| What do you guys personally think about this anime? Do you guys think this anime promotes right wing nationalism and patriotism or do you think it criticizes the current Japanese government? What do you guys think? |
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| it does portray japan as the "good guys" and other nations as evil though, but you gotta keep in mind that the japanese are quite patriotic as it is and Gate was written by an ex-JSDF officer |
| It's does try to make it look black and white with JP being the good guys and everyone else are evil, but I really don't think you should be taking it seriously. Though if what PukingMachines said is true, then it would make sense that the anime is likely promoting nationalism/patrioism. |
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Snappynator said: It's does try to make it look black and white with JP being the good guys and everyone else are evil, but I really don't think you should be taking it seriously. Though if what PukingMachines said is true, then it would make sense that the anime is likely promoting nationalism/patrioism. Well if I was taking it seriously I wouldn't even be watching the anime :P I just wanted to know how everyone else thinks about this series. In my personal opinion I think this series is promoting nationalism and is creating a good image of JSDF as Japan changed its Military legislation last fall, which allows Japanese military to operate oversees. I believe there is more to the story, but oh well. |
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Snappynator said: It's does try to make it look black and white with JP being the good guys and everyone else are evil, but I really don't think you should be taking it seriously. Though if what PukingMachines said is true, then it would make sense that the anime is likely promoting nationalism/patrioism. http://gate-thus-the-jsdf-fought-there.wikia.com/wiki/Takumi_Yanai |
PukingMachines said: it does portray japan as the "good guys" and other nations as evil though, but you gotta keep in mind that the japanese are quite patriotic as it is and Gate was written by an ex-JSDF officer No. Other nations ( meaning the leaders ) are shown as scheming, but not as evil. |
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TheBigGuy said: PukingMachines said: it does portray japan as the "good guys" and other nations as evil though, but you gotta keep in mind that the japanese are quite patriotic as it is and Gate was written by an ex-JSDF officer No. Other nations ( meaning the leaders ) are shown as scheming, but not as evil. dunno, they showed the other nations trying to kidnap itami's party and the US trying to black mail their PM, bad thing in my book |
PukingMachines said: dunno, they showed the other nations trying to kidnap itami's party and the US trying to black mail their PM, bad thing in my book All things that would happen in real life. I'm surprised there wasn't an all out war against Japan for control of the gate. |
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| I think it's just an anime and we shouldn't take it as serious political propaganda lol |
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ichii_1 said: All things that would happen in real life. I'm surprised there wasn't an all out war against Japan for control of the gate. just because they happen IRL doesnt mean they arent bad. but really i couldnt care less about japan and what they think of the rest of the world , so i pay no mind to these types of things Protaku said: I think it's just an anime and we shouldn't take it as serious political propaganda lol pretty much |
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PukingMachines said: dunno, they showed the other nations trying to kidnap itami's party and the US trying to black mail their PM, bad thing in my book True. But that they do bad things, doesn't mean that they are evil. |
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| hmm, if you look at it that way, i'll agree |
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| Not that much, really, because the editors toned it down to make it suitable for general release. All that's left are things that could be viewed that way, but is sufficiently open to interpretation that it could almost as easily go the other way. At the very least, it doesn't look so much like propaganda that it would hurt sales. It can be super-right wing ultra-nationalist schlock, if you want it to be. |
Takuan_Soho said: rladls717 said: Things aren't really going well with how some people in Japan acceptance in other races and their views of history. Things are going fine, the "Nationalist" protests are nowhere near as bad as they were in the 70's, 80's and 90's (a famous example, the Mayor of Nagasaki was killed by a Nationalist for saying that Showa was to blame for WWII). The Zaitokukai are extremely noisy, but they have no real support in Japan. Their membership is probably around 1-2,000 people (though they claim 9-10,000). This in a country of over 100,000,000. As for the history books, I would say Japanese history books are far more honest than Korean (who just had their own revision debate) or Chinese (which will never even have a debate) history books. While there are a few "rightest" textbooks, the vast majority of the high schools in Japan are run by leftists, so that isn't going to change anything. The real problem in Japan (like most of the world) is that people are forgetting all history, not just selected parts of it. Though Japanese bookstores are still far more through and diverse than any American, Korean, or other country bookstore I have ever been in. Even small regional stores have history books that covers nearly every conceivable angle. As for Pina, don't read too much into it. Remember she is from a world where slavery is legal, where the elites had the right to kill any commoner. Compared to that, then yes Japan does look like heaven when it comes to Human Rights (and honestly speaking, right now, with the restrictions that are taking place in Europe and the United States, Japan's real ranking should becoming higher (though the trouble with such rankings is that they are done by the same people that are restricting rights in the West). Takuan_Soho said: rladls717 said: Things aren't really going well with how some people in Japan acceptance in other races and their views of history. Things are going fine, the "Nationalist" protests are nowhere near as bad as they were in the 70's, 80's and 90's (a famous example, the Mayor of Nagasaki was killed by a Nationalist for saying that Showa was to blame for WWII). The Zaitokukai are extremely noisy, but they have no real support in Japan. Their membership is probably around 1-2,000 people (though they claim 9-10,000). This in a country of over 100,000,000. As for the history books, I would say Japanese history books are far more honest than Korean (who just had their own revision debate) or Chinese (which will never even have a debate) history books. While there are a few "rightest" textbooks, the vast majority of the high schools in Japan are run by leftists, so that isn't going to change anything. The real problem in Japan (like most of the world) is that people are forgetting all history, not just selected parts of it. Though Japanese bookstores are still far more through and diverse than any American, Korean, or other country bookstore I have ever been in. Even small regional stores have history books that covers nearly every conceivable angle. As for Pina, don't read too much into it. Remember she is from a world where slavery is legal, where the elites had the right to kill any commoner. Compared to that, then yes Japan does look like heaven when it comes to Human Rights (and honestly speaking, right now, with the restrictions that are taking place in Europe and the United States, Japan's real ranking should becoming higher (though the trouble with such rankings is that they are done by the same people that are restricting rights in the West). HA Japanese textbooks are more honest? what a joke. With what evidence do you consider the textbooks to be more honest? Japanese textbooks are famous for leaving out their war crimes during world war 2. How would you call this honest if they are hiding their mistakes from the past to the younger generations? (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21226068) Have you been to book stores in Korea and China to make those claims? Its funny that you try to talk about only positive things about Japan without even supporting it with a single evidence. |
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triplefox said: More troubling is that it glorifies colonial interventionism. No, it doesn't. In the entire time they were there, they only intervened 4 times iirc and they never did it to take control or to colonize. The only occasion where they imposed their rules was after the battle of Italica, regarding the treatment of the prisoners. And that was for the better. And in the spur of the moment? Not really. Okay, the first time was a coincidence and a rather hasty decision, but should they have left the villagers to their fate? The other times they were asked for help and they embraced the opportunity. Plus making allies ≠ colonization. |
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trabeus1 said: What do you guys personally think about this anime? Do you guys think this anime promotes right wing nationalism and patriotism or do you think it criticizes the current Japanese government? What do you guys think? Both and it's being used a propaganda machine to get otaku's in the jsdf. |
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Why most of you talk about it as if it was a bad thing? Modern world becoming more and more unstable with each year. Do japanese people still believe that US will 100% be able to protect you in case of chinese/russian/north korean invasion? To Japan, with it's rapidly aging population and mental 'nuclear bombardment' trauma, such "propaganda" is clearly a boon. There is nothing wrong with being moderate nationalist and serve in the military - it is natural for any human being, despite liberal propaganda tells you otherwise. |
| I will say this though, the one thing that reeks of propaganda is the way the JSDF personnel are basically depicted as faultless. There are no bad apples, no incompetents, no power or glory hungry officers, no psychotic axemurderers, nothing. There is basically no real misconduct of any type, intentional or accidental; I mean, they're somehow able to wage war, however limited, without any civillian casualties. And just to make the contrast even more stark, the empire is the complete exact opposite, but with equal levels of gratuitousness. Soldiers and militaries don't function like that; Even when UN Peacekeepers get deployed, everywhere they go suddenly there's a bunch of rapes and other such crimes. Or, if you've seen Generation Kill, you can see that even an "elite" combat unit goes into combat with all kinds of deficiencies. Even under the best of circumstances, with well-meaning and professional soldiers, people get killed for no reason; not enemy combatants, but friendly fire and civillian casualties. The JSDF as depicted in this show is just way too perfect to the point where it legitimately feels like propaganda even though I'm pretty sure it's not even state sponsored. Its not too heavy on right wing or nationalist sentiment, but this element at least still rubs me the wrong way. |
rladls717 said: I guess it depends. I don't know about myself now, but I was filled with hatred and rage against these kinds of series before actually. The thing is with the news like how Japan reports UN about evidence of WW2 Sexual Slavery: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1478856 And there are some rally going on somewhere in Japan: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1482389 Things aren't really going well with how some people in Japan acceptance in other races and their views of history. But this is not what Japan is all about is it. There are also good parts that I don't know of. I'll only post the some parts of quotes of what Pina said to the senators in Empire. Manga chapter 36 English translations: Pina: Slavery doesn't exist in Japan. There's no ransom either. Instead of a Ransom, they want a concession in the peace deal. I have thought about why they were so enraged, perhaps it was this... The emperor has seen their love for the people, and before their eyes, one of their people was tormented... and like a winged lion whose child was snatched away, they were enraged. And this is the result. Anime Episode 14 English Subs(same scene): Pina: Th-the Japanese treasures the lives of their citizens above all else. No, not only their own people. They don't even kill or enslave their prisoners. They love their own people... And they even treat their prisoners well. They won't even sell their enemies for money. That's who the Japanese are. The result of them seeing their people enslaved was... this. So yes, there are many kinds of opinions of Japan right now. Even the quote in the series is fictional, it is actually possible in real life. Now that I think about it, I'm really skeptical if this is really right-wing nationalism or not, I don't know if that is important anymore. Japanese right winger might as well start saying US never drop atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What even worse is that if you address the japanese right wing on their history revisionism and lies, they will ask the police to arrest you like what happen to this German man.Thank goodness UNESCO register Nanjing Massacre. Still got hope for humanity. Gate claim that slavery don't exist in Japan is total bullshit consider the comfort women issues. When the two Japanese hostages taken by ISIS and Japan photoshop making fun of it, does that count as Japanese treasure their citizen? Having said that, Gate is still entertaining and enjoyable to watch though. |
ZapredonFeb 21, 2016 12:09 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
fst said: I will say this though, the one thing that reeks of propaganda is the way the JSDF personnel are basically depicted as faultless. There are no bad apples, no incompetents, no power or glory hungry officers, no psychotic axemurderers, nothing. There is basically no real misconduct of any type, intentional or accidental; I mean, they're somehow able to wage war, however limited, without any civillian casualties. And just to make the contrast even more stark, the empire is the complete exact opposite, but with equal levels of gratuitousness. Soldiers and militaries don't function like that; Even when UN Peacekeepers get deployed, everywhere they go suddenly there's a bunch of rapes and other such crimes. Or, if you've seen Generation Kill, you can see that even an "elite" combat unit goes into combat with all kinds of deficiencies. Even under the best of circumstances, with well-meaning and professional soldiers, people get killed for no reason; not enemy combatants, but friendly fire and civillian casualties. The JSDF as depicted in this show is just way too perfect to the point where it legitimately feels like propaganda even though I'm pretty sure it's not even state sponsored. Its not too heavy on right wing or nationalist sentiment, but this element at least still rubs me the wrong way. Maybe the JSDF is a bit to perfect, but I think they chose the personnel for this mission carefully. And they don't really wage war, they basically defended themselves, so there wasn't really a chance for civillian casualties to begin with. Do you have proof for what you said about UN Peacekeepers? They get deployed because there are crimes against people, like rape, these aren't suddenly there. |
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Zapredon said: rladls717 said: I guess it depends. I don't know about myself now, but I was filled with hatred and rage against these kinds of series before actually. The thing is with the news like how Japan reports UN about evidence of WW2 Sexual Slavery: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1478856 And there are some rally going on somewhere in Japan: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1482389 Things aren't really going well with how some people in Japan acceptance in other races and their views of history. But this is not what Japan is all about is it. There are also good parts that I don't know of. I'll only post the some parts of quotes of what Pina said to the senators in Empire. Manga chapter 36 English translations: Pina: Slavery doesn't exist in Japan. There's no ransom either. Instead of a Ransom, they want a concession in the peace deal. I have thought about why they were so enraged, perhaps it was this... The emperor has seen their love for the people, and before their eyes, one of their people was tormented... and like a winged lion whose child was snatched away, they were enraged. And this is the result. Anime Episode 14 English Subs(same scene): Pina: Th-the Japanese treasures the lives of their citizens above all else. No, not only their own people. They don't even kill or enslave their prisoners. They love their own people... And they even treat their prisoners well. They won't even sell their enemies for money. That's who the Japanese are. The result of them seeing their people enslaved was... this. So yes, there are many kinds of opinions of Japan right now. Even the quote in the series is fictional, it is actually possible in real life. Now that I think about it, I'm really skeptical if this is really right-wing nationalism or not, I don't know if that is important anymore. Japanese right winger might as well start saying US never drop atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What even worse is that if you address the japanese right wing on their history revisionism and lies, they will ask the police to arrest you like what happen to this German man.Thank goodness UNESCO register Nanjing Massacre. Still got hope for humanity. Gate claim that slavery don't exist in Japan is total bullshit consider the comfort women issues. When the two Japanese hostages taken by ISIS and Japan photoshop making fun of it, does that count as Japanese treasure their citizen? Having said that, Gate is still entertaining and enjoyable to watch though. They said slavery is not existing in the present. They never said slavery never existed. |
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Zapredon said: When the two Japanese hostages taken by ISIS and Japan photoshop making fun of it, does that count as Japanese treasure their citizen? And what do you want them to do? go to war? they can't because america's hypocrisy is limiting their forces. And believing everything america reports as the truth? kek. |
ichii_1Mar 2, 2016 8:22 AM
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trabeus1 said: What do you guys personally think about this anime? Do you guys think this anime promotes right wing nationalism and patriotism or do you think it criticizes the current Japanese government? What do you guys think? i don't care ----------------------------------- |
| Always knew this anime was propganda, but at least it's not a crazy nazi blaring preaches into your ears. |
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TheBigGuy said: Not really sure what you mean by thatMaybe the JSDF is a bit to perfect, but I think they chose the personnel for this mission carefully. TheBigGuy said: And they don't really wage war, they basically defended themselves, so there wasn't really a chance for civillian casualties to begin with. They've fought multiple engagements. The first one, yes, there was basically 0 chance for civilian or friendly fire casualties. But they've fought other battles in close proximity to civillians without incident, the most egregious is that time they dropped a dumb bomb on the senate and somehow leveled the building without killing anybody. The fog of war basically does not exist in this show. People think that because everybody has radios and night vision and recon drones and all that fun shit that friendly fire doesn't happen that they can take out a military target without collateral damage but that simply isn't true. TheBigGuy said: Do you have proof for what you said about UN Peacekeepers? They get deployed because there are crimes against people, like rape, these aren't suddenly there. It is a well documented phenomenon. Look how many fucking citations there are at the end of the first paragraph in the second link. |
TheBigGuy said: Zapredon said: Japanese right winger might as well start saying US never drop atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What even worse is that if you address the japanese right wing on their history revisionism and lies, they will ask the police to arrest you like what happen to this German man.Thank goodness UNESCO register Nanjing Massacre. Still got hope for humanity. Gate claim that slavery don't exist in Japan is total bullshit consider the comfort women issues. When the two Japanese hostages taken by ISIS and Japan photoshop making fun of it, does that count as Japanese treasure their citizen? Having said that, Gate is still entertaining and enjoyable to watch though. They said slavery is not existing in the present. They never said slavery never existed. That's injustice, cruel and unusual punishment, improper enforcement of the law, and tyranny. The police may not be perfect in the US but you don't get arrested just for criticizing extremism. |
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fst said: TheBigGuy said: Not really sure what you mean by thatMaybe the JSDF is a bit to perfect, but I think they chose the personnel for this mission carefully. I meant, they ensured that they don't choose incompetents, power hungry officers or psychotic axemurderers for the mission. |
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TheBigGuy said: fst said: Not really sure what you mean by that I meant, they ensured that they don't choose incompetents, power hungry officers or psychotic axemurderers for the mission. The knife but is somewhat suspect But aside from her, the fact that such characters basically don't exist in the show's jsdf whilst being present in spades within every non-jsdf faction is kinda what I was getting at. |
fst said: TheBigGuy said: I meant, they ensured that they don't choose incompetents, power hungry officers or psychotic axemurderers for the mission. The knife but is somewhat suspect But aside from her, the fact that such characters basically don't exist in the show's jsdf whilst being present in spades within every non-jsdf faction is kinda what I was getting at. Knife? Do you mean Kuribayashi? Now that I think about it, she enjoys killing and violence maybe a bit to much. I unterstand what you mean and I agree. But sometimes it's that simple: they are the good guys and do apparently no wrong. Even if it's unrealistic. |
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| Not in particular. The amount of self-interest demonstrated by the Japanese government in Gate was extremely low, compared to say, Outbreak Company, which was even more ridiculous and less realistic. |
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| Wow you mean the japanese are portaying themselves as the good folks in their media? How dare they! >:( |
| Yes, it is promoting Japanese nationalism. It’s literally Japanese military propaganda. But whether it’s right wing or not is left to interpretation of the viewer. THAT SAID, the Japanese government deals with nations in a similar way to what was shown in the anime, if exaggerated, and the politics of the majority of Japanese people skews to the right so take that as you will. However, if that bothers anyone, most true-blue nationalists today in the world are left wing, not right wing, even and especially in the Asian world, and anyone who says the show is left wing or right wing because they’re dealing with another nation on equal terms doesn’t know what they’re talking about. |
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| A lot of seething lefty losers in here. Hilarious. |
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