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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Lots of things happened again, Komoda was killed and the government announced it was suicide. I would have never guessed that Tanaka would die anytime soon, that's really a shame. I'm struggeling to apply my theory to this episode's enemy, the hole they dug for Zearth, was it the same metaphorical 'hole' Takami's father was put in when he had to bear with all what's happened lately? And it looks like Kana is still not off the hook. This is one twisted show. |
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| This episode has got me thinking. Has there been any blood in this show at all? After watching Tanaka's bloodless death I tried to think of any scenes with blood and none could come to mind. The animation for the shootout was poor which I can forgive but the fact that she was lying there with no visible signs of being hurt seriously lessened the impact of that scene. With no visible injuries I was thinking she had on a bulletproof vest on or something but then she just passes away. Now it looks like Kana will end up taking on Dung Beetle's final job after all =( Councilor Komoda's resignation speech had some interesting insights when he referred to the fighting as parallel Earth natural selection. While it does make some sense in the context of what has happened I'm wondering why this method was set up in the first place. Is there a true purpose behind it? And then there is Hasegawa. He looks to be the one heading the government conspiracy. He was pretty straight forward about getting his hands on Zearth's technology. I'm looking foward to seeing Jun's past next episode. |
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tainteddonut said: This episode has got me thinking. Has there been any blood in this show at all? After watching Tanaka's bloodless death I tried to think of any scenes with blood and none could come to mind. The animation for the shootout was poor which I can forgive but the fact that she was lying there with no visible signs of being hurt seriously lessened the impact of that scene. With no visible injuries I was thinking she had on a bulletproof vest on or something but then she just passes away. Even though the blood that was on Tanaka's brother's (I can't recall the name right now) shirt when he arrived at Jun's and Kana's place looked pretty good (in the graphical aspect), so it indeed would have been good for the show to see some blood in the scene you mentioned. |
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tainteddonut said: Yeah, I also though she had a vest one, but after she gets shot on the ground I realized they wouldn't show blood. It's indeed a pity since the scene loses all impact.This episode has got me thinking. Has there been any blood in this show at all? After watching Tanaka's bloodless death I tried to think of any scenes with blood and none could come to mind. The animation for the shootout was poor which I can forgive but the fact that she was lying there with no visible signs of being hurt seriously lessened the impact of that scene. With no visible injuries I was thinking she had on a bulletproof vest on or something but then she just passes away. Now it looks like Kana will end up taking on Dung Beetle's final job after all =( There was one scene with blood I can remember. When the glasses kid (forgot his name) dies under the debris and gets transported into Zearth. Even though the image was sort of censored I remember seeing something blood-like on the floor. Really pisses me off that the conspirators are going ahead with their plans and no one can stop them :/. I'm also looking forward to seeing some background on Jun and Tanaka next episode. Even though Jun was the character I liked less from the beginning I'm beginning to like him for some reason |
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| Aw Dung Beetle didn't have much show time this episode. Well at least Zearth now has some sort of massive laser like all good robots should. |
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| You're both right. There were a few blood stains on Tomatsu's shirt. What little they showed of Kako after he died also had some blood stains on the shirt he was wearing. It's not like I'm expecting an animated blood bath for this series but that scene with Tanaka just really bugged me. Kayrhandros said: Really pisses me off that the conspirators are going ahead with their plans and no one can stop them :/. I'm also looking forward to seeing some background on Jun and Tanaka next episode. Even though Jun was the character I liked less from the beginning I'm beginning to like him for some reason Same here. They've been pretty consistent at killing off the kids' remaining chances so I can only wonder how the government conspirators and true masterminds will be handled from here on out. |
| ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
tainteddonut said: Exactly o.o... it really bugged me too. I find it strange that a show that approaches these kinda themes and deals with death almost every episode "is afraid", so to speak, to show blood. Even more strange since it's been shown/hinted before. Maybe this scene won't be bloodless in the DVDs. Still, it doesn't erase the fact that it gave an odd tone to what should have been a dramatic scene.You're both right. There were a few blood stains on Tomatsu's shirt. What little they showed of Kako after he died also had some blood stains on the shirt he was wearing. It's not like I'm expecting an animated blood bath for this series but that scene with Tanaka just really bugged me. |
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| However, I still don't like Jun. Acting like an asshole in the beginning and then not acting like one for a while doesn't make him a better character. But we shall see. |
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| Hm... I won´t say anything about the blood or other things that were allready mentioned... But there´s something I´m wondering about... How the hell did the enemy build this trap ? I mean... I would assume that they had some fights before since it looked like they allready had a stategy they were following... But we "do" know that we "don´t" know when / where a fight will happen... So... how the hell did they build such a big hole on exakt the right location while covering it with buildings and whatnot to hide it ? Over and over again ? ( at least some times... ) It doesn´t make that much sence to me... And the other little thing is... Didn´t one enemy commit suicide ? So... didn´t one pilot take the enemys two should´ve faced ? Since one ( again ) didn´t face his... that would make things even right ? So why do they need another one ? If I´m wrong about anything please say so... but these things just don´t seem to fit... |
Sylias said: But there´s something I´m wondering about... How the hell did the enemy build this trap ? I mean... I would assume that they had some fights before since it looked like they allready had a stategy they were following... But we "do" know that we "don´t" know when / where a fight will happen... So... how the hell did they build such a big hole on exakt the right location while covering it with buildings and whatnot to hide it ? Over and over again ? ( at least some times... ) It doesn´t make that much sence to me... I thought up an explaination for that but most of it is referencing fights going off my memory so someone correct me if I'm wrong. The only thing they don't know is if their next match is going to be home or away. However so far it would appear home games are all held close to where the kids are located at that time. For a few examples, when they were in their summer camp by the seaside they fought at that town there. When it became Chizu's turn to fight they were in the same city where she was able to track down that cheating teacher. Daiichi fought not far from his home when he defeated the enemy by the amusement park. Masaru fought in the city where he witnessed his father's death etc. etc. If that's the case then it wouldn't be difficult to set up a trap beforehand. Just keep all eligible pilots in the same city where you plan on digging your hole and when the enemy shows up wait for it at the right spot. And the other little thing is... Didn´t one enemy commit suicide ? So... didn´t one pilot take the enemys two should´ve faced ? Since one ( again ) didn´t face his... that would make things even right ? So why do they need another one ? If I´m wrong about anything please say so... but these things just don´t seem to fit... You're right. When one of the enemy committed suicide they were up one pilot. This meant Yoshikawa wouldn't have had to fight anyone. However, remember Dung Beetle seems to have a final job lined up for whoever is the remaining survivor. Now that Tanaka is dead, there is no choice but to have Yoshikawa fight that last battle and leave the final job up to Kana. It's unkown whether this final job will be another fight or something more insidious. |
tainteddonutSep 16, 2007 10:26 AM
| ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
tainteddonut said: I could go with your explanation tainteddonut, but to be honest I took it more like a cliche scene, created to give emphasis to the fact that other earths are helping their pilots and supporting them (and this was not the first time. The time they discovered they were doing "away games" there were people cheering for the other mecha on buildings and stuff.) while the kids earth was, not only "denying support" but also making their lives more difficult.Sylias said: But there´s something I´m wondering about... How the hell did the enemy build this trap ? I mean... I would assume that they had some fights before since it looked like they allready had a stategy they were following... But we "do" know that we "don´t" know when / where a fight will happen... So... how the hell did they build such a big hole on exakt the right location while covering it with buildings and whatnot to hide it ? Over and over again ? ( at least some times... ) It doesn´t make that much sence to me... I thought up an explaination for that but most of it is referencing fights going off my memory so someone correct me if I'm wrong. The only thing they don't know is if their next match is going to be home or away. However so far it would appear home games are all held close to where the kids are located at that time. For a few examples, when they were in their summer camp by the seaside they fought at that town there. When it became Chizu's turn to fight they were in the same city where she was able to track down that cheating teacher. Daiichi fought not far from his home when he defeated the enemy by the amusement park. Masaru fought in the city where he witnessed his father's death etc. etc. If that's the case then it wouldn't be difficult to set up a trap beforehand. Just keep all eligible pilots in the same city where you plan on digging your hole and when the enemy shows up wait for it at the right spot. As for the pilot thing, I totally agree. |
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| Actually, I think it works both ways.....though I don't think 'cliche' is quite the right word. I'm thinking 'symbolic' is more like it. Kinda like the enemy mechs: each one is both real and symbolic (supposedly :P). It does volumes to reinforce the fact that the parallel Earths are doing everything they can to help out their pilots, while our Earth is basically shitting all over them. And, in turn, it shows the strength of the pilot when they, despite being shit on, find the strength to fight and achieve victory. |
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| I meant 'cliche' because the hole was in the exact right place :). I understand what you mean though. |
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| Hm... I can agree with the whole symbolic stuff... it what gives the series this little special touch ( even though some enemys just seem to exist for the sake of being symbolic to the situation of the fighting pilot at that time... ) Because of this I´m willing to overlook logical error like "how the hell did they build such a small thing like a city over and over again to cover the same big as shit hole in the ground ( assuming it´s the same each time because of the "let the pilots stay in one place theory ) But I´m still not over the pilot thing... true... last job and stuff... But when they were short some pilots and as well when they had one to spare this didn´t seem to matter... Whatever the last one´s supposed to do... after the 15 fights there should´ve been none left and now there will be someone left... i don´t think this was supposed to be this way... otherwise ( forgot name >> ) woulnd´t have had the mission to gather 15 pilots but 16... At the moment we have exactly the right number ( two getting killed, one not contracted / one winning two fights, two new members )... so why another one x__X ? |
| Is it explicitly stated that they have to participate in exactly 15 fights, rather than at least 15? I assumed that when Kirie didn't fight and the enemy robot killed itself, since he was still designated pilot and still alive, he'd just stay on as pilot and have to continue fighting until he was defeated either by his own inaction or he decided to fight but lost, or until he fought and won, - that is, the number of pilots is the important thing, not the number of fights, so long as everyone pilots for at least one battle. Regarding blood, I had this argument with my flatmate and we rewatched that bit. When Tanaka's brother finds her on the floor, I saw her as lying in a pool of blood, he saw her as lying with her coat fanned out around her; it's irregularly shaped and dimly lit enough that it could be either. I still argue it was blood, as she was lying in that same position with her coat close around her when she was shot, so why would it fan out afterwards? |
| Another awesome ep, I was suprised when Takano died, i was hoping she would tell Ushiro she was his mother. Oh well, poor Kana now has to do something it seems... damn it, have to wait till tommorow to continue watching my bokurano marathon... and then a hmwork marathon b4 the holidays end ;_; ...... |
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| I really didn't think that Tanaka would die, at least not in the way that she did. It really sucks for Kana now that she has to pilot Zearth, I wonder when her turn will be in this, if she'll be saved for last or just take Tanaka's place for her. |
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OmegaJudgement said: Aw Dung Beetle didn't have much show time this episode. But the small amount of time he had, was great. This episode had great twists, besides the obviously coming murder of the father; I didn't really see Tanaka dying, but I'm not too surprised. What surprised me was the hole that was dug up. When was it dug up by the humans from this earth? When they saw the two behemoths, they had time to do such a huge radius along with preparations before the fight started? Sounds too easy. Kana-chan isn't off the hook; I did think "Tanaka is dead, that means one less pilot.. hmm", but I loved how Dung Beetle just said "She's just a tot but, I guess we'll use Kana." with the instant transmission to the white 'to continue' screen; very effective. Amazing episode; sadly this anime doesn't stop getting better, I can't even add more adjectives to it's epicness already since episode 12-13ish... I've been annoyed by that since, gah. |
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| Good stuff but I prefer the manga. There were some changes made which I didn't quite like. |
| I'm really surprised by this last parents that know about their children being pilots. For a parent losing a child would normally be the biggest nightmare they can imagine and yet this parents don't seem crushed by that fact. The wife of the TV guy was more worried that her husband cheated on her instead of the fact that her daughter is going to die and the woman in this episode seemed more troubled about the problems of her husband than losing her daughter also. The fathers of both children where absorbed in their own problems and didn't seem to be anguishing very much about the up-coming loss of their child. Their behavior just doesn't seem very logical at all. As for Tanaka and blood? I believe she was wearing a vest. That's why their was little blood it probably was kept from flowing out in big quantities by the vest. A bulletproof vest doesn't make you the terminator so she still died when she got shot up-close from three guns. You people naively assumed that dieing from their shots meant she wasn't wearing one. The hole was a plot hole as well. There was no way to know exactly where to dig that hole. Also as other already said why to they need to use Kana when the other kid already fought two? Except if a battle really counts only when they defeat the enemy so the suicide of that guy didn't count. |
| ...LOL, did that robot just grow a penis and piss on Zearth? I loved her battle though, the laser was pretty cool, and I loved that she fought for her dad. I didn't expect Tanaka to die like this at all though. So does this mean poor little Kana is gonna have to pilot? ;_; Whyyy |
| If I was Takami, I think I would just suicide like that how a previous mecha of the other Earth did. This Earth is just too cruel and makes me hate the society... |
| Next pilot........ Kana??? ;_; |
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| I was pretty pissed off at Tanaka this episode ... she seems to have no reason to continue to keep Ushiro in the dark about being his mom, even though she knows this is the only chance she'll have before he dies. Then she goes and gets her own stupid self killed first. And the conspirators continue to run roughshod over everyone, their own saviors included. Almost makes me want to see Zearth lose so all those assholes will stop existing. Did anyone else want to shout, "GETTTAAA BEEEEAAAAM!!!" when Zearth unleashed that chest-laser? XD |
| Alright episode, not emotionally attached at this point |
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| Sad day. They killed off my favorite character. Seriously, she was one of the few genuinely likable characters in this anime. And of course, they had another easy win even though they were clearly at a massive disadvantage being held down in a pit of extremely volatile acid. Why do they even bother to continue these fights? They should just destroy all the other Earths, because Zearth is stupidly overpowered. Either that, or all the other Earths have complete retards piloting their mechs. The fights are completely uninteresting, there is zero drama involved, since I already know for a fact that Zearth is going to win before the battle even begins. There isn't even any twists in the fight, it's just a straightforward and easy victory every single time. At the part where she was talking about how the world betrayed her father but her father still loved the world regardless and how she has to fight like her father did and all that other overly dramatic sentimental garbage, I couldn't help but laugh at how anticlimactic it all was, since she won so easily. What does "fighting like her father" have to do with anything when even a retarded half-asleep monkey could have won that fight? Any dramatic potential that little speech of hers had was completely negated by that fight scene. Also, this episode created a major plot inconsistency. The shy kid won two battles, yet for whatever reason Dung Beetle claims that they're down a pilot. Wouldn't that mean they were short a pilot all along? It makes zero sense. Monad said: I'm really surprised by this last parents that know about their children being pilots. For a parent losing a child would normally be the biggest nightmare they can imagine and yet this parents don't seem crushed by that fact. It's probably because they understand that if she doesn't pilot Zearth everyone's entire existence will be completely erased and this fate is unavoidable and her sacrifice is for a noble cause and whatnot. Her mom looked rather lifeless in the beginning, but quickly pulled herself together after her husband pointed it out. My guess is that they are probably emotionally devastated by it yet they are putting up a front so they can act orderly around other people. Blind_Guardian said: Almost makes me want to see Zearth lose so all those assholes will stop existing. Living without an asshole would be pretty tough, and I'm sure that assholes exist and will continue to exist in all those other parallel Earths too. The real question then is, which group of assholes do you care more about, our assholes or their assholes? Here's something to think about, what if Zearth isn't actually fighting for our Earth? What if the Earth that this anime takes place in is actually one of the parallel Earths? What if the next battle is Bokurano's Earth vs. our Earth? Who would you want to win then? |
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| I can't believe Tanaka is dead :( I never thought she would die this way... She couldn't tell Jun she was his mother... Jun is next :( I don't want him to dieee. He is the best character in the series. |
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Monad said: I'm really surprised by this last parents that know about their children being pilots. For a parent losing a child would normally be the biggest nightmare they can imagine and yet this parents don't seem crushed by that fact. The wife of the TV guy was more worried that her husband cheated on her instead of the fact that her daughter is going to die and the woman in this episode seemed more troubled about the problems of her husband than losing her daughter also. The fathers of both children where absorbed in their own problems and didn't seem to be anguishing very much about the up-coming loss of their child. Their behavior just doesn't seem very logical at all. As for Tanaka and blood? I believe she was wearing a vest. That's why their was little blood it probably was kept from flowing out in big quantities by the vest. A bulletproof vest doesn't make you the terminator so she still died when she got shot up-close from three guns. You people naively assumed that dieing from their shots meant she wasn't wearing one. The hole was a plot hole as well. There was no way to know exactly where to dig that hole. Also as other already said why to they need to use Kana when the other kid already fought two? Except if a battle really counts only when they defeat the enemy so the suicide of that guy didn't count. Ithought exactly the same about the parents... their reactions were totally ilogical. |
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Blind_Guardian said: I was pretty pissed off at Tanaka this episode ... she seems to have no reason to continue to keep Ushiro in the dark about being his mom, even though she knows this is the only chance she'll have before he dies. Then she goes and gets her own stupid self killed first. I agree with this one. So far there's been no explanation given as to why this should be such a secret. I hope they will explain this in one of the next episodes. Laraso said: Sad day. They killed off my favorite character. Seriously, she was one of the few genuinely likable characters in this anime. And conversely, she probably irritated me the most, so I'm kinda glad she's gone. But what the hell was that thing with her father all about? Why would he choose to simply stay in his house and get killed? Posing as a martyr? He knows his daughter's going to die soon and instead of spending the last moments with her he does a stupid pseudo-symbolical scene? One of the most stupid scenes I've seen in this anime and, fortunately, there's not too many of those here. |
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| No way did she really get killed :| She didn't even manage to give those scarfs in person, nor did she manage to actually tell who she really was! Fuck that ending sure was dramatic, this whole episode was more or less political shit! But that ending sure amazed me! This robot sure had some interesting way trying to defeat them! |
RafaelDeJonghMar 4, 2014 3:29 PM
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| This episode was so incredibly stupid and lazy and the characters are just not interesting anymore. They really did kill of all the good ones it seems. It's been this way for the last few episodes, all of which have just been ok at best. The show is losing my interest unfortunately and this episode was just the final straw that annoyed me enough to get me to post. There's a lot of things I don't understand, why the councilor is rushed out suddenly over a broken glass and some paint on the wall? Why he just gives up? How Tanaka was still alive after being shot point blank in the chest and then several times after? She should not be alive, no fucking chance. Why people believe that it was a suicide? Guy gets disrupted with some scary red paint and drives off to his home and suddenly commits suicide? Must be common place for nobody to find that suspicious. Why nobody gives a shit that their children are dying? How the other earth had a hole prepared for Zearth and enough acid to fill the whole of that size? How does Zearth just shoot a lazer out of it's face, is the plot armor that strong? I mean, these fights have always been bad but wow this one in particular really sucked me out of the story. The shoot out scene was also incredibly bad along with the car chases. The cars look awful and move sluggishly, mouths don't move when people are talking sometimes and the animation overall is just really bad. Which normally I could overlook due to how interesting the story is but this episode was so terrible that I don't think I can anymore. I don't think it can recover from this because so many important plot points are going to stem from this episode now that it'll constantly be brought up and all I'll be able to think about was how bad it was. This reminds me of how bad and annoying the anime Phantom was, except that anime went bad in like the first 6 episodes or something, I got a legitimately good anime for at least 12 or so episodes here so at least that's something. I hope they fix it all and amaze me with some stunning revelation because this show has gone bad quick. |
PANDEMlCJun 11, 2014 11:38 AM
| so yeah i guess the goverment doesnt care about the pilots in the least, in fact they re giving them reasons to not fight anymore, killing pilots father? an killing one of the pilots? they are insane |
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| This series had a good start but it has been gradually getting worse and worse. The whole story about goverment silencing the opposition was just stupid because if the kids would have even once said that "if you don't let us tell the truth we wont fight" that story would have ended before it started. Shit like that just keep's piling up. And i do agree with others that the death of the female officer (i already forgot her name) was handled very poorly. If they didn't want to show blood then why didn't they have her being shot by guns that use that don't use bullets. This series doesn't take place in our earth so she could have been shot by some futuristic guns and we wouldn't have to shake our heads here. And by the way. How did the other earth prepare that pit when there isn't any quarantine where the fight takes place. Did someone tell them that the fight would take place on that exact place or where they just crossing their fingers. (well there's possible theory above but the trap still seem way too convenient) Monad said: I'm really surprised by this last parents that know about their children being pilots. For a parent losing a child would normally be the biggest nightmare they can imagine and yet this parents don't seem crushed by that fact. The wife of the TV guy was more worried that her husband cheated on her instead of the fact that her daughter is going to die and the woman in this episode seemed more troubled about the problems of her husband than losing her daughter also. The fathers of both children where absorbed in their own problems and didn't seem to be anguishing very much about the up-coming loss of their child. Their behavior just doesn't seem very logical at all. As for Tanaka and blood? I believe she was wearing a vest. That's why their was little blood it probably was kept from flowing out in big quantities by the vest. A bulletproof vest doesn't make you the terminator so she still died when she got shot up-close from three guns. You people naively assumed that dieing from their shots meant she wasn't wearing one. The hole was a plot hole as well. There was no way to know exactly where to dig that hole. Also as other already said why to they need to use Kana when the other kid already fought two? Except if a battle really counts only when they defeat the enemy so the suicide of that guy didn't count. There wasn't bullet holes in her shirt though which is why i'm not accepting that she actually had a vest. |
KuruwinApr 10, 2015 11:08 PM
| So sad that she was a coward who couldn't say to her son that she is the only 1 mother he was searching for!She must have acted more like a mother-because what kids really need is love, attention and care...Poor Ushiro( |
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| Another great episode. This show is so good i've cruised almost all the way through in a few nights. |
| That was so dumb, I don't know why Tanaka didn't tell Ushiro that she was his mother. I mean she had to know that they were going to die eventually piloting the robot, so wtf. Is she that much of a coward? I mean she knows the kid is in pain for not having a mother and is barely getting by. She earns crappy mother of the year award lol. |
| I'm a bit confused. Since the one robot commit suicide leading Kirie fighting two battles that means they need one less pilot (fixed the number of enemy to 15). Then Tanaka died so it should cancels out the difference which mean there is no need for Kana-chan to be a pilot. Am I right? |
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| One of the best episode so far. RIP to Tanaka and Takami's dad. While I knew her dad would going to be killed sooner or later, Tanaka's death is pretty unexpected. And RIP my favorite girl Takami. A beautiful, innocent and smart girl (she's smart enough to take advantage of her father's position by telling him about what she involved in as early as possible) |
| This show has really dropped off after the halfway point. Ever since the whole government plotline became more prevalent the story has been way more boring and generic. It's the same old shtick of the government only seeking financial or technological gain (the earth is on the line who gives a shit??), I've seen it a hundred times before. It's a shame as the core premise is so unique, I wish they'd focus more on the kids' drama like it originally did. Even then the current kids' stories are nowhere near as interesting. Really hope it picks up for the home stretch. |
| That's kinda cringe but I laughed |
| LMFAO. got that other earth creating literal pitfalls to support their pilots, while their earth is killing off or disposing of anyone who is interfering with keeping the public in the dark about zearth. the other earth should have survived, this earth is corrupted. it's fine since i got to see takami's blue cero prayer beam. the most annoying shit though? tanaka. how cowardly can someone get... she was the go-to call and emotional support for every character, even kana, yet purposefully distanced herself from her own goddamn son. too many chances were given to properly tell jun that he was her son, the history, why he was let go for presumed adoption. what the actual hell? jun even opened up about how he and kana have no clothes for the winter, have been borrowing money from another boy, and i know tanaka doesn't think that their basement is a place where any child should be forced to live in by THEMSELVES. are you perhaps, poor, tanaka? forget it, no more words. i should have done this earlier. why talk when you can just kick someone in the face |
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