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Jan 6, 2022 2:46 AM
#1
First of all, I personally feel that its not the staffs' fault for rushing the anime and making it look bad. Its Cloverworks studio for pressuring and rushing them to finish the anime. I understand that its a lot of money to produce an anime but that's not how you produce a show. Yeah sure they made lots of great ones but this one I feel like something is wrong with the STUDIO Not only this anime is destroyed... There are other animes who had this same problem. Like Horimiya (Rushed planning - Last episode which is literally adapted from the LAST CHAPTER OF THE MANGA) Wonder Egg Special episode - Terrible Rushed Planning Conclusion I'm pretty sure there are MORE MANGA ADAPTATIONS & Originals coming (SPY X FAMILY) and I'm going to double check by looking at the manga and the anime all at once just to make sure if they really played properly or try to screw up again just like those animes. What do you guys think?? |
Jan 6, 2022 3:03 AM
#2
Agree Didn't they also ruin Tokyo ghoul ? Or was that another studio ? |
Jan 6, 2022 3:08 AM
#3
that was studio pierrot |
Jan 6, 2022 3:25 AM
#4
ANGRY_CRITIC_BOY said: First of all, I personally feel that its not the staffs' fault for rushing the anime and making it look bad. Its Cloverworks studio for pressuring and rushing them to finish the anime. I understand that its a lot of money to produce an anime but that's not how you produce a show. Yeah sure they made lots of great ones but this one I feel like something is wrong with the STUDIO Not only this anime is destroyed... There are other animes who had this same problem. Like Horimiya (Rushed planning - Last episode which is literally adapted from the LAST CHAPTER OF THE MANGA) Wonder Egg Special episode - Terrible Rushed Planning Conclusion I'm pretty sure there are MORE MANGA ADAPTATIONS & Originals coming (SPY X FAMILY) and I'm going to double check by looking at the manga and the anime all at once just to make sure if they really played properly or try to screw up again just like those animes. What do you guys think?? You do know that "the staff" comprises Cloverworks also? |
Well I for one already loved Lain. |
Jan 6, 2022 3:25 AM
#5
Jan 6, 2022 3:39 AM
#6
Cloverwork did a shitty job for Horimiya and TPN and I'm really worried about Spy X Family but like nothing could go wrong when there's WIT studio am I right? |
Jan 6, 2022 3:43 AM
#7
We need The promised neverland: brotherhood |
Jan 6, 2022 3:59 AM
#8
WigoSas said: Brotherhood came out years after the original so we probably have a long wait if we want a good adaptation.We need The promised neverland: brotherhood |
Jan 6, 2022 4:20 AM
#9
I hope cloverworks higher ups stops killing their staff someday because jeez man,they have a family... |
Jan 6, 2022 4:25 AM
#10
You cloverworks is made up off staff right? There isn't some monolithic being called cloverworks that makes anime, it's a group of people |
Jan 6, 2022 4:26 AM
#11
I don't think anyone was blamimg the animators or the background artist or the sound guy. This is clearly a bean counter issue. |
MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
Jan 6, 2022 5:07 AM
#13
Wasn't it the producers fault ? I mean it's not like CloverWorks has its own money to do whatever they want , they should do whatever the producers want |
Jan 6, 2022 5:52 AM
#14
I believe several different people/companies are to blame. I don’t think it was just one person. The production committee most likely played a big role in how things turned out, but CloverWorks is also responsible to some degree. If nothing else, CloverWorks can undeniably be blamed for the bad animation. But after seeing how many other series CloverWorks has “ruined” I’m starting to think they played a bigger role than we first thought, but I still don’t think they’re the only ones to blame. |
Jan 6, 2022 6:23 AM
#15
I'm all for a better adaptation of 2nd season with 100% compliance to manga. They should take all their time this time, I'll wait. |
Jan 6, 2022 6:34 AM
#16
ANGRY_CRITIC_BOY said: given how wep went as an original, I definitely hope that this "Tokyo 24th ward" goes smoothly too.First of all, I personally feel that its not the staffs' fault for rushing the anime and making it look bad. Its Cloverworks studio for pressuring and rushing them to finish the anime. I understand that its a lot of money to produce an anime but that's not how you produce a show. Yeah sure they made lots of great ones but this one I feel like something is wrong with the STUDIO Not only this anime is destroyed... There are other animes who had this same problem. Like Horimiya (Rushed planning - Last episode which is literally adapted from the LAST CHAPTER OF THE MANGA) Wonder Egg Special episode - Terrible Rushed Planning Conclusion I'm pretty sure there are MORE MANGA ADAPTATIONS & Originals coming (SPY X FAMILY) and I'm going to double check by looking at the manga and the anime all at once just to make sure if they really played properly or try to screw up again just like those animes. What do you guys think?? Vexem said: wait so your saying that tpn is average or shitty?Yeah. I agree that cloverworks is a pretty shitty studio and manages to damage already average or shitty manga |
Jan 6, 2022 6:41 AM
#17
well not really I'm just wondering why your in a Promised Neverland thread and stuff if you don't even like the series. |
Jan 6, 2022 9:50 AM
#18
ANGRY_CRITIC_BOY said: First of all, I personally feel that its not the staffs' fault for rushing the anime and making it look bad. Its Cloverworks studio for pressuring and rushing them to finish the anime. I understand that its a lot of money to produce an anime but that's not how you produce a show. Yeah sure they made lots of great ones but this one I feel like something is wrong with the STUDIO Not only this anime is destroyed... There are other animes who had this same problem. Like Horimiya (Rushed planning - Last episode which is literally adapted from the LAST CHAPTER OF THE MANGA) Wonder Egg Special episode - Terrible Rushed Planning Conclusion I'm pretty sure there are MORE MANGA ADAPTATIONS & Originals coming (SPY X FAMILY) and I'm going to double check by looking at the manga and the anime all at once just to make sure if they really played properly or try to screw up again just like those animes. What do you guys think?? Personally as someone who's seen both Horimiya and TPN (I sat through both seasons when we still had hope for the 2nd season okay) and i agree that they're both very rushed at the end but TPN S2 especially the last episode felt like a rushed hw assignment that you did 5 mins before the class that it's due in. Tbh I blame everyone involved in making it, obv to different degrees but they should've taken their time with TPN S2 especially bc of how amazing the first season was and how they kept all of our hopes up for a S2 which would've been just as amazing |
Jan 6, 2022 9:54 AM
#19
The pacing for TPN season 2 was not decided by CloverWorks, it was decided by the production committee, which consists mostly of the rights holders from the manga publisher. They decided to end TPN with season 2 because the manga was over and season 1 wasn’t very profitable, meaning there was no incentive to continue making the anime. That also means there will probably never be a Brotherhood style re-adaptation. The Horimiya pacing was also because of the production committee - they ordered a one-cour adaptation of the entire series. Wonder Egg actually was CloverWorks’s fault, but the others were not. Anime studios have next to no creative control over the shows they make unless they’re anime originals - that’s the only time the studio gets to be part of the production committee. If there were animation or sound problems in TPN or Horimiya, you could blame CloverWorks for that, but any problems with how the story goes are not their fault. |
Jan 6, 2022 9:55 AM
#20
It's the production committee and Aniplex who's at fault for pushing CloverWorks with shitty schedules and dumb moves like telling them they only have one cour for Promised Neverland lmao. Like Spy x Family has Toho instead of Aniplex and usually, Toho is a bit better with schedules and they have Wit too so people who are doomposting about CloverWorks working on SxF, its gonna be fine, stop. |
Jan 6, 2022 12:32 PM
#22
DevinePower468 said: There will never be a brotherhood because the manga itself goes downhill at around chapter 70. Manga has many flaws and i think thats why they went with anime original series but it turned to be even worse than the manga.WigoSas said: Brotherhood came out years after the original so we probably have a long wait if we want a good adaptation.We need The promised neverland: brotherhood |
Jan 6, 2022 12:49 PM
#23
CloverWorks messed up real bad with TPN S2 and the ending of WEP, but I still believe that they are a pretty good studio. Their animation is consistently well done. For the Horimiya case I have no complaints, cuz they skipped some of the boring SoL parts of the manga. At the end of the day every studio has its blunders, but we should also remember that Clover has made some pretty good anime as well. |
Jan 6, 2022 8:02 PM
#24
not what i meant. what i meant was that usually people dont go into forums about shows they dont really care about in the first place. |
Jan 7, 2022 1:05 AM
#25
It wasn't even clover works or the staff its the mangaka's wanting the anime ending to go differently than the managa did and it was just as bad CloverWorks animated it beautifully and the Staff did what the Mangaka's wanted. |
Jan 7, 2022 6:38 AM
#26
WigoSas said: We need The promised neverland: brotherhood I need a fucking like button for this. |
Jan 7, 2022 4:16 PM
#27
ANGRY_CRITIC_BOY said: First of all, I personally feel that its not the staffs' fault for rushing the anime and making it look bad. Its Cloverworks studio for pressuring and rushing them to finish the anime. I understand that its a lot of money to produce an anime but that's not how you produce a show. Yeah sure they made lots of great ones but this one I feel like something is wrong with the STUDIO Not only this anime is destroyed... There are other animes who had this same problem. Like Horimiya (Rushed planning - Last episode which is literally adapted from the LAST CHAPTER OF THE MANGA) Wonder Egg Special episode - Terrible Rushed Planning Conclusion I'm pretty sure there are MORE MANGA ADAPTATIONS & Originals coming (SPY X FAMILY) and I'm going to double check by looking at the manga and the anime all at once just to make sure if they really played properly or try to screw up again just like those animes. What do you guys think?? Season 2 ending = 20 minutes PowerPoint presentation |
yes. |
Jan 7, 2022 8:04 PM
#28
Austin_Beale said: The pacing for TPN season 2 was not decided by CloverWorks, it was decided by the production committee, which consists mostly of the rights holders from the manga publisher. They decided to end TPN with season 2 because the manga was over and season 1 wasn’t very profitable, meaning there was no incentive to continue making the anime. That also means there will probably never be a Brotherhood style re-adaptation. The Horimiya pacing was also because of the production committee - they ordered a one-cour adaptation of the entire series. Wonder Egg actually was CloverWorks’s fault, but the others were not. Anime studios have next to no creative control over the shows they make unless they’re anime originals - that’s the only time the studio gets to be part of the production committee. If there were animation or sound problems in TPN or Horimiya, you could blame CloverWorks for that, but any problems with how the story goes are not their fault. Here's the thing: I always see this sort of response, but never see a good reply to this. If they planned on ending it in 2 seasons, why not just make an actually decent season that people will look back on fondly and do the Goldy Pond arc and then end it. That way, if it proves profitable, then maybe they can at least revisit it without any major hiccups. I have not seen anyone say why they couldn't have just done this. Wouldn't manga sales have been just as high if they did that arc great and peoples wanted to continue the manga after it? Just straight up rushing it and destroying the franchise in the process and any chance of a reboot/future season seems like literally the worst choice they could have made... I would have been totally content, just like with s1, to just end TPN anime on a good note with a great Goldy Pond season and then have the manga. I just haven't seen anyone say why this *couldn't* have been a realistic option that they should/could have pursued... |
Jan 7, 2022 11:24 PM
#29
Shaghaf said: actually the later parts of the manga and the ending were very well received in Japan. So I doubt they made the changes to the anime based on negative reception to the manga that only really came from overseas.DevinePower468 said: There will never be a brotherhood because the manga itself goes downhill at around chapter 70. Manga has many flaws and i think thats why they went with anime original series but it turned to be even worse than the manga.WigoSas said: We need The promised neverland: brotherhood |
Jan 7, 2022 11:29 PM
#30
bulbacosplay said: all the mangaka did was supervise the scripts. That’s not the same as writing the scripts or coming up with ideas. There is no proof that he is directly responsible for all of the changes made to the story.It wasn't even clover works or the staff its the mangaka's wanting the anime ending to go differently than the managa did and it was just as bad CloverWorks animated it beautifully and the Staff did what the Mangaka's wanted. |
Jan 7, 2022 11:35 PM
#31
DukeofWalton said: the thing is, we don’t know for sure why they decided to change the story and ruin season 2. People have plenty of theories though. Some people have speculated that the reason they didn’t do Goldy Pond was because they didn’t have a big enough budget or they were afraid to animate kids with guns. But it’s important to keep in mind that nothing has been officially confirmed.Austin_Beale said: The pacing for TPN season 2 was not decided by CloverWorks, it was decided by the production committee, which consists mostly of the rights holders from the manga publisher. They decided to end TPN with season 2 because the manga was over and season 1 wasn’t very profitable, meaning there was no incentive to continue making the anime. That also means there will probably never be a Brotherhood style re-adaptation. The Horimiya pacing was also because of the production committee - they ordered a one-cour adaptation of the entire series. Wonder Egg actually was CloverWorks’s fault, but the others were not. Anime studios have next to no creative control over the shows they make unless they’re anime originals - that’s the only time the studio gets to be part of the production committee. If there were animation or sound problems in TPN or Horimiya, you could blame CloverWorks for that, but any problems with how the story goes are not their fault. Here's the thing: I always see this sort of response, but never see a good reply to this. If they planned on ending it in 2 seasons, why not just make an actually decent season that people will look back on fondly and do the Goldy Pond arc and then end it. That way, if it proves profitable, then maybe they can at least revisit it without any major hiccups. I have not seen anyone say why they couldn't have just done this. Wouldn't manga sales have been just as high if they did that arc great and peoples wanted to continue the manga after it? Just straight up rushing it and destroying the franchise in the process and any chance of a reboot/future season seems like literally the worst choice they could have made... I would have been totally content, just like with s1, to just end TPN anime on a good note with a great Goldy Pond season and then have the manga. I just haven't seen anyone say why this *couldn't* have been a realistic option that they should/could have pursued... |
Jan 7, 2022 11:36 PM
#32
Us613 said: bulbacosplay said: all the mangaka did was supervise the scripts. That’s not the same as writing the scripts or coming up with ideas. There is no proof that he is directly responsible for all of the changes made to the story.It wasn't even clover works or the staff its the mangaka's wanting the anime ending to go differently than the managa did and it was just as bad CloverWorks animated it beautifully and the Staff did what the Mangaka's wanted. There was evidence at the time that the anime came out that that is what the Mangaka wanted. So yes it's actually the Mangaka team who wanted the change and approved it. |
Jan 7, 2022 11:41 PM
#33
bulbacosplay said: do you have a reliable source that confirms that? Because the only thing I can find says he just supervised the scripts, which isn’t the same as wanting changes to be made.Us613 said: bulbacosplay said: It wasn't even clover works or the staff its the mangaka's wanting the anime ending to go differently than the managa did and it was just as bad CloverWorks animated it beautifully and the Staff did what the Mangaka's wanted. There was evidence at the time that the anime came out that that is what the Mangaka wanted. So yes it's actually the Mangaka team who wanted the change and approved it. |
Jan 7, 2022 11:43 PM
#34
better google about production committee and why they are to blame more than anime studios |
Jan 7, 2022 11:47 PM
#35
Us613 said: bulbacosplay said: all the mangaka did was supervise the scripts. That’s not the same as writing the scripts or coming up with ideas. There is no proof that he is directly responsible for all of the changes made to the story.It wasn't even clover works or the staff its the mangaka's wanting the anime ending to go differently than the managa did and it was just as bad CloverWorks animated it beautifully and the Staff did what the Mangaka's wanted. Do you really think they just go over the Mangaka's head when making an anime? The Mangaka team wasn't happy with how the manga went and actually wanted a different way to go about the ending which they did with the anime. The first season turned out perfectly while the second ended terribly because they decided to take out crucial characters to the plot and make it "anime original". The Mangaka still has to make the "play" when it comes to changes. And make sure the show based off this manga is how they wanted while still giving the studio SOME freedom but the ending was pretty much the Mangaka's idea in the end though they didn't write the script they are still apart of what happened. |
Jan 7, 2022 11:50 PM
#36
Us613 said: DukeofWalton said: the thing is, we don’t know for sure why they decided to change the story and ruin season 2. People have plenty of theories though. Some people have speculated that the reason they didn’t do Goldy Pond was because they didn’t have a big enough budget or they were afraid to animate kids with guns. But it’s important to keep in mind that nothing has been officially confirmed.Austin_Beale said: The pacing for TPN season 2 was not decided by CloverWorks, it was decided by the production committee, which consists mostly of the rights holders from the manga publisher. They decided to end TPN with season 2 because the manga was over and season 1 wasn’t very profitable, meaning there was no incentive to continue making the anime. That also means there will probably never be a Brotherhood style re-adaptation. The Horimiya pacing was also because of the production committee - they ordered a one-cour adaptation of the entire series. Wonder Egg actually was CloverWorks’s fault, but the others were not. Anime studios have next to no creative control over the shows they make unless they’re anime originals - that’s the only time the studio gets to be part of the production committee. If there were animation or sound problems in TPN or Horimiya, you could blame CloverWorks for that, but any problems with how the story goes are not their fault. Here's the thing: I always see this sort of response, but never see a good reply to this. If they planned on ending it in 2 seasons, why not just make an actually decent season that people will look back on fondly and do the Goldy Pond arc and then end it. That way, if it proves profitable, then maybe they can at least revisit it without any major hiccups. I have not seen anyone say why they couldn't have just done this. Wouldn't manga sales have been just as high if they did that arc great and peoples wanted to continue the manga after it? Just straight up rushing it and destroying the franchise in the process and any chance of a reboot/future season seems like literally the worst choice they could have made... I would have been totally content, just like with s1, to just end TPN anime on a good note with a great Goldy Pond season and then have the manga. I just haven't seen anyone say why this *couldn't* have been a realistic option that they should/could have pursued... The last time we went into the restaurant, we were served filet mignon. We came back in later, expecting filet mignon again, but were served a shit sandwich and no one can tell us why we were served a shit sandwich rather than filet mignon. lol. But yes, I've heard the same theories about budget concerns and "kids with guns." I hope to god it's not kids with guns, because if that's the case then just don't confirm a second season. Just either cancel a s2 or end the show with s1. I almost want to go with budget concerns, because I actually do feel like they couldn't pull it off. Look back at some of those Goldy Pond panels. I don't see CW pulling it off. |
Jan 7, 2022 11:59 PM
#37
if you want to blame the anime studio then blame its upper management like CEO from accepting the anime project from the production committee |
Jan 8, 2022 12:03 AM
#38
bulbacosplay said: again, there’s nothing that directly confirms that the mangaka wanted these changes to happen. And I haven’t heard any official source claim that the ending was his idea. It’s equally possible that the mangaka didn't want any changes to be made, but he didn't have the power to stop them from happening. After all, he’s not the director or the production committee. He probably was allowed to comment on the changes or make suggestions, but the people at the top technically don’t have to listen to him. Being the author of the manga or a script supervisor doesn’t give him ultimate power over the anime. And the production committee doesn’t have to get his approval on ideas or changes being made before going through with them.Us613 said: bulbacosplay said: It wasn't even clover works or the staff its the mangaka's wanting the anime ending to go differently than the managa did and it was just as bad CloverWorks animated it beautifully and the Staff did what the Mangaka's wanted. Do you really think they just go over the Mangaka's head when making an anime? The Mangaka team wasn't happy with how the manga went and actually wanted a different way to go about the ending which they did with the anime. The first season turned out perfectly while the second ended terribly because they decided to take out crucial characters to the plot and make it "anime original". The Mangaka still has to make the "play" when it comes to changes. And make sure the show based off this manga is how they wanted while still giving the studio SOME freedom but the ending was pretty much the Mangaka's idea in the end though they didn't write the script they are still apart of what happened. |
Us613Jan 8, 2022 12:28 AM
Jan 8, 2022 12:09 AM
#39
DukeofWalton said: yeah I really want to know why it happened to. But at this point we’re unlikely to ever get an official answer. No one wanted credit for writing the last 2 episodes so why would someone take credit for the whole season? Plus the people involved are probably embarrassed and don’t want to think or speak about what happened behind the scenes and honestly I don’t blame them.Us613 said: DukeofWalton said: Austin_Beale said: The pacing for TPN season 2 was not decided by CloverWorks, it was decided by the production committee, which consists mostly of the rights holders from the manga publisher. They decided to end TPN with season 2 because the manga was over and season 1 wasn’t very profitable, meaning there was no incentive to continue making the anime. That also means there will probably never be a Brotherhood style re-adaptation. The Horimiya pacing was also because of the production committee - they ordered a one-cour adaptation of the entire series. Wonder Egg actually was CloverWorks’s fault, but the others were not. Anime studios have next to no creative control over the shows they make unless they’re anime originals - that’s the only time the studio gets to be part of the production committee. If there were animation or sound problems in TPN or Horimiya, you could blame CloverWorks for that, but any problems with how the story goes are not their fault. Here's the thing: I always see this sort of response, but never see a good reply to this. If they planned on ending it in 2 seasons, why not just make an actually decent season that people will look back on fondly and do the Goldy Pond arc and then end it. That way, if it proves profitable, then maybe they can at least revisit it without any major hiccups. I have not seen anyone say why they couldn't have just done this. Wouldn't manga sales have been just as high if they did that arc great and peoples wanted to continue the manga after it? Just straight up rushing it and destroying the franchise in the process and any chance of a reboot/future season seems like literally the worst choice they could have made... I would have been totally content, just like with s1, to just end TPN anime on a good note with a great Goldy Pond season and then have the manga. I just haven't seen anyone say why this *couldn't* have been a realistic option that they should/could have pursued... The last time we went into the restaurant, we were served filet mignon. We came back in later, expecting filet mignon again, but were served a shit sandwich and no one can tell us why we were served a shit sandwich rather than filet mignon. lol. But yes, I've heard the same theories about budget concerns and "kids with guns." I hope to god it's not kids with guns, because if that's the case then just don't confirm a second season. Just either cancel a s2 or end the show with s1. I almost want to go with budget concerns, because I actually do feel like they couldn't pull it off. Look back at some of those Goldy Pond panels. I don't see CW pulling it off. |
Jan 8, 2022 10:12 AM
#40
DevinePower468 said: WigoSas said: Brotherhood came out years after the original so we probably have a long wait if we want a good adaptation.We need The promised neverland: brotherhood I think is better we wait for a good adaptation lol Promised Neverland is a big and good story who needs a real good adaptation. Maybe if the anime goes to another studio will be better? |
Jan 11, 2022 2:43 PM
#41
Yeah, but you gotta give them credit for making Attack on Titan into such a masterpiece |
Jan 11, 2022 6:40 PM
#42
2022 and people still don't know how a anime adaptation works and who makes the decisions for series like TPN, and nope, isn't the studio in charge. Btw, people talking about TPN Brotherhood, the only thing would happen is another bad ending since the manga goes downhill after a while and never recover from the greatness of the first arcs |
Jan 15, 2022 4:46 PM
#43
They also ruined about the last quarter (last three episodes) of season one of Shadows House. It went from being easily a no-brainer for my favorite series of the season and top contender for series of the year in my book to basically just decent, and the fact that it was still decent overall is a testament to the strength of what came before and not how aggressively, egregiously, and extremely painstakingly obviously those last few episodes were rushed to the max. Doing something like that just undermines and shreds the immersive ability and quality, legitimacy, cohesion, and integrity of a whole show to its foundation. It's the anime equivalent of Game of Thrones season 8. Here's hoping and praying they don't torpedo Shadows House's season 2 with more of their nonsense. |
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