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| Incredible episode. An episode of revelations and twists, some expected, some don't. I confess I wasn't expecting Electra's betrayal, it would have helped if there was not a spoiler in the FREAKIN EPISODE TITLE... Anyway the episode was great, and knowing the past of such a great story can only improve the enjoyment of it. I'm gonna skip most of the next episodes, I know of the fillerish episodes and its quality, I'm not gonna ruin my enjoyment of Nadia. |
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| Wow, what an amazing episode. I'll miss the Nautilus...And Captain Nemo; he was an awesome character.Seeing him hold Marie and hug her was so sweet. I wonder how things'll go from here.I'm skipping the fillers, of course. |
skapandiJun 2, 2012 10:23 AM
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| Such a great episode. I also didn't expect this to happen from this anime but then again I thought it would be kid friendly for the most part. |
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JTurner said: This is the last great episode in the show for awhile. You heard it here first. Yeah I know about the infamous arc that anno didn't want. |
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| hands down best episode so far. |
| it reminds me of EoE ep25' |
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| A bit too info dump heavy for me and the fact that Electra said that whole spiel about her past from start to finish even revealing Nadia to be Nemo's daughter was cheesy. I enjoyed the whole episode and the whole reveal was intense but I can only imagine it could of been done a lot better than giving it to us all at once in the finale of the arc. I'm going to try and watch the filler but if it's as bad as everyone says I may just skip it. |
| All the revelations given into a simple long monologue from an angry and depressed character, this would usually never look as good as this episode did. 5/5 Young children may find this scene too frightening. I thought it would be kid friendly. People should remember about what they were themselves able to watch when they were younger, this sounds like overprotection. Even if it is fictional, a program for children isn't supposed to keep its viewers away from realities of life (blood, violence, genocide, negative emotions etc). @Lease_of_life It makes sense since it is about the egoism of a child, an interesting "lesson" for younger people. (thanks if it was supposed to support my last sentence). Is it the use of a monologue to give the supplemental informations that is awkward? |
Rei_IIIOct 20, 2017 10:47 AM
Rei366 said: All the revelations given into a simple long monologue from an angry and depressed character, this would usually never look as good as this episode did. 5/5 Young children may find this scene too frightening. I thought it would be kid friendly. People should remember about what they were themselves able to watch when they were younger, this sounds like overprotection. Even if it is fictional, a program for children isn't supposed to keep its viewers away from realities of life (blood, violence, genocide, negative emotions etc). Grave of the Fireflies was made with children in mind. EDIT: Nadia has suffered since the beginning from clumsy exposition. This episode showcased it perfectly. EDIT2: @Rei366 It was supposed to give you an example that supported your sentence. And yes, the use of a monologue there was really awkward since Nemo already knew 90% of the stuff she was telling him. |
Lease_of_LifeOct 20, 2017 9:05 PM
| "I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this. "Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal "No way Spirited Away is better than Akira. NO WAY." - Kanye West |
| This episode is memorable. Even though many years have passed since I first saw it, Electra's confrontation with Nemo remained clearly in my mind. Powerful stuff, which made Nadia's rejection of nemo earlier even more pogignant. I loved the bit when Neo (Nadia's brother) is in his throne. The choice of Goya's painting surrounding him is very indicative of Anno's artistic tastes. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| The character of Electra, with this episode, is more detailed in its character, but the interesting aspect does not stop only to this element, since you know better the past of Captain Nemo and so many background are finally revealed. The narration was very intense, one of the best episodes so far. |
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| Damn what an amazing episode, they've used the same tone for backstory telling as they did with the Atlantis funeral. It was pretty obvious that Nemo was Nadia's father, but to hear such a backstory and to then also know that Nadia's brother is the emperor for Neo Atlantis really made it even more epic, which makes it more logical that Gargoyle is his uncle or something. Really impressive and to top that off with a character development of that with Electra, really really great! Now I do wonder after all this, what the next 17 episodes actually will be like... I do wonder what will happen next and well to be honest while I hope I'll see them again the immense foreshadowing of Nemo's last visitation when they went to the south pole base made it pretty clear we won't... shame really I liked quite a few characters! That said, for Nadia to only realise it now and with such a backstory is quite dense, even the fathers approach she didn't wanted to accept will haunt her probably forever. Fantastic episode and really wonder what we'll see next! |
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| As much as I'm dreading the upcoming Island Arc episodes, I've been very impressed with the series so far. It just has a wonderful sense of adventure, and the cast is solid. It's also nice to see Anno and Gainax working with a proper budget, especially coming off Kare Kano. You won't have to worry about excessively-long recap scenes, or animation replaced with popsicle stick puppets here. The instant Nemo first saw Nadia I knew that he was her father. His backstory felt a bit underwhelming too. Obviously there was a huge sacrifice in what he did by sabotaging the tower, but given the alternative it's hard to really knock the guy. Those people, along with the rest of humanity, would have been wiped out had he done nothing. And as upsetting as that situation was for Nadia at the end, at least she's got Jean for support. They did hint at Nadia having a brother earlier but it was rather unexpected to see him in charge of Neo-Atlantis. The fact that he gave the go-ahead to assassinate his own mother tells you everything you need to know. It's a little crazy when you think about how much of a pacifist his sister is. Then you've got Electra with the Ritsuko-level breakdown lol. Such a lust for revenge. I wonder if Anno thinks all blonde women are emotionally unstable basketcases. Maybe he dated one and the experienced haunted him. |
LoveHaterSep 28, 2018 6:24 AM
| Damn, I instantly recognized Emperor Neo's seiyuu as the one who voiced Oberstein in LOGH! I hope he gets enough screen time so that I can enjoy his cold intimidating voice more :D And boy, how many revelations! Nemo is finally confirmed to be Nadia's father, and, judging by the jewels we see on his hand in the flashback, he seems to belong to the royal family. So if Neo is Nadia's brother, than the murdered queen was her mother, and Nemo was...the king? Who's the other guy in the "family photo"? Nemo's brother? I wonder if he has any significance to the story. It's also interesting just where was this fictional kingdom located. I also like the style of the flashback, it looks like something only Gainax would do. However, Nemo is implied to have stolen the Blue Water from the tower, deactivating it and causing it to self-destruct, right? How did Nemo and Gargoyle survive the explosion then? They were in the epicenter, weren't they? And now, the next 12 episodes are the infamous ones. I'm now really not sure whether I should watch them or not. I haven't heard anything good about them, but how would I know that they're horrible without watching them? I also have an obsessiveness with completing things...can't claim to have watched the show while skipping 30% of it. I'll give it a try, I guess... |
St0rmbladeSep 4, 2019 4:58 PM
| Damn what a fan-freakin-tastic episode had my eyes hooked to the screen from beginning to end! Yep a powerful revelation uncovering episode . . . but I agree it was undercut by the title of the episode 🤣 I mean seriously why make that the final title and release it like that on the broadcast! I mean there have been several episodes with instances where Electra has stared off and gotten this look in her eyes that looked like she was dealing with personal demons within but I still would have been surprised at least somewhat by the revelation! But, anyway picking up from the last episode the Nautilus had to detach its damaged outer layer to make a getaway and take out multiple Garfish subs in the process. We also get a relevant piece of information it appears as though Gargoyle answers to a man named Emperor Neo (now whether he is the true leader or just being used by Gargoyle we will have to see) even with his mask he seems to avoid any eye contact screen turned away and he still covers his eyes I wonder why. I did like the style of his throne room it fostered a rather unnerving and suffocating atmosphere! The scene where Nemo escorted the kids to his sub pod cabin was brilliantly done! Jean wanting to stay and Nemo just silently shaking his head and telling him to look after Nadia and giving him his Captain cap. Then when he reaches out to tell Nadia goodbye but she draws but man I could feel the piercing sting from that rejection and seems Nadia regretted doing that based on the look on her face. Though Marie hugging Nemo was sweet! Then Electra shoots Nemo it is so serious the jingle does not even play. And gives us quite the vivid backstory as it turns out Gargoyle and his troops were originally rebels in the kingdom of decedents of the original Atlantis and were successful overthrowing the in power regime and killing the Queen they even had support from Neo to recreate The Tower of Babel that doomed Atlantis thousands of years ago! The Tower caused destruction like the clashing of Heaven and Hell and Electra miraculously survived only to find the body of her little brother. The visuals throughout the whole segment are straight forward and effective in recreating the nightmare. Nemo who we learned was the King found her and she was grateful to him and grew fond of him blossoming into love. However, she then heard something that she never wanted to hear . . . . that Nemo had caused the self destruction of the Tower and thus caused the devastation upon his own kingdom. Now I recognize the two voices of Nemo and that older crew member who lost his son and grandson but that third voice . . . it sounds like the Gargoyle we know in present day now it could just be the same VA or maybe I misheard but I could swear it sounds like his I wonder how that plays into everything. But, what a choice Nemo had to decided to either destroy his kingdom and everything he has known and love or allow this weapon to annihilate the entirety of the world in its conquest to rule mankind. An impossible choice to make but it had to be made and Nemo in that instant choose the needs of the many over the needs of the few even with his personal feelings and connections in play . . . a choice that no doubt haunts him but also drives him to stop Gargoyle. But, even with knowing those were the two options is understandable that Electra still had a great burning hatred towards him and wanted to kill him but decided not too because she believed the sole reason he lived was to kill Gargoyle and Neo and most likely himself in the process. That is a brilliant relationship dynamic and motivation for Electra as she has shown she is willing to die to accomplish that goal as well. The delivery of these revelations were excellently emotionally charged and powerful as well! Then we get confirmation that Nadia is in fact the daughter of Nemo (which many of us suspected very early on but still a nice reveal nonetheless)! And the reason Electra is now trying to kill him is because ever since Nadia has appeared he has been changing and rediscovering parts of his humanity he believed to be long dead the Father within. The conflicting duality of these Nemos has thrown Electra into dismay. Worse is Nadia hears all this unfold and begs Electra not to shoot which gives her pause and she purposely misses the next shots and it is revealed the reason Nemo was not more suicidal in destroying Gargoyle was to not repeat the mistakes of the past and see it through to the end but also because he did not want to die and leave Electra alone . . . damn what a heroic legend Captain Nemo is always concerned with the well being of others especially those most important to him! Hearing that Electra loses the will to shoot him and decides to use the final bullet on herself instead. But, naturally Nemo stops her telling her to live and treat life not so carelessly causing her to break down in tears! And with that her tells Nadia to live and detaches his sub cabin and Nadia, Jean, Marie and King float away. With King activating the holographic photo of Nadia, Nemo and her family and Nadia lamenting the fact that a part of her past had been right in front of her for so long and she treated him so coldly and had kept him at a distance as Jean comforts her places his hand on top of hers . . . Damn powerful ending to a phenomenal episode! I cannot wait to see wait is next on the horizon at this point (well it is a bunch of infamous filler XD but I mean after that and naturally I will watch it all at least once for completion sake because I am crazy like that)! |
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| So, Gargoyle is second to the Emperor Neo (definitely Nadia's brother). Or is Neo a puppet figurehead ruler since for so long it seemed as if Gargoyle was in charge of Neo Atlantis. It's sad seeing Nadia brush off Nemo's attempts to be a father. Nemo's real son Neo is with the cult so he sees Jean, with his enthusiasm for science, to be a substitute. Electra for sure hates Gargoyle for using the tower of babel as a weapon, but she waited until the moment where she thinks all hope is lost, certain that both she and Nemo would die, to take revenge for Nemo's role in the incident. Nemo had to destroy the tower of babel to stop Gargoyle from using it to conquer the world (the greater good), but it meant destroying a lot of Atlantis due to the resulting explosion. So if I got the history of the show correct; In ancient times, there was once a civilization called Atlantis with advanced technology, capable of putting satellites into space and creating weapons like the tower of babel. The Kingdom of Tartessos was the Atlantean civilzation in decline. Only the royal family (Nemo, Nadia and Neo) were pure Atlanteans whereas citizens of Tartessos like Electra looked European. Gargoyle was planning to restore Atlantean civilization to its glory by making Neo a puppet ruler of "Neo Atlantis" and reviving the Tower of Babel. Nemo knew if the Tower of Babel came into full operation, the world would be destroyed so he blew it up at the cost of destroying Tartessos and many of its citizens. |
Fortress_MaximusFeb 1, 2021 4:28 PM
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| I do wish I hadn't read all the comments about the upcoming episodes. Personally I don't mind filler episodes but people keep saying they are terrible and I'm dreading them in a way now, but I'm not going to skip them, I want to see the entire series for better or worse. I guess I'll find out if they really are as bad as everyone says. |
| Holy shit that dialogue in the flashback that led to Electra finding out about Nemo's role in the Tower of Babel's destruction was so fucking stupid and contrived: as if they'd so blatantly exposit every detail of his actions like that for Electra to learn the truth. At best, they'd have realistically stopped at "you were right to do what you did 5 years ago in destroying the Tower of Babel"; they'd have never exposited about Nemo removing the Blue Water from the Tower among themselves so specifically when it was something all of them knew about. On that same note, Electra monologuing like she did and that being how Nemo being Nadia's father is revealed to her is similarly silly and lazy. No amount of stylistic choices made in that flashback sequence can mask that fact. I just have to conclude that I don't like Anno's writing style based on this and Evangelion, no matter how good the critical reception for both is. |
| Their emperor has similar hair color to Nadia, connections? |
| Would have been nice if they had set these revelations up a little more beforehand, but this episode was still an awesomely well directed slice of Gunbuster-style operatic melodrama. |
| Emperor Neo has Goya's Saturn Devouring His Son for his desktop wallpaper, what a sick fuck! yep not surprised Electra got pushed over the line after that extreme piece of ownage Jesse... I mean Grandis laid on her last episode, made her really see the big picture as it really is. and as for Nadia, it aaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll makes sense now. damn she's even in the hologram |
| I... I am not sure I understood everything well. This all episode was intense but Electra delivering the whole plot in a long monologue... wasn't there better ways for this? Something less heavy to process? I am maybe just dumb but I was lost during this monologue so I don't think I loved this episode as much as I could have |
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