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Feb 3, 2015 1:49 PM
#51
surfboard_ said: CookingPriest said: Class s pressure in japan is about homophobia and that is the focus of the herd mentality this show explores. Just how big is homophobia in Japan? Culturally, its a nation that accepted homossexual activities even before Class S genre started to flourish. I think that transgender people suffers a lot more than homossexuals. I'm not a specialist on this matter, thats why I'm asking you. Just a few years ago it was traditional for homosexual people to marry and pretend to be straight so they don't get harassed. Its getting better nowadays with quite a few famous singers and politicians coming out of the closet but in terms of teenagers and especially otaku it is still bullying-galore. They are looking better at gay foreigners but teenagers are in for harassment due to concepts that their job is to marry and have kids. Class S romance originally started as a genre made to empower gay people and allow them to have literature/etc representing their sexuality. But the common otaku have twisted the genre equating "bicurious" as okay but outright lesbian/gay as not okay(notice how many otaku-pandering yuri shows happen in highschool and end BEFORE the characters reach adolescence with absolutely no showcase of them actually retaining their sexuality after growing up). Its very...strange. For example celebrities who come out as gay would have restrictions by managers and companies in terms of explicit photoshoots. It is not outright "homophobia" but more like bullying of non-straight people and expectations of them being hetero-normative. A tl;dr version would be: Japan is becoming more accepting of homosexual people BUT those of their own who "come out of closet" usually get harassed. Especially in high-school environments or with any sort of otaku involvement. This is common japanese stuff: Also a good read: http://iglhrc.org/content/un-urges-end-discrimination-against-lgbt-individuals-japan . The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC), Gay Japan News, Kyosei Net, and Rainbow Action, had issued a report, about discrimination against the LGBT community in employment, housing, social security, health care and education. “Japanese lesbians and transgender individuals have reported sexual harassment by male co-workers, which is directly linked to social norms about how women and men ‘should’ behave,” “The discriminatory language of rape and sexual harassment laws, and the discriminatory implementation of the domestic violence law denies LBT people safety, access to redress, and remedies for the violence they experience, Same sex couples in Japan are excluded from public housing. Japan’s Prevention of Spousal Violence law is applicable to unmarried heterosexual couples but courts are unwilling to apply it to same sex couples. Japanese gender recognition law mandates that transgender people who undergo sex reassignment surgery (SRS) and wish to marry must find new partners of the opposite sex and not remain with their partners prior to surgery. Male to female transgender individuals are required to be sterilized in order to apply for SRS, thus taking away their right to human dignity and bodily autonomy. It can go as ridiculous as gay people being BANNED from donating blood. |
AhenshihaelFeb 3, 2015 1:59 PM
Feb 3, 2015 4:26 PM
#52
Ginko's delusions were hilarious. She's growing on me a lot now. Pleakley said: Well, I finally catch up on this series and I end up on a cliffhanger. Now, I can't "bear" to wait for the next episode! I make no apologies for that pun. Is that you, Teddie? |
Feb 3, 2015 4:29 PM
#53
Man, this episode! So many cute scenes with Ginko, so adorable! But it was really hard to see Kureha denying everything else around her due to the trauma she suffered in relation to Sumika. Also, Ginko's trial was super interesting. And THAT ENDING. I literally screamed here, I was not expecting that AT ALL. WHAT A SHOCK, KUMA SHOCK. (btw, I'm just loving the threads on this show, it's so interesting to read your guys opinion's about it. also, it's a pretty nice insight I'm getting on how gay/lesbian's relationships are perceived in japanese media.) |
Feb 3, 2015 4:48 PM
#54
You know the nice thing about this show, by now the Kuma Shock thing would have been annoying anywhere else, but so far every time they have used it, it actually has been followed by a "shocking" scene. Plus, notice that Sumika knew that she was about to disappear giving Kureha the card early? Anyone want to lay odds on Sumika being the final "boss" or is that "bear"? As for this is about "homophobia", still not buying it, because new girl is after Kureha as well (she probably thinks she will win Kureha's love by killing the bears she thinks ate Sumika). As far as I can tell everyone is a Yuri and they all want to eat Kureha, far from being the point, it is actually the "state of nature". Though new girl will be the test because she is the first that doesn't explicitly have Yuri in her name (but that would be a "shock" now, wouldn't it :-). Plus the bears actually had an army. Call me homophobic, but if homosexuals organized into an army and started to attack heteros without provocation (and note, nothing has been said about the humans giving the bears reason after they rained down on earth - indeed quite the opposite, bears eat people because they are bears), and then if after the war was over, infiltrator homosexuals slipped through the front lines and started eating children, you sort of, kind of, could understand why the heteros wouldn't like them..... So no, I don't think the show is operating on the phobic level, but still is on the love level (Ginko has just been revealed to be about lust, though there is still hope for her). I said this to someone else, but I also think the Yuri allusions are too strong for this show to be actually about homosexual love. Shows like Aoi Hana or Sasameki that were honestly about homosexual love (as opposed to young girl fascination) didn't need all the allusions because they actually were depicting true homosexual love on the screen. This show is using the concept of yuri, which may or may not actually be sexual, to tell people about love in general, both hetero and homo. |
Feb 3, 2015 4:51 PM
#55
How the hell did the pre-orders drop after the fantastic episode 4? I'm really worried about this whole thing. I can't imagine Ikuhara actually explaining specifically what he's trying to tell just because some idiots don't have the patience to watch everything and think about the show's meaning. I seriously hope this won't make them change later episodes. I don't think we'll have to worry much about that, since there's no way it can be done this late into the series, but still. Also, I guess any hope I had that this could be a split-cour is now gone. Thanks, Japan. Pabilsag said: Midnight? What? Are they really showing Anime for the first time ever in TV after midnight? That would be insane... Are they classifying this as some kind of porn or what... I thought people in Japan are more easygoing than the rest of the world when it comes to things like that... I seriously can't tell if you're joking, but all anime always air around midnight. The only exception are kids anime (such as Yu-Gi-Oh and Precure) and some shounen (such as Naruto and Nanatsu no Taizai). |
Feb 3, 2015 5:11 PM
#56
CookingPriest said: It can go as ridiculous as gay people being BANNED from donating blood. Gay people being banned from donating blood is not homophobia but for medical reasons. It is because of the fact that AIDS in the west established itself within the gay community so the incidence of HIV is much higher. And while it might not seem politically correct to say it but promiscuity in gay groups is higher than hetero groups. Transmission rates being much higher for anal sex over vaginal don't help either! New Zealand has legal gay marriage yet will not accept blood from openly gay individuals. It's just about managing medical risks. There's also other oddies blood acceptance such as not accepting blood from people who lived in the UK during the 1980's due the the risk of BSE. That doesn't mean we're discriminating against english! |
scruffykiwiFeb 3, 2015 5:31 PM
Feb 3, 2015 5:30 PM
#57
yoosergio asked: How the hell did the pre-orders drop after the fantastic episode 4? I don't know. But they have gone up to 920 points since Episode 5 aired in Tokyo. (I am talking about the Amazon Stalker points for Volume 1 of the Blu-ray.) So they have regained some of the ground that was lost after Episode 4 aired. yoosergio said: I guess any hope I had that this could be a split-cour is now gone. It is nearly impossible to imagine, with the Amazon stalker points being so abysmally low. But I suppose that there is an off chance that the studio might continue to a second cour on a money-losing basis, since there is so much prestige in doing a series directed by Ikuhara. It has been known to happen. yoosergio also said: I seriously hope this won't make them change later episodes. I don't think we'll have to worry much about that, since there's no way it can be done this late into the series, but still. I think it is plausible for them to make significant changes, if I understand the animation process correctly. It basically depends on how hard the staff can be made to work. Possibly there is specific stuff that is offending Japanese audiences which can easily be changed. But at this point I have not seen any specific comment about what the problem might be. However, having their Twitter account suspended suggests that it was something pretty serious. yoosergio finally said: I'm really worried about this whole thing. Based on the signs, it looks horrific. |
okanaganFeb 3, 2015 5:50 PM
Feb 3, 2015 5:36 PM
#58
CookingPriest said: It can go as ridiculous as gay people being BANNED from donating blood. Back in the 80's/90's there was a huge scandal in Japan where people were infected with AIDS because the Japanese government wouldn't import devices from a US company that could eliminate the virus from blood because the government wanted to protect Japanese manufacturers. 2,000 or so people were infected and there was an outcry about this. Naturally the Japanese government didn't punish the bureaucrats, doctors, or manufacturers who were responsible (there were some token arrests, but ultimately no one was really punished), but because the government wanted to appear to be "protecting the Japanese blood supply", there was a flurry of banning (in addition to the one above, they also banned all foreign sourced blood regardless of whether it was treated or not). That the government does this is one of the more detestable things about Japan (yes, all countries do this, but the Japanese take it to the extreme (as they do most things good and bad)). As for Homophobia in Japan, weird subject. Overall, probably until 20 years ago, Japan was more tolerant of homosexuals than the West was. Several famous Americans moved to Japan specifically for this reason. But this I would say primarily applies to certain cultural/economic niches. But still, even in rural Japan, it was tolerated as long as the person knew the proper way to act. This is hard to explain but in Japan there is a proper way to act for everyone, and as long as you fit into a niche, you are fine, but if you are the nail that stands up, then for whatever reason you stand up, you will be smashed down (truly the invisible storm). This has changed a lot recently, but Japan is still pretty much a herd country. In mainstream Japan, most Japanese are not too keen on homosexuality not because they think it is immoral, but rather because in Japan marrying and having kids is too important. For most of Japanese history the vast majority of the population (and this includes up until 80 years ago) was threatened by starvation, so having an extensive family network was essential for the welfare of the family. Having your eldest child (of either gender) bring someone into the family and then having children to perpetuate the family, or marrying younger siblings to other families in other regions so you could rely on them during bad times, was the difference between life and death. Anything that got in the way of this (including marrying foreigners) was disliked. Of course if your child had talent, and this talent brought in money, than anything was hunky dory, but for normals. Not so much. This doesn't apply only to homosexuality either, lots of things aren't acceptable in Japan, and running against it generally will get one ostracized. |
Takuan_SohoFeb 3, 2015 5:45 PM
Feb 3, 2015 6:07 PM
#59
okanagan said: However, having their Twitter account suspended suggests that it was something pretty serious That's a part I don't understand. Did they close it themselves or did Twitter close it? Why did that happen? It has to be just some kind of error, right? It's not like they would suspend their account just because people don't understand what is happening on the show. |
Feb 3, 2015 6:15 PM
#60
yoosergio said: That's a part I don't understand. Did they close it themselves or did Twitter close it? Why did that happen? It has to be just some kind of error, right? It's not like they would suspend their account just because people don't understand what is happening on the show. I have not the slightest clue. In any case, here is where it normally always was: http://twitter.com/yurikuma_anime You can see the error message for yourself. What it says is, Account suspended The profile you are trying to view has been suspended. To return to your home timeline, click here. They did mention something about the official Twitter account for Yurikuma in the recent news story on DMM News. I should go back and try to see what their precise wording was. Ikuhara himelf pointed out that news story in a tweet yesterday from his own personal Twitter account: http://twitter.com/ikuni_noise For years I have been following many Twitter accounts for anime series as well as individual directors and voice performers, and I have never seen anything like this. |
okanaganFeb 3, 2015 6:23 PM
Feb 3, 2015 6:32 PM
#61
This show is rather different than what I first anticipated. Basically, it's far better than I thought I'd be! |
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Feb 3, 2015 6:36 PM
#62
Takuan_Soho said: Plus the bears actually had an army. Call me homophobic, but if homosexuals organized into an army and started to attack heteros without provocation (and note, nothing has been said about the humans giving the bears reason after they rained down on earth - indeed quite the opposite, bears eat people because they are bears), and then if after the war was over, infiltrator homosexuals slipped through the front lines and started eating children, you sort of, kind of, could understand why the heteros wouldn't like them..... We don't know yet if the bears started the war first, and we see that Ginko, Kureha and her mom take pictures together. The bear-human situation might not be as bad as people on the human side of the wall make of it. |
Feb 3, 2015 6:38 PM
#63
yoosergio said: I guess any hope I had that this could be a split-cour is now gone. Not to be too pedantic, but a split cour is when a show is shown relatively close, usually on one cour, off one, then on one. There was never any chance for a split cour because pre-production would have already been completed for both cours even before this show aired. What you meant is a second season or cour. And for those, even if the show is a hit, it will generally take a year or two for everything to get organized (NHK shows can turn them faster, but the trade off is usually cheaper art as Log Horizon shows) okanagan said: But I suppose that there is an off chance that the studio might continue to a second cour on a money-losing basis, since there is so much prestige in doing a series directed by Ikuhara. It has been known to happen. True, but very unlikely. Not because of the success or lack of, but because the manga is tied to the animation, not the other way around. Most likely this IS the story and both will end together and it was always going to be one cour. Not that I am sad by this, I love that Japanese shows actually end. Nothing beats a perfect conclusion when the story wasn't dragged out. This show is racing towards a climax, there are only so many Kuma shocks a body can take (and we have at least 3 more to my count), and Kureha's decision is the climax of the show. okanagan said: I think it is plausible for them to make significant changes, if I understand the animation process correctly. It basically depends on how hard the staff can be made to work. True but I doubt it in this case. The writer is the director, and he will take this to the end. It is his vision. And don't be too focused on disc sales, this has a manga, it is being broadcast on several networks, there are also so many potential tie ins to this show (including the fashion) that this project could still make money in the end. okanagan said: Possibly there is specific stuff that is offending Japanese audiences which can easily be changed. But at this point I have not seen any specific comment about what the problem might be. I doubt that the Japanese are "offended" by the show. It's just that this is a very artistic show whose initial complexity and seeming randomness probably turned people off. This types of shows normally do 2-3K disk sales in the end (Jinrui, Uchouten Kazoku, and Kyousougiga are all examples of brilliant shows that didn't sell too many discs), granted Yurikuma isn't even tracking to do that, but if the show proves that there is more to it then "randomness for randomness" sake, I bet it will end in that range. okanagan said: However, having their Twitter account suspended suggests that it was something pretty serious. If only, this world is made for the perpetually offended. One person probably screamed "what about the children" and the corporate types went crazy. So not too late to give up hope for good sales. But don't expect a second season. Hell even Nausicaa never got a sequel and the movie only touched a very small portion of Miyazaki's vision. |
Takuan_SohoFeb 3, 2015 6:43 PM
Feb 3, 2015 6:55 PM
#64
juventus95 said: We don't know yet if the bears started the war first, and we see that Ginko, Kureha and her mom take pictures together. The bear-human situation might not be as bad as people on the human side of the wall make of it. Maybe not, but remember that Kureha met Ginko after she saved Ginko when she was wounded by the battle so again, this points more to the human side being better than the bear side (together with the fact that it was said that it was just bearish nature that bears ate humans). But, I should stress that I am not saying that my interpretation is the correct one, rather that from what we have been shown I just think the story is saying something else and that the others making their claims don't have the substance from the show to prove their arguments. That then said, if I wanted to put on my devil's advocate horns I would say that the best argument for this being a show against homophobia doesn't come from the human side, but rather the bear side. Ginko's love for Kureha would be the metaphor for "the Love that not speaketh its name", she has become a "bear criminal" for her actions, and the bear community that is sitting in judgement over her to see if her love is pure (with the strong hint that if she is ever found guilty it is Ginko who will die). So my argument isn't against whether this show is about homophobia, but rather I just think the people making the argument don't have the stuff to back up their argument. I argue against bad arguments regardless of what they are! That, again, all said, this show has been wonderfully delicious regardless of where it ends up. Growl Growl. |
Feb 3, 2015 8:09 PM
#65
Man, I really like this show, but it wears me out. There's just so much to process. I'll watch an episode, really try to get my head around it, think I've done a pretty good job, and then I'll go and read all sorts of stuff online about other peoples' thoughts and insights and realize there's a ton that I completely missed. It's both really exciting and really frustrating. This is definitely a show where re-watches will be very worthwhile (and I've watched each episode at least twice anyways!). That said, I thought this episode was really good, and Ginko's fantasies were really friggin' funny! I was surprised that Kureha started being friendly with her classmates, when she completely rejected Ginko and Lulu. I don't know if it's intentional, but to me it seemed telling regarding how people gravitate toward familiarity, even if they don't necessarily like said familiarity. Alternatively, it could be because, while Ginko and Lulu have been trying to befriend Kureha, it's always been about what they wanted from her, whereas when her classmates did it, even thought it's ultimately shown to be manipulative, they approached Kureha from the angle of Sumika, which is pretty much the only thing she cares about at this point. I wonder what the letter from Sumika says. All those flashback scenes with her were really ominous. They made me think back to the scene from the first episode where Kureha was running around during lunchtime trying to find her that seemed to indicate that things with Sumika might not be what they seemed on the surface. Takuan_Soho said: Maybe not, but remember that Kureha met Ginko after she saved Ginko when she was wounded by the battle so again, this points more to the human side being better than the bear side (together with the fact that it was said that it was just bearish nature that bears ate humans). I think it's probably important that, when it showed the aftermath of a battle/war, it was all bears (there were no humans who were lying dead on the ground), and they were completely decimated. Going back to the initial description in ep. 1 of when the Wall of Severance was first built, and how it was described as a battle, it seems like a very one-sided fight, with the humans completely overpowering the bears. |
Feb 3, 2015 8:31 PM
#66
Good episode, what a shocking ending |
Feb 3, 2015 9:29 PM
#67
Sejin said: I think it's probably important that, when it showed the aftermath of a battle/war, it was all bears (there were no humans who were lying dead on the ground), and they were completely decimated. Going back to the initial description in ep. 1 of when the Wall of Severance was first built, and how it was described as a battle, it seems like a very one-sided fight, with the humans completely overpowering the bears. Went back and watched the scene. Originally I had thought that a couple of the bodies were big enough for humans, but on watching it again looking with your suggestion in mind, you could very well be right. As I said, I could be wrong on my interpretation, but that is what makes this show good, there is not definitive interpretation yet. |
Feb 3, 2015 9:44 PM
#68
I understand this anime more as i watch it x). Im assuming the invisible storm as people who wont accept class S relationship. (makes me easier to understand the story that way) and why Ginko chose to eat humans rather than being invisible :D dat end tho :/ Kureha! Go and save Ginko dammit! |
Feb 4, 2015 1:03 AM
#70
it's sexy shabadadu .... Ginko is dead ? |
kuro__tenshiFeb 4, 2015 1:19 AM
Feb 4, 2015 2:40 AM
#71
CookingPriest said: notice how many otaku-pandering yuri shows happen in highschool and end BEFORE the characters reach adolescence with absolutely no showcase of them actually retaining their sexuality after growing up I see your point and agree, but that this situation isn't by any means abnormal and doesn't have to relate with homophobia at all (but it doesn't mean it can't relate. Source? Real life friends, I've met plenty of girls that had the same situation but now only date males. CookingPriest said: A tl;dr version would be: Japan is becoming more accepting of homosexual people BUT those of their own who "come out of closet" usually get harassed. Especially in high-school environments or with any sort of otaku involvement. I don't have any real life source about homophobia there but I feel it might be related to oldies, after checking this link from 2013 CookingPriest said: This is common japanese stuff: This video doesn't relate to homophobia but sexual harassment and sexism, which is something I think its a lot more intense than homophobia (thats what I could grasp from chinese cartoons and manga) CookingPriest said: Also a good read: http://iglhrc.org/content/un-urges-end-discrimination-against-lgbt-individuals-japan Good. Thanks. If you wonder where my initial question came from, you might feel like checking this link. |
Feb 4, 2015 5:45 AM
#72
Takuan_Soho said: Not to be too pedantic, but a split cour is when a show is shown relatively close, usually on one cour, off one, then on one. There was never any chance for a split cour because pre-production would have already been completed for both cours even before this show aired. What you meant is a second season or cour. And for those, even if the show is a hit, it will generally take a year or two for everything to get organized (NHK shows can turn them faster, but the trade off is usually cheaper art as Log Horizon shows) I know what a split-cour is. I'm just in denial about an Ikuhara show being only one cour long, and hoped that maybe it's split-cour. (Even if split-cours are decided in pre-production, they don't always announce it right away. For example, Tokyo Ghoul.) Yuri Kuma performing even worse than expected just makes it more obvious that it won't have more than 12 episodes. |
Feb 4, 2015 5:46 AM
#73
yoosergio said: I seriously can't tell if you're joking, but all anime always air around midnight. The only exception are kids anime (such as Yu-Gi-Oh and Precure) and some shounen (such as Naruto and Nanatsu no Taizai). No, I wasn't. Now that's a Kuma Shock... A great part of the demographic who watch "late night" anime in Japan are teenagers I think? That sure wouldn't go well with school at the morning... |
Feb 4, 2015 8:01 AM
#74
Episode that seems to turn over even more the situation created by the story peddled at the beginning of the series, giving further clues on the innocence of the bears and laying the guilt to other parties. Plot that once again is clear and clear in its exposition, nothing to do with MPD. Drawings less beautiful than usual, a little. Narration much more fun than usual, thanks to the daydreams of Ginko |
Feb 4, 2015 8:41 AM
#75
No shaba-da-doo so disappointed! I knew not to trust that girl as soon as she apologized Poor Ginko - Gao Gao |
Feb 4, 2015 10:03 AM
#76
股ドン Has Ikuhara gone insane? The answer, clearly, is yes, based on a short tweet that he sent out just five hours ago. The tweet is extremely brief, consisting of only three characters: 股ドン It is pronounced "matadon". When translated, what it means is, "the action of applying sudden pressure between the legs of person A as a result of force exerted by some part of the leg of person B. Person B could be using his/her knee or his/her foot or some other part of his/her leg." The kanji 股 by itself is a human anatomy term which refers to a location in between the legs, proximal to the abdomen. In this context, ドン ("don") could be onomatopoeia for a sound similar to "don". Perhaps "bang", "pow", "knock" and "rap" are possible translations. I don't see why Ikuhara would send out this tweet. Who could "person A" be referring to? Who could "person B" be referring to? What part of the leg of person B was being used? Was "don" a "bang" or some other sound? Here is a link to the actual tweet from Ikuhara: https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise/status/562958743126933505 If you were thinking of trying to interpret the meaning of Ikuhara's tweet by doing your own Google Image search for the phrase 股ドン I advise against it. |
okanaganFeb 4, 2015 11:33 AM
Feb 4, 2015 12:17 PM
#77
^ That's basically what Yurizono did to Konomi and Ginko did to Kureha in Ep 2, isn't it? :D |
Feb 4, 2015 12:25 PM
#78
Takuan_Soho said: As I said, I could be wrong on my interpretation, but that is what makes this show good, there is not definitive interpretation yet. Yeah, I've been wrong several times already. Haha it's sort of a good exercise in humility, I guess. The only other show I've seen that's a lot like this one in terms of presentation and execution is Utena (I haven't seen Penguindrum yet, but I assume it's like this as well), with Monogatari being a not-too-close yet not-too-distant second (mainly in terms of visual presentation; I think it's much more grounded than Yurikuma), so it's been really interesting to me to see how all the abstraction, surreality, metaphor/allegory, and symbolism lend themselves to multiple interpretations, most of which seem valid and non-contradictory. It's really fascinating seeing that and learning how those things can convey meaning differently than more common methods of presentation like cinematography (though this show certainly makes use of that as well). okanagan said: 股ドン Has Ikuhara gone insane? The answer, clearly, is yes, based on a short tweet that he sent out just five hours ago. The tweet is extremely brief, consisting of only three characters: 股ドン It is pronounced "matadon". When translated, what it means is, "the action of applying sudden pressure between the legs of person A as a result of force exerted by some part of the leg of person B. Person B could be using his/her knee or his/her foot or some other part of his/her leg." The kanji 股 by itself is a human anatomy term which refers to a location in between the legs, proximal to the abdomen. In this context, ドン ("don") could be onomatopoeia for a sound similar to "don". Perhaps "bang", "pow", "knock" and "rap" are possible translations. I don't see why Ikuhara would send out this tweet. Who could "person A" be referring to? Who could "person B" be referring to? What part of the leg of person B was being used? Was "don" a "bang" or some other sound? Here is a link to the actual tweet from Ikuhara: https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise/status/562958743126933505 If you were thinking of trying to interpret the meaning of Ikuhara's tweet by doing your own Google Image search for the phrase 股ドン I advise against it. Haha I think Ikuhara's always been insane. I actually did Google Image search it, because curiosity, and I'm not sure why you were advising against it. What came up for me is pictures (mostly anime-style) of people getting kneed in the crotch. I can guess that maybe you had different filters on or off, but there's no way for me to know that for sure. Even just from reading your post here, though, I got the impression that what you were talking about was a crotch shot. If Ikuhara's tweet has any meaning for the show, it could be referring to how many of the events in ep 5. were "low blows" in terms of how manipulative they were, or that these events will lead to some really painful stuff for Kureha, Ginko, and Lulu later on (I dunno if it's like this for girls, but it really hurts when a guy gets kneed in the crotch). I searched "股" as itself and as the various readings of it ("mata", "momo", and "ko"), as well as "don" on jisho.org and found a number of other definitions, which open the tweet up to at least a few more interpretations. This is probably much more of a stretch, but if you look at ko + don as "codon", it could refer to genetics/DNA, or be another plant reference/metaphor. These interpretations actually (surprisingly!) support one of my interpretations of Kureha's name (this was written after ep. 1, so the stuff about non-heteronormative sexuality is more prominent here than I currently think it is in the show): Kureha’s first name, written slightly differently, as “紅花” (kouka; but could technically be pronounced as Kureha), means safflower. Safflower is native to arid environments that only get seasonal rain, but because of its deep taproot (the largest, most important root of a plant), it is able to thrive. This could hint that, despite the pain and hardship she’s suffered in the past and is suffering in the present, Kureha will ultimately be able to blossom beautifully. Safflower is one of humanity’s oldest crops, and in the past, before cheaper and alternative methods became available many different parts of the plant were used for a variety of purposes, from making dyes and medicine to being used in flavoring and coloring for food. This could further underscore that non-heteronormative sexuality is something that has been around since the dawn of humanity and will continue to exist, as well as highlighting the fact that, in various ancient cultures, homosexuality was not seen as the sin or abominable act that it is today. Today, safflower is primarily grown for the mono- and poly-unsaturated oils it produces. These kinds of oils provide us with essential fatty acids that our bodies can’t make on their own. They’re necessary for our survival. This could be a way of saying that non-heteronormative sexuality (or just difference in general) is necessary for humanity to thrive. We’re not all the same, and we shouldn’t all be the same. Safflower plants have previously been used in transgenics experiments to produce insulin to help satisfy the growing global need for it in the wake of increasing global diabetes. This could further underscore the necessity of non-heteronormative sexuality (or difference, more generally) for humanity. Transgenesis introduces exogenous genes (genes that have been added to the genetic code) into living organisms so that those organisms will newly exhibit the trait coded for by the genes and pass it on to its offspring. This could very heavily imply that, through her actions, Kureha will cause a big change to the human world. It could also hint at things involving (what happened to) her mother. To edit the main points of that analysis, currently, I'd interpret the DNA/safflower stuff in Kureha's name more along the lines of difference in general being both important and necessary for the survival of humanity. I'd say that the DNA/transgenesis stuff could hint at things regarding how Kureha was raised before her mother's death and how that upbringing influenced her in terms of being open to bears on some level and feeling strongly about not backing down on love despite the intense pressure around her, and how those things could be what the human world needs (essentially, Kureha = the genes being added via transgenesis). I fully admit this interpretation is definitely a long shot, but it's interesting to consider, and does seem to kinda fit with the more general social commentary-oriented vibes (rather than being strictly about homosexuality) that the show has been giving off more and more. |
SejinFeb 4, 2015 12:50 PM
Feb 4, 2015 1:06 PM
#79
For a moment I thought Kureha accepted Ginko and Lulu. But it was in her imagination. Both of them in the bath <3 So cute Headmistress wants Kureha to forget Sumika and make friends : 0 That girl took over for Izumino's spot to take donw Kureha : 0 Pretend to be her friend in order to trap Ginko and Lulu + reveal them as bear WTH KUMA SHOCK !!!!!!!!!! GINKO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
Feb 4, 2015 3:57 PM
#80
Sejin said: I actually did Google Image search it, because of curiosity, and I'm not sure why you were advising against it. I just found those images too painful to look at. I'm a little suggestable. Also, please DEFINITELY nobody search for videos related to that phrase. There is one video which has been posted on YouTube by many different users in many slightly different edited lengths. It depicts two* anime voice actresses cosplaying as smock-wearing employees of an Akihabara manga store. They try to explain the concept of "matadon" (股ドン) by acting it out, but it is an epic failure. Much too horrible to watch. There are no subs, but if you listen carefully you can hear them say "matadon" multiple times. In any case, I have concerns for Ikuhara's mental health at the moment. - - - - - - - - - - - * They are Natsumi Takamori (高森奈津美) and Minami Tsuda (津田美波). . .Back when that video was made, both of them were appearing in . ."Denkigai no Honya-san" which is set in an Akihabara manga store. |
okanaganFeb 4, 2015 4:18 PM
Feb 4, 2015 5:34 PM
#81
okanagan said: In any case, I have concerns for Ikuhara's mental health at the moment. Mister, I'm getting worried about yours. |
Feb 4, 2015 6:22 PM
#82
Wow this is starting to get really good! Poor Ginko DX |
Feb 4, 2015 6:44 PM
#83
surfboard_ said: Mister, I'm getting worried about yours. Thanks. I'll admit that I may be reading too much into Ikuhara's tweets. However, I was closely following Tsutomu Mizushima's personal Twitter account during late 2012 when "Girls und Panzer" was running into huge production problems. There was a noticeable pattern of Mizushima starting to tweet odd things around about Episode 10. |
Feb 4, 2015 10:02 PM
#84
There are varies theories about what issue Yuri Kuma Arashi try to show...homophobia, bullying(cause by many kinds of reason), etc. ...also, what's the incident that Asteroid Kumaria exploded symbol? Did bears in this series being like that before the incident happen? I mean, they looks like doll, and can transform to human-like form, even before the incident? If so, did they used to get along with human more peacefully, at least more peaceful than now? ...somehow, I have a feeling that Sumika is actually the final boss |
Feb 5, 2015 12:01 AM
#85
Why the anime is rated too low ? It deserve more than that. Never expected Ginko to fall on trap like this. I hope noting bad happens to her |
Feb 5, 2015 5:25 PM
#86
Here are some things to be happy about: The usual four-line mini-synopsis for Episode 6 has just been posted here (in Japanese): http://yurikuma.jp/story.html I might or might not do some translation of it at some point. The Amazon Stalker points for Blu-ray of Volume 1 are at 922. (Holding steady) Lots of wonderful fan-art is being re-tweeted by Ikuhara: https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise As well, please check out Kureha's twitter account: https://twitter.com/ymnnzm She was been tweeting out quite a lot of Yurikuma-related stuff, including very nice photos of food. It appears that Yurikuma is her main project at the moment. But the bad news is that the official Twitter account for the series is still suspended: http://twitter.com/yurikuma_anime The title of Episode 6 is kind of cool, and seeing it doesn't give away any plot points, as far as I can determine. Maybe you'll be interested to see the title even if you don't want to see spoilers about the actual plot. Here is the title: Moon girl and forest girl 月の娘と森の娘 I haven't yet decided whether I'll translate any of the mini-synopsis. But I have read it and . . . |
okanaganFeb 5, 2015 8:01 PM
Feb 6, 2015 9:06 PM
#87
Cause and Effect? Sorry, I have not been making a regular habit of checking the "News" section on the official website. Nowadays, every anime series has an official website and the official website always has a "News" section. However, under normal circumstances, it is never necessary to look at the "News" section since all of the information will be announced on the official Twitter account. The situation is different right now since the official Twitter account for Yurikuma has been suspended for a full week now. Just checked. Yup. Still suspended. As a result, until this minute I was completely unaware of a news item on the official website which is dated "2015.2.5" but the actual time of day of the posting is not specified. You can see the news section here: http://yurikuma.jp/news.html The headline of the news item is: 幾原邦彦監督、緊急参加決定! What this means is that an emergency decision has been made that Ikuhara will be attending the Sunday, February 8th event! It does not say who made this decision. Did Ikuhara himself decide? Did some other unseen force or invisible wind make the decision for him? I can't tell. Three cast members will also be there, and separate sources of information lead me to believe that they will be the voice actresses for the three main characters. Finally, some series-related merchandise will be on sale in the lobby of the theater in Shinjuku in which the marathon showing will take place. You can see the stuff that they have for sale, along with prices, on that same news page. Now I want to do some causal analysis. Ikuhara sent out his short "matadon" (股ドン) tweet at 9:59 pm on February 4th (Tokyo time). The above-mentioned news item was posted on February 5th, presumably by the people who have business authority over the series. 股ドン is hard to translate. Perhaps it means "k*ck*d in the b*lls." Perhaps it means "kn**d in the gr**n". I can't tell. Also, we don't know who k*ck*d or kn**d who. Sejin did his own analysis of the phrase and suggested it means "cr*tch shot". Whatever it means, I think it is natural to speculate whether there was a kind of cause-and-effect relationship between what apparently happened late on February 4th and what was posted early on February 5th. Another available translation of 股ドン appears to be the situation in which one is gently stimulated between one's legs by pressure applied by another person's legs, while being gently embraced, pushed against the wall, or the floor. Thanks go to Pabilsag for pointing out specific examples of this in Episode 2. I have checked, and Ikuhara has not mentioned his "emergency decision" to attend the Sunday, February 8th theater event on his official twitter account. For your reference, here is Ikuhara's "matadon" tweet: https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise/status/562958743126933505 |
okanaganFeb 7, 2015 7:46 PM
Feb 7, 2015 5:21 PM
#88
I'd like this show a lot more if it wasn't so painfully dull. |
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Feb 7, 2015 6:54 PM
#89
UPDATE: . Just eight hours ago, Ikuhara sent out two closely-spaced tweets. 3:20 am Tokyo time, Sunday, February 8th https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise/status/564126540695625728 3:21 am Tokyo time, Sunday, February 8th https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise/status/564126879615950848 The 3:20 am tweet is all text, and seems to say: "The late-night work is now finished." "Also, see you at the screening." "Shaba-da-doo" ⊂(・(ェ)・)⊃ "Bear ♪" I believe that the second-last line ⊂(・(ェ)・)⊃ is a simple picture of a bear's face. The 3:21 am tweet consists only of an image of beautiful calligraphy, perhaps done by him personally, which roughly says "Shaba-da-doo at the screening". Ikuhara's calligraphy is both skillful and beautiful. But the flowing artistic style makes the individual symbols a bit difficult to recognize. To make it clearer for you to see, here is what the calligraphy says: 上映会でシ ャバダドゥ Although there are no set rules for the order in which characters are to be read, in this case you are supposed to first read the top line and then read the bottom line. For each line, you read the characters from left to right. 上映会 is "movie screening meeting" written in kanji. で is a conjunction which is needed here (in hiragana). シャバダドゥ is "shaba-da-doo" written in katakana. I think that these two tweets are notable in that this is the first direct indication from Ikuhara himself that he will actually be attending the Sunday evening marathon episode screening event in Shinjuku. Since it has also been advertised as including a "talk event", it is possible that Ikuhara will be saying something there. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UPDATED UPDATE:.At 11:03 am, Tokyo time, Sunday, February 8th, the voice actress for Kureha sent out a tweet from her personal Twitter account: https://twitter.com/ymnnzm/status/564243025082077184 For a Tweet, it is unusually long. Tweets have some maximum character limit. As expected, she says she will be attending the marathon screening. She says she will be on stage and that she is feeling excited and looking forward to it. The weather is not looking too good. (Her tweets often include Tokyo weather reports.) She invites everybody to come, but to travel carefully. Her tweet includes the words "gau gau" as well as a cute picture of a bear: ʕ •(エ)•ʔฅ - - - - - - - - - EVEN MORE UPDATING: At 3:56 pm, Tokyo time, the voice actress for Ginko says she'll be there too. https://twitter.com/Miho_Aaaa/status/564316769137868801 At 5:36 pm, Tokyo time, the voice actress for Lulu tweeted that she will also come to the marathon screening. She has been sending out some tweets that sound as if she's having trouble with her smartphone not working properly. That might explain why she tweeted so late. https://twitter.com/lunchpackgirl/status/564342062074454016 |
okanaganFeb 8, 2015 12:42 AM
Feb 8, 2015 1:08 AM
#90
I think the ep 6 of Yuri Kuma Arashi will be on ginko's back story watching the title... :( i hope i'm in wrong i want that the story continue |
Feb 8, 2015 7:27 AM
#91
this whole "yuri approved" thing is still not quite clear to me. what is it with this trial every time? and what happens if those two get declared as guilty? what is the goal of Ginko? Does she want to eat Kureha or does she want Kureha to survive(saving her could mean to eat her if you turn the meaning around a bit)? Well at least we finally found out why Ginko is so obsessed with Kureha. |
Feb 8, 2015 8:32 AM
#92
Damn that Harishima bitch! pretending to be Kureha's friend.... she really got the nerve in deceiving Kurechin... FARG! oh noes! Ginko-gao got caught with the trap! |
Feb 8, 2015 10:17 AM
#93
scruffykiwi said: CookingPriest said: It can go as ridiculous as gay people being BANNED from donating blood. Gay people being banned from donating blood is not homophobia but for medical reasons. It is because of the fact that AIDS in the west established itself within the gay community so the incidence of HIV is much higher. And while it might not seem politically correct to say it but promiscuity in gay groups is higher than hetero groups. Transmission rates being much higher for anal sex over vaginal don't help either! Dear, gay people beeing banned from donating blood is pure homophobia. first of all, all blood is beeing checked for HIV and some other things.because a lot of stright people are HIV positive, lots of people dont even know they are infected. second; not all gay guys enjoy anal sex. a lot of them indeed, dont. third. hetero couples do also anal. fourth; you realise gay people are also women? lesbians are even at lover risk of catching HIV than stright people fifth; most gay people are not stupid, and use condoms while frick-fracking, as everybody should. there are even more reasons why banning gay people from donating blood is incredible stupid and harmfull for everybody, as blood is so important. everybody, if they can should donate blood. because we dont know if we ourselves may need blood one day. |
Feb 8, 2015 4:03 PM
#94
Basically, things went well on Sunday evening at the marathon showing. So they all watched Episodes 1 through 5. Then they watched Episode 6. The rest of us have to wait another 15½ hours. Ginko's voice actress said Episode 6 was good, but of course she didn't give away any spoilers. There was also a nice tweet from Kureha's voice actress. Lulu's voice actress hasn't tweeted anything, but I guess her smartphone is still not working well. It was confirmed that, in fact, all three voice actresses were there and Ikuhara was also there. There was a "talk show". I don't know what that entailed. Ikuhara: https://twitter.com/ikuni_noise Ginko: https://twitter.com/Miho_Aaaa Lulu: https://twitter.com/lunchpackgirl Kureha: https://twitter.com/ymnnzm |
Feb 9, 2015 12:46 AM
#95
Feb 9, 2015 4:29 PM
#96
Feb 10, 2015 7:19 AM
#97
so Kureha picked up Ginko at the Saving Private Ryan like battlefield and that started her journey |
Feb 12, 2015 2:52 AM
#98
lalomartins said: Ah Yurikuma. We hated you from the beginning -- and loved you from the beginning, too. ^THIS. Also, the bears were able to operate tanks and hold rifles....wtf.....That Kaoru bitch is HELLA pissin me off. So as the rest of her fucking classmates. Shady-ass fucks all of dem bitches breh. Idk but are Ginko x Lulu like have a friends with benefits thing going on or something? Lulu be always going for the kiss or trying to do lewd shit with her while Ginko be in a trance looking at Kureha's ass and what not. |
Korrvo said: I like lolis. I don't like them sexually. It's hard to not like lolis, their cuteness pander to the same emotions that naturally makes us fathers. But it's hard to get off to anything that doesn't have any adult women characteristics like large tits, ass, and thighs. http://imgur.com/qgjKHGn |
Feb 12, 2015 3:14 PM
#99
Feb 12, 2015 8:01 PM
#100
1L0can0 said: Also, the bears were able to operate tanks and hold rifles.... I don't know whether it's plausible that a bear could hold and accurately fire a battle rifle, even after a lot of practice. However, fans in Japan identified the tanks that they were using as the Renault FT, which is also commonly known as the FT-17. It is a very small tank with a crew of two only. It was made in France in 1917 and used in World War I. Here is the post on a webpage by Japanese fans: http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13141716708 Here is an English-language Wikipedia page about the Renault FT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_FT |
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