The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
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Jun 15, 2014 7:04 PM
#151
ThreePointer said: This tournament looks so cool. Not sure if Tatsuya is the smoothest person ever or as dense as a main male character in a generic anime harem. He's definitely the former. The LN has more examples of his snarky attitude. |
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Jun 15, 2014 9:24 PM
#152
Kind of mad that they skip most of ALL the games so far... I mean common the games was like 30sec then over. The interaction with mayumi was lacking hard. I feel really bad for the people who watch the anime and know nothing about the light novel. I had to explain a lot of stuff to my cousin because the lack of things they didn't explain. |
Jun 15, 2014 9:45 PM
#153
too right this shit boring aye, probs should think about reading the LN only problem I hate books manga is alright cause its got pictures but like novels omfg gg |
Jun 15, 2014 10:12 PM
#154
Takuan_Soho said: Technici said: shanimebib said: I think most of us have an idea how the it works in the military when it comes to addressing people with different ranks. A junior officer is addressing a senior officer by their rank is unheard of. For instance, a Major can address a captain by their rank, but when a Captain or Lieutenant is addressing a Major, they address them as 'Sir'. It has been present in Military since forever and it is internationally followed. I think the author of Mahouka is not aware of this rather simple fact. Just my random input because I found it a bit awkward. A teacher said there are no equivalents to sire or ma'dam in japan. Also, in Japan the use of rank words is far more popular, many times you will not use a proper name with it unless there is the possibility of confusion. Hence "Sensei" for teacher, "Senpai" and "Kohai" for people older or younger than you in the same environment (school or work). The military also uses ranks (of course) instead of names. Kanchou for Captain, Chuu'i for lieutenant (see Sakura Wars). The way Japanese deals with showing deference isn't with words, but rather that words you use with it. So you wouldn't say "yes sir", you would use humble language to those of higher rank. Thanks for the explanation. |
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Jun 15, 2014 10:18 PM
#155
Didn't LN readers say this show would get better after the first arc which is meant to be "boring"? I think the show only got worse... The sports are the most boring things I've ever seen. It's just no fun watching our high school completely obliterate others. Seriously? Our council president can get a perfect score, yet the best person from another school can only get 1/3 of that? That's just silly. At least have people put up a fight. At least have our main characters not completely perfect. And to make things worse, even though we're at a sporting competition, there's more fuckin' talking then sports. And even when there are sports, it's only on for a few seconds. And no I'm not gonna drop the show because I don't like it. I'm morbidly curious as to what you LN readers see in this piece of work. It's horrible from what I've seen so far, I just want to see how much worse it can get. |
Jun 15, 2014 10:45 PM
#156
The Tournament scene is cool especially Mayumi :D i'm enjoy this episode, it's quite refreshing for me. |
Jun 15, 2014 11:16 PM
#157
Sapewloth said: There's something I don't get about the whole competition though : from what we've seen so far most of these "sports" seem to be heavily if not entirely based on magic skills, so why the need to do different events for men and women ? That's just me nitpicking though. And I didn't get the point of Mayumi's stretch scene : was this supposed to be fan service ? Is she trying to get in Tatsu's pants ? In the Crowd Ball, contest, players can use magic only or they can play physically by move-type and speed type magic that's why they separate 2 games for man and woman. In case of Mayumi, she just want to relax before the match, and tease Tat maybe. The battle board demands strength too. Ice break and speed shooting, I am not sure. To have more medals perhaps ;) |
Jun 15, 2014 11:18 PM
#158
Miraclezify said: The sports are the most boring things I've ever seen. It's just no fun watching our high school completely obliterate others. It can be fun. But this show chose the most fucking boring way to do it. I don't mind this set of characters completely dominating though, since they aren't really our main main characters, and are supposedly freaking OP (besides Tatsuya). But...at least, make it fancy or engaging. Not this boring piece of half-assed crap. It's not like Madhouse doesn't have the capabilities to do so too. So, well then. |
Jun 16, 2014 7:32 AM
#159
Nothing happened this episode, some exposition but mostly useless stuff. Besides maybe 2-3 things related to overall story this was as boring as it gets. In a show with only 25 (for now) episodes, where almost nothing was explained first 10 episodes, to basically have filler episode makes no sense. Yes, I understand it was not filler but it didn't contribute to anything whatsoever. At least 4-5 episodes ago where they talked for 20 minutes and people complained they actually did exposition and tried explaining. I liked that. This episode though... Just a short question. Why are terrorists targeting school competition? Because great families children are here or something that's gonna be mentioned later? If anyone answers with spoiler tag I'll gladly read it since this show is probably going to keep explanations as short as possible in that department. |
Jun 16, 2014 7:38 AM
#160
Just like my review, the show still suffers from some of its main problems. However, now i can see how the show is progressing better, especially when i switch perspective to one akin to watching log horizon. Its execution is still not on par with log horizon but its more enjoyable to watch that way. |
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Jun 16, 2014 11:03 AM
#161
nina4life said: Just a short question. Why are terrorists targeting school competition? Because great families children are here or something that's gonna be mentioned later? If anyone answers with spoiler tag I'll gladly read it since this show is probably going to keep explanations as short as possible in that department. This batch of criminals aren't exactly terrorists. They're more like the Chinese Triads, organized crime syndicates. gambling. First High, as the school that has won twice in a row and coming into the competition as the heavy favorite, is prime target for sabotage. Since no one has any odds against First High winning, their plan is to bet heavily on the odds that First high will lose or some other school will win and then make sure that First High loses. Of course, the way they plan on going about it is highly criminal so it comes of like they're terrorists |
Jun 16, 2014 11:25 AM
#162
millie10468 said: but I've learned to have very very low expectations about the quality of explanations the anime gives so I hope it somewhat makes sense now. That makes no sense, indeed it is even counter sense. According to this show, the graduates from the schools are for the most part going to become military assets for the country. Why would they let the public (and international observers) know enough information so that they can place bets on the competition? I can see having a competition as a sort of training and placement test, but it would make no sense to attract all the attention gambling brings. And in that magic is a sign of a national power, why would the Japanese tolerate Chinese gangs getting involved? Does anyone think that the US would just sit back and let the Italian Mafia much around with advanced weapon systems? I mean at least the mafia would make more sense in that Italy and Japan are not enemies. But China? First Blanche and now the triads? |
Jun 16, 2014 11:38 AM
#163
Not much going on this episode. Only thing I was interested in was the military side of things going on with Tatsuya. |
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Jun 16, 2014 11:47 AM
#164
Takuan_Soho said: millie10468 said: but I've learned to have very very low expectations about the quality of explanations the anime gives so I hope it somewhat makes sense now. That makes no sense, indeed it is even counter sense. According to this show, the graduates from the schools are for the most part going to become military assets for the country. Why would they let the public (and international observers) know enough information so that they can place bets on the competition? I can see having a competition as a sort of training and placement test, but it would make no sense to attract all the attention gambling brings. And in that magic is a sign of a national power, why would the Japanese tolerate Chinese gangs getting involved? Does anyone think that the US would just sit back and let the Italian Mafia much around with advanced weapon systems? I mean at least the mafia would make more sense in that Italy and Japan are not enemies. But China? First Blanche and now the triads? I said, "like" the Chinese Triads. I meant organized crime syndicates in general, not the Chinese Triads itself. And since when has a country been able to keep all activities of other country's criminals out of its country. Japan doesn't tolerate anything. It's as a result of this issue that they even realize that GAA had its claws that far up in the country. They do know that such international gangs are active in the country. They just didn't know exactly what they were doing. That implies that they had an eye on them, otherwise how would Kazama know to tell Tatsuya to be careful of No Head Dragon? As for why they let the public view the competition, there's a limit for the type of magic used in the competition. Tatsuya's battalion in this episode pointed out how he couldn't use certain A class magic even if he did compete. The magic in the 9SC is limited to basic magic sequences , magics just about everyone knows about, magic that isn't very dangerous, or magics below A class . For instance, Katsuto's family's Phalanx is a purely defensive magic and is allowed in the competition despite being A class. Masaki's family's magic, on the other hand, even though it's well known as A class , is a purely offensive, dangerous magic that can't even be used on a lower level, unlike Phalanx, and therefore not allowed in the competition. Furthermore, CADs are limited to generalized ones which lowers the competitors abilities to perform to the absolute best of their capabilities. In short, there are a lot of measures in place to ensure that the output in the competition is just enough to hint at a participant's potential and not the entirety of his/her repertoire. Why have a competition then if competitors don't get to go all out? Well, yes, it's a competition that acts sort of like a training and recruitment ground but it's also an opportunity for Japan to show off the level of its magicians as a way to deter other countries because everyone assumes that what is being shown is not nearly on the same level as those participants' real power. It's like giving the world just a taste of Japan's potential. Of course they aren't going to show everything they have, they'll keep certain things under wraps, hidden aces, if you will. Why is it a worthwhile venture for Ho Head? If First High fails when it was a foregone conclusion that they'd win, it could undermine the status of Japan's magicians in some sense. Plus it's money, which is always a huge motivator. They, as people from the GAA, get to kill two birds with one stone |
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Jun 16, 2014 12:57 PM
#165
millie10468 said: I said, "like" the Chinese Triads. I meant organized crime syndicates in general, not the Chinese Triads itself. And since when has a country been able to keep all activities of other country's criminals out of its country. Japan doesn't tolerate anything. It's as a result of this issue that they even realize that GAA had its claws that far up in the country. They do know that such international gangs are active in the country. They just didn't know exactly what they were doing. That implies that they had an eye on them, otherwise how would Kazama know to tell Tatsuya to be careful of No Head Dragon? As for why they let the public view the competition, there's a limit for the type of magic used in the competition. Tatsuya's battalion in this episode pointed out how he couldn't use certain A class magic even if he did compete. The magic in the 9SC is limited to basic magic sequences , magics just about everyone knows about, magic that isn't very dangerous, or magics below A class . For instance, Katsuto's family's Phalanx is a purely defensive magic and is allowed in the competition despite being A class. Masaki's family's magic, on the other hand, even though it's well known as A class , is a purely offensive, dangerous magic that can't even be used on a lower level, unlike Phalanx, and therefore not allowed in the competition. Furthermore, CADs are limited to generalized ones which lowers the competitors abilities to perform to the absolute best of their capabilities. In short, there are a lot of measures in place to ensure that the output in the competition is just enough to hint at a participant's potential and not the entirety of his/her repertoire. Why have a competition then if competitors don't get to go all out? Well, yes, it's a competition that acts sort of like a training and recruitment ground but it's also an opportunity for Japan to show off the level of its magicians as a way to deter other countries because everyone assumes that what is being shown is not nearly on the same level as those participants' real power. It's like giving the world just a taste of Japan's potential. Of course they aren't going to show everything they have, they'll keep certain things under wraps, hidden aces, if you will. Why is it a worthwhile venture for Ho Head? If First High fails when it was a foregone conclusion that they'd win, it could undermine the status of Japan's magicians in some sense. Plus it's money, which is always a huge motivator. They, as people from the GAA, get to kill two birds with one stone Considering the volatility of the world right now, you'd think they would've weeded out these criminal organizations already. The situation is like if there were terrorists doing their dealings in the US. They'd be caught with our intelligence network. In the Mahoukaverse, they can just send in some mages and they'd be done by lunchtime. They don't even livestream the competition so what the hell would people know about Japan's magic power if they can't even watch it live? And if First High loses to another school from their OWN COUNTRY, how does that undermine the status of Japan's magicians? Like, would Manchester United losing against Arsenal somehow undermine England's football prowess? No, it wouldn't. Now, if the Magic Olympics was international (like the FIFA World Cup that's happening right now) then you could prolly argue about one school's loss undermining their own country's magical prowess. You say 9SC is like a training/recruitment ground, but entering these schools is based on metrics, is it not? It's not like the military where the metrics to determine that you're physically and mentally fit is relatively lax compared to say college applications. And if you wanted a display of power, you'd do it Cold War style with a live TV broadcast of you parading your army and military assets (tanks, artillery, ordnance stockpiles) in your capital to the fanfare of your citizens, not Magic Olympics. The US during their heyday also employed heavy use of power projection to prevent anyone from thinking about messing with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_projection |
Jun 16, 2014 1:24 PM
#166
wrenchbread said: millie10468 said: I said, "like" the Chinese Triads. I meant organized crime syndicates in general, not the Chinese Triads itself. And since when has a country been able to keep all activities of other country's criminals out of its country. Japan doesn't tolerate anything. It's as a result of this issue that they even realize that GAA had its claws that far up in the country. They do know that such international gangs are active in the country. They just didn't know exactly what they were doing. That implies that they had an eye on them, otherwise how would Kazama know to tell Tatsuya to be careful of No Head Dragon? As for why they let the public view the competition, there's a limit for the type of magic used in the competition. Tatsuya's battalion in this episode pointed out how he couldn't use certain A class magic even if he did compete. The magic in the 9SC is limited to basic magic sequences , magics just about everyone knows about, magic that isn't very dangerous, or magics below A class . For instance, Katsuto's family's Phalanx is a purely defensive magic and is allowed in the competition despite being A class. Masaki's family's magic, on the other hand, even though it's well known as A class , is a purely offensive, dangerous magic that can't even be used on a lower level, unlike Phalanx, and therefore not allowed in the competition. Furthermore, CADs are limited to generalized ones which lowers the competitors abilities to perform to the absolute best of their capabilities. In short, there are a lot of measures in place to ensure that the output in the competition is just enough to hint at a participant's potential and not the entirety of his/her repertoire. Why have a competition then if competitors don't get to go all out? Well, yes, it's a competition that acts sort of like a training and recruitment ground but it's also an opportunity for Japan to show off the level of its magicians as a way to deter other countries because everyone assumes that what is being shown is not nearly on the same level as those participants' real power. It's like giving the world just a taste of Japan's potential. Of course they aren't going to show everything they have, they'll keep certain things under wraps, hidden aces, if you will. Why is it a worthwhile venture for Ho Head? If First High fails when it was a foregone conclusion that they'd win, it could undermine the status of Japan's magicians in some sense. Plus it's money, which is always a huge motivator. They, as people from the GAA, get to kill two birds with one stone Considering the volatility of the world right now, you'd think they would've weeded out these criminal organizations already. The situation is like if there were terrorists doing their dealings in the US. They'd be caught with our intelligence network. In the Mahoukaverse, they can just send in some mages and they'd be done by lunchtime. They don't even livestream the competition so what the hell would people know about Japan's magic power if they can't even watch it live? And if First High loses to another school from their OWN COUNTRY, how does that undermine the status of Japan's magicians? Like, would Manchester United losing against Arsenal somehow undermine England's football prowess? No, it wouldn't. Now, if the Magic Olympics was international (like the FIFA World Cup that's happening right now) then you could prolly argue about one school's loss undermining their own country's magical prowess. You say 9SC is like a training/recruitment ground, but entering these schools is based on metrics, is it not? It's not like the military where the metrics to determine that you're physically and mentally fit is relatively lax compared to say college applications. And if you wanted a display of power, you'd do it Cold War style with a live TV broadcast of you parading your army and military assets (tanks, artillery, ordnance stockpiles) in your capital to the fanfare of your citizens, not Magic Olympics. The US during their heyday also employed heavy use of power projection to prevent anyone from thinking about messing with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_projection The competition is live-streamed. In fact, it has more live stream viewers than people who actually watch it in person. Maybe undermine Japan's status is too broad. It's definitely a problem, though, if those favored to win don't win. Especially when there are two 10MC children in the school. Let's put it like this, the presence of a descendant of the 10MC is enough to be able to guarantee the success of the school. It's a sign of just how strong and influential the 10MC is. If First High, with its two 10MCs, loses to even Third High(they have just one 10MC), it's enough to undermine the families of those clans. It becomes an issue later on when the competition is over because expected heirs of 10MC didn't do as well as expected. The power of the 10MC is supposed to be a very overwhelming thing. They won't tolerate being made to appear like they're weak, and that goes for their children who are something like the clan's representative in these competitions. The point you made about live broadcasts of parading an army is exactly one of the purposes of the competition. Don't forget that magic has become a HUGE deal in this world. It's the only thing currently that can change the tide of a war. Magicians single-handedly ended the war, like the first episode said. If magic had been present during the cold war, I'd think there'd be something like this to show off your country's magical prowess. The winner if the 9SC is the strongest school amongst the strongest schools. It effectively portrays the level of Japan's magicians, even if inaccurately. |
Jun 16, 2014 2:21 PM
#167
millie10468 said: The competition is live-streamed. In fact, it has more live stream viewers than people who actually watch it in person. Maybe undermine Japan's status is too broad. It's definitely a problem, though, if those favored to win don't win. Especially when there are two 10MC children in the school. Let's put it like this, the presence of a descendant of the 10MC is enough to be able to guarantee the success of the school. It's a sign of just how strong and influential the 10MC is. If First High, with its two 10MCs, loses to even Third High(they have just one 10MC), it's enough to undermine the families of those clans. It becomes an issue later on when the competition is over because expected heirs of 10MC didn't do as well as expected. The power of the 10MC is supposed to be a very overwhelming thing. They won't tolerate being made to appear like they're weak, and that goes for their children who are something like the clan's representative in these competitions. The point you made about live broadcasts of parading an army is exactly one of the purposes of the competition. Don't forget that magic has become a HUGE deal in this world. It's the only thing currently that can change the tide of a war. Magicians single-handedly ended the war, like the first episode said. If magic had been present during the cold war, I'd think there'd be something like this to show off your country's magical prowess. The winner if the 9SC is the strongest school amongst the strongest schools. It effectively portrays the level of Japan's magicians, even if inaccurately. It's not the same as parading your army, unless display of power now means sports events rather than letting the silhouette of your guns doing the talking. Right now we're watching a watered down magic that is used specifically for the Olympics, and this is just one country's participants. It'd be like trying to watch the North Korean Olympics. It's almost meaningless on its own because (1) it doesn't say anything about their military capabilities because what I'm seeing is people who are good at magical sports and not at magical warfare and (2) the students aren't military. It's like pointing to college students and saying they are the future and ignoring that the ones that are dictating the future at this very moment are the same ones in charge. What we should have is to make it international, so we can properly see the difference in power, otherwise it's an echo chamber for your own country. |
Jun 16, 2014 4:02 PM
#168
Venustas said: Putting aside the fact this anime isn't going anywhere: Why are the events separated by male and female? It's primarily a magic competition and none of the events seemed too physically taxing. Now that I think about it they probably just want it as an excuse to show all the cute anime girls as they never showed any of the male events. (Because super cool MC Tatsuya wasn't participating in any of them) Friend, there is a reason. Maybe not in the anime, but in the LN its stated that more as different genders are suited to different magics. Your reasoning is just ridiculous with a capital R. |
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Jun 16, 2014 4:24 PM
#169
wrenchbread said: millie10468 said: The competition is live-streamed. In fact, it has more live stream viewers than people who actually watch it in person. Maybe undermine Japan's status is too broad. It's definitely a problem, though, if those favored to win don't win. Especially when there are two 10MC children in the school. Let's put it like this, the presence of a descendant of the 10MC is enough to be able to guarantee the success of the school. It's a sign of just how strong and influential the 10MC is. If First High, with its two 10MCs, loses to even Third High(they have just one 10MC), it's enough to undermine the families of those clans. It becomes an issue later on when the competition is over because expected heirs of 10MC didn't do as well as expected. The power of the 10MC is supposed to be a very overwhelming thing. They won't tolerate being made to appear like they're weak, and that goes for their children who are something like the clan's representative in these competitions. The point you made about live broadcasts of parading an army is exactly one of the purposes of the competition. Don't forget that magic has become a HUGE deal in this world. It's the only thing currently that can change the tide of a war. Magicians single-handedly ended the war, like the first episode said. If magic had been present during the cold war, I'd think there'd be something like this to show off your country's magical prowess. The winner if the 9SC is the strongest school amongst the strongest schools. It effectively portrays the level of Japan's magicians, even if inaccurately. It's not the same as parading your army, unless display of power now means sports events rather than letting the silhouette of your guns doing the talking. Right now we're watching a watered down magic that is used specifically for the Olympics, and this is just one country's participants. It'd be like trying to watch the North Korean Olympics. It's almost meaningless on its own because (1) it doesn't say anything about their military capabilities because what I'm seeing is people who are good at magical sports and not at magical warfare and (2) the students aren't military. It's like pointing to college students and saying they are the future and ignoring that the ones that are dictating the future at this very moment are the same ones in charge. What we should have is to make it international, so we can properly see the difference in power, otherwise it's an echo chamber for your own country. I get your point but magic isn't exactly something that can be easily seen without some kind of demonstration, unlike the examples you gave like earlier parading your military. Magic is inherently a private thing in Mahoukaverse. Heck, they even have rules about how to go about ascertaining someone's magic type. And it really isn't like they want to reveal every single magic the country has so the competition is an adequate venue for showing some but not all of an individual's magic. As for your number 1 point, it's true that the magical sports aren't equivalent to magical warfare and this is addressed in the current volume where severe changes were made to the type of events in the 9SC. However, even before those changes, what people saw at the competition wasn't magician soldiers ready for the battlefield but potential magician soldiers who have to be prepared extensively if and when they enter the military. The assumption about the 9SC is that these are the people who will sometime in the future contribute to Japan's military might. It's definitely important to check it how and see how promising or not promising the future is going to be. of course, no one assumes the kids in these competition are going to be part of the military immediately but it gives the country a starting point in training them. |
Jun 16, 2014 4:24 PM
#170
MagicianX26 said: Venustas said: Putting aside the fact this anime isn't going anywhere: Why are the events separated by male and female? It's primarily a magic competition and none of the events seemed too physically taxing. Now that I think about it they probably just want it as an excuse to show all the cute anime girls as they never showed any of the male events. (Because super cool MC Tatsuya wasn't participating in any of them) Friend, there is a reason. Maybe not in the anime, but in the LN its stated that more as different genders are suited to different magics. Your reasoning is just ridiculous with a capital R. Yeah, not really. He's perfectly right to ask the same question as I did, cause a gender separation that in the context of Mahoukaverse has seemingly no justification should have been cleared up. Also thx for the bit of explanation Aria, even though it was clearly the writer's job to tell us that. |
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Jun 16, 2014 4:37 PM
#171
In addition to Aria's explanation, this is actually the first year that the competition has been separated by gender. Previously, the freshmen competed together with the others in the Official Divisionso it wasn't as difficult to win with a commanding lead. This year, however, with the lack of good engineers and the competition separated, the team has to micromanage every single thing in the competition if they want to win with a lead like they did twice before. This is because while the Newcomers are good collectively, they're not as strong individually. Plus even in the Official Division, it's only a few magicians like Mayumi, Katsuto, Mari, Hattori among a very few others who can be guaranteed to win their matches. All this contributes to a pretty tense situation when the boys didn't do as well as expected. Now the Newcomer's Division has to pick up the slack and no one is sure the division is up to it... and that's why they were worried. Without the context, I can see how it would seem like they were nitpicking about a guaranteed win. |
Jun 16, 2014 5:13 PM
#172
millie10468 said: wrenchbread said: millie10468 said: The competition is live-streamed. In fact, it has more live stream viewers than people who actually watch it in person. Maybe undermine Japan's status is too broad. It's definitely a problem, though, if those favored to win don't win. Especially when there are two 10MC children in the school. Let's put it like this, the presence of a descendant of the 10MC is enough to be able to guarantee the success of the school. It's a sign of just how strong and influential the 10MC is. If First High, with its two 10MCs, loses to even Third High(they have just one 10MC), it's enough to undermine the families of those clans. It becomes an issue later on when the competition is over because expected heirs of 10MC didn't do as well as expected. The power of the 10MC is supposed to be a very overwhelming thing. They won't tolerate being made to appear like they're weak, and that goes for their children who are something like the clan's representative in these competitions. The point you made about live broadcasts of parading an army is exactly one of the purposes of the competition. Don't forget that magic has become a HUGE deal in this world. It's the only thing currently that can change the tide of a war. Magicians single-handedly ended the war, like the first episode said. If magic had been present during the cold war, I'd think there'd be something like this to show off your country's magical prowess. The winner if the 9SC is the strongest school amongst the strongest schools. It effectively portrays the level of Japan's magicians, even if inaccurately. It's not the same as parading your army, unless display of power now means sports events rather than letting the silhouette of your guns doing the talking. Right now we're watching a watered down magic that is used specifically for the Olympics, and this is just one country's participants. It'd be like trying to watch the North Korean Olympics. It's almost meaningless on its own because (1) it doesn't say anything about their military capabilities because what I'm seeing is people who are good at magical sports and not at magical warfare and (2) the students aren't military. It's like pointing to college students and saying they are the future and ignoring that the ones that are dictating the future at this very moment are the same ones in charge. What we should have is to make it international, so we can properly see the difference in power, otherwise it's an echo chamber for your own country. I get your point but magic isn't exactly something that can be easily seen without some kind of demonstration, unlike the examples you gave like earlier parading your military. Magic is inherently a private thing in Mahoukaverse. Heck, they even have rules about how to go about ascertaining someone's magic type. And it really isn't like they want to reveal every single magic the country has so the competition is an adequate venue for showing some but not all of an individual's magic. As for your number 1 point, it's true that the magical sports aren't equivalent to magical warfare and this is addressed in the current volume where severe changes were made to the type of events in the 9SC. However, even before those changes, what people saw at the competition wasn't magician soldiers ready for the battlefield but potential magician soldiers who have to be prepared extensively if and when they enter the military. The assumption about the 9SC is that these are the people who will sometime in the future contribute to Japan's military might. It's definitely important to check it how and see how promising or not promising the future is going to be. of course, no one assumes the kids in these competition are going to be part of the military immediately but it gives the country a starting point in training them. My point is that no one should view the 9SC as a display of power because (1) sports =/= warfare, (2) the magic they choose to show is so watered down and non-representative, (3) it's an echo chamber (read: propaganda) for Japan itself, and (4) promotes classism (since the families has all the nice genes). |
Jun 16, 2014 6:08 PM
#173
I kind of have to agree with the sentiment that this episode was astonishingly flat for supposedly being the big tournament and a defining experience for the cast. I mean they talk about how it's Mayumi's swan song as a competitor at this tournament and then she does well and that's it, no reflection or anything to say about it. We don't even see the male side of the competition and then just really briefly see Mari as well and then most of the episode just focuses on Tatsuya meeting with his major from the army except nothing really happens their either. It's not really unfair to say pretty much nothing of significance happens in this episode despite the fact I don't feel that was supposed to be the attention. Really curious to see if next week manages to bring anything else because at this point I'm kind of ready to join the choruses of "Come on already". If nothing significant starts happening soon in this arc I might have to start contemplating dropping it because while it's not a bad show at this rate I'm just not seeing the point of continuing it....just again really bizarre how flat and uninspired it's coming across. I'm not angry or anything, just really puzzled. |
Jun 16, 2014 6:10 PM
#174
MagicianX26 said: how is his reasoning ridiculous when the anime doesn't mention shit? it just throws things in your face and expects you to deal with it and not ask questions.Venustas said: Putting aside the fact this anime isn't going anywhere: Why are the events separated by male and female? It's primarily a magic competition and none of the events seemed too physically taxing. Now that I think about it they probably just want it as an excuse to show all the cute anime girls as they never showed any of the male events. (Because super cool MC Tatsuya wasn't participating in any of them) Friend, there is a reason. Maybe not in the anime, but in the LN its stated that more as different genders are suited to different magics. Your reasoning is just ridiculous with a capital R. |
Jun 16, 2014 6:53 PM
#175
Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm not angry or anything, just really puzzled. That I think is the universal sentiment. It's not that I want to hate this show, far from it should be something I like, but everything about the adaption is just plain flat. It's almost as if the adapters, knowing Tatsuya's condition, wanted to make a show that depicts the world as he would see it. So no excitement, no tension, just okay this is happening next this happens, then that. This would explain the flat art style as well (by flat I mean a total lack of shadows which provide depth, we talked about this over on the sensei thread). This episode was the first episode where they really made a big deal about Tatsuya's emotions being off, they did it in the stands, and when the student council president talked with him. When I watched the episode I first thought "why did they wait 11 episodes to do that, they should have done it earlier". I mentioned six episodes or so ago that they should have made the supporting characters more interesting in order to highlight that there was something wrong with Tatsuya, but that they finally pulled it out now made me wonder. Maybe that is the point. They wanted to make that the main theme of the first season. So far from being dull, it is actually building up to something? Impossible? I am beginning to think maybe not. Now of course bad writing is a better explanation than what I proposed, and everyone knows I have been questioning this from near the beginning. But over the past couple of weeks I have been having this growing, nagging feeling that this is being done deliberately. It is just too prevalent on too many levels (art, story, plotting, action), so prevalent that either we are watching one of the worst adaptions in history, or something else. I am rooting for something else. I finally figured out something I can hope for in this show. |
Jun 16, 2014 7:06 PM
#176
Takuan_Soho said: That I think is the universal sentiment. It's not that I want to hate this show, far from it should be something I like, but everything about the adaption is just plain flat. It's almost as if the adapters, knowing Tatsuya's condition, wanted to make a show that depicts the world as he would see it. So no excitement, no tension, just okay this is happening next this happens, then that. This would explain the flat art style as well (by flat I mean a total lack of shadows which provide depth, we talked about this over on the sensei thread). This episode was the first episode where they really made a big deal about Tatsuya's emotions being off, they did it in the stands, and when the student council president talked with him. When I watched the episode I first thought "why did they wait 11 episodes to do that, they should have done it earlier". I mentioned six episodes or so ago that they should have made the supporting characters more interesting in order to highlight that there was something wrong with Tatsuya, but that they finally pulled it out now made me wonder. Maybe that is the point. They wanted to make that the main theme of the first season. So far from being dull, it is actually building up to something? Impossible? I am beginning to think maybe not. Now of course bad writing is a better explanation than what I proposed, and everyone knows I have been questioning this from near the beginning. But over the past couple of weeks I have been having this growing, nagging feeling that this is being done deliberately. It is just too prevalent on too many levels (art, story, plotting, action), so prevalent that either we are watching one of the worst adaptions in history, or something else. I am rooting for something else. I finally figured out something I can hope for in this show. Deep inside I really want them pull a Spec Ops: The Line-style meta twist. It will automatically redeem the entire anime for me. |
Jun 16, 2014 7:34 PM
#177
wrenchbread said: Deep inside I really want them pull a Spec Ops: The Line-style meta twist. It will automatically redeem the entire anime for me. Well, using Occam's razor bad scenario writing would be the most likely reason, but this is the second week in a row where finally I started to imagine that there is something moving behind the curtains. For me that is what I primarily want, something that at least gets me to start imagining how things are going to turn out, this show until now has been remarkably lacking in this quality. But now at least, I have a lens through which to spin a positive scenario. That makes me happy. I should add that I have been spectacularly wrong before in doing this, I have often (Gallieli Donna being a prime example) imagined great things that were never in the story, so likewise I could really be off on this show, but I would rather watch with hope than watch with a "god how the hell did a scenario writer get paid to create this crap" feeling. But like Akagi no Anne, as long as I can imagine something, what the story actually does cannot take away from the shiver I feel when I can interpret something with some originality. |
Jun 16, 2014 7:48 PM
#178
Man, Saegusa (?) didnt just leave her opponent in the dust, she friggin left her at the starting line! And Tatsuya's personality is really bugging me. Is he actually INCAPABLE of a personality or does he just keep a tight reign on emotions? |
Jun 16, 2014 7:58 PM
#179
About the "gamble" discussion on the previous page: Who in the right mind would bet for First High losing? |
Jun 16, 2014 8:15 PM
#180
Does Tatsuya have feelings or interests for Mayumi? He seems indifferent when around her.I know she's trying to get Tatsuya to notice her. While other girls not so much. Awesome the girls are winning the competition flawlessly!!! Mayyumi <3 Perftect score. Dat ice breaking pillar. Hope to see an opponent who isn't wearing some sort of vizor. Can't wait to see Tatsuya face Masaki. Gonna be awesome!!!!! |
Jun 17, 2014 1:48 AM
#181
Orix said: About the "gamble" discussion on the previous page: Who in the right mind would bet for First High losing? Actually, noone in there right mind would do it. They have 2 contestants from the Master Clans + Mari, and have dominated the last 2 years in a row. But that is why betting on someone other than 1st High would wield exceptionally better return rates. So if only one could rig the competition... |
Jun 17, 2014 3:41 AM
#182
Which would fail spectacularly because we're talking about Tatsuya here. |
Jun 17, 2014 5:38 AM
#183
Asturaetus said: Actually, noone in there right mind would do it. They have 2 contestants from the Master Clans + Mari, and have dominated the last 2 years in a row. But that is why betting on someone other than 1st High would wield exceptionally better return rates. So if only one could rig the competition... Orix said: Which would fail spectacularly because we're talking about Tatsuya here. If that's their goal, they'll need a better plan than using half-assed suicide attack on a bus full of magicians. Make it an accident or not, that's a lame way for a crime syndicate to do something bad. I actually pitied the fool who have to do that suicide attack as ordered, really. |
Jun 17, 2014 7:11 AM
#184
Just three non-magical intruders with some firearms trying to assault building full of super duper magicians? Seriously? So Tatsuya & friends will now be fighting someone even more stupid than Blanche? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Jun 17, 2014 8:35 AM
#185
Tough luck being Mayumi's opponent. I felt that in Speed Ball, they could have at least held the 3 balls in their court and fire them in 3 areas at once though (if possible). Much better than shooting into a brick wall. Overall a slow episode. Things pick up in the Monolith Code event |
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Jun 17, 2014 12:23 PM
#186
forgiuse said: Asturaetus said: Actually, noone in there right mind would do it. They have 2 contestants from the Master Clans + Mari, and have dominated the last 2 years in a row. But that is why betting on someone other than 1st High would wield exceptionally better return rates. So if only one could rig the competition... Orix said: Which would fail spectacularly because we're talking about Tatsuya here. If that's their goal, they'll need a better plan than using half-assed suicide attack on a bus full of magicians. Make it an accident or not, that's a lame way for a crime syndicate to do something bad. I actually pitied the fool who have to do that suicide attack as ordered, really. As a matter of fact, if Tatsuya wasn't there that suicide attack would've most likely worked. It was only because Tatsuya cancelled their hectic use of magic that they were able to stop the car. Also, thanks for explanation on previous page. This show did a horrible job at explaining stuff and this threads and pms are my main source of informations of why things happen. |
Jun 18, 2014 6:27 AM
#187
nina4life said: forgiuse said: Asturaetus said: Actually, noone in there right mind would do it. They have 2 contestants from the Master Clans + Mari, and have dominated the last 2 years in a row. But that is why betting on someone other than 1st High would wield exceptionally better return rates. So if only one could rig the competition... Orix said: Which would fail spectacularly because we're talking about Tatsuya here. If that's their goal, they'll need a better plan than using half-assed suicide attack on a bus full of magicians. Make it an accident or not, that's a lame way for a crime syndicate to do something bad. I actually pitied the fool who have to do that suicide attack as ordered, really. As a matter of fact, if Tatsuya wasn't there that suicide attack would've most likely worked. It was only because Tatsuya cancelled their hectic use of magic that they were able to stop the car. Also, thanks for explanation on previous page. This show did a horrible job at explaining stuff and this threads and pms are my main source of informations of why things happen. U r lucky... the fanbase s small, but devoted. That aside, I have partially given up on this adaptation. (The extended incest scenes...) |
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Jun 18, 2014 6:34 AM
#188
That aside, is sad that Mahouka's adaptation is fked up. The anime has been unable to explain anything about the universe in greater detail, which causes the fans having to sort out things for those interested in the series. The animation seems to be pandering the incest scenes, dropping a HUGE amt of character development and scene setting, especially Tatsuya's. Which is sad considering the series was originally a web novel and got upgraded to physical status. Even seeing the characters animated has not pacifyed my anger as a fanboy. |
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Jun 18, 2014 7:08 AM
#189
MagicianX26 said: Which is sad considering the series was originally a web novel and got upgraded to physical status. Even seeing the characters animated has not pacifyed my anger as a fanboy. When I see a very poor adaption, it reminds me of the episode of OreImou where the scenario writer wants to change everything about Kirino's story until Kuroneko points his condescension wasn't professional, either to the writer or to himself. That is what I feel with web to novel adaptions. It is like the scenario writers are jealous of these "amateurs" success and so they just superficially translate the material, not change or adapt it, but just boil away all the things that made it popular (humor primarily) to the less common and least desired denominators. At the same time they don't change anything, so should the show fail, the scenario writer can claim "Don't blame me I stuck to the source material". |
Jun 18, 2014 11:58 AM
#190
Finally found the time to watch this episode. I'm not going to make any comments about how they adapted it or whatever. I'm just going to state what I figured out from this episode based purely from the perspective that I have not yet read the LN up to this point: 1.) Mikihiko suffered an accident one year prior which caused him to lose his ability to use his magic to the best of his abilities, pretty much that his magic sequences have been slowed down somehow. This is probably why he's been placed in the Weeds class. Despite this, his abilities are powerful enough to detect and take down three armed infiltrators. For some reason he basically stunned them with lightning, which I find kind of strange because in the last episode he explained to glasses girl and Tatsuya that his medium was water....? 2.) Tatsuya is a part of a military unit. In fact, it's finally been revealed that he is a Strategic Class Magician with an alias of Special Officer Ryuuya Ooguro. We find out that he has three specific abilities which all his military buddies are gushing over (Flash cast, Material Burst and Mist Dispersion in particular). We know that his Military buddies know that he's half of Taurus Silver. I don't know who the tea lady is but she seems pretty hot, and the fact that she can spew out military secrets in that room with the rest of those big-wigs means that she's probably pretty important in the military setup as well (probably the Major's secretary?). We know that all Tatsuya's abilities are OP enough that they would be banned from the games. 3.) We figure that Honoka has a thing for Tatsuya. I'm pleasantly surprised that Miyuki didn't freeze her butt for the frivolous complaint that Tatsuya didn't look her way. Tatsuya himself is acting a bit dense (or he actually is dense, though considering his OP-ness I highly doubt it). His friends have all pretty much accepted that he's a weirdo with little to no emotions and are no longer surprised at his reactions to whatever they say to him anymore. That said, Mayumi has also done quite a bit to attract Tatsuya's attention. That talk about not having a little brother seems a bit forced. I still don't know whether she's teasing him because she's stressed, or whether she genuinely has some romantic interest in him and is enjoying the banter. 4.) Miyuki has a serious case of bro-con. The fact that she took his simple statement the wrong way and got hyped up about it pretty much sealed the deal (though it was probably certified as early as the first episode). Apparently a four star military hotel is still too dangerous for one of the most powerful first year magicians to walk around in. Their lack of confidence in military personnel and facilities is borderline criminal. 5.) Then on to the Nine School's Competition. First we find out that so long as Tatsuya doesn't use his abilities directly on opponents, he can pretty much still play in the NSC. Second we find out that First School has been winning overall for the past two years and are expected to reign supreme once again, with the only competition coming from Third School for some reason. It's unfortunate that we don't really see that in the episode because basically Mayumi, Mari and Kanon are wiping the floor with the competition. Third, we find that a member of the engineer team, Kinoshita apparently has some issues in tweaking the boy's team's CADs, causing them not to win as easily as they should be doing. That said, they're still winning/progressing well, and Hanzo is in the semi-finals for the Battle Board event. We don't actually see any of the boys competition since apparently Tatsuya exclusively tweaks girl's CADs. The other engineer, Izumi also has issues with Tatsuya (Weed prejudice?). Fourth, I really didn't get the Crowd Ball thingy. All I saw were three balls flying at Mayumi and being repelled before they even crossed the net to her side. If anything it reminded me of a batting center practice or something. The other three games are pretty much explanatory, but can someone please explain to me how the Crowd Ball game is suppose to be played? Fifth, First school is pretty much killing the competition. The chart they had showed First School with 170 points, the second placed school with 80 points, third place had 65 points, etc. In fact First school is so OP that, even with the loss in Crowd Ball, it only needs 4 wins out of the last 6 competitions for the senior team to have a buffer for winning the Overall Title? The first year's competition apparently only accounts for half the points of the senior competition. Normally this wouldn't even be relevant to First School. However, because of the senior boys team's mistakes, they still need the first years not to do too badly to win the title overall. Basically the rest of the schools are playing catch-up, and unless Third school completely dominates in the first year matches, I don't really see any way for them to come back and win the thing. 6.) Lastly, Taurus Silver invented a new weaponized integrated CAD (which looks like a short sword), the use of which is currently unknown, but Tatsuya previously stated it is pretty much a toy, and is letting Leo do the honor of testing it out. Hrm... I guess that's pretty much all I got from this episode. Anything I missed out was probably LN only, methinks. Not that I should know beforehand of course.... |
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Jun 18, 2014 4:10 PM
#191
L-Ryoshi said: Finally found the time to watch this episode. I'm not going to make any comments about how they adapted it or whatever. I'm just going to state what I figured out from this episode based purely from the perspective that I have not yet read the LN up to this point: 1.) Mikihiko suffered an accident one year prior which caused him to lose his ability to use his magic to the best of his abilities, pretty much that his magic sequences have been slowed down somehow. This is probably why he's been placed in the Weeds class. Despite this, his abilities are powerful enough to detect and take down three armed infiltrators. For some reason he basically stunned them with lightning, which I find kind of strange because in the last episode he explained to glasses girl and Tatsuya that his medium was water....? 2.) Tatsuya is a part of a military unit. In fact, it's finally been revealed that he is a Strategic Class Magician with an alias of Special Officer Ryuuya Ooguro. We find out that he has three specific abilities which all his military buddies are gushing over (Flash cast, Material Burst and Mist Dispersion in particular). We know that his Military buddies know that he's half of Taurus Silver. I don't know who the tea lady is but she seems pretty hot, and the fact that she can spew out military secrets in that room with the rest of those big-wigs means that she's probably pretty important in the military setup as well (probably the Major's secretary?). We know that all Tatsuya's abilities are OP enough that they would be banned from the games. 3.) We figure that Honoka has a thing for Tatsuya. I'm pleasantly surprised that Miyuki didn't freeze her butt for the frivolous complaint that Tatsuya didn't look her way. Tatsuya himself is acting a bit dense (or he actually is dense, though considering his OP-ness I highly doubt it). His friends have all pretty much accepted that he's a weirdo with little to no emotions and are no longer surprised at his reactions to whatever they say to him anymore. That said, Mayumi has also done quite a bit to attract Tatsuya's attention. That talk about not having a little brother seems a bit forced. I still don't know whether she's teasing him because she's stressed, or whether she genuinely has some romantic interest in him and is enjoying the banter. 4.) Miyuki has a serious case of bro-con. The fact that she took his simple statement the wrong way and got hyped up about it pretty much sealed the deal (though it was probably certified as early as the first episode). Apparently a four star military hotel is still too dangerous for one of the most powerful first year magicians to walk around in. Their lack of confidence in military personnel and facilities is borderline criminal. 5.) Then on to the Nine School's Competition. First we find out that so long as Tatsuya doesn't use his abilities directly on opponents, he can pretty much still play in the NSC. Second we find out that First School has been winning overall for the past two years and are expected to reign supreme once again, with the only competition coming from Third School for some reason. It's unfortunate that we don't really see that in the episode because basically Mayumi, Mari and Kanon are wiping the floor with the competition. Third, we find that a member of the engineer team, Kinoshita apparently has some issues in tweaking the boy's team's CADs, causing them not to win as easily as they should be doing. That said, they're still winning/progressing well, and Hanzo is in the semi-finals for the Battle Board event. We don't actually see any of the boys competition since apparently Tatsuya exclusively tweaks girl's CADs. The other engineer, Izumi also has issues with Tatsuya (Weed prejudice?). Fourth, I really didn't get the Crowd Ball thingy. All I saw were three balls flying at Mayumi and being repelled before they even crossed the net to her side. If anything it reminded me of a batting center practice or something. The other three games are pretty much explanatory, but can someone please explain to me how the Crowd Ball game is suppose to be played? Fifth, First school is pretty much killing the competition. The chart they had showed First School with 170 points, the second placed school with 80 points, third place had 65 points, etc. In fact First school is so OP that, even with the loss in Crowd Ball, it only needs 4 wins out of the last 6 competitions for the senior team to have a buffer for winning the Overall Title? The first year's competition apparently only accounts for half the points of the senior competition. Normally this wouldn't even be relevant to First School. However, because of the senior boys team's mistakes, they still need the first years not to do too badly to win the title overall. Basically the rest of the schools are playing catch-up, and unless Third school completely dominates in the first year matches, I don't really see any way for them to come back and win the thing. 6.) Lastly, Taurus Silver invented a new weaponized integrated CAD (which looks like a short sword), the use of which is currently unknown, but Tatsuya previously stated it is pretty much a toy, and is letting Leo do the honor of testing it out. Hrm... I guess that's pretty much all I got from this episode. Anything I missed out was probably LN only, methinks. Not that I should know beforehand of course.... Crowd Ball "Crowd Ball Amongst the Players, this game is called [Crowd]. A 6 centimeter diameter foam ball is shot into the competition area using compressed air. Players compete by using a racket or magic to force the ball to hit the opponent's court. 1 set lasts 3 minutes, and a ball is shot into the court, covered in a transparent box, every 20 seconds, leading to 9 balls being on the court simultaneously. Women have 3 sets per match while Men have 5 sets." (Taken from the very beginning of Vol 4) Image probably isn't necessary but whatever With Izumi, I believe it was more about pride rather than prejudice And with Kinoshita maintaining Hattori's CAD - Hattori had taken a blow to his self-confidence (after the failed suicide attack) and I believe that the user's mental state has to also be considered when messing around with any CAD stuff. (From memory I think this is what was said in the LN) |
SandyBoiJun 18, 2014 4:13 PM
Jun 19, 2014 6:33 AM
#192
Sorry, but boring =/ |
Jun 19, 2014 6:05 PM
#194
If the tournament is boring then, I wonder when will the intruders will crash the festival and cancel it completely, bring in the dangers and the magic school students shows their true colors. |
Jun 19, 2014 6:59 PM
#195
Jun 21, 2014 7:35 AM
#198
Talking expositions, blandest mc i've ever seen, crazy brocon - could this series get any worse? Not gonna drop..I want to see where they'll go with this. And don't call me out on bitching on this thread, I'm doing it because i freaking can. And because this anime needs and deserves some insults. Seriously, couldn't they atleast have let one character other than Tatsuya have the spotlight for once? Even SAO was better. |
DeigerJun 21, 2014 7:39 AM
- My creativity is plummeting. - |
Jun 30, 2014 5:30 AM
#200
A lot happened and explanations coming from Tatsuya and praising Mikihiko was nice Cool tournament with those modern magic The gun tennis looked a bit weird, I liked the pillar break match Mayumi is such a tease with Tatsuya and Miyuki getting all excited around him at his room was a fun watch |
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