Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen Episode 6 Discussion

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RediceRyan said:
Bath scenes every episode in this anime.
Good episode, but a bit strange.

There is no such thing as an obligatory onsen episode in Itsuwari no Kamen. Which is good.

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Nov 9, 2015 1:21 AM

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So... how old are they now? I'm guessing Kuon is about 18-22? She's way too big to be a 9-year-old. And I'm not too sure about the time lapse between the series but it seems to be small as Touka and Karura still seem young as ever.

Nov 9, 2015 1:26 AM

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So... how old are they now? I'm guessing Kuon is about 18-22? She's way too big to be a 9-year-old. And I'm not too sure about the time lapse between the series but it seems to be small as Touka and Karura still seem young as ever.

Its around 10-20 years since end of first show.

Considering Yamato has an emperor who ruled for centuries, Its fair to say that those people have a way longer lifespan.

Nov 9, 2015 1:54 AM

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Omg.. something about this episode seem very sad. Feels like Eruruu might had already pass away.
Does anyone else feel this way? :(

Nov 9, 2015 2:41 AM

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Narene said:
Omg.. something about this episode seem very sad. Feels like Eruruu might had already pass away.
Does anyone else feel this way? :(

yeah because of their face blacked out on flashbacks makes it seems she's dead or something haha
but don't worry, dun think she's dead.

Nov 9, 2015 2:42 AM

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Hahaha, Utawarerumono: Baths Edition.

Stark700 said:
Had no idea Haku was able to get drunk so easily lol

That's not true, they showed that they both consumed an incredible amount of sake, and that Haku withstood pretty well, but Karura is invincible.

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Am I the only one who thinks Kuon is using "I think" a lot? D:

Every female in the show so far has a speech-tick unique to them

I love that kinda stuff.

Wings said:
The bath scenes have to much steam in them for me.. Did they ever answer what the chain was for? Or is it just for show?

It's in the original series. Watch it if you want to know more about these characters.

Mormegil said:
What the hell? Karura and Touka? I thought this series took place in the distant future?

Haha, that's what i thought too, until they started leaving clues.

shanimebib said:
And from the Itsuwari no Kamen VN PV (Pretty awesome.)

Pretty awesome? You weren't kidding. I anticipate this series even more.

I really should rewatch the old Utawarerumono. Though so far i do know i've been enjoying this more than the previous.

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Nov 9, 2015 2:44 AM

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shanimebib said:

rodac said:
And for those of us who know who they are, it was really nice to see Karura and Touka again as they were two really appealing members of the Tusukurun court. Don't be fooled by their laid-back demeanour, these are not women you want to get on the bad side of.

^ Thought a clip from S1 would help.

And from the Itsuwari no Kamen VN PV (Pretty awesome.)

And the OP of S1. From what I read, most of the characters will make an appearance in Itsuwari no Kamen including the guys.

If this story follows the prequel then expect lots of bloodshed.

Don't forget about Karura clips.

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Nov 9, 2015 2:45 AM

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Narene said:
Omg.. something about this episode seem very sad. Feels like Eruruu might had already pass away.
Does anyone else feel this way? :(

Considering that this IS Utawarerumono, Eruru having passed away would be in the realms of possibilities. However, I don't think that's it.She wasn't even seen at all in the second game, and barely got a mention, so we've already got more of her than back then.

Also, if she had passed away, I don't think Touka would have talked about her like she did to Kuon, and Kuon's expression was that of someone remembering someone they are very much fond of and misses a lot, but without the sadness that would be implied if that person had passed away. Kuon may even be feeling a bit guilty towards her, as she most likely ran away from home.

As for the past tense, I think all it means is that, when they took her sake with them when they departed, or at least were sent some by the medicine girl, (Eruruw may even have brewed some especialy for them), Eruru most likely told them to make sure they use it for special occasion only so as to make it last. Remember that we're talking about Karula here, and Yamato's a couple hundred miles at best from Tusukuru, so sending shipments of alcohol over to there all the tme wouldn't do.

Nov 9, 2015 2:46 AM

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Don't forget about Karura clips.

Yeeeahhh... Karura is a living tank.

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Narene said:
Omg.. something about this episode seem very sad. Feels like Eruruu might had already pass away.
Does anyone else feel this way? :(

Considering that this IS Utawarerumono, Eruru having passed away would be in the realms of possibilities. However, I don't think that's it.She wasn't even seen at all in the second game, and barely got a mention, so we've already got more of her than back then.

Also, if she had passed away, I don't think Touka would have talked about her like she did to Kuon, and Kuon's expression was that of someone remembering someone they are very much fond of and misses a lot, but without the sadness that would be implied if that person had passed away. Kuon may even be feeling a bit guilty towards her, as she most likely ran away from home.

As for the past tense, I think all it means is that, when they took her sake with them when they departed, or at least were sent some by the medicine girl, (Eruruw may even have brewed some especialy for them), Eruru most likely told them to make sure they use it for special occasion only so as to make it last. Remember that we're talking about Karula here, and Yamato's a couple hundred miles at best from Tusukuru, so sending shipments of alcohol over to there all the tme wouldn't do.

The only one moments Kuon talked about past tense was when she was talking about her real mother.

Unless something horrible happened its safe to assume that all of Kuon's step-mothers are well.

Nov 9, 2015 3:07 AM

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I didn't expect them to show older characters !!

I wish if I had many moms like that !

Nov 9, 2015 3:45 AM

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CookingPriest said:
Its around 10-20 years since end of first show.

I doubt Kuon is 10 though, she is labeled as teen, which would put her into 12-17 category (if they aged at the same rate as IRL ofc). And considering how her body looks I would say she would be the same age as Eruruu in the first game, so my guess is like 15-16 years old while Haku being somewhere around 17-18 by looks (though she looks kinda older in anime compared to novel but it seems that's by design).

Nov 9, 2015 4:00 AM

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I loved the first serie, and this second one started well, and seeing again Karura and Touka was nice, but it's been 3-4 episodes that nothing happened, it's only bath bath bath....

I'm gonna drop it soon if it's going for a slice of life/harem...

Nov 9, 2015 6:28 AM

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Nuage said:
I loved the first serie, and this second one started well, and seeing again Karura and Touka was nice, but it's been 3-4 episodes that nothing happened, it's only bath bath bath....

I'm gonna drop it soon if it's going for a slice of life/harem...

I'm just gonna say be fucking patient it's only 6 episodes in.
Also keep this in mind, Utawarerumono 1, started out in a Warring States condition where swift action must be done to protect the village.
while Uta 2, started out in a already peaceful country, where we don't even know what the crisis is. Of course it's going to do the opposite of Uta 1, where it's going to "introduce the characters" first and then go into plot rather than plot first and then get the characters on the way.

Also keep this one in mind too, If it's just a SoF/Harem thing, the game won't be praised as it is right now. Also fucking Uta 1 had Slice of life and Harem moments. The first anime just decided to omit most of it to rush the plot, hence the fiasco that is the ending of Uta 1.

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kaimax said:

Nuage said:
I loved the first serie, and this second one started well, and seeing again Karura and Touka was nice, but it's been 3-4 episodes that nothing happened, it's only bath bath bath....

I'm gonna drop it soon if it's going for a slice of life/harem...

I'm just gonna say be fucking patient it's only 6 episodes in.
Also keep this in mind, Utawarerumono 1, started out in a Warring States condition where swift action must be done to protect the village.
while Uta 2, started out in a already peaceful country, where we don't even know what the crisis is. Of course it's going to do the opposite of Uta 1, where it's going to "introduce the characters" first and then go into plot rather than plot first and then get the characters on the way.

Also keep this one in mind too, If it's just a SoF/Harem thing, the game won't be praised as it is right now. Also fucking Uta 1 had Slice of life and Harem moments. The first anime just decided to omit most of it to rush the plot, hence the fiasco that is the ending of Uta 1.

What he said. The first series could have been easier to digest, and the plot laid out smoother, had it been spread out on 36 épisodes.

Nov 9, 2015 8:14 AM

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Nuage said:
I loved the first serie, and this second one started well, and seeing again Karura and Touka was nice, but it's been 3-4 episodes that nothing happened, it's only bath bath bath....

I'm gonna drop it soon if it's going for a slice of life/harem...

The first series was pretty good until the second half, which was a wreck with 2 episodes mini arcs just to fit in all the adventures. I gave it a 6/10 just because of the girls in the series. I would have given it less otherwise.

The pacing of this has been excellent so far. The scripts/dialogues are so much better. The plot is not rushed either, at least up until now. It's up to you whether you want to drop it or not. I am enjoying this much, much more than the first season.

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Nov 9, 2015 9:01 AM

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I hope Oboro and the twins show up. They were the best in the first season.

Nov 9, 2015 9:10 AM

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Amarrez said:
I hope Oboro and the twins show up. They were the best in the first season.

I'm just going to say YES, just to "shut-up" other people who keeps saying this.
Expect only this, All characters from the First Uta 1 is relegated as NPC characters so don't expect long air time for them. They'll probably be back as major supporting roles in Uta 3, whenever that comes out.

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Nov 9, 2015 9:48 AM

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Yup, a third Utawarerumono game is already in planned in case any of you still don't know. Let just hope Itsuwari will sell well so that they can make season 3.

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Nov 9, 2015 10:06 AM

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fangasmed at Hakuoro & Eruruu silhouettes.
Gawd I can't believe how much I missed season 1...6 episodes in and all my feels from nostalgia still going strong.

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Nov 9, 2015 10:16 AM

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I'm off to see season 1

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Nov 9, 2015 2:30 PM

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Cool episode, nothing really happen but it was really enjoyable

Nov 10, 2015 3:26 AM

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CookingPriest said:
Considering Yamato has an emperor who ruled for centuries, Its fair to say that those people have a way longer lifespan.

Or maybe the emperor is somehow special. Maybe he got his hands on one of the copies of Hakuoro's mask? the series is called "fake masks" after all.

straggy said:
Why'd they change Touka's hair colour though? Her hair matching her ears like it did in season 1 made way more sense...

Her hair didn't match her ears in the game. And I think in the anime too.
But it got a bit different color in this version. Is it because of lighting?

Mich666 said:
Karuuraaa! Yes! And they even used the same music :D And Kuon is her daughter no less, what a surprise :) Or is she?

Based on appearance, Kuon is either Karura or Yuzuha's daughter. Based on her strength, she is Karura's daughter. Poor girl, her own motehr refuses to be called as such.

Never_ending said:
That's true but..... is it me or did Touka chest grew much MUCH larger than the last time we saw her???

Touka was probably a teenager when we saw her in Utawarerumono 1. Now she is an adult and got a lot bigger, naturally.

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Did they ever answer what the chain was for? Or is it just for show?

Karura had her chain since her first appearance in Utawarerumono. Minor spoilers.

Nov 10, 2015 4:10 AM

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flannan said:

CookingPriest said:
Considering Yamato has an emperor who ruled for centuries, Its fair to say that those people have a way longer lifespan.

Or maybe the emperor is somehow special. Maybe he got his hands on one of the copies of Hakuoro's mask? the series is called "fake masks" after all.

Might or might not be.

However right now, because Karura and Touka look exactly the same 10-20 years latter and nobody seems to be surprised(at both that and Emperor), I'd say its far more likely that this species just lives way longer than your average human lifespan and ages slower.

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I also think that Kamyu was in this episode as well. Because they showed an Onkamiyamukai during those flashbacks. I mean it may have not been her but one was definitely there.

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I also think that Kamyu was in this episode as well. Because they showed an Onkamiyamukai during those flashbacks. I mean it may have not been her but one was definitely there.

They clearly showed her in one of the flashbacks. She certainly was one of Kuon's mothers.

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Watching this episode was like meeting an old friend :D I was glad to see Touka, during the last ep she slipped my attention.

Nov 11, 2015 3:10 AM

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flannan said:

Mich666 said:
Karuuraaa! Yes! And they even used the same music :D And Kuon is her daughter no less, what a surprise :) Or is she?

Based on appearance, Kuon is either Karura or Yuzuha's daughter. Based on her strength, she is Karura's daughter. Poor girl, her own motehr refuses to be called as such.

Everything indicates that she is

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flannan said:

Based on appearance, Kuon is either Karura or Yuzuha's daughter. Based on her strength, she is Karura's daughter. Poor girl, her own motehr refuses to be called as such.

Everything indicates that she is

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Nov 11, 2015 6:14 AM

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With today's episode, I upped the choice made at the time of seeing Utawarerumono, if this has not been done you will miss a part of the show, but it's not an important thing, at least for now. Slow, discursive and fun, but I want some action, too. I think 25 episodes will not be enough with the current pace, if the intention is to tell everything.

Nov 11, 2015 8:36 AM

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At this point, Aruru has grown up right?

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

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Nov 11, 2015 4:05 PM

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Wow that episode was dull. I had to keep making sure I didn't fall asleep.

Nov 12, 2015 1:12 AM

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stephen5000 said:
Wow that episode was dull. I had to keep making sure I didn't fall asleep.

This episode is where you -really- start missing out on stuff if you haven't seen the first Utawarerumono.

Really nice surprise in this episode, with music straight from the first game, follow closely by a character staight from the first game. ^^

Did I miss or forget the bit where we find out that Yamato and Tusukuru are two distinct countries, or was that just revealed this episode? It reminds me that the setting and characters of Utawarerumono are supposedly* based less on ancient Japan (Yamato), and more on the Ainu people, an ethnic group that inhabited Hokkaido and northern Honshu. I recall the in-game map placed Tusukuru vaguely in northern Honshu.

*see wikipedia or game translator's note

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Takata said:
Did I miss or forget the bit where we find out that Yamato and Tusukuru are two distinct countries, or was that just revealed this episode? It reminds me that the setting and characters of Utawarerumono are supposedly* based less on ancient Japan (Yamato), and more on the Ainu people, an ethnic group that inhabited Hokkaido and northern Honshu. I recall the in-game map placed Tusukuru vaguely in northern Honshu.

Until this episode we had no good way to gauge how far from the first part they were, both in time and in space. We knew the country's name was different, though.

Experts on culture would've probably guessed Yamato is quite unlike Tuskur in manner of dress and the way food is eaten, but there was no reason to assume the distance is in space, not time.

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flannan said:

Takata said:
Did I miss or forget the bit where we find out that Yamato and Tusukuru are two distinct countries, or was that just revealed this episode? It reminds me that the setting and characters of Utawarerumono are supposedly* based less on ancient Japan (Yamato), and more on the Ainu people, an ethnic group that inhabited Hokkaido and northern Honshu. I recall the in-game map placed Tusukuru vaguely in northern Honshu.

Until this episode we had no good way to gauge how far from the first part they were, both in time and in space. We knew the country's name was different, though.

Experts on culture would've probably guessed Yamato is quite unlike Tuskur in manner of dress and the way food is eaten, but there was no reason to assume the distance is in space, not time.

Except that the climate is shown to be very different, down to entire species not even existing there.
We also had a mention that Kuon is from another country when they reached the capital in after credits few episodes ago. connecting that with the fact that she had the fan and knew of Hakuoro's name, very much indicates they are different countries.

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stephen5000 said:
Wow that episode was dull. I had to keep making sure I didn't fall asleep.

This episode is where you -really- start missing out on stuff if you haven't seen the first Utawarerumono.

I can't wait for people who have not watched the first show, going all "wtf this makes no sense wtf is going on" once the plot start rolling

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CookingPriest said:

flannan said:

Until this episode we had no good way to gauge how far from the first part they were, both in time and in space. We knew the country's name was different, though.

Experts on culture would've probably guessed Yamato is quite unlike Tuskur in manner of dress and the way food is eaten, but there was no reason to assume the distance is in space, not time.

Except that the climate is shown to be very different, down to entire species not even existing there.

To the point someone complained when they thought they changed the Dinos into Birds, while being ignorant that "the story" could happen in a different island/continent altogether.

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CookingPriest said:

Except that the climate is shown to be very different, down to entire species not even existing there.

To the point someone complained when they thought they changed the Dinos into Birds, while being ignorant that "the story" could happen in a different island/continent altogether.

Well to be honest MAL's "alternate setting thag" that this had just few weeks ago did confuse a lot of people into thinking this is some kind of a "reboot" or "remake".

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