| Sunshine is 100% better than school Idol Project and that Nico thing Hyped as hell *-* can't wait Excited to see the season 1 OP song in an action! |
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| As much as I like Nico, I agree that Sunshine is better overall. I like the cast and the music more. I also like Dia a bit more than I like Nico too. |
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| That's like, a horrible opinion, and you should feel ruby nicozurabad harasho datenshi nii. |
| What? Hell no. Stop it. |
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Nou-Tan said: Sunshine is 100% better than school Idol Project and that Nico thing Hyped as hell *-* can't wait Excited to see the season 1 OP song in an action! Not really, the performance look better and the music is still good, but Muse has the better characters (there's no substitute for Umi, she's just too perfect), I also don't like Dia that much for example. |
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| I agree, while i really like Hanayo, Honoka, Niko, Rin and Umi, i overall liked new cast better, Saint Snow was awesome too, it was also pretty cool, that Aqours started as u's rip-off, and entire first season showed, that you won't get anything by copying your idol, and you should find your own style. |
| Sunshine is a discount version of the first series at best. Just about anything you can get from Sunshine is something the first series did, far better at that. You'd be hard pressed to even say the characters are different, as most of them are pretty much blatant rehashes of the original's. If it wasn't for Yohane, you wouldn't have much of anything original in that department. I just don't understand. |
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| Wtf... for real? Aqours has the most retarded characters, especially Chika. The songs are ok. u's has Nico and that's all an anime needs to be an utter success, right? |
BurningbladeEX said: I thought the whole point of Aquours was that it tried too much to emulate Muse's team which backfired badly when they kept wondering why they couldn't become as popular as them in the first place? At least the first season tried to establish how the characters would play out, albeit they really didn't take the time to make focus on a specific premise like the original did. If anything the 2nd season should kick-start Aquours to do their own thing if they ever manage to do so. Hopefully that's exactly what they do. I'm good on the parallels. Someone that understands. |
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| I like Sunshine more but Nico doesn't deserve this slander |
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| I like both groups and series' the same. Nico is great, and so are the rest of the characters. |
| Sunshine's cast may be similar to original's, but I think that Aqours are executing their roles better. Has more potential than the original, so far. Really excited for the second season. |
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| I haven't watched Sunshine yet, though from what I've seen and heard from my sister about Sunshine, I'd say the original was/is probably better. :P I could be wrong though, but from what little I've seen thus far I'd say Sunshine isn't that great and that in all points. |
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| I agree with you, LLS is much better than LL S1 though that's because I prefer the characters, music, setting, character designs etc from LLS. |
| I have to agree, even though u's holds a special place in my heart I think Sunshine did better in making me like all the characters, even my boyfriend whom I've forced to watch Love Live with, couldn't get into the u's girls as much as he did with the Aquors girls. As for the songs, while I do think u's has slightly more better songs that I like a lot, Aquors has probably the best Love Live song I have ever heard which was definitely Daydream Warrior. Also, the sub-units are amazing, I have to say I love all of them, especially, Azalea and Guilty Kiss, I even bought the CDs on Mandarake! I never buy CDs! |
Rayn3698Feb 26, 2017 11:38 AM
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| If anyone says that Nico fans aren't immature, just link them to this thread. EDIT: People who says that Aqours music is inferior are simply lying to themselves. |
| Aquors voice and songs are much, much superior than muse there isn't really any plague voice like nico, kotori and nozomi |
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| I agree with a few other people who've already posted: S2 of LL might have been better than S1 of LLS, but S1 of LLS was MUCH better than S1 of LL. So it stands to reason that S2 might end up having LLS surpass the original. |
| Sunshine improved a lot of things that the first LL season 1 made mistakes on. While I can get why people may not prefer LLS, it learned from its predecessor. LLS s1 is better than s2 or the movie in the original LL? No, but I have high hopes for s2. |
| Dia is a more cancerous version of Kotori's forced drama, but I love me some more yousoro~ Watanabe is way too good, was the only thing that made me enjoy LLS. yea Nico doesn't deserve all that hate when at least half the cast acted like whiny bitches in LLS, and the blond's forced accent make s my ears bleed. Most of Aquors is weak, generic characters that can't carry the team lol. But I will say while Aquors has better songs overall and better singers, they still can't beat u's better songs (nothing can beat u's movie ed). imo LLS started out as total shit, and only got better near the end when the whiny bitch stalemate ended (mirai Ticket is so good) while LL S1 started out really good but it got shit near the end with Kotori. LLS ending was handled really well with that sellout reference lol but a lotta copy pasting and mashing of LL. It'll only get better tho in S2 I'm sure |
GenocyberFeb 27, 2017 12:53 PM
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| Terrible opinion seeing that the original setup the entire thing and had to go its course for these girls to emulate. You can't compare them at all. |
| Feeling Down? Healing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXr0L4pOnV8 Soothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT3o_BBH61c Interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UpZnSjMko4 Female? Gotcha covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cOqzku9zA ...yeah |
| so many butthurt muse purists here, jesus christ.. and before you call me some hippie that's just following aqours because they're the new fad, no, because I've been following muse since 2015, before aqours was even announced I for one like the aqours music better. It has more variety, with EDM (Daydream Warrior) and I'm pretty sure Thrilling One Way's in a genre muse hasn't explored as well Frankly chracter design goes to muse but I like aqours' character development better. Every sad scene tugged at my heartstrings even if just a little, but in muse it was pretty much just maki's, nico's and nozomi's back story. I especially like the third years' story. Just like Eli Nozo and Nico, the third years were school idols but they failed to rise to the top so they stopped. In this case, more about their failure was revealed compared to muse, where it was pretty much just nico being all melancholic about how she failed being a good leader Also contrary to the widely popular opinion, I find Chika a better leader than Honoka. At least she isn't borderline stupid and lazy Don't get me wrong, I love muse as well, and they still have a better place in ny heart in contrary to aqours, but it sickens me to see people hate on aqours just because theyre not muse |
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saccharin said: I'm gonna fight y'all who say aqours is inferior to µ's I'm a huge fangirl of µ's but aqours music is just miles better. Comparing the first few songs of aqours to the first few songs that aqours put out. Sure, the first season of LLSS wasn't as strong as S2 of LL, but it's definitely stronger than LL S1. Aqours Season 1 only has higher sales than µ's Season 1, because it retained a portion of the already huge fanbase that supports µ's. It will be another story when we can eventually compare Sunshine 2nd Season with µ's 2nd Season. Right now, when we look at the CD sales of Aqours, they are nowhere near µ's level. However, as a huge Love Live! fan myself, I hope in the future that Aqours can become as big or even surpass µ's, because it is common in Japan for the successors to only be considered a success if they manage to match or surpass their predecessors. Perhaps this may happen when the Sunshine Movie comes out, because I think that's when μ's reached their peak in popularity. saccharin said: Also, after hearing about Day 2 of the 1st Live.. Rikako learning piano in three months to play omoi yo hitotsu ni nare like in the anime.. and then having a panic attack on day 2 is just.. say what you will, but µ's never pulled out any instruments. the pressure on the aqours seiyuu must be enormous. comparing the 17k in attendance for LLSS 1st live to LL's first live of 1500... Aqours already had a lot of pressure right from their debut in 2015 because they are the successors of µ's. Don't forget that µ's started from literally nothing (their 1st single in 2010 only sold 434 copies!, while their highest selling CD is the μ's Best Album Best Live! Collection II in 2015 at 152,964 copies). As I said, Aqours has a huge potential fanbase they can tap into, who already supports μ's. It's only a matter of how many of the naysayers and those sitting on the fence, that they can convince to support them as well, but unfortunately some have already abandoned the ship as they were so disgruntled when μ's disbanded last year. |
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| I loved Nico. She was the reason I watched Love Live, but yes, Sunshine is so much better. Better songs, animation, and characters. |
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| Well, if we wanna compare Project and Sunshine then we gotta compare each factor alone. Animation : Sunshine's animation was better than Muse's 1st/2nd season (by a small margin) but not the movie, why is that? well, Sunshine was made in 2016, while the 1st/2nd season were made in 2013/2014 so it's expected. The movie's animation far exceeds both Sunshine and 1st/2nd seasons. Characters : I personally think that 6 out of 9 characters from Sunshine are literally almost copy-paste from Muse. and whoever says otherwise might be watching a totally another series? am I right here? other than originality there were far more characters that pissed me off in Sunshine than in Muse. Music : I'd say Aqours have like, 5 really really great songs and that's about it (Guilty Night, Guilty Kiss - Guilty Eyes Forever - Daydream Warriors - Sky Journey (the newest song)). While Muse got tons of really great songs, maybe because Muse has more songs in general? I personally don't think so. Also Guilty Kiss does seem like a BiBi copy-pasta, but I'll have to say their songs are really great so I don't mind that. While the other 2 mini units (CYaRon and Azalea) stand no chance at all against Muse's other mini units (Printemps and Lily White). Character Development and backstory : Every member of Muse had their own episode talking about their backstory and developed them somehow. Aqours on the other hand, only had episodes about Riko aaaaand.. well the episode about Mari and Kanan, I can't really say that's an episode because it made me cringe so bad. Overall : First season of Muse was good, but it wasn't anything near 2nd season. which was the reason for muse's popularity I believe. For Sunshine's 1st season, I'd say it's a bit behind Muse's 1st season but I doubt the 2nd season would come anywhere close to Muse's 2nd season. Last notes : About forced drama xDDD, well.. Muse did have a bit of forced drama here and there, but it never threw me off. As for Sunshine :/, I can't help but say there was so much forced drama it made me cringe. And everyone has their opinion, so if your opinion is different than mine then I'll be happy that there's 1 less human in earth that's not like me, makes me feel a bit special :) kappa. |
Kaori6Mar 25, 2017 6:25 AM
| I think Love Live SIP is inherently the better told story. Sunshine uses so much of its formula, far beyond characters, dialogue, or music in order for it to feel connected there is no way to pull the two entirely apart. Which is definitely how it should feel for being in the same universe even if there are no returning characters from the original. Its not entirely fair to compare the two either, with the original having nowhere near the planning or foresight that Sunshine had. Which makes stating that the original is a better piece of work stronger of a statement. In terms of characters I really dont think one can argue very consistently in an unbiased form that Sunshine genuinely does have worse characters. Lets start off with the fact that every single character is a trope in both the original and Sunshine. This is because the episodes are only 22 minutes, they have 9 characters to develop for, and lets face it anime loves its cliche character archetypes. However, Aqours clearly has more elements of uniqueness with its characters then the girls of Muse. I think Riko has the most depth of all the Love Live girls. Interestingly, I cant tell if this was on purpose. We have seen every spectrum she can offer as a character from what worry's her when she is alone to her private interests. She has a unique posture and mannerism portrayed throughout the show that adds to her character value in a real way as a person, rather then cheaply as is the case with Yohane dressed in her garb all the time, and You with her uniforms, to Nozomi and her cards and Maki sitting with her arms crossed or twirling her hair looking too bothered to be there because she is the rich tsundere girl archtype. Riko starts at the beginning with no self confidence and very little drive to do anything. She is very unsure. As the season progresses she becomes a member of Aqours and gets on the path of just hanging out to genuinely caring. As she settles into her new town with her new friends, she is finally presented with another chance at the piano competition to face her biggest internal struggle, one clearly built up throughout the season, but she turns it down because Aqours and specifically Chika are what is most important to her. However after Chika opens up and tells her to to the competition she does. She is selfless but she is willing to pursue her own goals. Returning from the competition Riko is invigorated and confident. Glowing. Riko grows as an individual and as a person in Love Live Sunshine. More so then any other girl in the series. If we look at other characters in Love Live, who rivals Rikos climb? Nico has real development, but in the end she just decides to stop trying to hog the spotlight. Maki while a favorite, has almost none. Umi and Kotori are held back as characters to be Honokas care takers. Honokas personal drama is very uninteresting and not really powerful. Training while sick to botch the performance is not really very intriguing, shes just dumb. Her bounce back is not powerful because she did not fall far enough down, and when she returned it was just back to her previous self identical to before the accident. There is no change that carry's her forward. Chika decides to stop copying Muse, not really a big deal. You gets jealous of Riko, then realizes it was all a misunderstanding? Things return to normal the following episode. The Aqours 3rd year drama went for it, but the overall core of the drama, being that they faked being unable to perform to disband the group for Maris sake was not very compelling when you know they are going to return to the group. The drama also had no lasting impacts, Kanan and Mari had been friends before the drama, remained friends after. Hanamaru decides to leave the library... I could go on... I know that was ranty and disjointed, but you get the idea. However, there are still redeeming quality's to almost all of these characters and I think Aqours is off to a really strong start for Muse having more then half the content of Sunshine. |
Reikuo said: I think Love Live SIP is inherently the better told story. Sunshine uses so much of its formula, far beyond characters, dialogue, or music in order for it to feel connected there is no way to pull the two entirely apart. Which is definitely how it should feel for being in the same universe even if there are no returning characters from the original. Its not entirely fair to compare the two either, with the original having nowhere near the planning or foresight that Sunshine had. Which makes stating that the original is a better piece of work stronger of a statement. In terms of characters I really dont think one can argue very consistently in an unbiased form that Sunshine genuinely does have worse characters. Lets start off with the fact that every single character is a trope in both the original and Sunshine. This is because the episodes are only 22 minutes, they have 9 characters to develop for, and lets face it anime loves its cliche character archetypes. However, Aqours clearly has more elements of uniqueness with its characters then the girls of Muse. I think Riko has the most depth of all the Love Live girls. Interestingly, I cant tell if this was on purpose. We have seen every spectrum she can offer as a character from what worry's her when she is alone to her private interests. She has a unique posture and mannerism portrayed throughout the show that adds to her character value in a real way as a person, rather then cheaply as is the case with Yohane dressed in her garb all the time, and You with her uniforms, to Nozomi and her cards and Maki sitting with her arms crossed or twirling her hair looking too bothered to be there because she is the rich tsundere girl archtype. Riko starts at the beginning with no self confidence and very little drive to do anything. She is very unsure. As the season progresses she becomes a member of Aqours and gets on the path of just hanging out to genuinely caring. As she settles into her new town with her new friends, she is finally presented with another chance at the piano competition to face her biggest internal struggle, one clearly built up throughout the season, but she turns it down because Aqours and specifically Chika are what is most important to her. However after Chika opens up and tells her to to the competition she does. She is selfless but she is willing to pursue her own goals. Returning from the competition Riko is invigorated and confident. Glowing. Riko grows as an individual and as a person in Love Live Sunshine. More so then any other girl in the series. If we look at other characters in Love Live, who rivals Rikos climb? Nico has real development, but in the end she just decides to stop trying to hog the spotlight. Maki while a favorite, has almost none. Umi and Kotori are held back as characters to be Honokas care takers. Honokas personal drama is very uninteresting and not really powerful. Training while sick to botch the performance is not really very intriguing, shes just dumb. Her bounce back is not powerful because she did not fall far enough down, and when she returned it was just back to her previous self identical to before the accident. There is no change that carry's her forward. Chika decides to stop copying Muse, not really a big deal. You gets jealous of Riko, then realizes it was all a misunderstanding? Things return to normal the following episode. The Aqours 3rd year drama went for it, but the overall core of the drama, being that they faked being unable to perform to disband the group for Maris sake was not very compelling when you know they are going to return to the group. The drama also had no lasting impacts, Kanan and Mari had been friends before the drama, remained friends after. Hanamaru decides to leave the library... I could go on... I know that was ranty and disjointed, but you get the idea. However, there are still redeeming quality's to almost all of these characters and I think Aqours is off to a really strong start for Muse having more then half the content of Sunshine. It's funny you ignored the most cancerous character in LLS , yoshiko who does nothing but spout chuuni stuff in background while contributing nothing after her centric episode. LLS characters aren't as unique as MUSE, and they don't have that great chemistry. Hanamaru falls into the backgrpund spouting mirai, zura, and eating after her centric episode. It's like they give them an episode, and then toss them aside which disrupts the group's chemistry, and Ruby's cutsey side is over-emphasized. Dia was developed as an main antagonist to the girls only to become a side character in the 3rd years' conflict saying "i just agreed with kanan" and she barely had any had in the resolution which made all her character fall flat and seem forced. I honestly like Honoka more than Chika though i still like chika don't get me wrong. I find hard to take this "honoka is her identical self". Honoka is the person who comes to great realizations in her group and is charismatic to the point girls recognize their as the unofficial leader; she's not dumb for doing certain mistakes any human can do and actually acknowledges them at the end. She realizes her flaws. Even when hanayo was hesitant to pursue her dream with idols, Honoka encouraged her telling her we all have our flaws, and that's why we work together . Chika comes to certain realizations, but they were too similar, and the realization of them having to be different came a bit too late (just a bit). She also didn't have it as hard as honoka at first. Riko is indeed a well developed character, and I like her a lot, but her development was so big i wished the other girls had a fraction if it. Also as a Riko fan, you sound quite biased yourself, but you have acknowledged that one can't argue without being biased. |
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| The original was way better. The characters in original was way better, cute, and funnier. We don't have anything like Niko and Maki in sunshine. Also, the story sunshine feels too similar to the original. They did not do anything new. |
BluetearsX said: DragonSlayer_19 said: LLS characters aren't as unique as MUSE, and they don't have that great chemistry. For uniqueness, they have, for chemistry, they don't. I feel that the reason of that is the massive focus on ChikaRiko throughout the season. Even though I think SS was made better than SIP, I was constantly rolling my eyes whenever we he had a Chika and Riko scene after the season was halfway done. In my eyes, all these nine characters are capable of soooooooo many things, yet, as you said, were mostly tossed aside, in my opinion, for the sake of more Chika and Riko. Being a You fan, I was super pissed at episode 11 because it made her look dumb, but especially because Chika suddenly had 180° character change??? You were so worried and caring of Riko last episode, why are you acting like the typical clueless and dense harem protagonist now??? Can't you see the face of helplessness of your supposedly best friend? If You is not that important to Chika, then why keep her character tied from progression? I think You could shine so much more if she wasn't being tossed to the side or being held by the concept of loyal "best friend". I felt as if episode 11 was wrote by an entirely different person with little to no grasp of Chika and even Riko's characters and recent development. And Riko appears on the phone as well basically as a proxy and narrator of a last minute trick to fix it all in one episode. Not only that, a "supposed" Chika and You song, is at the end a Chika and Riko song, since the lyrics of Omoi yo Hitotsu ni Nare talk about being connected even if they are in different places. If only, it had a bit of build up from Chika's side at least instead of focusing only on You's angst, that last scene before the performance would have been really nice, but she just popped there. You ends up feeling guilty of something that also has fault on Chika, yet this one uses her protagonist powers and escapes with no harm whatsoever, rushing at the last minute to save the damsel in distress. Again, what is the point of having a character that acts as the loyal companion and makes sacrifices for her friend, if she ultimately will get shoved to the side? Untie her or make the three come to a solution, not talking through a phone and saying "Hey, she told me this." but actually talking to one another, clear the misunderstanding or something. I mean, Chika was definitely a core element throughout episodes 8-10, she was doing so well, and then episode 11 arrives and is like Chika reverted herself to that of the second and third episode, then episode 12 comes, and again, turns back to being the Chika of episode's 8-10. Even You, that half-ass conclusion and in the next episode she's cuddling with Riko on the train, huh? I wasn't really a fan of that and I hope they don't magically start getting along when the second season starts, I want to see actual bonds being forged instead of seeing two individuals being tied by one. Sunshine spent too much time focusing on the two of them and almost ignored the rest of the cast. Hanamaru and Ruby joined, toss them aside. Yoshiko joined, toss her aside. The third years joined, toss them aside, You was feeling bad, do a quick fix at the end of the episode and go back to ignore her. Though it kinda makes sense, since you don't usually start to talk with everyone even in the same club if you were recently transfered to a certain school, and you don't casually talk with other year's students if you don't know them very well. You would talk with the first person that offers you a hand, and that is Chika to Riko, but this isn't real life, this is an anime series about nine girls. If it was only a romance anime ala Sakura Trick, then go for it and have as much fun as you want, but this isn't. I'm hoping S2 really kicks off well and starts to develop these characters now that they have a background to work with and reduces the massive ChikaRiko focus it had. I also want to see Riko interact with Kanan, you know, Sunrise? Or with the Kurosawa siblings, maybe You talk with Kanan about her feelings and getting advice from her to actually solve the issue (Which I REALLY hope they do 'cuz I don't want to accept episode 11 as an actual conclussion to that, but unfortunately it may be). I still stand on my point, SS S1 was better made than SIP S1. But I just want Aqours to stop being Chika, Riko and 7 more and become an actual fully fledged, 9 people group. I respect this interpretation, its definitely not wrong. I would have to ask if you would feel the same if there was no media outside of the anime though? With 9 characters in a genre that encourages you to pick a "best girl" and run with it someone is always going to feel their favorite was left out. Its got to be insanely hard to build up a group of 9 characters and have character Y have unique and meaningful interactions with the other 8. There is no question Chika and Riko are the ones running the ship but they stand out worse only because their interaction and story is simply the best one. Nobody got excited for the other story arcs. There is always a chance for the second season to fire things up, and there may even be a 3rd the anime sold insanely well and reception to the actual group has been stellar. That said though, personally im not sold yet on the idea of Chika and Riko taking a backseat. Riko is the most devolved character in the series already with far less content then the original had. I would not be against them putting other stories forward and expanding upon the other girls far more and reducing Chika and Rikos screen time but I think Chika and Riko are just too developed and good to throw away entirely. They still need to be the underlying story of the show. |
| the new nico is beautiful too |
| I don't think it's really fair to compare Sunshine and the original. Even through I didn't watch the original yet, I still can tell that both of them has their strength and their weakness. I like Sunshine, but I agree that the show could has some more original concepts and writing. |
| ^ true OT: I'm honestly Love Live trash, so I love the both of them equally, but I do have to admit that Sunshine's animation and music are better. |
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