Fate/Zero 2nd Season Episode 2 Discussion

Omniknight said:
That's how you do Excalibur.
Studio Deen take note. The melody was so beautiful during the charge-up.

insan3soldiern said:
I like how they played a remixed version of "Sword of Promised Victory" from Fate/stay when Saber first activated Excalibur. To be honest, though, I think I prefer the original version of the track from the VN.

My favorite parts, though, was Gil and Rider's conversation about Saber towards the end. It's cool seeing Gil's growing fascination for her and how it eventually ties into Fate/stay. The dialogue between the two was really well written as well.

Also about Kotomine I'm thinking he used his healing magic on Kariya. Maybe he is going to try to use him to kill Tokiomi? Or at least use him as a distraction. I kind of figure Kotomine will eventually kill him with his own hands. In any case, he has proved to be one of the most compelling characters of the series, in my view.

Also, I like how Lancer absolutely did not hesitate at all in destroying his lance. Some people probably thought it happened too easily, but that's exactly what I would of expected him to do given his honor and circumstances. Unfortunately, he's probably screwed next episode (or the next after that) since he's apparently going to be facing Saber.

insan3soldiern said:

My favorite parts, though, was Gil and Rider's conversation about Saber towards the end. It's cool seeing Gil's growing fascination for her and how it eventually ties into Fate/stay. The dialogue between the two was really well written as well.

one2the said:
Great episode. My god, this show is so great! I really wish that ufotable would remake Fate/Stay Night now, especially if it included the Heaven's Feel Arc...

Cratex said:

That, and I liked how Shirou had the Cool to pause and light up in the middle of all that, as if he were simply sitting on a quiet dock and enjoying a cool night breeze.

the_trainman said:


There's no Shiro here, you mean Kiritsugu, right?

LostHanyou said:
LN Kariya: Internal strife, emotionally conflicted character, slowly degrades as time goes on. Sympathetic and easily my favorite character, by far.

Anime Kariya: TOKOIMI! DIE!!!

zeroyuki92 said:

It's hard to transfer the narrative and monologues to the anime with limited time. There's always the novel for that.

Anyway, epic episode as expected. I'm eager to see Gen Urobutchi being Gen.

LostHanyou said:
LN Kariya: Internal strife, emotionally conflicted character, slowly degrades as time goes on. Sympathetic and easily my favorite character, by far.

Anime Kariya: TOKOIMI! DIE!!!

Mockman said:


Oh, and I liked Sabre's screaming of her sword's name. I wondered how the seiyuu would pull that off. While she started slipping on the first syllable, she nailed it on the rest of the name.

That's the main reason Kirei healed him. He finds joy in the suffer of others.

shadowtsunami said:
I don't even know what Sakura Con is lol. But I watched UTW rip and it was indeed awesome. I swear they really worked on the CGI this time around, and made the animation just as fluid with the art being crisper. I love the new op, and ed so much lol. This is going to be the anime to watch this season. And for OVAs we got Unicorn baby!

Arqentum said:


Disappointing =

I hoped that Kirei will chop off Kariya's arm and obtain berserker as his servant.

iwilllolyou said:
Okay guys, i'm not quite sure about this.. but what did kirei actually do to kariya??

i mean.. it looked like he was healing him.. but at the same time it also looked like the thing he did with the tree in one of the earlier episodes.. :-/

Leon-Gun said:
Spirit Healing. If you watch Stay Night the first thing you ever learn about Kirei is that the only magic he's really good with is "Spirit Healing". It's not exactly the most "kind" way of healing someone although it's really effective. Just so you know, what he did to the tree wasn't magic per-se, it seemed like some form of physical skil. Again, I'm using Stay Night info here, but I'm fairly certain he says he learned martial arts during his days in training and the Tohsaka's style of martial arts combine use of Chi with magecraft. I'm assumming he just used one of their moves to break the tree with pure force.

Bacun said:
Some questions I have... Rider doesn't recognize Saber as a King since she shouldered her people's burdens instead of living for herself as a "true" king should. However, Archer thinks differently from Rider, but in what way? We can see at the end of the episode Archer starts to obsess/love Saber, but for what reasons?

TheRealBoyd said:
It's also pointed out/implied in the light novels that Gilgamesh likes people that are self-destructive and/or have no sense of self, because people like that remind him of Enkidu, his best (and only) friend from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The light novel had a flashback to Enkidu's death after his conversation with Rider at the end of this episode that would've made this clear, but it was cut from the episode. Except the last few lines from it remained (his last few lines after he fades away at the end of this episode), though they make no sense without knowing about the flashback, so I'm not sure why ufotable left them in.

HikaruIzumi said:
I still can't help thinking that the quality of opening animation is WAY below its sound. It could be because I find Kalafina's songs truly epic. I feel like they didn't catch the epicness of the song with the animation (like the bike part, too long and weird), some parts are truly amazing and couldn't be better but, generally, it still isn't on par with the song. But that could be just me.

Amamzing episode. I'm happy Caster didn't get totally non-karmic death like Ryuunosuke, he sounded kind of desperate/sad/shocked, as if he regretted what he did. Could someone who knows Japanese tell me what his last words were? The subs I watched translated his very last word as "I" but in other anime I saw, it was translated mostly differently. I'm wondering about EXACT meaning of what he said, not something edited to make sense. Thanks.

Subby said:


Agreed that the opening doesn't flow as well with the song, I still like it though. Caster's final words can be interpreted a couple of ways like "What have I..", "Just what, did I.." but the meaning is the same. I think he felt remorse with how he went astray after Jeanne's death. In the novel it describes that scene as a happy celebration where they were victorious and are crowning King Charles in a cathedral. He remembered the joy and regretted forgetting it.