Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 12 Discussion

Tomak said:
Okay, so I don't usually post things on MAL because I don't think people care what I think about a show. But this episode is so bad and seeing how many people are praising this episode is starting to annoy me. I haven't loved this anime so far my opinion has been that it is fine or okay at best. But this episode was absolute trash.

First of all the music in the fight against Glass was so weird, the tones clashed so hard I think it broke my neck. The show seemed to want the fight to be a serious one. Naofumi meets a force so much more powerful than himself, never has he met someone this powerful. We were supposed to be scared or at least be intimidated. But the music felt like... I can't really explain it. I will say that the music was fine before the op and after a while it became better. But the time right after the op was so bad I thought they were going for a comedic tone.

That was not helped by absolute stellar animation. That was sarcasm if anyone missed that. There were the three other heroes stale and unnatural movements. After they were called servants each one slid into the frame. Now I do get that this was supposed to be a gag like "look at these idiots being all prideful, haha!" But the way the slid in felt so weird. The camera jerking backward only to have a which was almost still frames of the three heroes appear felt weird. Now I know about limited animation, I don't have a problem with it in general. But this particular shot just felt off.

The fight itself also felt boring. It didn't feel natural at all. Just felt like one thing happening after another, there was no flow of combat. Now I don't say that each action has to connect to the other, but at least feeling like they are somehow connected might have helped. I also think this could have been fixed if Naofumi moved a bit more, I feel like that would have made it feel more alive.

Then we have the 3D animation. It was distractingly bad. Now I know this show has had bad 3D animation multiple times. But this might have had one of the worst instances. I am of course talking about the Meltys guards. Holy shit it looks like they were glitching while they were moving. I also think I remember a bird that looked like it was going to break its own wing while flying this episode, and I don't think birds are supposed to do that.

And of course, I also need to talk about things that happened in the scenes. I hated the way Glass speaks. I hate the way she asks "Is this all you've got" like 35 times during her few minutes of screentime. She just strengthens my opinion that this is an anime with a good, original concept but is blandly and unoriginal in its writing. And I kind of hate that.

We also have the scene with Naofumi and the king. Which was pretty great. I loved how Naofumi asked him to beg for it and I felt like that was both a surprising and in character thing to say. However, I did not like it when the king threatened Filo and Raphtalia. I like it as a concept but I felt like it was executed pretty badly. It was not that bad but I felt that the darkening of the scene was a bit much and I feel like the whole thing would have felt a lot more natural if Naofumi maybe stood with his back against the king for a few seconds before turning. I kind of felt like there was not enough build up.

I also really disliked the way Raphtalia and Filo reacted when Melty asked if they thought Naofumi and the king should go and make up. They suddenly acted like Naofumi was half the problem and like he just needed to take the first step. They might not be aware that he was falsely accused of rape but I am sure they are aware of how the king and other people have treated him. And I mean Melty was told by her mother to make sure that her father doesn't act like too much of a shit towards the shield hero so I am sure she is aware that Naofumi is not the first part of this problem that needs to be solved. And what incentive do Raphtalia and Filo have for wanting Naofumi to get along with the king? They are aware that they are being treated like shit and that Naofumi is paranoid and an asshole for a reason. I get that they might want him to get along with Melty but the king, really?
Edit: Someone explained the scene a bit to me. And it is not as bad as I thought. However, their soft reactions were still pretty weird.

Also the scene right after the king. When Naofumi meets the mystical girl was kind of strange. Well.. the way she dangled the cross in his face was kind of weird. I get that that will probably be important later but it was such a weird situation. And the fact that Naofumi didn't really react was also strange.

I really like the last thing though. About the assassination attempt on Melty. I really liked that. I don't really understand why it felt like a set up to Naofumi but there might be a reason I am too stupid to understand. Maybe that someone was watching through the crystal ball? I don't know. Regardless I really liked it and I am excited to see where it leads.

I would give this episode a 2/10. (Also sorry for any spelling errors, English is not my first language.)

SSL443 said:
Is this series turning into a farce on purpose? I have no idea what the tone of this show is supposed to be anymore. The first half of the episode was nothing short of actual comedy, and the rest was just a giant stroke-fest for fan revenge boners.

The only way this show even has a plot is by keeping everything a mystery for no reason, and ending each episode on some contrived cliffhanger.

Kritoveris said:
why are you still watching this show ?? when will you drop this ? even though you already know how bad this show for you
stop being stupid n wasting your time

Kritoveris said:
why are you still watching this show ?? when will you drop this ? even though you already know how bad this show for you
stop being stupid n wasting your time

HaXXspetten said:
Wait why didn't they just kill her while they were travelling if her own guards were conspiring against her? Why wait all the way until she'd met up with Naofumi and actually had someone that could both witness the incident but also maybe protect her?

Mica-Chan10 said:
Now I'm wondering if the King comes from a previous marriage where he had Malty & where the previous Shield hero either chose not to help or came in too late to save his wife from death during the wave. Considering the Queen has the power I imagine he married into the royal line & had Melty with the Queen. Explains why she is next in line for the thrown instead of her older sister.

This also explains how Malty can be cold enough to likely plan the assassination of her sister. Though I don't think she cares for the results because it'll be a win win situation for her if at least temporarily. Don't think she believes Naofumi would kill the guards and neither do I so either Melty dies and the guards return to the kingdom to blame him for her death or Naofumi protects her by taking her with him and the guards return ready to frame him for Melty's kidnapping to further fuel the King's hydrated. Making it sound convincing due to his recent treats towards the King.

Fahim654 said:
lol you'll get the explanation on the next episode. and if this series stupid for you then why don't you drop it temporarily and watch it after all episodes come out?

VeryLTTP said:

The other heroes are also strongly convinced that the world plays out exactly like the game they played in their respective Japans. Not only does this mindset hinder their power, but it also makes their strategies one-dimensional as demonstrated last episode.

Blblblbl said:
Sooo... The first half of the episode was the fight between Glass and Naofumi and... Well, it was kind of dull. Just Glass being OP and dealing with Naofumi's attack with ease, some generic bad guy phrases and other heroes being useless as always.
Naofumi and the king scene was pretty satisfying.
Then Melty acting like the quarrel with the king was Naofumi's fault and telling him to apologize. Ugh. I understand she wants them to reconcile, but it could be put in a different way. Also, what the hell was with this assassination attempt? I really want to believe, that due to some kind of scheme it had to look like this. Otherwise it was terrible.
This episode was not bad, but it could be done much better.

Arcos said:
Dafuq did melty think when she asked Naofumi to apologize to the king? Like he did anything wrong. Screw the king, Naofumi should have mop the floo with this bastard after the threat against his groupmembers, maybe that would have teached that asshole a lesson.

SoraSenpai said:
Everyone is bringing up how Naofumi is a boss for standing up to the King (Which he is) and for how big of a bitch Malty is (which she is!) for the assassination attempt. But That woman in the dress is the biggest mystery IMO.

She obviously has some kind of connection to Melty but what could it be. She told Naofumi to basically not trust anyone and gave him a pendent as well. Was it the Queen??? WAS IT GLASS??? That would be an amazing twist.

But yeah who she is is the question I want to know now.

SSL443 said:
Why does every crybaby come back with this same inane response? I'm still watching because I'm still enjoying the show.

PurpleGirl203 said:
Damn! Is Naofumi trying to test the King's limits?? I got scarred for a moment at Shield Hero's provocations, but at the same time he deserved it.

Uh oh, Malty didn't look happy at all with sister's words that she send a guard to assassinate her? What in the world is wrong with her?! She's trash! Not surprising though -_-" guess I was expecting something like this soon... Can't wait to see the punnishment for her selfish actions!

This was a ok episode.

Hatsuyuki said:


It's not the cliffhanger that bothers me, it's the whole situation. It's hilarious how they had to wait until they caught up with the Shield Hero for trying to murder Melty instead of just doing it on the way to meet up with them. Now the Shield Hero can protect the damsel in distress.



That's weird because this episode has more actual animation than the previous ones and spotted even a sakuga scene (https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/27146309b4ecc89e7db4fe0cb3aa5694.mp4)

Like, that is not bad animation my dude, I don't understand where the complaints are coming from.

BlackLatias said:
The king actually does have valid reasons, but they are mentioned at a point in the LN that the anime won't cover. As most of the villans/antagonists in SH his behaviour is over the top and all, but the reasons behind are actually realistic, I think. The king is probably the only villain/antagonist I kind of like in SH, lol.
Malty just likes to f shit up, she doesn't really have any other reasons for it, only that she is an entitled brat. And while people like her really do exist in RL it doesn't make for a good villain, admittedly.

DirectorK said:
I've been reading your posts on previous threads about this anime and it's clear to me that you don't know anything about the real world or just how bad life can be, especially on the subject of slavery.

Rhapsody- said:
Damn! Look what you did @SSL443, you just broke this poor guy who only wants to enjoy his show. I hope you're happy now :'(

This would be a great copypaste meme if it wouldn't be so long.

otaku_trash1236 said:
Like always Shield hero is strongest when there is dialogue or intrigue and weakest in the action scenes.

The scene where he told the king to grovel to him or shove off was 10x more entertaining than almost any fights, with the exception of the Spear vs Shield Duel which itself had serious emotional investment.

This is why I hate the "ughh why are they talking we need more action, why are the fights so shooooort why isn't this show SAO" crowd of critics.