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Oct 22, 2020 5:12 PM

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firstawahono said:
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how the fuck did he survived and feel physicaly good after like 2 days? There is something wrong here


that was just keichi's hallucination and actually keichi killed her. rika had said before that rena is good girl and keichi's mind that made rena looks evil


I guess that's the only explanation. I'm still confused about new adaptation and still don't quite understand its destination. If its remake - that's absurd and absolutely needless, if its some kinda hybrid of new and old stuff - that's just confusing. 2006 adaption was much straightforward and easy to "read".
Oct 22, 2020 5:15 PM
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Kotopec1337 said:
firstawahono said:


that was just keichi's hallucination and actually keichi killed her. rika had said before that rena is good girl and keichi's mind that made rena looks evil


I guess that's the only explanation. I'm still confused about new adaptation and still don't quite understand its destination. If its remake - that's absurd and absolutely needless, if its some kinda hybrid of new and old stuff - that's just confusing. 2006 adaption was much straightforward and easy to "read".



i was just like you xD
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Oct 22, 2020 5:24 PM

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Kotopec1337 said:
firstawahono said:


that was just keichi's hallucination and actually keichi killed her. rika had said before that rena is good girl and keichi's mind that made rena looks evil


I guess that's the only explanation. I'm still confused about new adaptation and still don't quite understand its destination. If its remake - that's absurd and absolutely needless, if its some kinda hybrid of new and old stuff - that's just confusing. 2006 adaption was much straightforward and easy to "read".


It really wasnt straightforward. We were given no reason for the girls acting like it was shown. It was so early in the series that
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As I said before the exaggeration due to
may alienate new fans.
Oct 22, 2020 5:32 PM

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Well that escalated quickly. When happniess appears, they dissapate under the weight of despair. I imagine alot of newcomers would go WTF when watching this and what the hell happened with Rena, Rika and Satako. I know but the question is that will the anime explain well enough and leave enough hints and clues to piece it together or they simply just explain it in a future arc? Hopefully, it will strike a balance between the two. Since we are moving on to the next arc, we should get a more clearer idea if that is going to happen. As for the fight/murder scene, I mean Keiichi taking multiple stab wounds and still kicking was...off. But then again, I doubt you will die that quickly when your stabbed in the same place in your gut multiple times. Could be just a hallucination though and Keiichi dies on the spot or after shoving Rena, we don't truly know. Higurashi likes to play mind games like that.

Honestly, this whole arc was much more in your face about setting up what is to come in Higurashi Gou than the original. Whereas the first arc in the original Higurashi was more subtle, but was more focused on Keiichi's mental deteriation as to not understanding what is going or who to trust rather than this arc which had similar elements but was much more focused on the dwindling trust between Rena and Keiichi. So far at least, I've been liking this new Higurashi. Its OST, characters and pacing is still good, with it building up to the big climax like we jsut had. I am also been warming up to the animation and art style more now. But sutbtlely is lacking here with, like I said, being more in your face so far. This could change though with the next arc.
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Even though I also believe that some of the stabbing/beating part was Keiichi's hallucination, I don't think people should treat that as a fact already. It's perfectly possible that Rena really did stab Keiichi a dozen times and that the knife just wasn't that sharp or that she missed his vital organs.
We shouldn't pretend that our theories are the truth, especially since we don't know how reliable the narration here is.

I think the two most likely interpretations of that scene are:

1) Rena tried to kill Keiichi but died/was knocked out when he pushed her against the table and everything afterwards was his L5-induced hallucination

or

2) Rena really did get up after that, got on top off him and stabbed him a bunch of times, but Keiichi's mind exaggerated the situation and in reality he knocked her out sooner than the length of the scene would imply.

What I don't think is that literally everything was just in his head. Rena was clearly trying to murder him.
Oct 22, 2020 5:44 PM

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Bernkasten said:
Even though I also believe that some of the stabbing/beating part was Keiichi's hallucination, I don't think people should treat that as a fact already. It's perfectly possible that Rena really did stab Keiichi a dozen times and that the knife just wasn't that sharp or that she missed his vital organs.
We shouldn't pretend that our theories are the truth, especially since we don't know how reliable the narration here is.

I think the two most likely interpretations of that scene are:

1) Rena tried to kill Keiichi but died/was knocked out when he pushed her against the table and everything afterwards was his L5-induced hallucination

or

2) Rena really did get up after that, got on top off him and stabbed him a bunch of times, but Keiichi's mind exaggerated the situation and in reality he knocked her out sooner than the length of the scene would imply.

What I don't think is that literally everything was just in his head. Rena was clearly trying to murder him.


Well a few stabs and a couple dozen are pretty different. Even a bad knife or missed vitals would be too bad for the victim.

This isnt a Umineko gameboard where an obvious sliced neck is "just a prank bro".
Oct 22, 2020 6:05 PM

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So lemme get this straight.

Basically Rika thought it was Onikakushi-hen that was going on and focused on helping Keiichi get over his paranoia, but stuff from Tsumihoroboshi-hen was happening in the background (suggested by a line Rena used last episode), unaware to everyone. And since no one knew, no one was able to keep Rena from going L5.
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The_Sum_of_Zero said:
So lemme get this straight.

Basically Rika thought it was Onikakushi-hen that was going on and focused on helping Keiichi get over his paranoia, but stuff from Tsumihoroboshi-hen was happening in the background (suggested by a line Rena used last episode), unaware to everyone. And since no one knew, no one was able to keep Rena from going L5.
That's the theory, anyway
Oct 22, 2020 6:10 PM

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WOW! What an episode! Now it makes sense why Keiichi killed Rena at the beginning of the anime. Tbh i am surprised how he survived for so long and even managed to kill her!

I do wonder now if it was Rena who killed the other girls, or it was someone else?

I still have my doubts if a restart will happen, but let's hope.
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Oct 22, 2020 6:15 PM

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so uhh the bento happened and me thinking hey wait what if it's actually just a normal bento this time!? lets trust Rena even if i really shouldn't...good lord the following scene Rena looking like a hitman player going full lethal well with how insanely over the top it was still very intense but for real what is up with the censors or lack of them lol show has some of the darkest borders for night scenes that would look like censors but there it's just full on blood everywhere outside of the actual stabbing like what was the point.

on board with Keiichi's hallucination at least apart of it really can't remember but that'd at least explain how he managed to live when it wasn't actually that many stabs.



well we can put a end to is it a sequel or is it a remake?! still think it was a bad idea trying to see this to new comers but hey they want as many people watching it




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Oct 22, 2020 6:24 PM

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I don't see how Keiichi could actually have survived getting stabbed 20+ times. I also don't know what the Japanese censors thought that black spot was doing in terms of covering anything up unless it was blocking his intestines coming out or something.
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Oct 22, 2020 6:35 PM
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I felt tense since I did not know what was coming. The original dub was better. The knife scene was lame, the character design really don't pass the same feel, But I'm loving the new plot and the way they are delivering it.
Oct 22, 2020 6:37 PM

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Oh my holy virgin mother of fucking jesus god. That's it, that's my review of new episode.
Oct 22, 2020 6:37 PM
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Bernkasten said:
Even though I also believe that some of the stabbing/beating part was Keiichi's hallucination, I don't think people should treat that as a fact already. It's perfectly possible that Rena really did stab Keiichi a dozen times and that the knife just wasn't that sharp or that she missed his vital organs.
We shouldn't pretend that our theories are the truth, especially since we don't know how reliable the narration here is.

I think the two most likely interpretations of that scene are:

1) Rena tried to kill Keiichi but died/was knocked out when he pushed her against the table and everything afterwards was his L5-induced hallucination

or

2) Rena really did get up after that, got on top off him and stabbed him a bunch of times, but Keiichi's mind exaggerated the situation and in reality he knocked her out sooner than the length of the scene would imply.

What I don't think is that literally everything was just in his head. Rena was clearly trying to murder him.


This makes a LOT more sense. I hope we get to know
Oct 22, 2020 6:45 PM
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I don't see how Keiichi could actually have survived getting stabbed 20+ times. I also don't know what the Japanese censors thought that black spot was doing in terms of covering anything up unless it was blocking his intestines coming out or something.
Chances are really low to survive that but if a 20-year old girl can miraculously survive 61 stabbing to the chest and neck, its not totally impossible to survive what Keiichi got.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Mayu_Tomita
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Circled in red, I presume is the string featured in previous shots. Can someone explain why the string is there in the blood, hmm?

Oct 22, 2020 7:07 PM

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I really didn't wanna be one of those people who whined about the art style, but it really did take me out of it. I was expecting it to flip into the darker palette and more detailed style used in the OP for the serious scenes, because I assumed that was the whole gimmick with the cutesy art style, but I guess that'd be too much budget...?
Oct 22, 2020 7:10 PM

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That was some dark moment, I don't even know how he survived that stabbed, I mean Rena stabbed Maebara a lot and yet Rena died I think but I still think that was some crazy moment.

And looks like this is the end of this arc since Rika died I think..
Oct 22, 2020 7:16 PM
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That was some dark moment, I don't even know how he survived that stabbed, I mean Rena stabbed Maebara a lot and yet Rena died I think but I still think that was some crazy moment.

And looks like this is the end of this arc since Rika died I think..


The next episode preview said it was Watadamashi-hen.



Oct 22, 2020 7:17 PM
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yeah, I was afraid to open the door but unfortunately I fell asleep, lol .... even though it was raining but I managed to sleep and forget the incident in this episode, xD.


Lol, that’s good for you.
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Oct 22, 2020 7:31 PM

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I forget was this in the original, also they did not include the door scene was keichi crushes rena fingers.
Oct 22, 2020 7:32 PM

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Damn they censored the most interesting part... i'm disappointed

I think it will be uncensored in Blu-Ray.
Oct 22, 2020 7:43 PM
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I watched this a few hours ago and I still need time to properly process this.

I thought that the pacing was a bit weird at times and i'm really hoping that it's intentional but the ending for onidamashi hen felt a little bit too quick and sudden for me. I had a similar feeling when I first finished Watanagashi hen but Meakashi hen made it all worth it and amazing for me so hopefully this will end up having a somewhat similar effect.

The whole stabbing sequence lasted a bit longer than I would have liked but i'm not super upset with that.

I understand all the critisism for this episode and I do agree with some but I trust Ryukishi and I hope the way this episode was set up was intentional and the new changes will work to it's benefit.

I know I touched on a lot of things I didn't love but I still enjoyed this episode quite a bit and the mion auu and the rika usoda were unexpected but great.

I can't wait for the watanadamashi arc



Oct 22, 2020 7:43 PM

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So I've never seen the original, so I'm watching both at the same pace. But holy shit, do they majorly separate from each other. It's almost like this is an alternate timeline.
Oct 22, 2020 7:53 PM
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Im watching this one for epsiodes like these. And i love it...

This confirms it the Rena is a psychopath... But did K1 been affected too? Ohh love this one
Oct 22, 2020 7:57 PM

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Can I just say that merging Onikakushi with Tsumihoroboshi is such an amazing setup?

Onikakushi was surprising the first time around because Keichii was an unreliable narrator, but this won't work this time since we're already expecting a repeat of that.

And then R07 was like: NOW EVERY ONE IS AN UNRELIABLE NARRATOR, MOTHERFUCKERS!.
Oct 22, 2020 7:59 PM

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Botmpro said:
Should I watch the og one? is this a sequel for sure?

It's a new series that you can watch on its own, but it'll spoil the original and doesn't replace it.

If you can, I'd say watch the original, then watch Gou. If you're not planning to ever watch the original, which isconsidered one of the best horror anime ever made, you're fine just watching this.
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If Gou is a sequel of the anime, and not a remake, then this episode makes it very clear. But the only thing I don't get is that why isn't Rika Furude doing anything? After 100 years of struggle finally getting a good ending, she is now back at the loop hole, this time the world is really really messed up........whats going on?


She was looking after Rena and Keiichi that time. Also, she talked to Keiichi about his possible paranoia. I'm pretty sure she's also doing things in the background.
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Oct 22, 2020 8:15 PM

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That was some dark moment, I don't even know how he survived that stabbed, I mean Rena stabbed Maebara a lot and yet Rena died I think but I still think that was some crazy moment.

And looks like this is the end of this arc since Rika died I think..


The next episode preview said it was Watadamashi-hen.



yeah your probably right.
Oct 22, 2020 8:55 PM
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wow solo wow realmente me dejo con la duda si de verdad rena sobrevivio
Oct 22, 2020 9:03 PM
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When Keiichi hit Rena with the alarm clock and she went still just to laugh in his face. i laughed so loud lol. something to do with the timing and it was also like she was some demon in Ash vs the evil undead "bwaha your shitty alarm clock won't work on me"
Oct 22, 2020 9:08 PM

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Botmpro said:
Should I watch the og one? is this a sequel for sure?

You should watch the originals and all OVAs because you won't understand a lot of stuff because they were explained in the original version and they won't go through them again. And for heads up I believe this story is after the original version so to understand everything you should watch the original, and after all it's a master piece, so go catch it.
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Marinate1016 said:
Fucking speechless bro. Firstly, how the fuck do you survive being stabbed 25+ times in the chest? Considering when help would’ve arrived there’s no way you’re not dead from internal bleeding and blood loss. That scene was supposed to be really serious, but I couldn’t help but laugh.

Ok that aside, thrilling episode. Hated that it was over so soon. I need like 2-3 eps of this show per week. As soon as everything gets going the ED rolls seemingly

I’m guessing the nurse at the end put some voodoo on Keichi prompting him to claw his neck to death to prevent him from talking.

I was thinking the same like "how the f*** he survived, but, in the hospital he had head injuries and a neck protector, so most likely he was the one stabbing rena, and we saw a "parody"
Oct 22, 2020 9:15 PM

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how did keichii get stabbed for 14 mins straight in the abdomen, upwards of 30 times, then beat Rena with a clock and lived while Rena didn't. Is homie juiced up on pain killers or something?

Good episode, got "jump" scared multiple times, and the story is very interesting to boot.
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mixed feelings. the horror aspect is just not as scary, and it kinda looks more like satire if anything? also maybe keichi survived because he was the one that actually killed rena and then later went on to kill rika and satoko because he's the one with the curse? at least this ep was surprising seeing that it took a different path compared to the original.
Oct 22, 2020 9:32 PM

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Jesus Christ what an episode, based on the spoilers people are saying I have a small grasp of what is happening. But, that was really good for me. This being my first horror/mystery anime, I really like it.

Though if anything this episode really made me want to watch the original so badly, I just might cause, it's so interesting. The visual novels are probably better but, I ain't got no time for that so I'll just watch the original anime.

Take note bois clock > knife.
Oct 22, 2020 9:35 PM

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This episode slapped, but how the hell keiitchi didn't bleed out after 20 stabs is a lil nutty. Censors are a turn off for sure though.

Something seems fishy about this fragment though, its a little unstable. Can't quite piece it together.
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That censor, wtf. Literally a round black shape.

This episode was not thaaaaaaat bad, but... okay, I guess?
Oct 22, 2020 10:23 PM
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how did keichii get stabbed for 14 mins straight in the abdomen, upwards of 30 times, then beat Rena with a clock and lived while Rena didn't. Is homie juiced up on pain killers or something?

Good episode, got "jump" scared multiple times, and the story is very interesting to boot.


it's higurashi, so what we've seen is not actually happened. some stabbing scenes are keichi's hallucination. keichi may be the one who kills rena, rika, and satoko with the same knife but keichi doesnt realize that. that's just theory, so we dont know what actually happened yet
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This episode slapped, but how the hell keiitchi didn't bleed out after 20 stabs is a lil nutty. Censors are a turn off for sure though.

Something seems fishy about this fragment though, its a little unstable. Can't quite piece it together.


some stabbing scenes are keichi's hallucination
Oct 22, 2020 10:30 PM
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Bernkasten said:
Even though I also believe that some of the stabbing/beating part was Keiichi's hallucination, I don't think people should treat that as a fact already. It's perfectly possible that Rena really did stab Keiichi a dozen times and that the knife just wasn't that sharp or that she missed his vital organs.
We shouldn't pretend that our theories are the truth, especially since we don't know how reliable the narration here is.

I think the two most likely interpretations of that scene are:

1) Rena tried to kill Keiichi but died/was knocked out when he pushed her against the table and everything afterwards was his L5-induced hallucination

or

2) Rena really did get up after that, got on top off him and stabbed him a bunch of times, but Keiichi's mind exaggerated the situation and in reality he knocked her out sooner than the length of the scene would imply.

What I don't think is that literally everything was just in his head. Rena was clearly trying to murder him.


please read this if you want more explanations, this is what makes higurashi great mystery, not just simple horror gore anime
Oct 22, 2020 10:31 PM

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my disappointment is immeasurable... and my day is ruined...
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mixed feelings. the horror aspect is just not as scary, and it kinda looks more like satire if anything? also maybe keichi survived because he was the one that actually killed rena and then later went on to kill rika and satoko because he's the one with the curse? at least this ep was surprising seeing that it took a different path compared to the original.


I feel like the Higurashi franchise has been involved in this vampiric parodying of itself since Kira and arguably from the very first episode of the five episode Rei OVA; there's a lot of that tongue-in-cheek style satire which sometimes goes straight over the top but sometimes just involves playing what should be otherwise very serious and consequential scenes with a kind of weightless zaniness lacking build-up or effect. This season in some key areas can just be seen as a continuation of that trend set by the OVAs. But perhaps, just maybe, it's possible to love this world of Hinamizawa so much as to look past it and not to care. At least, I dream of such a world.

Really though, it's rare to get a single scene or moment in all of the episodes after the first two seasons which is treated with the same level of intensity and seriousness, attention to detail, and played straight and with a huge dramatic flair and sense of grandeur of it all as on the level of the first two seasons. Some of the only moments which showed glimmers or outright recaptured that level of magic and chops briefly, I would argue, were outliers like Rena's speech at the end of Rei, and some fleeting moments between Rika and Hanyuu in Rei and Kira.
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You guys should keep in mind that the ending shows K1 having the same symptoms as Rena (scratching his neck), so
or maybe the reverse happened
Oct 22, 2020 10:44 PM

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I forget was this in the original, also they did not include the door scene was keichi crushes rena fingers.


This is not the first arc of the original, the show just bait you in think that. But that was a while new arc.
Oct 22, 2020 10:45 PM

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Man, those sure were a lot of stabs. I'm pretty sure Makoto would have wished he had Keiichi's endurance when he faced Sekai.

Overall, entertaining episode but not for the right reasons. Keiichi being so stupid and naive to the point of being easily convinced by Rika (RIP, by the way. Guess she didn't take into account the fact of MC ending in the hospital for two days) was hilarious and the whole "knife vs. nightstand watch" exchange looked more comical than serious or impactful. Not to mention also that the idea of Keiichi surviving dozens of stabs but Rena dying in the end is completely beyond me... unless there is a reason for MC being so hard to kill. I don't know, like him being possessed, cursed or something of that nature.

Anyways, that aside, I also think that the following scene with Mion telling MC about how his other friends, two cute little girls, were brutally stabbed to death could have been handled in a more "emotional" way.

This said, it seems we will have a new time-line next episode, uh? Let's see how it goes.

P.S.: Well hello, censorship-san.
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I will preface this with that content of Higurashi is great. However, the studio that picked this up doesn't understand how to make a fucking Horror anime. All the subtlety, all the atmosphere has been ripped away from the show. It's like I'm being slapped in the face with a brick written "horror." Even that is a stretch though, as all the expressions are ridiculous and comical, the art and animation are bad to average at best. I'm not expecting to be surprised by anything as I've seen the original adaptation several times before, but how is this acceptable to even new viewers? Is this good or shocking to those of you? I'm genuinely curious.

I think it's been well over a decade since a horror anime has come out that has impressed me. I guess when the director of Gou hasn't ever touched anything remotely related to this genre, this is the sort of dogshit you're left with.


i didnt have any expectation of passione studio when it was announced as the higurashi's studio bcs this studio has only 18 anime entries in mal, so i'm not dissappointed at all.
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Wow, so there are several things that stood out in this episode:

1. He dropped his suspicion of Rena when the previous night he got a phone call from that police officer specifically detailing her. It's as if he forgot about it.

2. He got stabbed at least several dozen times and managed to get the strength to get in several blows to Rena. Ordinarily the stabber would have won 99.999999...% of the time. He got stabbed many more times than the Slender Man stabbing incident in Wisconsin in 2014.

3. It's been 2 days and he's already up from the hospital with seemingly minor issues.

4. How the fuck is Mion not shown to be shocked at the events?

Unless there is some twist to this story, the author made it extremely unbelievable. If that was the case, the story is done very poorly imo. Stabbing 4 or 5 times, and Keiichi remaining suspicious would have been much more believable.
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you'll have to forgive me for not being hip but I just got to ask cuz I seen a couple people using "L5" and I know what you're referring to but why is it "L5"?

I understand where the "K1" came from but I can't figure out the other abbreviation.
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Idk what the hyell is going on
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