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| Did anybody mentioned already that Gargantia is trying to peacefully co-exist with freaking Tyranids? |
| Ledo seems to be kind of narrow minded in this Although squid can taste nice as Sushi :P |
Monad said: There is nothing wrong with artificially created living weapons. Then there is the scenario that someone said about Hideaze being nano-machine creatures made by humans but then how is the biological analysis explained? If it where nano-machine then certainly analysis would have shown it and it wouldn't even biological? They don't need to be inorganic nano machines to be created by the humans during their prime. |
Wordsmith said: Darklight0303 said: Wordsmith said: I wish all the warmongers in here would take their meds already... it's getting a bit silly -.- So people who want the true plot, are warmongers. Lovely generalization there. People who confuse fighting, violence and generally unwholesome behavior with "true plot" are, in this case, warmongers. Exactly. Finally a post I can agree with in this thread. Gargantia's overall theme is coexistence, and that only be helping each other and trying to preserve the peace can you survive. All this about 'Ledo finally getting to kill them squids and show those pussies on the Gargantia what it means to live or the like' contradicts against the series, and I'm glad as hell that probably won't happen, or if it did, will bring great consequences. |
danna45 said: Wordsmith said: Darklight0303 said: Wordsmith said: I wish all the warmongers in here would take their meds already... it's getting a bit silly -.- So people who want the true plot, are warmongers. Lovely generalization there. People who confuse fighting, violence and generally unwholesome behavior with "true plot" are, in this case, warmongers. Exactly. Finally a post I can agree with in this thread. Gargantia's overall theme is coexistence, and that only be helping each other and trying to preserve the peace can you survive. All this about 'Ledo finally getting to kill them squids and show those pussies on the Gargantia what it means to live or the like' contradicts against the series, and I'm glad as hell that probably won't happen, or if it did, will bring great consequences. But it will. Next episode is called separation meaning Ledo and the rest do get to do their thing away from Gargantia. |
Monad said: 1) Ledo isn't quite that good of example of their society. He is cannon fodder that hasn't seen anything but war. And he doesn't want to. Ledo's people seem like humans that faction like soulless robots. They don't have opinions or individualism. If you want to talk about puppets then they are as puppets as they get. When someone else is stronger than you, you ether try to coexist or buy time to make yourself stronger. You don't just attack cause you are just looking to be killed. Essentially, he made himself a puppet, because that was the way to become a good soldier. 2) True, but it is not the case here. You don't worship xenomorphs just because they will vaporise the entire fleet if you don't hide from them. And according to Admiral's reaction, it is regularly happening. |
frid_kunMay 20, 2013 6:18 AM
frid_kun said: Did anybody mentioned already that Gargantia is trying to peacefully co-exist with freaking Tyranids? You expect the Gargantian's to just open their wardrobe and done their trusty power armor, grab the sacred bolter (or maybe go for a boltpistol + power fist today? decisions decisions), shout "FOR THE EMPRAAAAAAHHHHH!" at top of their lungs and have at them? Just FYI a) the whalesquids (and their space brethren as well I presume) are animals, driven by instinct. It's easy to avoid being targeted by them I presume, as long as you don't pick a fight. b) Look at the fight in ep1. Unless the Gargantia is actually named Macross Gargantia, I don't see them having much of a chance. Ofc, this only goes if the whalesquids have any special abilities that makes them more dangerous. But if they don't, killing them is just senseless slaughter. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
Wordsmith said: as we've seen, they have plenty battlesuits with integrated automatic and CC weapons, so kinda, yeah, that would be nice. You expect the Gargantian's to just open their wardrobe and done their trusty power armor, grab the sacred bolter (or maybe go for a boltpistol + power fist today? decisions decisions), shout "FOR THE EMPRAAAAAAHHHHH!" at top of their lungs and have at them? a) the whalesquids (and their space brethren as well I presume) are animals, driven by instinct. It's easy to avoid being targeted by them I presume, as long as you don't pick a fight. b) Look at the fight in ep1. Unless the Gargantia is actually named Macross Gargantia, I don't see them having much of a chance. Ofc, this only goes if the whalesquids have any special abilities that makes them more dangerous. But if they don't, killing them is just senseless slaughter. But that is not the point. They worship them, call them sacred beasts and generally think that this is peacefull co-existence rather then hiding for their lives. "You need to stop killing them because it will draw their attention and it will kill us all" and "You need to stop killing them because didn't do anything wrong and we are totally friends" are two entirely different messages. |
| There are many animals on this world that can and will attack, and possibly kill, a human if provoked. Shall we exterminate them as well? You know, just to be on the safe side. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| I find it disappointing how so humans here are so keen to exterminate the "aliens" I saw the same type of reaction happening when Macross Frontier was airing with the Vajra. Darn it will take a while... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Wordsmith said: frid_kun said: Did anybody mentioned already that Gargantia is trying to peacefully co-exist with freaking Tyranids? You expect the Gargantian's to just open their wardrobe and done their trusty power armor, grab the sacred bolter (or maybe go for a boltpistol + power fist today? decisions decisions), shout "FOR THE EMPRAAAAAAHHHHH!" at top of their lungs and have at them? FOR THE EMPEROR!!! Darklight0303 said: danna45 said: Wordsmith said: Darklight0303 said: Wordsmith said: I wish all the warmongers in here would take their meds already... it's getting a bit silly -.- So people who want the true plot, are warmongers. Lovely generalization there. People who confuse fighting, violence and generally unwholesome behavior with "true plot" are, in this case, warmongers. Exactly. Finally a post I can agree with in this thread. Gargantia's overall theme is coexistence, and that only be helping each other and trying to preserve the peace can you survive. All this about 'Ledo finally getting to kill them squids and show those pussies on the Gargantia what it means to live or the like' contradicts against the series, and I'm glad as hell that probably won't happen, or if it did, will bring great consequences. But it will. Next episode is called separation meaning Ledo and the rest do get to do their thing away from Gargantia. To add in with this conversation, I'm in general agreement, this wasn't about giant robot F's shit up. So much as Soldier in a way of life he knows nothing about. Also the squiddies like killed a shit load of people he knew and as the Admiral Said they DO tend to attack ships that just happen by. So the question is who started the War and whats the story to it. What worries me in a manner is IF the Human forces find him. Not only are these people seen as dead enders that break many laws, but they also are in a mammer of speaking allies to the enemy. Nothing short of full genocide would fall on the various fleets and pirate groups. Also short of hiding and running can there be peace? Is there even any sort of leadership quiding them? I mean will Ika Musume pop out of the sea and sign a damn peace treaty? I'm expecting the squid having something to do with the ones in space, maybe biological weapon gone wrong? But if not and there are the more "screw up your day" ones just hanging around in the bottom, then he might have signed everyones death warrents. At the same time seeing the numbers of them he can't win. However he is a well trained soldier. That doesn't matter to him. At the same time being held at gunpoint from his mission likely smashed ties between him and the fleet, conditioning of his nature versus the civilian nature of there own are not compatable..and I think with the likely death of the Fleet Commander he will likely leave the ship, at least with blondy, the other ships who knows. Though I am sure he will rejoin them, and I have a feeling Amy wanted to confess, though I doubt at that time it would have matterd to him. I really want to see where they take this show. Its more of human drama than battle mecha imo. |
RedArmyShogunMay 20, 2013 7:05 AM
| Anybody think that, Ledo actually went back in time, and he's the reason why Hideazau (don't remember the name) start to hate human, and in the future, they will evolve to be able to exterminate human even we run to space? |
joshua_mai said: Anybody think that, Ledo actually went back in time, and he's the reason why Hideazau (don't remember the name) start to hate human, and in the future, they will evolve to be able to exterminate human even we run to space? Yeah me and a few others I've seen. What he traveled through in space before he ended up in Gargantia was basically a Black Hole. The rules governing one make time travel possible if you can actually survive it somehow, since the area was not known/mapped on arrival and communications seem to be down, I've thought it was time travel all along. |
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| I loved this ep XD So intense? Finally it's getting serious.. Just 5 ep left :( and I hope Gen Urobuchi not killing somebody, at least I hope it's not the usual Urobuchi-sensei's ending :) |
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| Ledo might be right, but just then it's also possible that he is overreacting. Although I definitely don't blame him, he should take into consideration the sentiments of the people around. |
| I highly doubt the time travel idea, unless the humans somehow get the tech to build all the crap we ween. And given the technological age they are at that isn't just fnding on item on the sea floor away from happening. also @ Claw Viper. To a well trained soldier that doesn't matter. Its like the Soviet Scorched Earth Policy in WW2. It left many of the people as you put it at a disadvantage for just surviving. And the high command did not care, in fact it encouraged them to stay and take up arms in the rear of the German Lines. So to him, he has a mission, if these people won't help they are at best useless. At worst if he seen them as aiding the enemy he might even burn the fleet. |
RedArmyShogun said: I highly doubt the time travel idea, unless the humans somehow get the tech to build all the crap we ween. And given the technological age they are at that isn't just fnding on item on the sea floor away from happening. I think I get what you are saying, but I'm not saying the humans on Gargantia are about to develop time travel. Ledo went back in time at the start of the first episode imo and ended up on Gargantia. The Gargantians are far from capable of time travel and look at the technological difference between Chamber and the Mechs in use by the Gargantia citizens. It seems a millennium behind tech wise, which further reinforces the fact he could have traveled back in time. Maybe the whalessquid eventually evolve/mutate to become the aliens he was fighting in space. Maybe what he is doing now will actually have an effect on them and cause said mutation to happen. Maybe he was the original cause of his whole empires conflict. The possibilities with this hypothesis are pretty endless, hopefully that explains a little better where I'm coming from. varulv said: can't believe how stupid people are.. Yeah and this post is just brimming with intellectual prowess... Huehuehue! |
ReasonDesuMay 20, 2013 7:49 AM
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| 5/5 Stark700 said:  Ledo I suggest you take advantage of it, let Amy and put the rude Bellows!XD The side slice or life of the series I was interested, but I would have liked a little less fanservice, but when you start to fight the series becomes even more charisma, I hope to continue with this combination, days of daily life in which to explore the characters' and adrenaline moments with battles on multiple fronts! Drawings and fabulous backdrops, animations exceptional! I'm happy! |
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morrownight said: *kisses you* Thank you! That's exactly it. This show is back on track again and I'm excited as hell. Edit: The time traveling theories in here gave me shivers, lol, I hadn't thought about the possibility. It can go either epic or dumb (even though I'd probably love it anyway), let's hope for the best. |
ak47May 20, 2013 9:23 AM
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| The last two episodes where ney. They could've been done without the fan-service on Red's development at fun and socializing. We finally got back to true form with this one and I thank the production for giving us zero fan-service. A full plotted serious based episode. "Separation" indeed. Maybe, Red will learn to not hate the squids too much when he goes exploring? He'll still be ingrained in his soldier mind-set, but, I bet he'll be a changed person when he comes back? :D "I am a SOLDIER!!" Red declares. *slap* |
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| After being accused of being a warmonger, I decided to rewatch the first episode. Again. It seems I might have had some misconceptions about the impetus for war between the Alliance and the Hideauze. Seeing that the Hideauze did not seem to be an intelligent race, I had the impression that they had, by some animal instinct, advanced upon humankind of their own will, posing an impending threat to human existence. However within the first minute or so we already have something that reveals the true ambitions of the Alliance, something I didn't pay enough attention to the first time I watched it. Here it states: 0:54 We must end the threat of the Hideauze, who would hinder our journey onward. We must not allow these lower life forms to hold back humanity's race to the future! 我ら人類の前途を脅かす、ヒディヤーズの跳梁を、断固として阻止すべき。かような下等生物に、人類の躍進を阻まれてはならない。 Sounds like some manifesto written in Imperial Japan. This must be the origin of all the debate on the validity of the story. Up until now I had assumed that Ledo, despite being a soldier, was fighting for the valiant purpose of defending humanity from invading space monsters. But now that I look at it, the show has been sending unclear messages about the standing of the Alliance. First we have this blatant manifesto speech in the first minute of episode 1. But then the Alliance doesn't even seem to be in a position to be pushing their neighbors around (even their best efforts at an attack did little damage and were quickly subdued). And now we have Ledo telling us that "it is only a matter of time before they strike." Will they strike because they deem a civilization threatening to their existence? In response to encroachment of their territory? Is that enough to justify them as enemies? If the Alliance turns out to be the aggressor, then I'll accept that Ledo was brainwashed and that the people of Gargantia may actually play a part in the future of human civilization in space. |
tealcactusMay 20, 2013 9:07 AM
| Good episode. I like the "Time" theory people have been saying, but it's Urobutcher so anything can hapen. All the Whalesquids coming up had me excited there for a second of what was going to happen. I think they were looking for what killed it because they're never killed. Aka Ledo's advanced tech mecha. |
TyrelMay 20, 2013 9:05 AM
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morrownight said: Wow. TBH I had completely forgotten (or rather: not registered) the speech in the very beginning. Now it makes even more sense. Also, ofc Ledo would spout this nonsense about them attack (when they actually only follow their survival or territorial instinct). It's because he didn't learn it any other way. He was a soldier from birth (not literally, but he was trained as a soldier from the get go). And if you want a soldier to kill for you, you must make the soldier WANT to kill the enemy. This is often done by vilifying the enemy. If the enemies are human, make them appear subhuman, with deragatory tearms, and being inferior and somesuch. Since the Hidewhatchamacallit are already "monsters", they just have to alter the truth a bit. "Counterstriking against the humans encroaching on their territory" becomes "trying to wipe out the human race". If soldiers don't get to see the full picture (and why would they? They are just warm bodies to throw at the enemy.), they wouldn't know if they are on the "right" side. Also, dem squids arent even sentient. How DARE they impede the expansion plans of the allmighty human race? |
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morrownight said: After being accused of being a warmonger, I decided to rewatch the first episode. Again. It seems I had some misconceptions about the impetus for war between the Alliance and the Hideauze. Seeing that the Hideauze did not seem to be an intelligent race, I had the impression that they had, by some animal instinct, advanced upon humankind of their own will, posing an impending threat to human existence. However within the first minute or so we already have something that reveals the true ambitions of the Alliance, something I didn't pay enough attention to the first time I watched it. Here it states: 0:54 We must end the threat of the Hideauze, who would hinder our journey onward. We must not allow these lower life forms to hold back humanity's race to the future! 我ら人類の前途を脅かす、ヒディヤーズの跳梁を、断固として阻止すべき。かような下等生物に、人類の躍進を阻まれてはならない。 Sounds like some manifesto written in Imperial Japan. Honestly I now think this is the origin of all the debate on the validity of the story. Up until now I had assumed that Ledo, despite being a soldier, was fighting for the valiant purpose of defending humanity from invading space monsters. But now that I look at it, the show has been sending unclear messages about the standing of the Alliance. First we have this blatant manifesto speech in the first minute of episode 1. But then the Alliance doesn't even seem to be in a position to be pushing their neighbors around (even their best efforts at an attack did little damage and were quickly subdued). And we have Ledo telling us that "it is only a matter of time before they strike." Will they strike because they deem a civilization threatening to their existence? In response to encroachment of their territory? Is that enough to justify them as enemies? Well you can also tell that the Alliance is fighting the Hideauze to protect themselves and their homes which we can see are also being raveged. And if our theory is true and the Hideauze DO consume energy. They might follow the humans wherever they move their territory to (especially since it seems plausible that they followed them out into space in the first place!) and attack them there as well. Also, from where their nest is and how they crowd around large yellow stars, it might be that the Hideauze are feeding off the star's energy, which would be good for NO ONE. Especially if the thing becomes unstable. The Hideauze seem to have the intelligence at the moment of something like bees, ants, or hornets. They can organize pretty well, and they attack when their territory is encroached upon. They also can organize plans of attack as well. They also like the Hideauze have different classes of the species (worker, soldier, etc). Chamber called the Hideauze they attacked an interceptor class. Now beyond that we don't really know anything else. I'm beginning to believe that the Hideauze was the result of a long ago Earth experiment that got way out of control, and now it's been so many centuries that they've forgotten that Earth was the cause of it all. |
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Wordsmith said: Since the Hidewhatchamacallit are already "monsters", they just have to alter the truth a bit. "Counterstriking against the humans encroaching on their territory" becomes "trying to wipe out the human race". If soldiers don't get to see the full picture (and why would they? They are just warm bodies to throw at the enemy.), they wouldn't know if they are on the "right" side. Also, dem squids arent even sentient. How DARE they impede the expansion plans of the allmighty human race? I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the Alliance was the aggressor just based on that, however. So maybe the speech at the beginning was a pep talk for the soldiers. But we're talking about 3-dimensional space, and non-sentient creatures. Where do you draw the line for "encroachment of territory"? If you look closely in the first minute (beginning at 0:43) you will see three flashes of images of human establishments destroyed or being overrun by Hideauze. The Alliance may have built unwittingly into Hideauze territory, upon which the Hideauze attacked, and the Alliance retaliated. Contrary to the speech, this victimizes the Alliance. |
DoomCraft said: How plot convenient was it for that fleet commander to have his heart attack at that exact moment. Thank You for saying that, it was lazy writing at its finest. |
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skudoops said: And just like that, this show got back interesting again. Truer words have never been spoken. |
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Wordsmith said: i didn't hear you complaining that we exterminated plague or other deseases.There are many animals on this world that can and will attack, and possibly kill, a human if provoked. Shall we exterminate them as well? You know, just to be on the safe side. |
frid_kunMay 20, 2013 10:16 AM
| the time travel is actually awesome idea. If Gargantia's time point is after colonists departure, but before breaking the war, Ledo might be the very first reason the war started in the first place. |
| 1. SnG>SnK 2. Ledo isn't necessarily wrong, but he is misinformed. 3. Alliance are the real bad guys. Calling it right now. 4. Hideauze aren't bad. Calling it right now. 5. Alliance hunts down Hideauze for energy, convinces their soldiers that it's to "protect the homeland!" 6. Heart attack made sense. SMH 7. War shit is about to start (this will satisfy the lazy viewers some, the diligent more) Good episode. Made all the better because it was actually set up with good pacing. Not many shows/stories have the skill to take their time and actually go through all the necessary steps. |
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frid_kun said: Wordsmith said: i didn't hear you complaining that we exterminated plague or other deseases.There are many animals on this world that can and will attack, and possibly kill, a human if provoked. Shall we exterminate them as well? You know, just to be on the safe side. Actually, if you think about it, it's more like why we have exterminators and animal control today. Bees and ants and rodents are fine as long as they don't encroach on your home. If they come en masse and begin to affect your way of living, that's when they have to go. On Earth there maybe someway for humans and the Hideauze to coexist as long as they don't encroach on each other's territories. However if the Hideauze are attacking humans based on technology and energy, it might be either time to get rid of them or have them permanently secluded somewhere. This wouldn't work in the vastness of space though, so complete extermination might be the only option. Especially considering how long the war has been going on and that the Hideauze are attacking the humans directly now. |
| If the Hideauze is a result of human experimentation and may have been caused by a bioweapon gone horribly wrong. It is up to the humans to clean up the mess. |
| Whalequids have been viewed as sacred since ancient time; how far way back are they talking about? I don't think the Hideauze are sentient, if they are they don't give a rat ass about humanity. I mean they are so strong that even the most advanced space fleet are no match for them. The people of Gargantia wants to coexist with the Hideauze, that will entail for them to stay without advance technology and play dead each time the Hideauze comes around. Nice. I decided, I am in Ledo's side. Nothing will change in living by salvaging just the scraps the Hideauze doesn't want. |
Monad said: Darklight0303 said: ainky said: And here we go to epic again. Better late than never eh? o/ morrownight said: This episode just saved Gargantia from entering my dropped list. Irenesharda said: If anyone hasn't read this, it's awesome! Who knew Red was so good with words? THIS. These are the questions, the answers of which are what so many viewers of this anime, including myself, have been looking for. Funny that full-fledged SoL was even a option. Funny that people have dismissed the contents of the first episode as a mere backdrop to the more "enlightening" experience of Ledo's humanization. Ledo is "learning" to be more human? "Character development"? Give me a damn break. Just what makes people think Gargantia is the ideal height of human civilization? The SoL fans watching this anime have dismissed those of us who have sought real plot as "action mecha fans" who would be better off watching Gundam and other similar laser shows. "This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin," they claim. Well, this episode just proved that it WAS all along. The Gargantians are a bunch of peace-loving fishermen who have never thought of venturing beyond the waters around their fleet save for a few like Pinion and Flange. Ledo comes along and awakens them to the fact that there is a larger, far more advanced human civilization in outer space (though most of them still seem not to have grasped the idea). The last two episodes had me going on the ridiculous possibility of Ledo simply throwing out his past and becoming a member of the primordial society that is Gargantia. It made me sick, just as it would have if Eren Jaeger had decided to join the Police Corps after seeing his mother eaten alive by a titan. In essence, that's what Gargantia is. They are a people content to live within the walls of their own existence, like a herd of cattle, and like Ledo said, never wondering at the future of their civilization or what could be out there. And the ones oppressing them are the pirates and, now, it seems, an army of squid. You go kill those tentacle monsters, Ledo. When the Gargantians shoo you away, you can either talk sense into them or look for the truth underwater and get back to the Alliance. Preach my brother PREACH THE GREAT TRUTH!!! Sorry but that is half logic here. First just because Gargantia ain't the perfect society it doesn't mean they don't have things they can teach. Even the beggar outside your door might know something good he can teach you. Ledo's society is advance that does dreamy things and reaches new heights? Well yeah but what useless they are when the people don't even realize what they are achieving. Ledo's people seem like humans that faction like soulless robots. They don't have opinions or individualism. If you want to talk about puppets then they are as puppets as they get. Their society has some nice puppet strings too. Also talking about dreams of grandeur is nice when you are the top of the food chain like you people are, echoing such luxury while typing your badass attitude on MAL forums. Not so well when you aren't. Fighting an enemy that can annihilate you when you can avoid him is not called "progress". Is called "suicide". Who said that Gargantia people aren't making progress? What to you know about their advancement? They have mobile suits don't they? They seem to have built them so they have a way of tech. They live on ships? Well yes of course they do, there is no fucking land for god sakes. I guess they should apologize for not building skyscrapers in non existent land? Or maybe they should be accused for not going to the moon? Well our great civilization went just 50 years ago(and even that is in doubt) after being on this damn rock for thousands of years. Lets not play the progressive geniuses here. Hell it doesn't seem like we even have the guts to go again for how many decades now? Oh! yes we are progressing, we are making flat fucking Tv's. When someone else is stronger than you, you ether try to coexist or buy time to make yourself stronger. You don't just attack cause you are just looking to be killed. Ledo and the other people in the Alliance had no choice but to be on strings. In fact, Ledo's the only one who's had any exposure outside of the Alliance and therefore- if he does begin to question the policy of the Alliance (which we ourselves do not fully know of nor of their motives or reasons to fight), then we'll see in what sense are they 'puppets'. And while the people of Gargantia seem to be making some progress, overall, the upper class and the head leaders seem reluctant to try new things. While the people in general may think, "Oh let's steal this or let's try that" because of curiosity, they never quite go through with it because of the encouragement from everyone else to sit back, relax, enjoy and just get on with daily life as you have for the past 50 or so years. We haven't seen a mass of them show interest in discovering new things or studying new technology. For example, ever since Ledo popped out of Chamber and started getting along with the natives, no one has bothered to ask him about perhaps examining Chamber. No one really questions what his society was like and all that he knows. The doctor himself only had a few ancient texts and the masses don't know or care about that. I also haven't seen any system of education put in place. Everyone on the land seems to know tid bits of knowledge here and there and/or some trade skill for jobs. While this is not bad and obviously people will take several years to advance and reorganize society, their steps in advancement seem to be taken in reluctance and their refusal to look through any other point of view (Ledo's for one) is rather childish. And guts? To go again? To do what? What do you want a war? And we haven't just invented the flat screen tv. We've made a new computer interface called the sixth sense and a retinal implant for the blind. We've invented new fabrics from raw silk, successfully made an electronic bloodhound, the world's smallest ink jet printer, high altitude flying windmills, smog-earing cement, and bionic contacts. We've progressed quite a bit- even in things you might find silly like making a tv flatter. But from those advancements, we're able to improve other areas of life and other inventions. Don't underestimate our society just because you live here and choose to be blind to all the innovation and abundant creativity around you. Finally, yes you're right. When someone else is stronger, you coexist and buy time to become just as equally or even more powerful. Yet I don't see the Gargantians following this. They aren't trying to become stronger. They aren't asking Ledo what he knows about the whalesquids or why he thinks they're a threat. They aren't attempting to gather information or even study the whalesquids. In fact, they're terrified at the thought of even salvaging in case they may enter whalesquid territory- unless of course Ledo comes along. Whenever there's some danger, they just drag Ledo along- not even filling him in on all that he might face nor with any concern for his safety. They aren't trying to advance right now by themselves, for themselves. They're just sitting prey, and they seem to be perfectly fine with that. |
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| Once I think about it, it really is similar to Mass Effect. 1. Alien(Human) becomes quite important through experiences. 2. Warns civilizations about Hideauze(Reapers), but gets ignored instead. So I'm going to guess that when they're going to explore the underwater ruins of their previous civilization(Protheans), they'll or maybe just Ledo will provoke the Hideauze(whalesquid) into war or maybe something on a large-scale battle. Anyone see where I'm going with this? |
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StopDropAndBowl said: 1. SnG>SnK 2. Ledo isn't necessarily wrong, but he is misinformed. 3. Alliance are the real bad guys. Calling it right now. 4. Hideauze aren't bad. Calling it right now. 5. Alliance hunts down Hideauze for energy, convinces their soldiers that it's to "protect the homeland!" 6. Heart attack made sense. SMH 7. War shit is about to start (this will satisfy the lazy viewers some, the diligent more) Good episode. Made all the better because it was actually set up with good pacing. Not many shows/stories have the skill to take their time and actually go through all the necessary steps. The fanservice of the past two episodes was NOT a necessary step no matter how much you lie to yourself. Also your first point is irrelevant and completely biased bullshit |
Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: 1. SnG>SnK 2. Ledo isn't necessarily wrong, but he is misinformed. 3. Alliance are the real bad guys. Calling it right now. 4. Hideauze aren't bad. Calling it right now. 5. Alliance hunts down Hideauze for energy, convinces their soldiers that it's to "protect the homeland!" 6. Heart attack made sense. SMH 7. War shit is about to start (this will satisfy the lazy viewers some, the diligent more) Good episode. Made all the better because it was actually set up with good pacing. Not many shows/stories have the skill to take their time and actually go through all the necessary steps. The fanservice of the past two episodes was NOT a necessary step no matter how much you lie to yourself. Also your first point is irrelevant and completely biased bullshit The fan-service was unnecessary... who said it wasn't? But then again, all things are unnecessary. The fan service almost universally served a role in the story, a specific role that could not have been better served by other means. Some small bits of it were truly "unnecessary" in the sense that you mean it, but I could find as much and more in any story, show, book, or other art form. Without such meaningless things we are left with a barren, stark, lifeless world. Or did you think that every action scene in an anime like SnK is absolutely 100% necessary to the plot? Every single slash of every single sword serves a role of great import? The story, plot, and characterization would all just fall to pieces if they took out even one moment of action? Nope. But why cut out the fat? The fat is what tastes good. In an anime like SnK, the fat is the action. In an anime like SnG, the fat is the colorful world, the idyllic laziness, and the pretty, well-toned, well-tanned girls. You have a double standard: you prefer action to slice-of-life. You prefer swords to dances. Perfectly fine, I hold the same preferences. However, I won't judge one to be of higher objective value than the other in the context of storytelling. "Unnecessary" action and girls are all the same: fan-service. The first point is somewhat relevant. The two shows have been compared, by multiple people, in this thread. And they are two of the more popular shows of the season. I could go in depth into the comparison and explain why the one is better than the other if you'd like. Takuan_Soho said: Darklight0303 said: The fanservice of the past two episodes was NOT a necessary step no matter how much you lie to yourself. Also your first point is irrelevant and completely biased bullshit There was certainly a legitimate reason from all the fanservice. It functioned as "Oh look a squirrel" device from the glaring contradictions in the plot. Almost every single one of the "glaring contradictions in the plot" you listed thus far were either misunderstandings of the story by you, or pretty ridiculous assumptions. None of them were what I would consider valid. |
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