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May 4, 2020 9:59 AM
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Nice friendship story Mommy Dearest is on the horizon
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I'm falling in love with this anime more and more each week. Catarina is such a unique main character! I freaking love her!

I thought I would dislike Maria but nope, I love her as well! Her back story was pretty generic but it still hit me hard! Very nice episode.



Also Catarina reactions give me life! <3
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May 4, 2020 10:56 AM

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Ahhhh Katarina-chan, you're really cute afk!!
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May 4, 2020 12:01 PM
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When the mom went into the closet to grab the cookie cutter, it had a rope right in the center of the screen and I legit thought she was going to hang herself.
May 4, 2020 12:34 PM
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This show is pure genius
May 4, 2020 4:49 PM
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Damn, I feel bad for Maria this episode. The other girls are literally bullying her but luckly, Katarina came to help to her. What a badass. I'm just glad Maria has friends that supports her.

Katarina really came prepared to work with her glasses and outfit. She's really living the otome game style life. Maria also seems to have a very normal family.

Very normal family yes, but not exactly the ideal family. Seems to be a Naruto-like past.

Both Maria and Katarina are lucky. After seeing Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku, and other similar manga where the “heroine” isn’t exactly the ideal girl, I think Katarina is lucky that Maria is an angelic girl she is supposed to be.

On the side note, Maria’s mom is gorgeous. If this was a hentai, or at least an Adult anime, I would have wanted Keith to flirt with Maria and her mom to have a HOT moment with them.
May 5, 2020 4:48 AM

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Oh, I thought Maria actually spent money in buying sweets to please the other students... her mother's reaction really made me think she had no clue her daughter was making sweets. Fortunately she had simply decided to apply her previous recipe so all cool. She deserves to be happy !
May 5, 2020 5:08 AM

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Another great episode. Seeing the character dynamics between Maria and Bakarina are great. I'm glad Maria was developed past the confines of a Mary-Sue archetype.

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May 5, 2020 2:59 PM

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Maria really had a hard life until now, wow ... (and Katarina in the game was one of the reasons lol)

LOL i'm sure Katarina regrets her decision to visit her home, mom is scary :v
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May 5, 2020 8:35 PM

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Until now, just as i thought from the 1st episode, this show is sole based in the same joke where the girl with a golden heart is sooo afraid with her "vilain" fate that is not noticing how she is helping her friends and becoming the heroine loved and worshiped by everyone around.

Probably the next step will be the competition among the boys / girls for the heart of Kat, who is dense like titanium.

Would be weird to see Kat choose any of her friends to be her soulmate after all. My guess - pleaaaase dont spoil - is that in the end she is going to die saving her friends and finally realizes that she become the heroine... But its time of her friends (pretendents) save her too.

Turn an otome romance anime in a "nakama" would be the ultimate trollage.
May 5, 2020 9:00 PM

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Btw, in the race for Kat's heart, who is closer and who is far!

0 to 1, Where 1 is it happening:



Keith: 0,2 - although he is the one with more intimacy and sharing time, it is also reinforcing Kat's image of him as just brother and family.

Geordo: 0,1 - he was the 1st to take initiative, but he is also the only evil personality among them and biggest candidate of becoming a vilain who wi try to force Kat to choose him.

Alan: 0,1 - Kat is completely away from him, and never sees him as cute or charming.

Nicol: 0,2 - she acknowledge him as very charming and its power is stronh enough to even shake her a bit.

Mary: 0,0 - become a supporting char.

Sofia: 0,0 - the same

Maria: 0,3 - the only girl or person that still makes Kat's eyes to shine, and her bonds increased a lot.
May 5, 2020 9:17 PM

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I feel bad for Maria and for the sad past she had, but thankfully now she has Katarina xD
This anime just keeps surprising me even more.

And i wonder what kind of love the other girls feel for her xD Would be pretty funny if after changing the routes of all characters, she would become everyone's crush xD

I hope her magic will get better, and this whole farming thing will develop into something more.
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May 6, 2020 7:06 AM
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Maria X Katarina :)

I love almost all of the romance rivals and don't want anybody to be left ou :(
May 6, 2020 4:46 PM
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Otome Game(and Utatte) might actually carry this season for me... just found this show and I'm glad I did.
Also very happy Catarina grew up, adults stuck in younger bodies don't appeal to me.
May 7, 2020 12:46 AM

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redcobra said:
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Is Bakarina the weakest Isekai MC in existence?


You forgot re zero Subaru heh ?


Not to mention the fact that while her magic might be weak (likely because she didn't train it properly), she has been practicing swordsmanship for nearly a decade. Still, Subaru does have life or death experience which is arguably more valuable.

But the real answer is that Katarina will just befriend anyone that tries to hurt her. Not even Nanoha can stand up to that, I mean she has to pummel her enemies before they become her friends. Katarina just needs to be in the area.

Meriu said:
Otome Game(and Utatte) might actually carry this season for me... just found this show and I'm glad I did.
Also very happy Catarina grew up, adults stuck in younger bodies don't appeal to me.


Well, she has the mind of someone who has lived 32 years so if you reeeeeaallly think about it, she's hanging out with and unintentionally wooing people less than half her age. Even if you're more lenient on her younger years as Katarina (because who remembers the first few years of life anyway), she still has quite a few years on everyone around her. I don't think it comes off as weird or anything, just saying if one was going to nitpick...
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Blergh.
May 7, 2020 8:06 AM

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Quite a sweet episode. First half was funny as usual, but the second half was where it really was this episode.

Maria's backstory is sad. Just because she's talented and it's uncommon for commoners to have light magic, they think she's the illegitimate daughter of a noble. Imagine having her legitimate parents hear that, being accused that their daughter is the result of an affair. And then they bully and discriminate against her because of that? Even IF she were an illegitimate daughter, it's not her fault either. There is literally no valid basis for their bullying.

Glad Catarina's there for Maria. She shouldn't worry about death flags at this point. As someone said on a previous episode's forum, it's more likely they'll kill each other for her than they will kill her for each other lol. And Catarina's presence has basically made everyone better people (except maybe Gerald, still not sure about that guy). Maria now has such a caring friend.

Catarina's mere presence has affected even Maria's family's life. Her mother can be happy again seeing that her daughter isn't suffering as much as she did, having someone who really cares for her genuinely! More serious than usual, but I really liked it. It was sweet and I got water in my eyes a bit.

I wonder though, what happened to Maria's father? It seems he disappeared from her backstory after the rumours spread. Did he leave? Or did he die?

Ah, I just picked this up yesterday and now I can't wait for the next one!
May 7, 2020 11:04 AM

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Huh, I guess they changed the scene a bit, by changing the timing when Katarina asks Keith for advice. Katarina asking for advice is what caused Maria to be saved from the girls, and Keith is nowhere in sight. Interesting change, or maybe it wasn't obvious in the manga?

Fun episode as usual. Katarina x Maria for life xD
May 7, 2020 11:24 AM

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What happened to Maria's Father??


He probably started believing those rumors of Maria being an illegitimate child of a noble and run out on his family.
May 7, 2020 2:31 PM

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Bakarina the queen of Harem uwu
May 7, 2020 4:55 PM

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Ah... A girl who rivals male harem protagonists in their absolute density. Amazing. I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow ruined all of her relationships herself and drove herself down the bad end in this accidental harem she's created for herself. Loving this anime so far.
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May 7, 2020 6:18 PM

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Catarina talking in her sleep was adorable.

Poor Maria didn't deserve that treatment. At least she has Catarina now.

Catarina getting caught by her mother at the was too funny! I loved her final scream of terror lol
May 9, 2020 1:26 PM

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Bakarina the queen of Harem uwu


I imagine how all these people explode along with their expectations when they see whose ship is really the main thing in this title. Excessive expectations are the worst thing to shipping.
May 9, 2020 9:26 PM

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i thought they were about to hit us with the plot twist that Maria buys her sweets and pretends that she makes them
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May 10, 2020 5:35 AM

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Maria got a hard life when she was a kid because of her magic, I am glad now she have Catarina as friend.
May 11, 2020 7:37 AM

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Everyone loves Katarina ❤️ I can't blame them, Katarina is lovely ❤️ I like her too!!

Poor Maria! But where's her father? He suddenly vanished from the story.
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May 14, 2020 4:14 PM

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I couldn't, not nico nico at that ending


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May 20, 2020 3:57 PM

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Omfg Katarina's scream at the end was fucking hilarious


Poor Maria too, lots of BS her and her mom had to deal with.
May 25, 2020 10:31 PM

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absolutely. fucking. WHOLESOME. This is all i can say about this episode. Something about this anime just makes me smile so much, idk how to explain it. I guess it's kinda like the feeling of going back in time to any embarrassing moment in your life and preventing it/changing it in some way. Like that one time at school, were a girl in your class waved across the room to, what you presume was you, so you smiled and waved back but it was actually to her friend next to you and now you've had to double guess everything for the rest of your life.
But jokes aside, i love how they explained Maria's past to us, kinda makes the original story more sadder and this alternate story much much brighter.
Good guy Keith, legit Katarina's caretaker i swear, but honestly i don't know what she would do without him xD
also is it safe to say, Katarina is literally saying to Maria at this point "the only way to prevent you from having a love relationship with the male protagonists is if I start a love relationship with you first *smug intensify*" and basically dibs her.
ending was QUALITY. Katarina's face was fucking funny af
May 31, 2020 3:42 PM

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I am truly liking the interactions between Katarina and Maria.
Jun 3, 2020 2:28 PM
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Maria's backstory is really sad, with being judged for being different, and having no friends growing up. But I'm happy now that Catarina is there for her and cheer her up. It was a bit ominous when her mother went into the shed, but its was just a feint - it was only to get come cookie cutters.
Hopefully Maria, and her mother can become closer again.
Jun 9, 2020 1:33 PM
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Katarina vs Maria in the makings!!

Another chill and loveable episode from our Bakarina~~
Jun 13, 2020 4:50 PM
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Catarina so sweet and such a air head. I am surprise catarina didn't set the town girls straight and that reunion with catarina's mother at the end hilarious
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Jun 20, 2020 10:17 AM

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At this point things are going so well that I'm beginning to doubt whether it's even possible for everything to fall apart. Will those really be just 12 episodes of pure wholesomeness? Well, I wouldn't exactly mind that. :D
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Jun 22, 2020 4:14 PM
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Its understandable while all girls loved Catarina. Who would not love her? Lol at Catarina's threaten face, its hilarious rather than creepy to me. Ah, Maria's with Saori VAing her really fitted well. I was glad to listen her soothing sound, its so relaxable.

Maria's past part really touched my heart. Its nice to had seen Maria and her mom reconciliated again, such a sweet moment there. Ah, Catarina, i guessed you need to prevent the flag dead over your mom instead any other characters. Because, yeah, its obvious that only your mom could be the real threat so far at your entire life. Lmao, Catarina missed her but revealed her disguise really served as a good laugh to me. Nice Catarina, nice!
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Jun 24, 2020 12:40 PM
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I feel bad for Maria, but I feel like this story is going too Yuri. I think we should have more time spent on the guys actually developing romantic chemistry, that goes both ways, with Caterina... just to make things fair.
Jun 24, 2020 12:43 PM
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RobertBobert said:
KitsuYurikano said:
Bakarina the queen of Harem uwu


I imagine how all these people explode along with their expectations when they see whose ship is really the main thing in this title. Excessive expectations are the worst thing to shipping.

Wow, Keith beat Geordo. I think the Prince really needs to step up his game in winning his "betrothed" heart if he wants to succeed in making her his wife.
Jul 5, 2020 11:13 AM

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I think the translation for Maria's mother speech "Please continue to be a good friend to my daughter" isn't the best translation. What she says in japanese has a more "neutral" meaning like "please take care of my daughter". It's up to you to think what the author means by that.


Yeah, but "please take care of my daughter" wouldn't be a good translation either since it would make Katarina wonder why she said that regardless of how dense she is (it would actually come off as odd, like why would she say take care of her daughter?). But clearly, Katarina didn't have second thoughts about it and said of course. Even Keith didn't have second thoughts about it too. If anything, "Please continue to be a good friend to my daughter" or "Please continue to get along with my daughter" is the most appropriate translation even if it isn't the best.

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Anyway, I had doubts about this anime before because of what I thought was mainly otome, but after giving it a shot, I'm so loving it! It's so heartwarming and really melts your heart.


Is it up to us to decide? Lol, the original phrase was clearly intentionally ambiguous for the sake of gay joke, but I doubt very much that her mother tried to ship them as a romantic couple, lol.

@1Konochi Keith has always been the most popular male love interest since Niko is too flat and Gerald gets a lot of negativity due to reasons that would be a very big spoiler. Alan ... well, he was pretty offensive in the new chapters, so I forgot about him.
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Why can't Maria mom's be the main heroine?
Dec 3, 2020 5:58 AM
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This was the best episode so far by a mile. Hats off to the author for creating such a brilliantly tragic backstory and all the staff at the animation staff for bringing to our screens in such a beautiful fashion. 10/10
Feb 6, 2021 4:06 AM

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Bakarina: "So, Maria, who do you like"?

Maria: "I am deeply fond of you, Catarina-sama" (blushes)

Sophia and Mary: "Me too, me too"

Bakarina: "Thanks everyone, but that's not the kind of like I meant..."


No, Bakarina, that's exactly the kind of like you meant!
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Apr 18, 2021 12:31 PM

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Damn, that's some huge pumpkin..
Ah, so that's the problem in Maria's family.. That it dissolved.. Well, because of the rumors of unfaithfulness and stuff.. Well.. It must be hard for mother.. I mean, she probably lives on her own then?.. As well as probably is getting badmouthed by many of the villagers, if not all of them.. It really can be bad for Maria's mother.. I mean, people can go as far as even trading badly with her, or even refusing to trade out of spite in some cases.. Or turning blind eye to thieves, who could rob them.. Or do some other stuff.. So it can be very hard for them, actually..
Sad episode at times.. Not like it's bad, I like sad, when I like it.. But Maria's mother's life can be really hard..
May 11, 2021 6:26 AM

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Poor Maria and her past were so sad. Glad she found someone like Catarina.
May 26, 2021 10:51 PM

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backstory for maria ! she really did grew up with no friends and ended up getting detached from her own family. nice to see its not like that anymore tho :D also why do i have a feeling that the student council might be a girl lmao
Aug 25, 2022 6:17 PM
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I wanna know what comes up in that garden.
Nov 23, 2022 6:06 PM

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Damn Katarina is really trying to get that platinum trophy for this game. That “seduce all main characters” trophy is already in the bag, she’s well on her way to completing “find and eat all sweets” achievement, and might even be going for the super-secret “seduce every character and their mothers (literally)” trophy, because even Maria’s mother seems to be wrapped around Bakarina’s finger now. She’s as dominant in the Otome meta as humans are in the Earth meta, just completely breaking the game.

Dec 24, 2022 11:00 PM

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Catarina heads out to the sticks to visit a farm. Since she out this far, she visits Maria's hometown. She learns a few things about her and meets the heroine's mother. Catarina shows her usual bubbly self, creating a garden at the home and earns the approval of Maria's mother knowing she has found a friend in Catarina.

I can't say enough how great these episodes are. Must hold back .... must show discipline.
Jan 6, 2023 6:54 AM

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Succesfully conquered Maria! So far Bakarina has avoided all doom flags except those of her own mother

Jan 11, 2023 7:50 AM

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her mother, that ending lol
May 18, 2023 5:59 PM

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That little exchange at the end between Maria and her mother always gets me. She's like "you in love with her, aren't you?", and then giving them her blessing. From this it is also communicated to Maria that despite the distance between the two over all these years, she's still her child and she can tell how Maria is feeling, making it all the more touching.
Aug 2, 2023 7:09 PM

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At the end of ep tho.. Bakarina and her mother never disappointed me xD

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