Monogatari Series: Final Season
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BlackMalice said: It has been a long time since I watched the previous seasons but when did Shinobu separate from Araragi? SS Episode 19. When they are being chased by Darkness. |
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| When they got lost i totally thought Hachikuji might appear again.. sad it didnt happen. :( |
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AmMar-Sama said: Yeah, I understand your point and totally agree with it. Kizumonogatari will tell the story of how Araragi and Shinobu met & why the become connected and all that stuff relating them that we have been wondering about for years. We've known these characters for a while now and that's why we are much more interested and want to know their past. However, that's not the case here. Separating two arcs that take place directly one after the other, i.e. Shinobu Mail & Shinobu Time, doesn't seem to be of any use to me. I don't think it's that different- but maybe it's how you look at it. Ultimately it's all about making certain arcs more mysterious or interesting. I don't look at Shinobu Mail as just being what immediately follows Shinobu Time(although it is), but rather the story that will tell us what Gaen's big job was(delegated to Araragi during Onimonogatari)- the job that was as Araragi put it, 'the real troublesome thing(compared to the Darkness),' as mentioned in the epilogue of Oni, and the story of of what Araragi was so preoccupied with that he was absent for Tsubasa Tiger. All the skipping around really makes you wonder 'what on earth happens in Shinobu Mail,' much more so, in my opinion, than if all you knew was 'oh cool, next arc,' for lack of better phrasing. This kind of storytelling might not have any meaning in and of itself- so as far as the content of the story goes you're right, it doesn't have much use, but it makes for a different viewing experience, and I think it serves the series well. |
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Tacas said: AmMar-Sama said: From what I have seen in these two episodes it seems like this arc is supposed to be right after Onimonogatari?.. is that right? As far as I understand it, yes, it takes place directly after Onimonogatari/Shinobu Time where Gaen asks Koyomi to introduce Kanbaru to her. Also, at the same time, Nekomonogatari Shiro/Tsubasa Tiger happens. Now, what confuses me is that Shinobu stated that she fought a monkey together with the cat. Assuming the cat is Hanekawa, this would make no sense because she is busy taking a shower together with Senjougahara at this point in time. If the cat isn't Hanekawa, maybe it is the copied version? I don't know. In any case, this arc shows how Araragi fulfills his promise he made with Gaen and happens some months before the events we saw in Owarimonogatari V1 (Ougi Formula, Sodachi Riddle and Sodachi Lost). Wrong!. Remember when Hanekawa stayed over Araragi house and wore his pajamas. Black Hanekawa took over and then Shinobu appeared. Black Hanekawa offered to take her to Cram School. I'm sure they were attacked and went to the park. |
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mugi said: Tacas said: As far as I understand it, yes, it takes place directly after Onimonogatari/Shinobu Time where Gaen asks Koyomi to introduce Kanbaru to her. Also, at the same time, Nekomonogatari Shiro/Tsubasa Tiger happens. Now, what confuses me is that Shinobu stated that she fought a monkey together with the cat. Assuming the cat is Hanekawa, this would make no sense because she is busy taking a shower together with Senjougahara at this point in time. If the cat isn't Hanekawa, maybe it is the copied version? I don't know. In any case, this arc shows how Araragi fulfills his promise he made with Gaen and happens some months before the events we saw in Owarimonogatari V1 (Ougi Formula, Sodachi Riddle and Sodachi Lost). Kanbaru and Koyomi have a talk in the cram school while getting Shinobu talks with Hanekawa. The tiger attacks the school and Araragi and Kanbaru wander around for 3 hours. During that time, Shinobu and Hanekawa check out the cram school and then meet the oddity at some point. After that, they part ways and Shinobu ends up in the park where Koyomi and Araragi eventually end up, and Hanekawa goes back to the Araragi residence where she sleeps until the next morning and meets Episode and Gaen. 4hrs. They wandered for 1 hour then called Gaen. After which wondered 3hrs. |
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| I think this episode was truly awesome. I was hyped to see Shinobu back, though her scars made it apparent that she has lost a great deal of her healing abilities; Dangerous situation if you ask me. Her life can be in danger here and Araragi is no exception. The previous episode on which he lost his tooth proved it, Kanbaru failed to noticed it. Araragi shouldn't have lost that tooth. Their bond needs to be restored ASAP. I'm hyped to see Mr.Episode. I don't think he will appear till the end of part 3 / 6. Possibly episode 4. |
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| Animation error on Shaft this ep, at 7:36, after Ononoki removed her foot from Araragi's face, her sock is on, but in the next scene 8:28. she's not wearing them again |
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kaiki confirmed kill |
| Shinobu <3 |
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| Finally i can see Shinobu again. I thing i'm getting to like Ononoki, she is so funny in this episode XD. Gaen again.....  Well then, ITADAKIMASU!!!!!!! |
YizelTroNov 22, 2015 9:57 AM
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Zapredon said: Yay she back at last giving anime 10/10 just because of her.OrangeJP said: Shinobu!!! My favorite loli vampire finally appears :D  This. I could stop laughing at what Kanbaru was saying and doing |
| SHINOBU IS BACK! Pretty much sums up this episode. And Kanbaru is still a relentless pervert. 64SuperNintendo said: Shinobu's back. Too bad I don't get overly excited about little girls in an anime. So far, this arc is playing out pretty much like every other arc: repetitive dialogue consisting pretty much solely of exposition. 2/5 Maybe because every post you make about Monogatari is fucking retarded? Notice how you say "my posts"...because you already know you spew shit to be an attention seeking edgelord. You watch the show religiously every week yet still feel the need to shit post about it. Calling you out on your nonsense isn't inconsiderate or derailing. Your comments in general are the ones that are inconsiderate since you are the only one complaining. Maybe if you actually had a constructive argument about what you didn't like. "oh I hate dialogue, exposition, and monologues" when watching a show that is about dialogue, exposition, and monologues isn't an argument, it's stupidity. I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if you watched Naruto every week, and then said "this show is so repetitive...nothing but fighting and ninjas". |
silvercover said: kaiki confirmed kill Hahahaha... no. |
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Jonesy974 said: please dont quote that thing we ignore it till it leaves us alone |
Jonesy974 said: SHINOBU IS BACK! Pretty much sums up this episode. And Kanbaru is still a relentless pervert. 64SuperNintendo said: Shinobu's back. Too bad I don't get overly excited about little girls in an anime. So far, this arc is playing out pretty much like every other arc: repetitive dialogue consisting pretty much solely of exposition. 2/5 Maybe because every post you make about Monogatari is fucking retarded? Notice how you say "my posts"...because you already know you spew shit to be an attention seeking edgelord. You watch the show religiously every week yet still feel the need to shit post about it. Calling you out on your nonsense isn't inconsiderate or derailing. Your comments in general are the ones that are inconsiderate since you are the only one complaining. Maybe if you actually had a constructive argument about what you didn't like. "oh I hate dialogue, exposition, and monologues" when watching a show that is about dialogue, exposition, and monologues isn't an argument, it's stupidity. I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if you watched Naruto every week, and then said "this show is so repetitive...nothing but fighting and ninjas". -sigh- moodie said: Jonesy974 said: please dont quote that thing we ignore it till it leaves us alone Yeah, exactly. Thank you. |
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Jonesy974 said: SHINOBU IS BACK! Pretty much sums up this episode. And Kanbaru is still a relentless pervert. 64SuperNintendo said: Shinobu's back. Too bad I don't get overly excited about little girls in an anime. So far, this arc is playing out pretty much like every other arc: repetitive dialogue consisting pretty much solely of exposition. 2/5 Maybe because every post you make about Monogatari is fucking retarded? Notice how you say "my posts"...because you already know you spew shit to be an attention seeking edgelord. You watch the show religiously every week yet still feel the need to shit post about it. Calling you out on your nonsense isn't inconsiderate or derailing. Your comments in general are the ones that are inconsiderate since you are the only one complaining. Maybe if you actually had a constructive argument about what you didn't like. "oh I hate dialogue, exposition, and monologues" when watching a show that is about dialogue, exposition, and monologues isn't an argument, it's stupidity. I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if you watched Naruto every week, and then said "this show is so repetitive...nothing but fighting and ninjas". But he was right, this chapter was not good. They talked a lot about irrelevant things, the last chapter was maybe even worse |
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antonn said:  I wish there was some way to turn this into a small emoticon I can use anywhere lol. |
weewah said: this is my try of it not the best..will think of way to remove background.antonn said: I wish there was some way to turn this into a small emoticon I can use anywhere lol.  |
Darkrazor22Nov 23, 2015 1:02 AM
| Well, to me at least, this episode was pretty good, but I think I'm already a Monogatari fangirl so don't me to serious haha. |
| Ononoki is like a life-size stuff toy... Dem "MESHIAGARE"s XD So glad that best girl is back. |
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OrangeJP said: Shinobu!!! My favorite loli vampire finally appears :D +1, gotta love Kanbaru's reaction on her And also the foot fetish in this episode is too stronk So there's an apparition that steals the abilities of an apparation huh since the lost snail and the monkey are pretty much explained in this ep. |
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| Kanbaru so far is my favorite character in owari, her antics are just epic :D |
| Fun episode but this fanservice is getting a little excessive... I mean, we delving into fetishes now? I watch this for the plot (no Kappa) and its a liiiittle bit insulting that shaft treats the entirety of their fanbase as a bunch of thirsty fuccbois. |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
Infatuate said: is this ur first time watching a shaft series? let alone a gatari series?Fun episode but this fanservice is getting a little excessive... I mean, we delving into fetishes now? I watch this for the plot (no Kappa) and its a liiiittle bit insulting that shaft treats the entirety of their fanbase as a bunch of thirsty fuccbois. |
| Shinobu is finally here....now I can fully enjoy this! |
| this was quite interesting. pretty interesting ep. I loved it. |
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rsc-pl said: That translation sucks very bad. I will rematch this series when good fansubs will be out for sure. My Japanese is not good enough for watching raw (especially if it comes to series like Monogatari), but I can hear that this translation is just extremely bad. Oh Araragi, you devil boy. And why the hell they are saying lost cow. Cow was a wordplay only, but it was a SNAIL (蝸牛). True, but the dude we saw resembled lot of a cow. True it were a snail, but lost cow is also used in the Blue Ray version of Bakemonogatari that I am currently watching. And imo they have done a great translation though I can't judge since my Japanese knowledge suck. :P But I think both of them refers to the same thing. That's my point here. :) |
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Vindstot said: Quite a few people seem to be confused about the Cat that was with Shinobu. To clarify, or more like spoil, it was Black Hanekawa. Prrgify said: Looks like there is an apparation faking other apparitions, which explains why Gaen asked which one it was, and why Gaen thought it was the easiest one (since Hachikuji's case was the easiest on Bakemonogatari). I think whether Hachikuji's case was the easiest or not has nothing to do with why Gaen guessed it right. She simply reasoned that Araragi would have the leisure to call her only when he'd have encountered the Snail. Nenergy said: can somebody please make me a gif of Kanbaru being excited over Shinobu's cuteness? Ougi finally returns.. Well, on the endcard that is.  pretty kawaii picture. it's hard to imagine Ougi-chan can be so kawaii and pretty when she is usually very creepy. LOL |
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moodie said: Infatuate said: is this ur first time watching a shaft series? let alone a gatari series?Fun episode but this fanservice is getting a little excessive... I mean, we delving into fetishes now? I watch this for the plot (no Kappa) and its a liiiittle bit insulting that shaft treats the entirety of their fanbase as a bunch of thirsty fuccbois. No, I've watched all previous seasons including toothbrush scene, which didn't bother me at all (if anything I found it comical). It's just that... idk, I guess I've always considered foot fetish kinda weird, and in this particular occasion I felt it was out of place given the sort of serious atmosphere. |
I don't watch as much anime as before... |
| Shinobu is just too cute. Also that Kanbaru's reaction. Love this episode. |
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| Shinobu's voice slightly (or maybe thats just me) but nice ep and nice reactions lol |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
moodie said: Jonesy974 said: please dont quote that thing we ignore it till it leaves us alone If Charlie Sheen taught me anything it's that you cant cure HIV. |
64SuperNintendo said: Jonesy974 said: SHINOBU IS BACK! Pretty much sums up this episode. And Kanbaru is still a relentless pervert. Maybe because every post you make about Monogatari is fucking retarded? Notice how you say "my posts"...because you already know you spew shit to be an attention seeking edgelord. You watch the show religiously every week yet still feel the need to shit post about it. Calling you out on your nonsense isn't inconsiderate or derailing. Your comments in general are the ones that are inconsiderate since you are the only one complaining. Maybe if you actually had a constructive argument about what you didn't like. "oh I hate dialogue, exposition, and monologues" when watching a show that is about dialogue, exposition, and monologues isn't an argument, it's stupidity. I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if you watched Naruto every week, and then said "this show is so repetitive...nothing but fighting and ninjas". -sigh- If you don't care whether or not you get attention, then why would you comment at all? Then you could avoid the attention altogether. Nobody said people cant have a negative opinion of a show, but when your opinion is stupid, then it's worth pointing out. You want to hate a character(s)? Go ahead. Want to dislike a particular storyline? Perfectly ok. Dislike the way parts were executed? Fine and dandy. But again, hating on the way a show is doing dialogue (the way it has always don't dialogue, and complaining about it every single week is retarded. If anyone is violating rules it'd be you, lol. I simply refuted your bad opinion about this episode in this episode discussion. I wasn't engaging in conversation with you, you chose to respond to me. Just the fact that you admit that you're only watching this for completion, and that you claim there has been no significant character development means you never should've started this series, period. Maybe you just cant follow a non-linear storyline? If you can actually sit there and say that since the beginning there has been no growth in the characters then you were never truly watching the show. Oh, and that ignore feature works both ways, champ. |
mangalicker94 said: rsc-pl said: That translation sucks very bad. I will rematch this series when good fansubs will be out for sure. My Japanese is not good enough for watching raw (especially if it comes to series like Monogatari), but I can hear that this translation is just extremely bad. Oh Araragi, you devil boy. And why the hell they are saying lost cow. Cow was a wordplay only, but it was a SNAIL (蝸牛). True, but the dude we saw resembled lot of a cow. True it were a snail, but lost cow is also used in the Blue Ray version of Bakemonogatari that I am currently watching. And imo they have done a great translation though I can't judge since my Japanese knowledge suck. :P But I think both of them refers to the same thing. That's my point here. :) Didn't they mention something back in Bake that the apparition the snail, but the actual person who is lost the "lost cow"? Because back in Bake, Mayoi was both the Snail and the Lost Cow if I'm remembering that right. Pretty sure Devil Boy is accurate too. IIRC Ononoki is using a play on words; calling him "onii-san" (like a big brother) but saying it "oni (devil) -san. |
Jonesy974 said: If you don't care whether or not you get attention, then why would you comment at all? Then you could avoid the attention altogether. Nobody said people cant have a negative opinion of a show, but when your opinion is stupid, then it's worth pointing out. You want to hate a character(s)? Go ahead. Want to dislike a particular storyline? Perfectly ok. Dislike the way parts were executed? Fine and dandy. But again, hating on the way a show is doing dialogue (the way it has always don't dialogue, and complaining about it every single week is retarded. If anyone is violating rules it'd be you, lol. I simply refuted your bad opinion about this episode in this episode discussion. I wasn't engaging in conversation with you, you chose to respond to me. Just the fact that you admit that you're only watching this for completion, and that you claim there has been no significant character development means you never should've started this series, period. Maybe you just cant follow a non-linear storyline? If you can actually sit there and say that since the beginning there has been no growth in the characters then you were never truly watching the show. Oh, and that ignore feature works both ways, champ. To say my opinion? Which is what the episode discussion threads are for? At this point, the only one giving me attention is you. I say my thoughts on a show regardless of its popularity. Might as well ask everyone else on every single discussion thread for any show, including infamous ones like Pupa, why they post there. Also, you're the first one who replied to me in the first place. I don't always complain about the dialogue, sometimes I talk about other things and even bring up moments that I liked. I don't even hate the show anyway, I just find it more dull than outright bad. And I don't have any trouble following non-linear stories at all. In fact, Baccano is one of my favorites. Alright, just humor me for a moment and tell me, how much have the characters been developed? Just how different are they now than in the beginning? It's an honest question, just tell me and I might reconsider my opinion on Monogatari. |
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64SuperNintendo said: Alright, just humor me for a moment and tell me, how much have the characters been developed? Just how different are they now than in the beginning? It's an honest question, just tell me and I might reconsider my opinion on Monogatari. Araragi - The boy who went from running to Meme to help solve all of his problems to the guy who has to think for himself and bear the burdens of all of his friends and their apparitions. Senjyogahara - The cold, emotionally scarred tsundere, who went from trusting nobody, to coming to terms with her past, opening up to Araragi and Tsubasa, and becoming warmer and more loyal. Tsubasa - The soft spoken girl who went from bottling up her emotions, and passing her unwanted traits onto other people; often enough that she created two apparitions. Who is now someone that is steadfast, accepts both the good and bad in her life and gains a bit of humility. Kaiki - A con artist who was willing to trick people with wordplay and scams to make money and get any kind of benefits from gullible people. He may have remained closed off and still generally acts the same, but even his inner actions started changing and he started doing things even without gaining anything beneficial. He somewhat looked over Kanbarau, because he promised her mother he'd look out for her. He destroyed the cult that fucked over Senjougahara's mother even though he didn't gain anything from it, and he stopped Nadeko only because he justified it as "protecting Kanbaru". Shinobu went from a depressed and speechless vampire girl, to someone who was super talkative, intelligent, and assertive after she makes up with Araragi. I could go on but these were the most prominent examples. |
| Most of the above is why I largely consider this franchise and it's fanbase a joke. How can you take a fanbase so completely intolerant towards any sort of criticism and not parroting only positive opinions seriously. I mean they value shitposts that are positive towards the series more than a unique opinion that is critical and are always constantly harassing people that dare to do it. How do you defend let alone accept that? I don't think it's possible. Anyway stepping out again. Have fun 64SuperNintendo, though if you want some friendly advice based on experience you a) definitely shouldn't care what these people have to say cause their position on the franchise and any sort of criticism is fucked up right from the get go and they are only capable of seeing things their way and b) what you are doing in posting your critical opinion in threads for a franchise like this one isn't worth it in the slightest cause you're never going to get anywhere with these people because of a) and just end up pissing each other off. No matter what you say or how persuasive and diplomatic you try to be they will never accept what you have to say unless you flat out lie to them about how you feel and only praise the show and say good things about it. Pretty fucked up, but those are pretty much your options. |
PeacingOutNov 26, 2015 9:01 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: How can you take a fanbase so completely intolerant towards any sort of criticism and not parroting only positive opinions seriously. The guy never gave any "constructive criticism" in the first place |
Raneer said: The guy never gave any "constructive criticism" in the first place What should I say for it to be constructive? silvercover said: also the moment some guy posts their opinion, expect to be challenged. and if your posting a hate comment in a place where people like it? you should expect to be called out. one of the other problems with the dude is he specifically says "please dont reply to this" which makes it sound like he has a special position dictating that no one is allowed to try to convince him, which makes him just as bad as fans who dont listen to criticism. No, what I meant was to not reply in this thread because doing so would derail the thread, which is what is happening right now, and to comment on my profile or PM me instead. Could everyone please just stick to commenting on profiles or PMing from now on to talk about this, and go back to using this thread to actually discuss the episode? |
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| Araragi getting kicked by Ononoki was hilarious. But best grill finally reappears! |
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| It was nice seeing Shinobu again. 4/5. |
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| Araragi did not have a footprint on his face while they were walking... |
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| Shinobu appears :3 Pretty decent development of this arc, let's see what's next. |
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| good episode. the order of events is quite confusing to me. So Onimonogatari just happened, considering Araragi says that Hachikuji isn;t around anymore...Tsubasa Tiger is also occurring at the moment, with Kanbaru responding to Araragi's text to meet at the cram school which is then burned down. However, at the beginning of Tsubasa Tiger, Hanekawa runs into Hachikuji, so is it that Onimonogatari and the whole ordeal with the darkness happened during one of the earlier nights of Tsubasa Tiger? Shinobu mentions the darkness in this episode as well. Can anyone clarify? |
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