Gatchaman Crowds Episode 7 Discussion

DancingJack said:
Okay... I liked this episode, don't get me wrong but I'm starting to get kind of annoyed with the Gatchaman never actually fighting. We are 7 episodes into this anime and the only actual short fight we saw was the first one in the first episode.

I'm getting tired of Hajime's "care and at the same time don't care"-attitude.
I really liked her at the beginning and thought she would actually fight against Berg Katze but she just talks casually to it while two of her friends are nearly dead. There is a point where you have to draw a line, really... Lucky for her she has Utsutsu who can heal them but what if she wasn't there? Would she still just let them lie there dying while she asks Berg Katze some stupid questions?

And at the same time Utsutsu is slowly sacrificing her life force because her friends almost died... and Hajime doesn't even care about that, too.
Pai-Pai turned badass and than completely coward in two seconds... Even if you are too scared to fight, you don't even try to save your friends? You were right, Pai-Pai, you really are a useless Leader.

Hajime has to realize that you can't just "meet" and be friends with everyone. She should've learned by now that she can't reason with Berg Katze, because it just wants to destroy the world.
First she talks to Pai-Pai of how they have to decide something even if it's scary to change something... and in the end she herself does nothing at all... awesome.

Right now I'm really disappointed with the Gatchaman...

Lil_Wayne said:

Tbh your problem is you don't really get Hajime's intentions. This isn't a stupid girl.

You like the blonde one are looking straight ahead and just want to see good defeat evil while Hajime realizes it isn't always that black and white. Instead she tries to understand her enemy and see if the problem can be resolved without fighting.

In regards to Katze even if her friends were getting killed at his hands, what could Hajime do? Hajime would just end up getting destroyed like the others compounding the problem and putting Utsutsu in danger. Trying to fight Katze would be stupid.

If Utsutsu were not there her actions probably would be different, but she probably still wouldnt fight Katze and would focus on either distracting him or moving the other two to a safer location.

Pai-Pai is a joke character. He is there for comedic effect and has done so successfully.

She didn't make a decision because its stupid to do so without knowing what you're dealing with. Everyone assumes that Berg Katze wants to destroy the world just like everyone assumed the MESS were evil and wanted to harm humans. Perception doesn't always equal reality and instead of doing something stupid like making a rash decision, Hajime at least tried to ascertain Katze's nature and intentions and was able to get another clue out of him while saving her friends.

I also don't think it is a coincidence that Hajime couldn't see Katze. Katze preys on the weaknesses of human hearts. I don't think it is a coincidence that the only character who couldn't see Katze was the one character who doesn't have such a weakness.

DancingJack said:

Hajime... makes rush decisions all the time. She was the one who wanted Pai-Pai decide all the time on what to do next. She was one of the first ones who wanted to confront Berg Katze.

She didn't know what she was dealing with when she "meet" the Mess either - Actually she was just lucky. She couldn't possibly predict what would happen when she showed the world that Gatchaman actually exist. Even if they try to imply in the anime she is actually really smart and thinks about all that stuff beforehand... this all doesn't makes any sense.

And they don't know the real intentions of Berg Katze? It mentioned a few times that it wants the world to go up in big red blaze and the world shines the prettiest when it's destroyed. In the end of the conversations it even said it is not satisfied at all yet. It slowly plunges the world into chaos by all the little accidents it is causing. Aside from Pai-Pai and the other guy (forgot his name just now) mentioning it destroyed every planet it appeard on until now.
It doesn't really seem like it's intentions are unclear... and even if there is another point to it all, it still rampages around killing innocent people, so yeah...

And Hajime wouldn't stand a chance so she didn't fight, right? Again lucky for her Berg Katze stopped attacking for no reason and disappeared instead of just finishing off everybody. So it doesn't has anything to do with her being smart about it... just alot of lucky coincidence.

Also about Pai-Pai... I didn't think it was funny, I think it was build up for then nothing happening at all. Maybe I have a little different taste in Anime but I like when characters finally take a stand for what is right. I don't like it over the top and all the time, but the amount of build up in this EP for the Gatchaman to finally make a move was just right... and in the end... good for Hajime that she somehow knew... she could stop Berg Katze by talking even though she never dealt with it before. It just completely trashed 3 people, kills innocents all the time... I would've bet that trying to fight it had a higher chance of success... than talking... But I must be not as smart as Hajime...

DancingJack said:


Hajime... makes rush decisions all the time. She was the one who wanted Pai-Pai decide all the time on what to do next. She was one of the first ones who wanted to confront Berg Katze.

She didn't know what she was dealing with when she "meet" the Mess either - Actually she was just lucky. She couldn't possibly predict what would happen when she showed the world that Gatchaman actually exist. Even if they try to imply in the anime she is actually really smart and thinks about all that stuff beforehand... this all doesn't makes any sense.

And they don't know the real intentions of Berg Katze? It mentioned a few times that it wants the world to go up in big red blaze and the world shines the prettiest when it's destroyed. In the end of the conversations it even said it is not satisfied at all yet. It slowly plunges the world into chaos by all the little accidents it is causing. Aside from Pai-Pai and the other guy (forgot his name just now) mentioning it destroyed every planet it appeard on until now.
It doesn't really seem like it's intentions are unclear... and even if there is another point to it all, it still rampages around killing innocent people, so yeah...

And Hajime wouldn't stand a chance so she didn't fight, right? Again lucky for her Berg Katze stopped attacking for no reason and disappeared instead of just finishing off everybody. So it doesn't has anything to do with her being smart about it... just alot of lucky coincidence.

Also about Pai-Pai... I didn't think it was funny, I think it was build up for then nothing happening at all. Maybe I have a little different taste in Anime but I like when characters finally take a stand for what is right. I don't like it over the top and all the time, but the amount of build up in this EP for the Gatchaman to finally make a move was just right... and in the end... good for Hajime that she somehow knew... she could stop Berg Katze by talking even though she never dealt with it before. It just completely trashed 3 people, kills innocents all the time... I would've bet that trying to fight it had a higher chance of success... than talking... But I must be not as smart as Hajime...

Lil_Wayne said:
It sounds to me like you want something very generic, straight-forward and imo boring in the anime you watch. You want your heroes and villains to be clearly established, to be static and generic with no motive or intention behind their actions ie I'm evil so I do bad things, and I'm good so I stop evil, and you of course want good to go and fight evil in physical confrontation with no thought at all. If you want something like that I suggest Bleach or Naruto (which aren't bad). However, that is not what this show is and that is not how this MC (Hajime) operates. To try and take everything at face value with her undermines her character a lot and understandably for you makes the show unenjoyable to watch.

Fangz said:


You're silly.

1. Pai-pai made himself the leader. But while Jou is in the middle of fighting, he expresses the fear that Jou can't possibly win, thus revealing that he had been keeping secrets about Berg from the rest of the team. Then he's paralysed in indecision. Hajime is 100% correct in pushing him to make a decision, because sitting there, Jou was going to get killed. The other alternative was for Hajime and Utsuru to head off on their own, but Paiman deserves a chance to try to redeem himself.

2. She took a calculated risk when she dealt with the MESS, because she observed that the MESS was never pro-active in attacking, but rather simply responded to what was being done to it. Certainly she didn't know for sure what was going on, but she was smart enough to realise that shooting first and asking questions later is not the right way. She couldn't possibly predict exactly what would happen when she revealed Gatchaman existed, but again, this was a calculated risk, because this was the fastest way of getting in contact with Rui. Sometimes risks have to be taken, because if you don't make those decisions, the status quo is that the situation continues to worsen. It's no different to choosing to fight the bad guy knowing that you might lose - this is how Hajime chooses to 'fight'.

3. Even if Berg is evil, understanding it is still important. For example, the way that it attacks by taking advantage of other people's insecurities. Knowing that is important. It also loves to talk, and brag. Again, that helps.

Only when you try to fight it, does it fight back with proportionate force. It doesn't just wipe out city blocks with tentacles, it only threw out the big stuff when Rui tried to use crowds on it.

I mean, look at what Hajime knew about Berg:

a. It's a Gatchaman. It did talk to Jou previously, and let him go unharmed, which means that at the very least it wants to ensure someone survives to carry off a message about what it's doing.
b. Paiman thinks that all of the Gatchaman combined would be insufficient to fight it.
c. The G-Crew is down to 2/6 combat capacity, and two members are unconscious and need to stabilised.
d. Sugane tried to fight, and was effortlessly beaten down by BK the moment he attempts to transform.
e. BK has not immediately attacked Hajime and Utsuru when they arrived, but decided instead to echo Utsuru's words. That means it can talk and understands what is being said.

At a minimum, talking to Katze buys time for Utsuru to heal the rest of the team. Do you really think that trying to fight it would be the smart thing to do? If so, you're out of my D&D party. :p

EDIT: Hajime doesn't know that Utsuru is doing a life force transfer. Kinda the problem with this team is all the secrets they keep from each other, but Hajime is trying to do her best.

Baddie007 said:
Poor Rui, she just got his ass whooped by Katze Berg, to add insult to injury some of her Galax users has to die since they serve as the crowds. Paipai's transformation????????Awesome but a drag since he's....or she is a pussy.

Imosa said:
What an ending. Way to not resolve anything after that fight. This, is a problem with this show.

Koybz said:
OST in less than a week. Can't wait.

DancingJack said:


It sounds to me like you... didn't read my post at all, because I mentioned that exact point so you don't have to speculate about what kind of anime I like. So I don't have any intetions to seriously react to your post either.

Mormegil said:
It's like they told Mamoru Miyano to go nuts. And he did. And it was awesome.

Hybridbloodszak said:
Mamoru Miyano's performance as Berg Katze!! WOW!!!!

Xenoi said:
So 7 episodes in and there is no more CROWDS? Or will he just get a new group of 100 or perhaps use everyone in the world?