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CadenGallic said: I swear, Cutie Honey is one of those things i've wanted to get into for ages but i've had no actual idea where to start on it. And I think starting on this show was kind of a bad idea. There's no real explanation or setup in this first episode for newcomers, I don't know if that's a result of not watching prior Cutie Honey stuff, it seems kinda serious too? Like aside from the ecchi moments, the fact they get really hung up on showing a person die onscreen and make a big deal about the monsters being people transformed just seems kinda at odds with the tone? I don't know, this one just has me stumped for the time being. This episode was confusing for not fans, but the story can be summarized very easy, you could watch the first episode of the old show This one: https://myanimelist.net/anime/1661/Cutey_Honey?q=cutey%20honey You will get all the background you need. |
kofmasterApr 13, 2018 9:16 AM
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cobra55 said: You are wrong. Cutey Honey is not a mahou shoujo to begin with, in all of its carnations, save for Flash version, Honey is an android not a magical girl. The original Cutey Honey manga is a shounen with lots of ecchi and violence. The first anime adaptation was much toned down, yet kept some of fanservicei and it was aimed at both boys and girls. Mahou-shoujo and android aren't mutually exclusive of course Cutie Honey is mahou-shoujo genre. And since the manga was first, it's demographics are of importance when searching for first mahou-shoujo for male demographics. I was unsure whether there isn't even older manga that I've forgot about, not if Cutie Honey is shounen or mahou-shoujo lol. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
| I recommend those who haven't watched Cutey Honey before to skip the ED. Don't get me wrong, I love it... but... @cobra55 That thing can be interpreted as "She left all the bases for the proliferation of a new subgenre, mahou shoujo warrior." So yes, even if she's a robot, even if she was described as a superhero, she was the first in that subgenre. Those are just details, for example Nanoha and Symphogear are considered Mahou Shoujo shows, but their special abilities are technological. |
kofmasterApr 13, 2018 9:47 AM
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| Hmm, When Japanese people talks about super heroes, they tend to refer to Tokusatsu-style Super Heroes. Mahou Shoujo Warriors are a reverse Tokusatsu, Honey is similar to a Kamen Rider-style hero, when others like Sailor Moon to Super Sentai. To be fair, Honey being a superhero is irrelevant because even if the manga wasn't planned as a Mahou Shoujo Warrior, Honey defined the whole genre. You could call her a honorary mahou shoujo if you wish. |
kofmasterApr 13, 2018 10:21 AM
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cobra55 said: AH-CHOO- Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. here is a quote from Cutey Honey tropes page "A popular superheroine from the bizarre mind of Go Nagai and animated by Toei Animation. Notable, among other things, for being one of the first female characters to star in a shounen series and through inspiration, the prototypical Magical Girl Warrior." In other words, Cutey Honey is an inspiration and the prototype for the Mahou-Shoujo Warrior genre but not really a mahou shoujo itself. One loosely interpreted quote from tvtropes really doesn't mean it's not mahou-shoujo. Is Mazinger Z not mecha because it served as an inspiration for more mecha series? Also, you can't be both android and mahou-shoujo but you can be bot android and superhero? cobra55 said: Gib source.Furthermore, Japanese mostly refer to Honey as a superhero rather than a magical girl. Since Honey is mostly unknown in the West when people see the transformation scene they automatically call it a mahou shoujo. |
| You all need to watch Nami. |
cobra55 said: https://web.archive.org/web/20030605003218/http://japanhero.com/profiles/cutey_honey_profileL.htm From TV tropes; "Ironically, Cutey Honey was usually described as a superhero and not a magical girl" A: "One loosely interpreted quote from tvtropes really doesn't mean it's not mahou-shoujo." B: *Posts the same tv tropes quote for the third time* Also, you can be both android and mahou-shoujo and you can be both mahou-shoujo and hero, where is the contradiction? Also also, tvtropes lists Cutie Honey under Magical Girl trope, where is your god now? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalGirl |
| You all need to watch Nami. |
| But he's right, mahou shoujo and android are not excluding. A character can be a robot, an alien, an animal, etc, and at the same time be a mahou shoujo. CadenGallic said: kofmaster said: This episode was confusing for not fans, but the story can be summarized very easy, you could watch the first episode of the old show This one: https://myanimelist.net/anime/1661/Cutey_Honey?q=cutey%20honey You will get all the background you need. I've actually taken to watching Re: Cutey Honey tonight which has helped give me some idea of it. But thank you for the summary. That also works. I recommended the first show because Re:Cutey Honey is a free adaptation changing drastically many concepts so I thought you would still have so many questions after watched it xD |
kofmasterApr 13, 2018 12:28 PM
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| The style was too childish for my taste. (directing style) About the only thing going for it was a bit of fanservice... but even that had a childish style. Not the worst thing I've ever seen, but dropped. 2/10 |
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| It was meh. Easily one of the least good CH iterations I've seen (it's still miles better than Flash though). I'm still gonna be watching it every week but *sigh*. I miss my Nat-chan. And I hate that they didn't use a cover of the OG theme as an opening. Hopefully for the second cour they'll do that? I'm glad they used AOP though. When I saw Osomatsu-san, they seemed like they'd be great to do a Cutey Honey OP. Sister Jill's human form though. *whew* |
| I feel like I just watched a ton of fetish pandering to men loosely laced together by shonen elements in a way that was as close to porn as it could be without being porn. Is this was the original series was like? This crap is considered a classic? Why, for its shock factor? For people thinking drawing girls making out to get off on is progressive? This was the easiest drop of the season. |
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| "You mean I'm not human?" Boy, what a fuckin' time to drop that bombshell. lol |
| I prefer the Gainax version. Seems a bit forced "to be different from previous versions" for me. |
betoharu said: I prefer the Gainax version. Seems a bit forced "to be different from previous versions" for me. In fact, the gainax version is the "different from previous versions" one. This version is more faithful to the manga. They are just adding a new sub-plot with Sister Jill. |
kofmasterApr 16, 2018 1:10 PM
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| Holy crap, Yuri everywhere, right off the bat!! I love this show already. My only concern would be that in parts it seems a little too somber/slow-paced for the series, but at the same time the change in direction is interesting so I'll be keeping an eye on where that goes. Honey is still adorable and it's as zany as ever, so I'm happy overall with my first impression. Tbh, I can totally understand the MAL reaction though (apart from the userbase being mostly kiddos and progressives). If I came into this show knowing nothing about Cutie Honey I'd be completely overwhelmed... Glad I saw Re Cutey Honey first, and if anyone happens to read this who's watching for the first time, I'd recommend going back and watching that too. |
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TsubasaFamily said: Holy crap, Yuri everywhere, right off the bat!! I love this show already. My only concern would be that in parts it seems a little too somber/slow-paced for the series, but at the same time the change in direction is interesting so I'll be keeping an eye on where that goes. Honey is still adorable and it's as zany as ever, so I'm happy overall with my first impression. Tbh, I can totally understand the MAL reaction though (apart from the userbase being mostly kiddos and progressives). If I came into this show knowing nothing about Cutie Honey I'd be completely overwhelmed... Glad I saw Re Cutey Honey first, and if anyone happens to read this who's watching for the first time, I'd recommend going back and watching that too. Agreed. This wasn't a bad episode at all. I hate it when people bring their politics to entertainment which is why I reject 100% of the feminist shit that goes on the net. I'm a progressive too, but the difference is that I know how to differentiate fiction from life and take a show for what it is. |
DocJangarly said: TsubasaFamily said: Holy crap, Yuri everywhere, right off the bat!! I love this show already. My only concern would be that in parts it seems a little too somber/slow-paced for the series, but at the same time the change in direction is interesting so I'll be keeping an eye on where that goes. Honey is still adorable and it's as zany as ever, so I'm happy overall with my first impression. Tbh, I can totally understand the MAL reaction though (apart from the userbase being mostly kiddos and progressives). If I came into this show knowing nothing about Cutie Honey I'd be completely overwhelmed... Glad I saw Re Cutey Honey first, and if anyone happens to read this who's watching for the first time, I'd recommend going back and watching that too. Agreed. This wasn't a bad episode at all. I hate it when people bring their politics to entertainment which is why I reject 100% of the feminist shit that goes on the net. I'm a progressive too, but the difference is that I know how to differentiate fiction from life and take a show for what it is. I mean, more power to you man, I'm center-liberal myself, though I don't call myself liberal anymore because the word doesn't seem to mean the same thing these days... I just don't think politics belong in fiction at all, even LESS so when it's fiction from a completely different country with a different value system. |
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Netbug said: I feel like I just watched a ton of fetish pandering to men loosely laced together by shonen elements in a way that was as close to porn as it could be without being porn. Is this was the original series was like? This crap is considered a classic? Why, for its shock factor? For people thinking drawing girls making out to get off on is progressive? This was the easiest drop of the season. The series that is considered a classic is the original anime series, which is drastically different than the manga. The manga is widely regarded as trash, even by diehard Go Nagai fans. This is based off of the manga, which is why it's much more sexual and pandering. |
MarryMeCheol said: Netbug said: I feel like I just watched a ton of fetish pandering to men loosely laced together by shonen elements in a way that was as close to porn as it could be without being porn. Is this was the original series was like? This crap is considered a classic? Why, for its shock factor? For people thinking drawing girls making out to get off on is progressive? This was the easiest drop of the season. The series that is considered a classic is the original anime series, which is drastically different than the manga. The manga is widely regarded as trash, even by diehard Go Nagai fans. This is based off of the manga, which is why it's much more sexual and pandering. That's not true. The manga is liked too and considered a classic in its home country as well. It shares a lot with Shonen Jump's previous hit manga by Nagai, Harenchi Gakuen which paved the way for more sexual themes in the industry. The 70s was ultra conservative especially for Japan, and series like Cutie Honey helped the sexual revolution starting in the 60s move forward in the decades to come. The TV anime was toned down. It was more family friendly, but still sexual in a few ways, but that's how it goes with all Go Nagai adaptations of the 70s with the manga always being more more boundary pushing than usual. |
| Its nice to get another Cutie Honey after so long! I hope this ends up being as fun as Re. The transformation scene tho... could've been better... ALOT better. |
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| not sure if i find this funny or extremely offensive. so i'll give it a try. my knowledge of cutie honey is limited to its original theme song, which isn't here, though. i actually thought it was a shoujo show. |
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| Interesting move to implement Sister Jill this way. But no CH theme song nor nude transformation? o_O And despite the blood and homosexual shots, it seems pretty tame. The lack of style compared to the first TV iteration or RE is a big negative point. (at the very least, it's still colourful) I'm surprised they kept Nagai's "ugly" comedic characters. 3/5 Pretty sure I won't watch the whole series. |
| dat bondage scene in the end ahh. |
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| This sure was quite interesting, quite liked it yet still find it interesting how they managed to bring that old character drawing style in it, renew it and give it another twist. Looking forward to see what this version of Cutie Honey will offer! |
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