Helck Episode 14 Discussion

I like the direction Helck is going finally with some backstory, and a look into the conflict between humans and demons. I’m glad I didn’t put the show down after the slow start.

Ah yes, we're mercenaries and coincidentally we were passing thru this village raided by top rank monsters. As mercs we must create a contract and charge a fee, but the first one is free. WTF.

It's pretty weird that everyone noticed that Helck somehow because of main protagonist powers could deal with these high ranks mob quite easily compared to random npc soldiers and even high ranked mercs. Then why wasn't he sent into the front line in the first place? Instead he just fools around until the other one and only supah hero fell in bed due to his massive wounds with his battle with the demonlord.

It's puzzling why mercenaries going from place to place shocked you so much. They're monster-hunters, traveling to find a new place for work.

You'd make a poor salesman. She literally secured her job as a protector of the town for years to come thanks to her "it's not all about money" attitude. She also wanted to win Helck over. You don't usually win people over by demanding money from a ravaged town you just saved (which didn't even hire you). Gesture of good will goes a long way.


This was addressed previous episode. Helck isn't a soldier and doesn't want to be one; he considers to be somewhat tougher than others but nothing too special. He never even considered fighting monsters until he was forced. Noticing he can fight monsters he starts doing it and joins mercenaries. Helck's brother is still considered as much stronger fighter.

@Sigmar-Unberogen

Mercs and hunters are two different things. Hunters are pretty much locals gathering food, mercs don't waste time and resources going from place to place, that's why they have guilds and associations in order to pick a task and price they will feel comfortable with. They don't magically and very coincidentally appear in the right place at the right time. But then again we have already established in the past that you know jack sh1t about good writting. Imagine taking a whole squad of highly trained mercs out into the wasteland in order to have enough luck for some villager or lord they stumble upon their aimless journey rather than end up dying of starvation because their whole plan was to just roam around like some taxi cab driver.

Secondly a salesman knows how much their job/merchandise is worth for. How are villagers from a destroyed town pay up an allegedly high tier mercenary? Oh right, more bad writting that people like you love to ignore.

Third, if he isn't a soldier, then why the heck did he enroll to help out a military squad with commander officers to help out Edil's village in the first place? There's also this thing called mandatory enlisting in times of war specially when already trained soldiers aren't enough. This kingdom has always had their best ace under the sleeve and they didn't use him at all? But they sure (specially the villagers) are quite comfortable and entitled to force his brother to march into the frontlines and do the job no matter what.

@Sigmar-Unberogen I'd recommend just ignoring him. He's already decided how he feels about this show, and has also decided that nothing that happens will change how he feels. The things he says are said in bad faith by his own admission, so there's no real point in engaging with them. I would just ignore all his posts, as he doesn't actually care about what he's saying or about being right about anything, he cares about doubling down when people disagree with him since he's here to argue. That's why he keeps coming back instead of dropping a show he doesn't like.

Personally, I already dropped the show when I wasn't feeling it. I keep coming back to these threads because I liked the manga and want to see what other people have to say.

Something seems shady about that sage guy.

There is no actual guarantee that the demonlord actually was the cause of the monsters though right? Maybe killing it broke the balance which was still left.

i really really loved this show since eps 1 !!!

@Sigmar-Unberogen I'd recommend just ignoring him. He's already decided how he feels about this show, and has also decided that nothing that happens will change how he feels. The things he says are said in bad faith by his own admission, so there's no real point in engaging with them. I would just ignore all his posts, as he doesn't actually care about what he's saying or about being right about anything, he cares about doubling down when people disagree with him since he's here to argue. That's why he keeps coming back instead of dropping a show he doesn't like.

Personally, I already dropped the show when I wasn't feeling it. I keep coming back to these threads because I liked the manga and want to see what other people have to say.

Nah no way that was 25 minutes wtf! It ended right as things were getting good.

Fuck the townspeople for slandering Cless after all he’d done to protect them. People are so damn fickle. Seeing Cless ravaged like that and then hearing him get called a chicken shit rightfully enraged Helck.

I feel horrible for the demons in all of this too cause they’re just chilling and next thing you know here go a group of humans pulling up to kill your king lmao.

It begs the question though, where are the monsters coming from. It must have something to do with whoever awakened the humans as heroes

No need for mental gymnastics really. These mercenaries go from place to place to hunt monsters. During one such voyage they saw a town being attacked and decided to help. There's no "magic" involved, baffling to come to such ludicrous conclusion. Your real-life definitions may differ in fiction. Ever thought about that?

Who's "we"?
Also it's laughable for you to mention good writing considering the gibberish I just read. I honestly doubted if you were the same Kimurah (different profile). You usually used to leave an impression of a sober person, at least. Just look at that second paragraph of yours again and say my impression's invalid (original comment)...
Edil literally asks the mercenaries to stick around for they need soldiers, right after Alicia says she did it for free. Alicia's gesture of good will payed off instantly and as evident by 4 year time-lapse, they have been employed ever since. Also, the town being ravaged doesn't mean they won't be payed later ffs. Town was repaired, it belongs to the human kingdom and Edil doesn't necessarily have all his funds stashed in one place, the money can be delivered later from capitol or from other sources, easily! Are you playing obtuse on purpose at this point?
Perhaps you should watch the same show we all did to figure that out. It stated clearly that monster attacks intensified, therefore Helck was forced in the army. Humans weren't in a dire enough situation till then and Helck was content being a simple construction-worker. After the officers were killed by "new-world-lifeform" Helck fought not knowing whether he'd win or not. Even he didn't know he was that OP yet. Once he realized, he offered Edil to go save his town and then became a mercenary.

Don't sleep when watching next time. Last episode it was Rafaed alone who suspected Helck may be as mighty as his brother; something Helck denies and Rafaed decides to ignore too. Helck's might was only revealed to few people this episode and it was a shock even to Helck. The kingdom couldn't have know of Helck's op-ness to even think about using him as an ACE! Now that Helck's a mercenary he's already fighting occasionally to defend human towns. Helck's brother is the only known ACE and that's why he was sent to fight the demon-king. Helck's might is not known public and even Helck believes his brother is much more capable warrior than he is.

@Sigmar-Unberogen



Guy starts his rant with no need with mental gymnastics. Pulls out mental gymnastics out of his sleeve.

Why would they as MERCENARIES go from place to place in order to be lucky enough to find people in need for their services when they could most likely find either already devastated places or people that just can't pay for their work. Again, their work scheme isn't that of a taxi cab that can roam the city in search for clients with the benefit of having resources at hand such as fuel and food places anywhere. On the other hand if these alleged people are hunters they don't have these luxuries of asured resources on an expedition given their already changing enviroment (having no hunting pray for a few days could wipe out their whole expedition really soon)

A good writer would have switched protagonism to Alice's crew (or at the very least a short flashback from her) explaining what where they doing out there in the wastelands at the right moment in order to save a town in the middle of nowhere, rather than rely on cheap storytelling based on mere coincidences. The author has probably never heard of Chekov's gun and it's easy to tell how the whole stoy lacks a ton of details (towns' main income, faction purpouses, and such). But hey, we got plenty of quality story back in the stupid island and the contest to get new recruits for the Mazoku, right?



When did Edil pay these mercenaries? We never saw any money or goods exchange. This sounds more like your koolaid induced delusions. Nothing out of your gibberish was actually shown in the anime, these are nothing but baseless conjectures.



To be fair, I didn't specify what point of the story was I refering to. My complain was that Helck claimed that "there's no other choice I'll be in the fronline" kind of comment that popped up at the end of that episode, as if he implied he wasn't part of the defense forces already, but he was indeed already a conscript.



And it was ackowledged by Rafaed, but it was ignored because.... ah yes, contrived writing. They are quite comfortable to get his brother in the front lines, but not Helck who most likely have the same power level?




Nah, I just got better stuff to do. It will take me a while but I will always come back to laugh at your court jester takes.



Don't drink too hard on your koolaid zippy cup while posting online, it really distorts the real facts. But then again, you also love to create false narratives on what actually happened in the anime.

@Sigmar-Unberogen



You can repeat ti as many times as you want, but just because you keep parroting over and over it won't become true. I already explained from a cost efficient point of view that just wandering in the wastelands in the occurrence of finding a client that will hire their services isn't a logical nor profitable scheme based on the high risk of getting killed by lack of resources.



Get over yourself too. Your lazy and low standards aren't equally the benchmark to follow. Why are you acting so high and mighty because someone else has higher standards?



Ah yes, the typical it will be explained later. And later on I can change my opinion regarding it, rather than just sit and "eat" this poor choice of storytelling while the whole series wasted almost a dozen of episodes with cheap padding. Also it feels contrived that Rafaed allowed one of his "sons" as you claim to go to the frontlines, while the other sits back home. He should have kept Cless safe along with Helck if he feels so protective about his adopted sons. It's either protect both or send both to the frontline, I don't see why only one gets special treatment.



This is it? this is your big defense? Because other people equally impaired say I'm wrong that makes them right? This is the most laughable argument that only Flat Earthers or Trump supporters go for. Thanks for the laughs. Come back at me when you can stand on your own 2 feet rather than rely of equally delusional peers.

See you next week (or whenever I feel like replying to your angry fanboy barking)

@Sigmar-Unberogen



I feel that you're projecting yourself with this line. You're saying that I'm shutting my ears and I'm trying to convince myself of unnatural events. Yet you never properly refuted my statement on the futility of wandering around in the wastelands in search for mercenary jobs and used others' testimony against myself as some sort of "masses are right you're wrong" kind of argument.



So what?

A cheap story that the author loves to move forward based on deus ex outcomes is somehow "immune" to criticism because it's cheap? Let me laugh out loud. Go outside for a change, check out how many people do reviews of cheaply built gadgets, low tier vehicles and yes even terrible movies.

Also, I never expected this show to be on Tolkien level writing (yet another strawman of yours, how original). I'll use Dewey's famous words, "I expected nothing and still got disappointed". My bar was already low, and even at that this show failed to me. Do I deserve to be spit roasted by fanboys like yourself because the show didn't live to my standards? I don't believe so, yet here we are.



This is hilariously hypocrite from yourself. You had a hate boner when Buddy Daddies showed up a couple of seasons ago and despite you and me having some words of disagreement I didn't gatekeep your opinion about it like you're doing it with mine on this show so far.



It's called having a first impression, this perception can be changed later on (or maybe not). But then again, salty fanboys like you think that anyone that doesn't have a positive view on something that "might" be a bait and switch are wrong and don't deserve to be heard in your precious echo chamber. I just don't like to wait until the story is over in order to say "I told you so" I rather admit I was wrong if the twist and outcome it's worth it.

The way you use the phrase "foaming from your mouth" again sounds like projection at the loss of arguments.



For starters, what important job was Helck doing before he was dragged into the war?

Secondly, it still doesn't justify how one character wants to be in the fronline and he's allowed, while the other one doesn't and Rafaed is ok with it. It doesn't add up since he's obviously in cahoots with the higher ups behind the whole Hero augmentation plot.



Again, this is nothing but projection and petty childish lashback with nothing to prove your argument.

Heck, I'll even put real evidence on the table since your whole defense relies on "unrelieable witnesses" as peer validation for your flat earth gaslighting argument.

The whole debate between me and Lord Kirkis was about the animation quality of the show (we never even touched the writing aspect). That guy was totally convinced that more budget = better animation. I pointed out that was a fallacy and what really matters is a well planned production schedule and how skilled are the director/animator crew. We don't even need to go into further details on how screwed is the animnation industry with studios like old MadHouse and even Wits Studios (during AOT production) had been overworking their animators, and MAPPA's current situation it's pretty much the worst example of it.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2110033&id=69642005

I don't even remember the name of the other guy that was an obvious alt account, but I do remember that all he did to antagonize me was just acting as dog pile.

And these are supposed to be the people and their arguments that allegedly "roasted me" as you claimed in previous posts? Did you even read these allegations in order to come to an unbiased verdict? NO you didn't, you admited that it only took you a few seconds to check on my forum history and conclude that people debating with me equals to me being wrong, hurr durr. Nice verbose you got there.