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| Kiruko's backstory is here and it's pretty wild. A failed man eater solo mission has led to a whole brain transplant and the abandonment of the orphanage he grew up in. The fish man-eater being drawn earlier is also very interesting! |
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| This Robin dude better still be alive somewhere |
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| Quite an interesting backstory. Likely Haruki's, now Kiruko, sister sacrificed herself by offering her body to her brother so that he may live on in her place. Look back at the previous episode, the boy in wheelchair had those black marks on the skin, same as the lady who entrusted Maru to Kiruko. Combined with the future tech gun and Maru's abnormal physical ability, I think the lady and him are both from the enclosed facility and they may be something like a genetically modified new human race, same as those other kids in the facility. |
| I've read the manga a few times now, but I never picked up on the fact that there was a gunshot (?) when Haruki's consciousness is fading. That's...hm! Looking back at the manga, the sound effect placed there isn't that suggestive, so I guess it makes sense nobody translated it as such? (The official translation says it's a "flash"). Either way, very interesting information. On the subject of the manga, grieving the loss of more funny faces to the scourge of efficient pacing.  |
| Inazaki Robin's voiced by Zoro's VA, his voice is instantly recognizable. The backstory was good. The Man-eating monsters seem to digest human bodies as soon as they come into contact, this makes them more dangerous and something about their anatomy tells me they are man-made. Kuku says that human babies don't have faces, this can mean that the doc who transferred Haruki's consciousness to Kiruko's body might be the man behind the facility or the man that pioneered the research program. They might have taken people's consciousness from the outside world, put them into these faceless babies, and cloned them. |
“There are only two types of people in the world--those who became otaku and those who didn't--and the latter just can't understand what the former is so excited about."--Ono Norihiro  |
| Ok wth is this plot twist , and I was shipping both of them lol |
| I only got to watch the episode a few minutes ago and, while I was right about the mind transfer, I didn't think it was so mundane as transpanting the brain. About the scene when, now Kiruko "discovers" his new body, well, that's only natural: we all did it when we were very young and were discovering our bodies. Turns out Kiruko is not looking for "Heaven" as in "a place". It is more like "a person": the doctor. |
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Peepsqueeker said: I'm not trans, I just like some variety in shows I watch. I've seen many characters have basically the same struggles with some variations sprinkled in, what's so bad with me wanting to see some different perspectives? It would be much more interesting to me than another body swap plot. Seems a tad bit lazy to me, and like it's pandering to viewers who don't see trans as sane. At least this time it's a post-apo body-swap, I guess...I really don't understand why people are so obsessed with having somebody that looks like them, acts like them and has the same identity/sexuality as them in any form of media. |
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| Sad flashback and another proof that this is aots. |
| Quite a packed episode. Glad we were able to learn more about Kiruko and their predicament/backstory. Why they're doing what they're doing etc. |
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| Haruki "die" because of... STUPIDITY! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF No, seriously, this was unacceptable! Death or worse is not enough for him, he could even had prevented the race from starting but.... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!! aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh... Oh, lets go won. Someone shot. When Haruki was losing conscience a gunshot could be heard. That gunshot sound was repeated when it shows his cranium opened during the surgery. Is this the biggest mystery? No one in that place seemed to own guns. Not I have to say, at the same time things are mysterious they are also more obvious? Someone pointed me that the fish monster in the end of the episode appears to be the same monster the kid in school draw in a previous episode.  And with Kuku line it seems that no one there is really a normal human as we suspected, they are all genetically engineered explaining their mysterious abilities.  It's the habitual then? The monsters may come from that place, and some may even be engineered humans that failed? These kids are like the monsters, only with a human form? And the "experiment" in this "school" is to see if they can behave like human beings? Not that mysterious anymore but that doesn't matter. What matters is how this all relates to the characters, right? SoraSenpai said: At this point we have to ask why Hazuki's brain was put into Kiruko's body. The Doctor was researching man eaters and the such but I see no benefit to this unless the two kids have some unknown hidden abilities. Still wondering how the facility is involved. Considering the state of Haruki's brother was there other way to save him? The question is, was Kiriko really death? The nurses apparently saw her coming into the hospital as dead as him. Sigmar-Unberogen said: For some reason they skipped the part where Haruki basically gave up on life and was planning to just stay in the bed and die in order to reunite with sister and friends. This kinda redeemed a sister-loving guy in my eyes. FOOOOOOLL!! A true sister loving brother would NEVER let his sister body die! |
PaninaManinaApr 16, 2023 7:49 AM
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| What an episode! ..I am split about Kiruko-Haruki brain transplant thing.. it could either be brain/soul transplant, or as the lady said - the shock of losing her brother messed up her psyche where she thinks she is him.. which would be more insane, to me atleast. But, such a well-directed episode.. until the last dialogue, the mystery goes on. I have so many questions and can't wait for next episode. |
| Pretty good adaptation of the manga so far, with flawless production. If this goes on until the end, this anime will be one of my all-time favorite indeed. My take on the trans discussion: people should stop trying to force things on animes. If there's a trans character, it's fine. If what could be a trans but is actually something else, that's because the story is made that way and there's no reason to complain. In this case in particular, all this back story is pretty meaningful for the whole development, so stop picture it as a misrepresentation of a trans character, it's just not a trans character, period. Deal with it. My take on the masturbation scene: anyone who would find himself or herself in a body of the opposite sex would do this kind of experiment, including ladies who would find themselves in a male's body. There's nothing weird in that, it's just trying to understand how your new body reacts and how you perceive its reactions. It actually confirms to me that the author give some thoughts to this body swap and how his character would manage it instead of just using it as a plot device. |
ceramexis said: victoriaX03 said: I don't think Haruki's sister is his bio sister as they were living together in an orphanage and also that would make his feelings and sexual attraction to her a bit more appropriate :pI have a question, was Haruki’s sister his actual sister or did he just call her that like Maru calls Kiruko? But the flashback they are really sister and brother and Kiriko was taking care of him alone since little. it's true what @assholeierThanU pointed:  Them I imagine this "school" is some government facility, maybe, researching the monsters, if it's possible to tame them or create monsters with human form like Maru to fight with the wild monsters. EDIT; there's the possibility that the date there is Tengoku 17, June 23 |
PaninaManinaApr 16, 2023 8:13 AM
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| What a backstory, holy shit. Now I'm invested, so many mysteries. It's incredible how many bangers this season brings, not that I'm complaining Also, around 16 min mark was he touching/masturbating with his sister's body (and thinking about her)? Or did I get that scene wrong? |
N7GreyApr 16, 2023 8:15 AM
| brains and fishes, a great episode |
felixsifuri said: I'm not trans, I just like some variety in shows I watch. I've seen many characters have basically the same struggles with some variations sprinkled in, what's so bad with me wanting to see some different perspectives? It would be much more interesting to me than another body swap plot. Seems a tad bit lazy to me, and like it's pandering to viewers who don't see trans as sane. At least this time it's a post-apo body-swap, I guess... Don't you think there's enough variety in Tengoku as is?! Also, this isn't the only anime airing this season you know? You have exactly what you wish for in other series airing right now, for example, Skip to Loafer. Peepsqueeker said: There's nothing wrong with wanting more perspectives, but you're wrong to assume that the Japanese deal with the same societal issues as they do so in the west. While LGBT and trans in particular is a recurring and overly pandered topic in the west, it's not so much in Asia or pretty much any other region aside from Europe and the US. I'm not particularly interested to see anime/manga turn into absolute trash just for the sake of pandering with 1-dimensional stereotypical characters, because a minority group wants inclusion like many of the current-day movies/TV shows released in the west. Asian people are people just like "us. Yes, they have the same societal issues as everyone else. There's this wrong idea that there's no LGBT-etc struggle there, but there are, even if it's not easy for us to see at a distance. It's sad because all these problems for LGBT people and anti-LGBT behavior are actually something new, much imported was from the "western judaico-christian world" very recently in their efforts to become "civilized". But anyway, there isn't much to discuss about this in this series. Let's focus on the mysteries and... something I want to know, now that the "prologue" ended, can we still expect this same high level of animation until the end? We can see that they put a lot of effort and care until now, but the production still have the budget and time to keep this quality? It'll be a real shame if it starts to drop in the next episode. |
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| god this episode was insanely good. unfortunate that kiriko and haruki were victims of the doctor's human experimentation. i wonder if he had some kind of goal with this because he just straight-up disappeared after the surgery. also i don't really think robin is dead - i wouldn't be surprised if maybe he was captured by the doctor because of his investigating |
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| We all by now know that Haruki brain was transplanted to Kiruko body. Most probably by her getting shot by someone and had ending up brain dead. And so she ending up saving his brother. BUT! This going to sound crazy for most but hear me out. What if we put aside the fact that we were showned the brain surgery and instead we take in consideration what the nurse (or something) said that she ended up with a trauma over her brother's death so big that she now assumed his identity? And now "he" seeks to find the whereabouts of the doctor to know why "her sister" was killed or sacrified herself over him? Both the brain surgery and the sound of the shot before the transition after she was with the brother dying could very be memories created by herself from some kind of coping mechanism for to belive that she IS her brother. I know that the wounds on her head are hard evidence of the transplant. But what if all this is an frabrication of her trauma? Just to make you think even more over was happened in this episode right? :D |
| In another point. Kiruko change of the air color from black to brown after the surgery doesn't makes sense... Either it's a mistake from crossing from manga to anime or something more is "off" in the story. |
Ishitateso said: Tbh this could be resolved quite quickly. Haruki should stop letting his hair grow and try to look more manly, I mean that's what I would do in his situation unless he likes fingering his sis' body too much when she's prettyIt is getting better and better. Kiruko masturbating while being trapped in his adored onee-chan's body to find solace in her flesh is the ultimate level of sexualized brother-sister relationship I have seen in anime. There is nothing to top this.  Then the question gets asked: How do you deal with such an angelic face when there is a boy's mind behind the facade? Maru got in a deep shit with his feeelings for "her" that he will have to deal with in the next episodes I guess.  |
| A fish with arms huh... so a bunch of that kids drawings are somehow maneaters or what? This episode explained quite a bit. All those orphans that went missing just happen to look like a bunch of the kids in heaven? Definitely some sus shit here. Also this explains why Kiruko was unsure of her age. From a world building standpoint we also get to see how much of a society there is. Things can't be that bad if there was recreational electro car racing on that scale. |
Whayle said: Ishitateso said: Tbh this could be resolved quite quickly. Haruki should stop letting his hair grow and try to look more manly, I mean that's what I would do in his situation unless he likes fingering his sis' body too much when she's prettyIt is getting better and better. Kiruko masturbating while being trapped in his adored onee-chan's body to find solace in her flesh is the ultimate level of sexualized brother-sister relationship I have seen in anime. There is nothing to top this. Then the question gets asked: How do you deal with such an angelic face when there is a boy's mind behind the facade? Maru got in a deep shit with his feeelings for "her" that he will have to deal with in the next episodes I guess. With such shapely body and boobs like hers no short haircut would help the problem. She would just look and behave more like a tomboy, and who knows maybe that just would make her more appealing in Maru's eyes. |
IshitatesoApr 16, 2023 11:08 AM
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| Holy crap so the boy is in his sister's body, that some weird shit but I'm guessing she sacrificed herself to save her brother... We'll see, I hope I'm right |
Peepsqueeker said: Holy shit thank you!Adding characters that are not straight or are trans is fine, as long as they have more depth/essence to them beyond "Hey my name is X and I am trans" and constant reminders like "Hey, did you know I am trans?" as if they're treating the audience like they're brain-dead. |
Vendun said: So, if my maths are good, that mean what we are seeing in the complex occurred 1 year before the world-changing event which then took place in 2024. Having 2 points of view for the story already add a layer of complexity but now, we know that the events in the complex occurred 26 years before what we saw outside, it just add more stuff to think of ! I love it ! I can't wait to see the link between the complex and the monsters and maybe the link with the doctor. I think this makes the story simpler for us. Instead of getting to a point where the story stops to info dump "explaining" what happened as traditional makes it harder to understand. If we are seeing those characters in the past as things happen we have time to process the bits of information and fit all the pieces by ourselves. |
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| Finally a decent episode from this anime but I still think the way the accident happened was a bit cheap, 7.1/10. |
| I’m starting to think the kids at the facility are maybe dangerous and that injection we saw in ep 2 is to put the lookalike one down.. if the kid drawing is somehow making the maneaters appear in the world is it possible they brought about this great calamity that’s being referenced? I’m probably way off but that’s my theory for now lol also, what was that gunshot? did someone shoot the monster and it hit kiruko in the head causing her to be brain dead and leading to the transplant? guess we’ll see I loved seeing the backstory I definitely thought kiruko was struggling with gender identity so the twist was very unexpected having said that… why is the world so into incest? I almost said just anime/Japan but damn near every other porn has incestuous themes and huge shows like game of thrones feature it so it’s like what the hell man lol it’s so weird |
| meh I'd still tap that, hell that's even better HIJIKATA VOICE ACTOR |
FMmatron said: These designs give me SoreMachi PTSD. Oh, how that show deserved an S2... Rumors weren't lying about the doc and his craziness. Not sure if this is the dream or nightmare of every siscon. Great eh I mean fucked up backstory, it's only getting better. Like this show has everything from the dystopian setting contrasting with the innocent designs to the thrill and mystery. |
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| Intense but maybe should have been more intense, like it gets a 8/10 when it should have got a 9/10 |
| Show has been great so far. Really enjoying learning about this world and the mystery. Characters have been likable and the animation has been great. |
deg said: yeah they sneaked that in there lol.It was weird but man that sentence ' finding occasional faint solace of having inherited the body of the someone I love' sounded so profound and poetic ngl . people miss the masturbation scene eh its around 16:20 this explains the mirror kiss scene in old episode  |
samsince04 said: Everyone's gushing about Oshi no Ko, Jigokuraku and dem man but this has genuinely been my favorite seasonal so far. This backstory hurts man. It explains so much about Kiriko and those scars... the more I think about it, the more I'm horrified. Also, nice to hear Hijikata's VA in Robin. I recognized that voice so quickly. i have to agree, even though i don't think any of these episodes were as good as oshi no ko's pilot, everything about this one just feels its been made for me. if all thing go well this is can easily make it to my top 3 of the year. hell it might make it to my top 10 all time favorites. |
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