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Chargecoulomb said: Bern - yeah Lambda - no. Lambda was the one who gave Takano her certainty, her messing with her own origin is paradoxical and probably would be some kind of logic error. Lambda is probably the one manipulating Satoko in SotsuGou though. Having abandoned Takano (causing her to question her plans and stop them) Although it's hard to tell what's bait and what's important. Eua was obviously bait for Featherine (that ended up going nowhere) so yeah... Whether it's bait or not I cannot say There is probably more to Lambdatoko since they keep referencing the Vier stuff, but the paradoxical stuff doesn't matter, that assumes SotsoGou is well written when the writing constantly ignores and retcons everything it doesn't like. It's a bunch of nonsense where even the last episodes straight up decide to ignore every rule regarding looping they set up. |
Jin_uzukiSep 30, 2021 2:07 PM
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Si1verR0se said: Chargecoulomb said: Isn't this the reason Ryuukishi wrote Miotsukushi? It has 'le power of friendship' too, but it's toned down, and actually makes sense within the events of the arc. I wonder why we didn't get "Miotsukushi" anime? Or any console arc, not only it would've been better, it also would've been better to draw more fans into franchise along with giving a bit of recaps of OG(and it won't feels that forced and blunt) DEEN probably would have made Miotsukushi if it existed when they were around. But the rest of the console arcs... Tomoe and co from the advanced arcs are not that popular unfortunately. It's kinda of a shame, since the advanced arcs have some genuinely good characters like Huji, Nagisa and Natsumi. I actually had an idea for this 1. Anime starts with alternative questions arcs (example the one where Mion, Rena and K1 team up to kill Teppei) 2. Then focuses on the advanced arcs. Including Yoigoshi hen. Giving the viewer more info about the GHD. 3. Answer arcs start with Kataribanashi explaining the origin of Oyashiro-sama, and Hanyuu. 4. Quick recap of Tsumi, and Mina. 5. Miotsukushi-Kizuna version. And you get a show both new and old viewers can watch |
| It was good overall but nothing amazing. Still better than the previous season imo. 7/10 |
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| Lol'd at the scene with both of them talking calmly in the shore. I know that in the battlefield rationality can grow, as throwing hands can help blow off some stress, but it felt such a nonsequitour, and not the good type of one. Like - did all these years make Rika desencetized to killing that she can easily forget what Satoko did? Her despeir at the beggining for dying and re-entering the loop seemed really geniune. Also - we had an episode where Satoko literally killed off Satoko - as in only the obsessive "witch" self should remain, making the shore scene and later even more...unverosimil? Who know, maybe, at the end of it all, DEEN's Higurashi was the real Higurashi the entire time, and Gou/Sotsu are just an entire campaign to make fans apreciate the 2006 version more. (Who knows, either that or Ryo is taking more from Nasu than just Ciel....) Also @ the train scene |
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| The only good thing about this sequel was me getting Satoshi out of coma at least, everything else was such a big waste of time - and we still didn't get any scene with Satoshi reconnecting with Satoko and Shion, which was such a let down whatsoever. Again, I feel so bitter about this all. |
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ssjokg said: Relatable af, my friend.My expectations were abysmal but holy fuck. |
| Fuck off, just because you had Dear You playing doesn't equal a good ending. I feel robbed, Deen's didn't have it on their ending but this shit does? I'm at least thankful that it's good. This is what happens when a literal catfight between two stupid teenage girls gets expanded into 30+ episodes. Cut out all the loop shit and this will end in 5-6 episodes of OVA, it even makes more sense that way! But no, we need to destroy every single character, make a bullshit story/plot point, have a bunch of unrelated references to other WTC works because why not, and waste everyone's time. 10/10 an absolute piece of art, wake up people. Also, did these two idiots loop again? What, why? For a clean slate? Satoko could've just dropped out and moved on. Why am still thinking too hard about this? Also, that Satoshi waking up was so cheap lmao. R07, you don't need to feel pressured to make him still relevant. Keeping him in a coma would be far better. And thanks for giving Shion extra screen time, she definitely needs it. Oh well, at least they ain't announcing Umineko remake. It will fall harder than Deen for sure if Passione is working on it. Back to the hiding, then |
Si1verR0se said: more after this when it ended good, (though rushed imo lol) whyyy, if its a sequel anyway.Chargecoulomb said: New (anime?) Work. Confirmed to not be Umineko https://higurashinazotoki.olevent.jp/lp/  Imagine Ciconia anime lol Also where does your "confirmed" comes from? Do you forget how many lies were in promotion nf SotsuGou |
| Leaker was right all along. SotsuGou never existed for me with this ending. Are you fucking stupid? You still are doubling down that this is Lambda and Bern Origin story? If you told me last episode yeah, without watching this i would say yeah sure but after this slice of life ending come on. So glowing eyes = witches. How many characters in the entire Higurashi series had their eyes glowing because of the H1N4 drug?. They are all witches is that it?. Don't be fucking stupid, there needs to be either the alternative sequel adaptation or that new project that we will see something in December to back up as proof because this is not enough. This is just being tinfioil hat conspiracy theory and refusing to see this ending. |
| Shiki is the best anime and unique with his style design, you can't change my mind from it |
| This was trash lol. What was the point of this other than the 2-3 Umineko connections they made? |
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| probably the most disappointing thing this year |
| this was truly disappointing, holy shit. gou was miles better than this. |
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| Leaker-sama your guess was so accurate that I thought you were trolling. Guess Ryukishi was the one trolling again this time around. Seriously though, what the heck was this ending?! Satoko lives happily ever after?! Even after all those atrocious ways she killed people?! Also didn't Satoko kill her good self? Why is she able to bring that good self out again?! The audacity to play Dear You at the end of this hot garbage really irritates me. Also I can't believe that I'm saying this, but every single character in this entire series, except Satoko and Rika, were forgettable AND EVEN THEN they were better than the leads because of how childish Rika's and Satoko's argument has been. Overall 1/10 |
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| So much was wrong with the writing and direction of this season that I quite literally don't know where to begin and this post won't even faintly scratch the surface. The plot of these two seasons just sucked on high and the writing in terms of fleshing out said plot and exploration of characters was vapid, devoid of all substance, and near completely non-existent. The central conflict was not only about 1000x more petty than the story of the original seasons - it itself wasn't even explored or developed at all beyond "I hate studying! I hate even looking at and thinking about studying! and "I'll beat the math into your head until you memorize it and make you study because I want you with me!" Rena, Keiichi, Mion, and Shion were treated like less than nothing to focus on Rika and Satoko, but after almost 40 episodes I don't feel I've learned anything more about Rika and Satoko individually or collectively than I had to begin with after having seen the original seasons. No further insight and nothing else of value or worth either. You ignore Rena, Keiichi, Mion, and Shion to place Rika and Satoko center stage, which is fine in theory, but then Rika is a non-POV character throughout Sotsu and Satoko's POV is the most surface level and shallow, gimmicky, undeveloped, trite and repetitive BS imaginable. The central plotline and motivations in these seasons didn't seem to rise above or be treated with any more seriousness beyond what I would expect in a typical multi-episode OVA special, which are usually non-canon bonus content just for fun. To be frank, as I sit here I still can't believe two entire TV seasons, dozens of episodes, were devoted to the quality of plot you would usually expect from an OVA. It seems fucking outrageous when you stop to actually think about it. I was an ardent critic early on of many aspects of Gou, but Gou was actually at least a point better than this (to use the 1 - 10 rating scale for reference). Partially because then there was still hope, optimism, and opportunity to take the story in any direction imaginable they wanted, so the benefit of the doubt was extended. Partially because so much of Sotsu was just reusing Gou scenes with nothing of any real value added at all. Nothing intelligent, nothing funny, nothing scary, nothing emotionally stimulating as saddening or heartwarming or thought-provoking or...anything. The recapped portion just feels like watching Mystery Science Theatre 3000 with Satoko very limited and predictable commentary superimposed on those scenes. This actually retroactively raised my opinion of some other previous entries in the Higurashi series by force of comparison. Firstly, Gou, believe it or not, because the ending is usually more disappointing than the beginning as that is where all expectations, hopes, and dreams lie and go to die. Secondly, Kira. I used to consider Kira the obvious worst and rated it a "3". In the intervening time since first viewing and all through this past year of Gou and Sotsu airing, I reconsidered and bumped it up to a 5. Again, the comparative weight forces you to re-assess your own scale. So I'm rating Sotsu a 4/10. And truthfully, if I were trying to be more objective and really taking into account and stacking it against the absolute artistic gems and master works of the cream of the crop of other anime I've seen on the 1 - 10 scale, it would be even far lower. But I consider myself a fairly generous scorer and the extra points are for sentimentality because....it's Higurashi. But it's truly Higurashi at its worst. Final breakdown from my end of the standing of all the Higurashi anime series entries, including regular seasons and OVA specials: 1.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai - 10/10 2.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - 10/10 3.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Special: Nekogoroshi-hen - 9/10 4.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei - 6/10 5.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kaku: Outbreak - 7/10 6.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kira - 5/10 7.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou - 5/10 8.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu - 4/10 |
WatchTillTandavaSep 30, 2021 5:47 PM
| I guess that after years, this anime doesn't lose its charm... |
| im happy we finally got to see the gang in their new cute outfits right oh its gonna be awkward when satoshi wakes up and see that satoko is on good terms with the uncle lmao |
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Jean-Antoine said: WatchTillTandava said: 6.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou - 5/10 7.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu - 4/10 WOW, now I need to know, what kind of shit it needs to be for have a 3 or less by your rating Well, I rarely rate things that low to begin with. As I mentioned in my post, I do consider myself more on the generous side when it comes to scoring, partially because of selectivity bias, that I mostly only choose to watch things in the first place that I'm interested in and likely to be passionate about to some extent, and have a pretty keen knack and aptitude for selecting things that I will connect with somehow. I know myself very well and usually have a good idea of what I can expect to like. I've never once handed out a "1" rating, for instance. But an example of a few series I've rated lower are Terra Formars with a 2 and Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne with a 2. |
WatchTillTandava said: So much was wrong with the writing and direction of this season that I quite literally don't know where to begin and this post won't even faintly scratch the surface. The plot of these two seasons just sucked on high and the writing in terms of fleshing out said plot and exploration of characters was vapid, devoid of all substance, and near completely non-existent. The central conflict was not only about 1000x more petty than the story of the original seasons - it itself wasn't even explored or developed at all beyond "I hate studying! I hate even looking at and thinking about studying! and "I'll beat the math into your head until you memorize it and make you study because I want you with me!" Rena, Keiichi, Mion, and Shion were treated like less than nothing to focus on Rika and Satoko, but after almost 40 episodes I don't feel I've learned anything more about Rika and Satoko individually or collectively than I had to begin with after having seen the original seasons. No further insight and nothing else of value or worth either. You ignore Rena, Keiichi, Mion, and Shion to place Rika and Satoko center stage, which is fine in theory, but then Rika is a non-POV character throughout Sotsu and Satoko's POV is the most surface level and shallow, gimmicky, undeveloped, trite and repetitive BS imaginable. The central plotline and motivations in these seasons didn't seem to rise above or be treated with any more seriousness beyond what I would expect in a typical multi-episode OVA special, which are usually non-canon bonus content just for fun. To be frank, as I sit here I still can't believe two entire TV seasons, dozens of episodes, were devoted to the quality of plot you would usually expect from an OVA. It seems fucking outrageous when you stop to actually think about it. I was an ardent critic early on of many aspects of Gou, but Gou was actually at least a point better than this (to use the 1 - 10 rating scale for reference). Partially because then there was still hope, optimism, and opportunity to take the story in any direction imaginable they wanted, so the benefit of the doubt was extended. Partially because so much of Sotsu was just reusing Gou scenes with nothing of any real value added at all. Nothing intelligent, nothing funny, nothing scary, nothing emotionally stimulating as saddening or heartwarming or thought-provoking or...anything. The recapped portion just feels like watching Mystery Science Theatre 3000 with Satoko very limited and predictable commentary superimposed on those scenes. This actually retroactively raised my opinion of some other previous entries in the Higurashi series by force of comparison. Firstly, Gou, believe it or not, because the ending is usually more disappointing than the beginning as that is where all expectations, hopes, and dreams lie and go to die. Secondly, Kira. I used to consider Kira the obvious worst and rated it a "3". In the intervening time since first viewing and all through this past year of Gou and Sotsu airing, I reconsidered and bumped it up to a 5. Again, the comparative weight forces you to re-assess your own scale. So I'm rating Sotsu a 4/10. And truthfully, if I were trying to be more objective and really taking into account and stacking it against the absolute artistic gems and master works of the cream of the crop of other anime I've seen on the 1 - 10 scale, it would be even far lower. But I consider myself a fairly generous scorer and the extra points are for sentimentality because....it's Higurashi. But it's truly Higurashi at its worst. Final breakdown from my end of the standing of all the Higurashi anime series entries, including regular seasons and OVA specials: 1.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai - 10/10 2.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - 10/10 3.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Special: Nekogoroshi-hen - 9/10 4.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei - 6/10 5.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kaku: Outbreak - 7/10 6.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou - 5/10 7.) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu - 4/10 We learnt that Satoko is an insane piece of shit purely out of her own character, and this fact is never refuted by the ending of this show. Sure she snaps her fingers and goes back to 'regular Satoko'; but it was regular Satoko who, because she didn't fit in at school, went on a centuries spanning multi-dimensional rampage. She wasn't brainwashed by the witch, she was just already that much of a shit-head. Not only does this show make no attempt to absolve her, it doesn't even attempt to portray her as having the slightest bit of remorse for what she did. It ends with Satoko clearly being under the psychotic delusion that her crimes against the universe were nothing more than a rough spat with a friend. She is an extremely dangerous criminal on the loose, picture a revenge-shooter who cannot die and apparently* still has timelooping powers for some reason. If you consider Gousotsu as canon, then this is Satoko now. *I say 'apparently' because I'm skeptical of the exchange where Rika says they both still have timelooping powers, because of what we learnt about Rika throughout this series: that she is a complete goddamn retard. Who often makes an idiot of herself blabbering about things she knows nothing about. Watch the clip of Rika getting strangled in the Mion arc for evidence of this. And the next scene where she gets awkwardly kicked into a toilet is one of the scenes in this show that I enjoyed. Throughout this series, I have steadily grown to hate the new Rika. She is so whiny, and ineffectual, and I think her voice acting or direction went down the toilet. Maybe my dislike of this show has colored my hearing but I am watching Kai alongside this and I find her much more appealing to listen to there. In Sotsu she sounds like a gnome. I prefer Gou to Sotsu (I have them as 5 and 3). Both shows were bad with only a few moments or episodes here and there that I liked. Gou had more of them. -The stuff at St Lucia Academy in Gou was the best stuff, because it was fun to escape Hinamizawa for a while and see another side to Rika and Satoko that was actually natural and believable - I could see Satoko being tempted by that first time loop; it's only when she started doing them by the hundred that it became stupid. -The Rika death sequence of episodes where she is killed by various characters was fun in a bonus-material kind of way. -The intestine-dragging scene was good shock horror, it made me physically uncomfortable which was the most I ever felt out of this show. -In Sotsu there was pretty much only one part I enjoyed and that was the first half of episode 14. An entertaining, fast paced, violent brawl that makes me wish this had been a movie because I could look past the idiot plot if it respected my time and didn't bog me down with 30+ episodes of nothing. |
Haunt-botSep 30, 2021 6:31 PM
| Shoot first, think never. |
| When they pulled the DBZ fight in the previous episode I knew they're going for the rainbow and flowers way. As whole, GouSotsu were definitely nowhere near its predecessors especially with such a cliche ending. I think Gou was great, execution was almost perfection but Sotsu did a few things wrong. We didn't need 11 episodes to learn how Satoko orchestrates the events of Gou. The story could've been finished in 10 episodes if this duology wasn't about milking a cashcow. Rika's failures doesn't feel painful anymore, if anything I was bored. Sotsu wasted a potential of a much more in depth plot than this. Well, I expected better for Higurashi but you know what? GouSotsu has been a nice revisit of one of my favourite series. |
Jean-Antoine said: Damn, I see - you rated Spice and Wolf 2 just like Sotsu....now I'm not so sure about watching it. Did you watch the first season? Spice and Wolf II is still much better written as a story than Higurashi Sotsu; I can assure you of that. It's just a story I particularly detest with the path it goes down because of pointless mini arcs devoted to minor supporting characters who don't matter beyond the 2 -3 episode stretch they are featured in, overreliance on so many romance archetypes and cliches like a flat and impotent useless protagonist who simply can't speak up for himself in any way, and a cliffhanger non-ending left unresolved since 2009. If you ignore all that, the writing still has a lot more depth and intricacy to it and the direction and production is still technically sound. And I can say openly I added 1 or 2 points to Sotsu's final score due to Higurashi loyalism and nostalgic sentiment. |
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Jean-Antoine said: Damn, I see - you rated Spice and Wolf 2 just like Sotsu....now I'm not so sure about watching it. Ive read the LN of Spice and Wolf, everything hinges on how much you like Holo. Imo, sometimes she does become insufferable, and its kinda hard to like her. The way she treats Lawrence can be downright cruel at times. Although she mellows out alot by the end. Magdala de Nemure (written by the same authour) does things much better. |
Jean-Antoine said: Chargecoulomb said: Ive read the LN of Spice and Wolf, everything hinges on how much you like Holo. Imo, sometimes she does become insufferable, and its kinda hard to like her. The way she treats Lawrence can be downright cruel at times. Although she mellows out alot by the end. Magdala de Nemure (written by the same authour) does things much better. Still, I thing it's better than Gou/Sotsu and you can rate it higher than "worse than nothing" Its 100 percent better than Sotsugou. I would rate the story a 6 or 7, although I hear the Anime is faithful, so the my rating for that would be simmilar. Some people strongly dislike SandW. Its partly because Holo doesnt get the development she does in the later LN arcs in the Anime. Her most important character moments dont really take place yet. The problem here is that the Anime only adapts part of the story. I dont think the reader is supposed to like Holo in the earlier volumes, which is a problem , because thats all that they adapted into Anime. Read the Manga (which is complete) or the LN. |
| Finally, a happy ending for all Higurashi no Naku Koro characters, no one getting hurt or harmed. Even the former Yamainu, seems fine & hints at something new. Although this anime is a bit rushed, it's still entertaining and seeing the Gou - Sotsu also has a lot of references or takes something from all of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni "Studio Deen". Good job Passione. |
Jean-Antoine said: WatchTillTandava said: And I can say openly I added 1 or 2 points to Sotsu's final score due to Higurashi loyalism and nostalgic sentiment. Et tu, Brute? That's not the kind of loyalism I was expecting. They fucking ruined the original story for newbies by selling "remake" - that shit cannot be tolerated You're right - In a way it's pathetic, but it's like it just hurts me and cuts too deeply to give anything with the Higurashi name a lower rating. As far as ruining the original story, I would just say on that that I've gotten into the habit a long time ago of just ignoring inferior sequels. Since so many TV series and films have them. And I see this more as a sequel - as in, another sequential installment, rather than just a continuation of the original main story which was already over. So it's not hard to just watch/talk about/think about/recommend/deal with the original two seasons and possibly some or all of the OVAs depending on your preference and just ignore and never watch again the later sequel seasons. I feel like I do that for many different series (not just anime). And some series, such as Steins;Gate, Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, etc., I just decide right away from the beginning that I have no interest in even watching the sequels in the first place. |
| I don't know if it's because I had 0 expectations or I'm just happy in general that it's over, but I didn't despise this ending as much as I was expecting to. The happy ending was decent in my eyes First half felt just like the usual sotsu content with cringe dialogue with satoko and rika but the second half was much much better. I'm not gonna deny that I felt quite emotional when I heard "you". A lot of nostalgia and emotions come with the song and hearing it unexpectedly was a big highlight for me. Hinamizawa also looks very pretty in the sakura season It's a shame I didn't enjoy the new era of higurashi as much (especially sotsu) but it was a defining point for my thursdays so I'll give it that |
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| What was the even point of this entire series? Somehow everything just wraps up conveniently. Everything Satoko has done is just forgotten/forgiven with no explanation. She downright tortured her friend and at the end of the day it's like nothing ever happened. I'm not even sure where to begin to try and understand what they were trying to convey in this story. It feels pointless, a cheap attempt at shock, horror and needless gore, I couldn't care for the drama. In fact it's such an overly convoluted way to go about showing how Rika and Satoko care for each other. Literally the only good thing about this was Dear You at the end, it was literally the only thing that made me light up for a moment. 4/10, I rarely rate shows so low but this was genuinely terrible in my opinion. |
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| I only watched the OG higurashi, and when I saw that I was like, "Oh, a new anime adaptation, maybe they will make it more like the VN since I remember people complain about it, and I even might and go and play the VN afterwards", and in the back of my mind is, it's higurashi, what could possibly go wrong... and then Gou happened. I legit tried to find some hope in that mess, like, maybe they will say something about mental health or something on those lines, ye I was really trying grasp the straw with that one. And then sotsu happened, and kept going and going... and there was episode 14 and 15... sigh... what a waste of time and resources. I'm not into to WTC universe nor anything, maybe one day the VNs, but prolly I wouldn't even go past that if that's the standard, but I'm extremely disappointed. This is a bad higurashi story, and on top, it's a bad story in general, some shounen stories look like good aged wine compared to this. I usually don't even post about stuff, but, I legit wish I could refund the time I spent on this pathetic abomination. |
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