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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This episode was totally disgusting in terms of the following,  Poor poor Kariya! Berserker there was so brutal it’s amazing in the spoiler Seriously I got totally sick at the worms! WTF in the spoiler At least there was some Sakura in the spoiler About the beginning, I find that seeing Irisviel here on that circle does kind prepare one to what may happen but it could never make anyone ready for the emotional toll it followed later. Kiritsugu here had quite a serious face and a a close up of it reveals that more. Irisviel’s face here showed a suffering side of her despite remaining not showing it too much. I know she is suffering and that is more than enough for me to see past her face that shows it not much. Inside the pain must be 10 times at least more. The more so when Kiritsugu and Irisviel here cuddle together. Maiya on the other hand does not like it from her expression here. She is concerned also it seems. On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO in the spoiler One of the other things that I was happy about is the following,  Maiya what goes around comes around. PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR SINS! That’s what I was thinking. Maiya got her death well deserved despite having a shitty past. I can sympathize with her but I could never EVER NEVER FORGIVE for the killings she did on Lancer’s master and his wife. Never I could forgive that. About Waver, one thing that is interesting is a bird’s view of the area he is around and of Saber actually participating in this. However judging from her expression here, she is doubtful of Kiritsugu. I don’t blame her after she saw what he did to Lancer and his master. Waver had some comedy from the ways he does things in the spoiler I find it nice to see Waver thinking about his Servant in the spoiler About Maiya and Irisviel. One cannot deny that Maiya has feelings for Irisviel. That is shown with her face here while seeing Irisviel here suffering so much but now showing much of it. At least nor fully blown out. 2 things can be drawn from this. A) Irisviel in the spoiler B) Kiritsugu’s concern in the spoiler Maiya’s shooting, now that is obvious in the spoiler About Saber’s reaction towards the fatality of Maiya, it is to say of the least in the spoiler About Kiritsugu and Maiya, the situation of the spoiler What comes up next? OF COURSE! Saber VS Rider! Now that shall be EPIC! LET ME SEE NOW! -_– I know, another week wait. DAMN! Oh well. |
Yumekichi11May 19, 2012 10:59 AM
| Poor Maiya. They did a good job adapting her death from what happened in the novel...it's just as tragic as I remembeedr. |
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| Kind of a dull episode. I dont understand why we are at 20 episodes in and still deeply developing characters, we already know so much about Kiritsugu that we need to know more? I did enjoy the time spent with Waver and his motivations, and Rider. But otherwise boring. |
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| Well, good to see OP song again but not so good to see Irisviel's current state: Also, great to see some Rider/Waver bonding and what they plan to do next: But the one that really takes the cake this episode is that psycho Berserker as he live up to his name. Then of course, Rider makes his move... Can't wait to see next. Inb4 death match. |
Stark700May 19, 2012 10:31 AM
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| berserker so BAMF poor maiya though :( liked her. |
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| Kiritsugu has an uncanny ability for make women close to him die. Honestly, being a Kiritsugu is suffering. As for Maiya's death... I don't care to be honest. She was just a living machine without a purpose in life. Kerry, you really don't like Saber, do you?; "my puppet". Shirou would hate you if he heard that. |
| Still I prefer Kiritsugu as main char. Shiro was to idealistic and pacifistic |
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Yumekichi11 said: It doesn't serve any tactical advantage to have Iri keep Avalon since she won't be moving anymore so she gave it to Kiritsugu. Kiritsugu will make good use of it in the battlefield.On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO. He should have never removed despite the situation and Irisviel’s talk to him. Big change here. Kerry wasn't suppose to go to Tohsaka mansion until after the kidnapping in the Emiya storehouse. But they have to speed up Kiritsugu's frantic searching afterwards I guess. But mostly everything is the same and as great as the novels. Goodbye Maiya. VMax time next episode. And more despair to go if I heard Kotomine correctly in the preview. |
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| I like the misdirection in this episode; it set up Irisviel's death thematically and symbolically and then killed off Maiya instead. |
| TO ALL IDEALISTS: BEWARE!! YOUR FOLLOWERS MAY NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR IDEALS! I don't believe this episode was about Kiritsugu in any way, it's about a clarification of Maiya and Irisivel's motivations.As Irisivel articulates and Maiya hints at, both really have no care for Kiritsugu's idealism, but care for Kiristsugu anyway because he holds the key to their dreams: Ilya's future and Maiya's purpose in life. Hakuromatsu said: I like the misdirection in this episode; it set up Irisviel's death thematically and symbolically and then killed off Maiya instead. Similarly, the series as of yet set us up to believe Irisivel and Maiya are following Kiristugu's ideals and threw us this expected bombshell. Anyway, this episode was a bunch of contradictions. (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...? (2) Kariya ingests Sakura's innocence, the very thing he fights to protect. (3) The quiet Berseker finally speaks and much more. Everything is keeping us on the edge. Loving it! |
s2012k1993May 19, 2012 10:29 AM
| I got a strange feeling that Archer may interfere at a crucial point in the next episode as the three did have a rendezvous season 1 about their purpose of the Holy Grail War and all that other good stuff. |
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| I never thought Maiya would die like this. D: |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: Still I prefer Kiritsugu as main char. Shiro was to idealistic and pacifistic Yah, Kerry is a better main character than Shirou but that wasn't what I was saying. What I was trying to say is the difference between Kerry and Shirou when they treat the servants: for those who watched or read FSN we know that Shirou always treated Saber as a human while Kiritsugu treats her as a mere tool, a puppet. But Maiya wasn't a tool too?; she only did what Kerry wanted regardless of how bad his orders were. |
s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P |
| Wow, what a set-up for the next episode... Yes, I believe that that man was definitely not Rider. They purposefully stressed the "rest until nightfall" so... well, I'm not sure. But I don't think Rider'd do that. Maiya's death was kinda meh. Well, I never really liked her before (she kissed a married man!), so that's probably why. And holy crap, Kariya's gonna fuck shit up. |
| All about drama. Saber vs Rider next. |
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sallym613 said: s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P As I can see, the stuff cut out the paragraph about how Kirei instigate Kariya to make a suuden charge on Irisviel. Or am I misremembered? |
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| It's interesting to see how much alike these two women Kiritsugu has on his side truly are. Both are supporting him with all they have but in the end it's Kiritsugu himself who they are fighting for, not his ideals. Irisviel is unable to comprehend his concepts as a homunculus, without having seen anything of the world that made her husband pursue his dream. Maya is only helping him because he is everything she can cling to. Ultimately Kiritsugu is alone on his conquest to save the world even though it doesn't appear this way with these two on his side. Speaking of Maya, her remark of being dead inside reminded me of both Kirei and Shiro, who also are "empty". While Kirei fills the emptiness within with the sadistic traits he becomes aware of, Shiro seeks to reach this goal by doing good deeds. Maya takes yet another approach by using a specific person, Kiritsugu, as a substitute for what she lacks. Interestingly, it's his hard, unapproachable side that she seems to favour instead of the emotional one he showed her before her death, though that also may only be because that's the state when he is the least vulnerable ergo the most favourable for him to win the war. On another note, just like Diarmud's curse, Iskandar's remorse when realizing that it was merely a dream, a fairytale many of his men died for, seems to be foreboding for what is yet to come... |
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| it was OK kinda boring untill the end |
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belatkuro said: I was more leaning on having it in her to keep her survival intact even though she can't be moving at all. It's all sad to see her immobilize. Yumekichi11 said: It doesn't serve any tactical advantage to have Irisviel keep Avalon since she won't be moving anymore so she gave it to Kiritsugu. Kiritsugu will make good use of it in the battlefield.On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO. He should have never removed despite the situation and Irisviel’s talk to him. Meruru said: Yes but that is only due to her attachment and Kiritsugu's saving her. If there is a drama thing out of this. OK will spoiler of what I heardYumekichi11 said: Maiya what goes around comes around. PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR SINS! That’s what I was thinking. Maiya got her death well deserved despite having a shitty past. I can sympathize with her but I could never EVER NEVER FORGIVE for the killings she did on Lancer’s master and his wife. Never I could forgive that. Might edit later. I think the one to blame is Kiritsugu, Maiya is just his tool. Poor Maiya. Maiya's past involved her being at a young age So like I mentioned Maiya's past is really what made me T_T feel for her. That's it and that's all really. sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! |
Yumekichi11May 19, 2012 1:57 PM
| I was wondering why Kiri was going around the Tousaka mansion. I forgot that Tokiomi was murdered by Kayneth. As for Kariya and Berseker, I expect to see more of them. After he was given that worm, Kariya looked pumped. I did not expect Rider to bust in and kidnap Irisviel. Maiya is dead ;-; I hope the death of Maiya doesn't cause Kiri's downfall later on in the war. He loved her so much. |
| It's sad that even Maiya knew she wasn't going to make it alive through the war. Damn that Zouken, he's one evil bastard. |
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Woebegone said: I was wondering why Kiri was going around the Tousaka mansion. I forgot that Tokiomi was murdered by Kayneth. don't you mean Kotomine? :P |
| ohohohohoho next episode shits gonna hit the fan that voice kirei's sexy voice ive missed it so much cant wait til next week anyways i really liked waver and rider's interaction this episode and we get more characterization of maiya and her views about kiritsugu |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Now that I think about it, this is the first time we hear Berserker speak (Besides his usual ARRRRTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUURRRRRR) and we witness what is behind the helmet (Well, almost. I just know that it's quite unpleasent). Not only that, but this is the first time he is not computer animated. And now the death count (flashbacks not included) has raised to 8 (Or should I include the two pilots from episode 1 that were massacred. In that case, it raised to 10). Even though I never thought much of Maiya as a character, I can at least say rest in peace. Next week: Rider vs Saber is coming and who is the series' next victim? |
s2012k1993 said: Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...? it! Think about it for a second: 1) Rider and Waver don't know their new hideout. The last thing the knew, they stayed in a castle (which character received information of it? It was in the previous episodes). 2) Rider says he has to be there all day to *materialize* since he refuses to take prana from Waver. 3) His personality from talkative and not willing to kill people meaninglessly is nowhere to be seen. Also he escapes... flying on his own. What is wrong with this picture? PikachuXD said: Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse? Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people. Heh. Not only that. |
Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! Uhhh...How should I respond to this? I can't even tell whether you're replying to my comment or s2012k1993's but okay.. Nvm. Forget what I just said Yumekichi. Might be better if you put what actually happened to Maiya in her past in spoiler tags in case. Though I guess it would only matter to those who wanted to read the LN without people spoiling any details that the anime omits. Thess said: PikachuXD said: Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse? Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people. Heh. Not only that. |
sallym613 said: Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! Uhhh...How should I respond to this? I can't even tell whether you're replying to my comment or s2012k1993's but okay.. Nvm. Forget what I just said Yumekichi. Might be better if you put what actually happened to Maiya in her past in spoiler tags in case. Though I guess it would only matter to those who wanted to read the LN without people spoiling any details that the anime omits. Thess said: PikachuXD said: Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse? Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people. Heh. Not only that. hes got maiya hairstyle |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
sallym613 said: And I understand your confusion but it was to precise that if Alexander REALLY but really wants to do something, he ain't even going to tell anyone. He will go and fight shit instead of involving his army if he wants to do it alone. That's basically it IRL Alexander. I spoke to some scholars of him.Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: If Alexander had to do something personal in the past he would tell you. Same goes for I like this girl and will do shit with her. I don't have to tell you what. Same for Rider. Anything private and personal to him......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW! That's what. s2012k1993 said: (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisviel...? Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P Hence no one knows Alexander the Great 100% Because observations could never be done of his private life since he was so private. IRL if you would film his privacy IMO he would smash you and your camera. Yep! Uhhh...How should I respond to this? I can't even tell whether you're replying to my comment or s2012k1993's but okay.. Nvm. Forget what I just said Yumekichi. |
| So at least now Kiritsugu knows that Tokiomi is dead; and since he is perceptive (they showed the two cups also) he will likely figure out it was Kirei; because of things like there was no sign of a broken entry; so he will figure out (hopefully) that it was someone who got in easily and thus the piece fall into place; that aside even tho she had like no personality it was bitter to see Maiya go like that; it was however nice to see that Kiritsugu still maintains those emotions and hasn't killed them off; like Maiya said, he just can't afford to break down yet, so he puts up a facade for the sake of the war. |
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| You know guys, dropping hints so obvious that a monkey could understand is still spoiling. OT: Maiya's death was rather....sudden....sucks for her. But now im itching to see archer back in action. |
| Somehow, when Maiya died, and the ending music started it became very sad for me ;( |
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| My impression of this episode of Fate/Zero Season 2. |
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benevolentfather said: Haha, some very not-so-subtle spoilers in here. It's so easy to figure it out when you've read the LN, isn't it?You know guys, dropping hints so obvious that a monkey could understand is still spoiling. Hollow334, I always enjoy listening to your F/Z episode reviews. |
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Yumekichi11 said: And I understand your confusion but it was to precise that if Alexander REALLY but really wants to do something, he ain't even going to tell anyone. He will go and fight shit instead of involving his army if he wants to do it alone. That's basically it IRL Alexander. I spoke to some scholars of him. Uh ok. RL Alexander =/= Nasuverse Alexander. Or is King Arthur a little girl and Gilgamesh some bishounen guido? Also, which scholars are you even quoting? benevolentfather said: You know guys, dropping hints so obvious that a monkey could understand is still spoiling. You mean obvious anvil sized hints that were put in the episodes? Rider: I WILL RECOVER AT NIGHT. So I'll stay in this place to be able to materialize. Iri: /gets kidnapped before night falls. Come on. Unless you think the viewers are unobservant idiots, that means they are mean to suspect something isn't right. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 2:39 PM
| @ Thess: What is a..bishounen guido? o.O Also, in addition to what Thess says, Rider specifically said that he wouldnt be able to recover completely until nighttime. He might be very honest, open and eager to battle, but he's not completely reckless. He knows that if he really wants to fight Saber and show that he's right and she's wrong, he would definitely make sure he's on top shape before doing that. Especially if he's going against her with the possibility of her using Excalibur. And kidnapping Irisviel before healing completely isn't exactly the best thing to do, especially since doing that will guarantee a clash with Saber. |
Thess said: bishounen guido Total oxymoron ^_^ |
| And kidnapping Irisviel just doesn't seem like the sort of thing that Iskander would do. In some ways he has almost fatherly attitudes towards both Waiver and Saber. He wants to teach Saber a lesson, but he wants to do it by beating her on the battlefield. I'm curious to see which of the remaining heroic spirits or masters is still playing "let's you and him fight". |
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Thess said: Yeah I know but Fiction VS Reality is do much more fun when clearly IRL elements are present. That being said, I am not quoting them but in general speak of the theme of Alexander the Great's Lifestyle and what of it. Still vague even in 2012. There are no empirical evidence that say much of his privacy but I will stop there. Derailing thread is never good.Yumekichi11 said: And I understand your confusion but it was to precise that if Alexander REALLY but really wants to do something, he ain't even going to tell anyone. He will go and fight shit instead of involving his army if he wants to do it alone. That's basically it IRL Alexander. I spoke to some scholars of him. Uh ok. RL Alexander =/= Nasuverse Alexander. Or is King Arthur a little girl and Gilgamesh some bishounen guido? Also, which scholars are you even quoting? |
| Maya's background as a child soldier wasn't surprising, and the lack of development dampens the effects of her death, whatever was intended. After a two episode exposition on Kiritsugu, I expected more than a few minutes on Maiya's connection to him. What was interesting was contrasting Maiya's views on Kiritsugu with that of Irisviel's, and perhaps more interestingly, with that of Shirou later on. Rider's regret is similar to that of Saber's, and at the same time very different, so their clash should be interesting. |
MissileSoupMay 19, 2012 4:55 PM
sallym613 said: Also, in addition to what Thess says, Rider specifically said that he wouldnt be able to recover completely until nighttime. He might be very honest, open and eager to battle, but he's not completely reckless. He knows that if he really wants to fight Saber and show that he's right and she's wrong, he would definitely make sure he's on top shape before doing that. Especially if he's going against her with the possibility of her using Excalibur. And kidnapping Irisviel before healing completely isn't exactly the best thing to do, especially since doing that will guarantee a clash with Saber. He didn't even acknolwedge Saber who he claimed to fight. |
| So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? |
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FeatherNinja said: So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? She is his mistress and tool. Also important difference of the novel. In this bit, Kiritsugu was trying to kill Waver, using Saber as a bait to lure out the Master and Servant. She realized his intention and wanted to avoid it. He wasn't after Tokiomi Tohsaka. He followed Saber to snipe Waver in his cowardly fashion. I guess they are either trying to speed things up or make him look better than his novel characterization. That's why they cut how his father hugged him in concern and he immediately shot him knowing how much his daddy loves him in episode 18 for the same reason. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 4:59 PM
Thess said: sallym613 said: Also, in addition to what Thess says, Rider specifically said that he wouldnt be able to recover completely until nighttime. He might be very honest, open and eager to battle, but he's not completely reckless. He knows that if he really wants to fight Saber and show that he's right and she's wrong, he would definitely make sure he's on top shape before doing that. Especially if he's going against her with the possibility of her using Excalibur. And kidnapping Irisviel before healing completely isn't exactly the best thing to do, especially since doing that will guarantee a clash with Saber. He didn't even acknolwedge Saber who he claimed to fight. It'll be explained in next episode. Trust me. All things will be cleared. |
Thess said: FeatherNinja said: So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? She is his mistress and tool. Also important difference of the novel. In this bit, Kiritsugu was trying to kill Waver, using Saber as a bait to lure out the Master and Servant. She realized his intention and wanted to avoid it. He wasn't after Tokiomi Tohsaka. He followed Saber to snipe Waver in his cowardly fashion. Well, if sniping an enemy is cowardly than U.S. Marine snipers must be cowardly as well, according to that logic. I'm going to have to disagree, on that. Anyway, I fail to see how killing Waver is any worse than killing Tokiomi. They both entered the Grail War, knowing full well that they'd be endangering their lives, a point that Waver vocally accepted in this very episode. |
LunarMoonMay 19, 2012 5:26 PM
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LunarMoon said: Well, if sniping an enemy is cowardly than U.S. Marine snipers must be cowardly as well, according to that logic. I'm going to have to disagree, on that. Anyway, I fail to see how killing Waver is any worse than killing Tokiomi. They both entered the Grail War, knowing full well that they'd be endangering their lives, a point that Waver vocally accepted in this very episode. Saber strongly disagrees. She feels more cautious and hostile against her "ally" than her enemies. She's right. It's a battle of magi. Waver signed up for that: MAGIC. He's using guns. He's a coward who uses underhanded methods. That's supposed to be his work profile. Had he been successful, kiss the world goodbye in twenty years. Code_Alchemy said: He didn't even acknolwedge Saber who he claimed to fight. Heh. I know. I'm wondering how could people not notice. |
ThessMay 19, 2012 5:35 PM
| Yeah I'd say sniping is pretty cowardly in any situation. Killing someone without any chance for them to retaliate from a safe and sound distance. That being that literally stabbing someone in the back isn't much better... but if somehow Tousaka survived that he could have atleast had a chance to retaliate. Why use U.S soldiers in particular... you think U.S marines are the only people who can use a sniper rifle? |
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Thess said: FeatherNinja said: So...what exactly is going on between Maiya and Kiritsugu? Is she Kiritsugu's mistress? She is his mistress and tool. Also important difference of the novel. In this bit, Kiritsugu was trying to kill Waver, using Saber as a bait to lure out the Master and Servant. She realized his intention and wanted to avoid it. He wasn't after Tokiomi Tohsaka. He followed Saber to snipe Waver in his cowardly fashion. I guess they are either trying to speed things up or make him look better than his novel characterization. That's why they cut how his father hugged him in concern and he immediately shot him knowing how much his daddy loves him in episode 18 for the same reason. If they were trying to make Kiritsugu look more likable with that scene I think they'd have had him kill his father instantly as he did in the novel, rather than stab him in the belly first, which hug or no hug definitely didn't serve to endear Kiritsugu to me any more than the way it happened in the Novel. And do we actually know that Maiya was his mistress? I don't recall reading anything in the LN to confirm that (remind me if you do it's quite possible I've forgotten) and the kiss early in the show (which when I saw it initially did make me think she was his mistress) never actually led to anything and was explained in the novel as Maiya trying to distract him from unnecessary thoughts and nothing more. I mean I think it's possible and perhaps even probable that they did get intimate prior to Kiritsugu's relationship with Irisviel but from that point onwards I don't think he'd have done anything with her (aside from the kiss he didn't resist). |
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