo and the hacker guy had to pay the price. But at least the hacker got his revenge. Actin was nice, soundtrack was good, and the development was great. Hoping they can keep it up. |
May 19, 2016 4:38 PM
#81
This was a nice wrap-up for this mini arc. I really liked the part when Dazai and Kunikida switched places. Um... Am I the only one who notices that Atsushi barely does anything? He just stands on the sidelines and makes faces occasionally. Hopefully that'll change at some point. Also, since this arc was apparently adapted from the 1st light novel, I wonder if they'll adapt from the others or just stick to the manga? |
Cross-country >>>>>>>>>>>> Every other sport |
May 19, 2016 4:46 PM
#82
DarthWeeaboo said: not a filler. Light novel adaptation. Light novels are canon and writen by mangaka.why does this already have fillers i doubt the manga is gonna run long the story seems like a under 100 chapter manga |
May 19, 2016 5:29 PM
#83
Loved that swap between Dazai and Kunikiza. The face of that guy that tried to fight Dazai but discovered that his powers don't work anymore ahah xD Epic! Damn...that ending, i hope that the hacker boy is still alive, he is very useful for their agency. I can't believe it was always her... But Dazai is right, he is always right. |
May 19, 2016 6:08 PM
#84
May 19, 2016 8:49 PM
#85
I've really liked this anime up until this episode. Of course the "filler episodes" were a bit annoying but looking past that it really does have potential to become great. However there's something of an issue with Dazai that people don't seem to notice. He is essentially every archtype combined into one character. Mysterious past, no morals, used to be with the bad guys, flirt, a troll, etc. I thought maybe I was being to critical of him until I saw this episode. At the ending, the episode kind of implied that Dazai had set up the whole confrontation with Sasaki, Kunikida, and Hacker boy whose name I can't remember at the moment. This means that he at least assumed someone would die, if not planned for it to occur. We can't just say that he had no idea this would happen as Dazai has proven himself to be fairly smart in the episode with Ranpo. So would it be fair for me to say Dazai planned the deaths of Sasaki and Hacker Boy? I know that many are saying this was to teach Kunikida a lesson but really? Were there really no other ways of going about this? Did Hacker boy really have to get shot? Did Sasaki have to die? They couldn't have taken her in for interrogation like they have with past criminals? Ok so I guess I can see how people might justify Sasaki's death, considering she was the Azure Messenger and all but Hacker Boy? Really? He already had a pretty screwed up childhood. Did he really have to die? Another thing I've seen people bring up is that this incident was to how Dazai, being an ex-Port Mafia member, has no morals or ethics. People are using this as reasoning to justify two unnecessary deaths. Dazai may be a bit screwed up in the head because of his past and all but in no way, shape, or form does that make acceptable to cause unnecessary death. Just because you're lacking in morals doesn't mean you get to play God and kill people unnecessarily. To me, these problems are blatantly obvious but that doesn't seem to be the case for the rest of the watchers. I was reading the comments on this episode (from multiple websites) and they basically went like: "Dazai is sooooo hot <3" "When will atsushi actually do something" "I knew it was her all along" "Did Hacker Boy really have to die" "Damn Dazai, the new Damn Daniel" (an actual comment, I swear) "Dazai was so smart for having figured that out" "That one scene with Dazai and Kunikida switching was so awesome" "When will we see more of suicidal Dazai" etc. Overall, the comments were very positive towards Dazai's actions in this episode, which I absolutely cannot agree with. Do the fans really not notice how morally incorrect his actions were or are they too busy fawning over him because he's cute? Overall, I have never been so angry at an anime episode. As of right now, all I see this anime doing is glorifying Dazai and almost sugar-coating the concept of unnecessary death. I really don't want to drop this anime but if it continues like this I probably will. If I was wrong at any point in this rant, can someone please explain to me what happened so I don't have to drop this? |
May 19, 2016 10:01 PM
#87
I kind of felt a weird sad vibe after finishing this episode, mostly because of those last minutes. |
May 19, 2016 11:41 PM
#88
May 20, 2016 1:57 AM
#89
Great episode, love the partnership and camaraderie between Kunikida and Dazai. |
May 20, 2016 3:14 AM
#90
CondemneDio said: Lol, that's some CSI shit right there, zooming into an eye to see a reflection... This show is so bad it hurts... http://img.memecdn.com/just-csi-and-those-awesome-cameras_o_555103.webp Back to old memes. |
May 20, 2016 4:28 AM
#91
timcanpy17 said: To me, these problems are blatantly obvious but that doesn't seem to be the case for the rest of the watchers. That's very unfair of you to say that, considering that several people here have already stated their aversion to what Dazai did. But then again, we don't know(except for the ones who read the manga and the light novel) what will happen in the next episode, maybe there's more than meets the eye and Dazai had a better reason for doing what he did. Btw, was it confirmed that Sasaki died? Perhaps she is still alive. So yeah, it's too soon to drop it just yet. |
ColtBuntlineMay 20, 2016 4:44 AM
“Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
May 20, 2016 6:52 AM
#92
Sometimes it granted in other original, that is, I mean enigmatic narration I like because it shows other sides of Kunikida and Dazai. enough interesting plot, good script, the final unfortunately is not great, because while it surprises with the appearance of the boy, on the other hand is obvious when shown the real culprit of what happened during the episode. Drawings and animations, very good. Ah! Finally, even the character of Akiko, is about to return, Yay ! |
May 20, 2016 7:26 AM
#93
Poor Kunikida, everyone are making fun of him :<. Good battle, Dazai and Kunikida are great team but i hope Atsushi will fight too. |
May 20, 2016 7:34 AM
#94
Well, this EP felt kinda weird. Saw that "twist" coming from a mile away as soon as they said it's ok that she listens to them talking about the case. Please don't hamatora me Bungou Stray Dogs. |
May 20, 2016 7:41 AM
#95
the azure king could be an interesting antagonist but eventually he passed away already (correct me if I'm wrong I didn't get this exactly). the shift between comedy and sobriety is a good principle used by this anime. it was fun to see how kunikida was about to fall for that girl named sasaki. any plot twist so far has been entertaining including the one with sasaki in this episode. to see how determined kunikida really is about his ideals was another interesting point of this episode. dat art style though. |
May 20, 2016 8:07 AM
#96
that ending was pretty good was a ok episdoe |
May 20, 2016 9:21 AM
#97
timcanpy17 said: I've really liked this anime up until this episode. Of course the "filler episodes" were a bit annoying but looking past that it really does have potential to become great. However there's something of an issue with Dazai that people don't seem to notice. He is essentially every archtype combined into one character. Mysterious past, no morals, used to be with the bad guys, flirt, a troll, etc. I thought maybe I was being to critical of him until I saw this episode. At the ending, the episode kind of implied that Dazai had set up the whole confrontation with Sasaki, Kunikida, and Hacker boy whose name I can't remember at the moment. This means that he at least assumed someone would die, if not planned for it to occur. We can't just say that he had no idea this would happen as Dazai has proven himself to be fairly smart in the episode with Ranpo. So would it be fair for me to say Dazai planned the deaths of Sasaki and Hacker Boy? I know that many are saying this was to teach Kunikida a lesson but really? Were there really no other ways of going about this? Did Hacker boy really have to get shot? Did Sasaki have to die? They couldn't have taken her in for interrogation like they have with past criminals? Ok so I guess I can see how people might justify Sasaki's death, considering she was the Azure Messenger and all but Hacker Boy? Really? He already had a pretty screwed up childhood. Did he really have to die? Another thing I've seen people bring up is that this incident was to how Dazai, being an ex-Port Mafia member, has no morals or ethics. People are using this as reasoning to justify two unnecessary deaths. Dazai may be a bit screwed up in the head because of his past and all but in no way, shape, or form does that make acceptable to cause unnecessary death. Just because you're lacking in morals doesn't mean you get to play God and kill people unnecessarily. To me, these problems are blatantly obvious but that doesn't seem to be the case for the rest of the watchers. I was reading the comments on this episode (from multiple websites) and they basically went like: "Dazai is sooooo hot <3" "When will atsushi actually do something" "I knew it was her all along" "Did Hacker Boy really have to die" "Damn Dazai, the new Damn Daniel" (an actual comment, I swear) "Dazai was so smart for having figured that out" "That one scene with Dazai and Kunikida switching was so awesome" "When will we see more of suicidal Dazai" etc. Overall, the comments were very positive towards Dazai's actions in this episode, which I absolutely cannot agree with. Do the fans really not notice how morally incorrect his actions were or are they too busy fawning over him because he's cute? Overall, I have never been so angry at an anime episode. As of right now, all I see this anime doing is glorifying Dazai and almost sugar-coating the concept of unnecessary death. I really don't want to drop this anime but if it continues like this I probably will. If I was wrong at any point in this rant, can someone please explain to me what happened so I don't have to drop this? While I somewhat defended Dazai's actions as indicative of his character earlier, I have to admit thinking about it for a day, I'm liking him less than I used to. Particularly because of the way he intentionally didn't do anything and just watch people his partner cared for get screwed over. He taught an effective lesson, yes, but an overly cruel one. |
May 20, 2016 11:02 AM
#98
Fai said: L-Ryoshi said: Damn. I knew the moment she showed up last episode that she would be trouble, and yet the way that this concluded, with her following her ex-lover's will and not actually having any reason in her motives besides that, just makes her a hollow empty shell who really served no purpose at all (specially since she didn't really dirty her own hands even to the very end). I can understand why Dazai would take this opportunity to make an object lesson out of the girl and the entire situation, but I still don't see the significance of killing her over bringing her to court and a fair trial. Giving her an instantaneous death does nothing for other victims of the Azure King (just the hacker kid). Plus, she's not even an extension of the Azure King in that sense. Picking up and following his ideals is one thing, but she ultimately failed at what she did, you would think that Dazai would've taken that into account when passing judgement on her crimes, no? Give her a fair trial and ship her to prison for life, whether or not she decides to end her own life after that should be down to her, and no one else should be made accomplice to such a decision. Somehow I feel sorry for hacker-boy for having to deal with this mess in the end. Because unlike Kunikida, Dazai is not an idealist. Considering he is a former mafia member, he very likely has killed people in the past for personal gain. Ending the situation this way was pragmatic for him as it absolves the agency from any kind of shade AND lets him get one in on Kunikida's idealism. And the solution providing a warning to Kunikida was a nice bonus. As scary as it is it is kind of classic mafioso move - not only you get rid of a problem without dirtying your own hands, but you also use the solution as deterrent to others. IT was efficient, it was calculated and it was ruthless - hell Dazai most likely expected it to play out this way as he was not that surprised that the hacker guy came there too. Sure it is unfair, unjust, horrifying and has cost the lives of two people, but for Dazai that was the only logical outcome for this. He is not bothered by the situation, because he is not an idealist nor is obsessed with right or wrong like Kunikida is. I'll add some things later because I don't have the time right now, but basically, everything you said + moral relativism. If the poeople you're answering to saw Rampo Kitan or any show of this kind, it's the same thing. Basically, Dazai was in the mafia, and now is among the "good guys", so he pretty much saw anything there is to see; in order words, murders on both sides, the only difference is that one side is "justified by the law"; the other isn't. Their exchange at the end of the episode is in my opinion the best part of the episode; Dazai isn't doing this only to piss Kunikida. But he wants to avoid him becoming a "twenty faces"; it's a lot easier to accept killing if you think tat "it was right" (because of ideals) than to accept it....... for what it is. "Justice is a weapon, it cannot save people". Kunikida could very well do things in the name of this "justice" he speaks of, despite said justice just being "society t says that x is allowed, y isn't", but in the end the result isn't different in any way. A dead person is a dead person. The tears and all of someone cannot reach him in any way. Even if what was done was "in the name of justice". It's a lot more difficult than "x being a better human being than y" because yes, Dazai is kind of a jerk sometimes, however he does have a point; if you decide that what you are doing is right because of your "ideals", what happens if your ideals are tainted, flawed, or not appropriate for the situation in some way? Kunikida could very well become the next "Azure messenger", as Dazai said, because of this black and white mentality. Once again there has been a lot of animes about this too, Rampo Kitan being the first one that came to my mind because of how the azure gu and twenty faces are similar. And no matter how "nice" and more humane Kuni may act now because of his "ideals", if they lead him astray, it'll just create the kind of disaster he his fighting against... Without him even realizing it. Also, the girl kind of wanted to die, too. She wanted to "be free" from everything caused by her husband's death. But that's another matter. It's a really interesting case of moral relativism and it's easy to say that "Dazai is the bad guy, Kuni is the good guy", but you need to take into account what may happen to the "good guy" in the future too, and te fact that Dazai probably never saw himself as the good guy to begin with. I know that many are saying this was to teach Kunikida a lesson but really? Were there really no other ways of going about this? given Kuni's reaction and his character as a whole, you should probably know the answer already. This isn't a nice thing that can be solved by saying "hey, Kuni, listen two seconds! Stop with your ideals and black and white thinking" "Ok sure Dazai, thank you!", and the girl probably wanted to die anyway given how she was. Not that it makes the whole situation a "good thing" in any way, but sometimes bad things need to happen for things to change, and that's a good way to use a bas situation. Pretty sure that the death of the hacker guy wasn't planned, though. Even if once again Dazai isn't NICE. He isn't supposed to be, and definitely wasn't here. But the whole idea is that he KNOWS he isn't. |
willardhwrightMay 20, 2016 11:20 AM
May 20, 2016 1:24 PM
#99
While it was quite predictable, it turned out pretty good in my opinion. Was wondering how they would handle the introduced characters, considering it's an anime original story. Turns out, they just killed them off. That works I guess. |
May 20, 2016 2:27 PM
#100
Didn't care for this 2-ep arc. Really want them to just get back to the manga. I mean, it looks like they will next week with Lemon-san and all, but at this rate I'm worried they're running out of time to properly represent the main source material. Will the G---- even show up in this cour? (Sorry, don't know how to create spoiler warnings :() |
Sandwich-donoMay 20, 2016 2:33 PM
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