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Mar 2, 2012 10:23 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Meeting.

The lady doesn't want to accept the patched guy, though.

Talk of eye patched guy vs. the lady working besides the little queen and Millia vs. her sister. The little queen doesn't want argument anymore. Party for peace.

Seems like Fam is related to loyal family?

The people from their own country wants Millia's help to kill her own sister! Then she got called by eye patched guy and said that her sister wants to talk to her. She still cannot kill her sister. She became a betrayer to solve the world's problem. Then Millia was sent home.

The foreigner killed eye patched guy and Millia's sister covered him! Then she got the power and saw the vision.

ED is intrumental ver. of Starboard, Sorrows of Life.
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Mar 2, 2012 6:24 PM
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Seems Fam really is related to him.
Wonder how the fact will be leaked and affect the plot.

Also, does anyone here actually feel bad for Lilliana's death.
I actually said about time.:P
Mar 2, 2012 6:36 PM
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Luscinia is going to go super crazy now considering what started what he was doing before was the death of Augusta.
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I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.
Mar 2, 2012 7:19 PM
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Well Millia now has the Exile. Course Luscinia is the only one who seems to know the Turan Mysteria.
Mar 3, 2012 12:37 AM
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Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


yeah same here...

btw, how many episodes do we have left? 3 right?
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Mar 3, 2012 1:51 AM
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RinM said:
Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


yeah same here...

btw, how many episodes do we have left? 3 right?


Think it's going to have 24 episodes.
Mar 3, 2012 3:23 AM
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Leviathonlx said:
RinM said:
Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


yeah same here...

btw, how many episodes do we have left? 3 right?


Think it's going to have 24 episodes.


noup it is 21. says so on the anime description

which means 3 more

although this show was not perfect and all, it still went by really fastl
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Mar 3, 2012 10:33 AM
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RinM said:
Leviathonlx said:
RinM said:
Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


yeah same here...

btw, how many episodes do we have left? 3 right?


Think it's going to have 24 episodes.


noup it is 21. says so on the anime description

which means 3 more

although this show was not perfect and all, it still went by really fastl


It says 21 since that's how many episodes it has had so far if you count next week.
Mar 4, 2012 12:53 AM

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Leviathonlx said:
RinM said:
Leviathonlx said:
RinM said:
Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


yeah same here...

btw, how many episodes do we have left? 3 right?


Think it's going to have 24 episodes.


noup it is 21. says so on the anime description

which means 3 more

although this show was not perfect and all, it still went by really fastl


It says 21 since that's how many episodes it has had so far if you count next week.


But isn't the right number the one that states how many episodes there will be?
For example I'm watching Aquarion Evol and it says 9/26. I would say that's the number of episodes the season will have.

And this is episode 18 and the two filer episodes do not count
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is there still no sub of this episode....damn they are slow
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RinM said:


And this is episode 18 and the two filer episodes do not count


+ the special (not really an animated ep.) that aired before ep.1 does not count (so 24 total from official site, and 21 total for actual anime). I mentioned about it in Post #1 of this, which I crossed out.
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Mar 6, 2012 12:44 AM

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Once again, an aurora foretells a calamity. It's really unfortunate that Gonzo saves a character's development for right before they die. First Sorūsh, then Liliana. Next episode is titled Queening square, referring to the pawn's promotion to a piece with the queen's abilities once it reaches the opponent's side.

Without a preview at the end of the episode, we can speculate two things from the title. One obvious interpretation is that Millia might be crowned successor to the throne of Turan. Alternatively, it might mean that previously minor characters ("pawns") will become major players in the rest of the series, which could suggest we'll see the characters from the first series start playing more significant roles. (Still waiting on Sophia's return...)
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Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


This.
Lilliana's death was kind of expected, Millia had to be the queen after all.
And Dian, she has the reasons (and emotions) to do such a thing, but one would think that her brain would be the one making the decisions...it was actually a very stupid thing to do. I wonder what will happen to her.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that the whole "too many people for the world to support” is a very ridiculous reason?...I mean, it makes sense, but still seems very plain and simple to me. I hope they give us some more insight.
Only 3 more episodes to go!
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Wyvern-Ventrue said:
Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.


This.
Lilliana's death was kind of expected, Millia had to be the queen after all.
And Dian, she has the reasons (and emotions) to do such a thing, but one would think that her brain would be the one making the decisions...it was actually a very stupid thing to do. I wonder what will happen to her.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that the whole "too many people for the world to support” is a very ridiculous reason?...I mean, it makes sense, but still seems very plain and simple to me. I hope they give us some more insight.
Only 3 more episodes to go!

I agree with the "too many people" thing,
The whole society is only using a fraction of earth, with most of that fraction being rather fruitful land
We have never really been shown that their is a shortage of supplies (besides military),
so the too many people comes off as bull ****
Mar 7, 2012 5:09 PM
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Erzaa said:
I don't feel bad for Lilliana dying.. I feel bad for Millia after seeing her sister die. I did not expect Dian to do that. I completely understand why she would do it but.. it stills leaves me with a feeling of disgust for her.

I'm fairly sure Dian was aiming for Luscinia, but Lilliana jumped in the way - he says something to her about it while she was dying. Not that Dian would have been unhappy to shoot Lilliana I think, but I think she had considered her real target carefully.
Mar 8, 2012 9:59 PM

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'Really, Dian ?'

... was my though at the end there. Good thing the 'fighting' ended but, It's only a truce and nothing is solved. I'm also not swallowing the whole excuse about the world being too small to justify killing people. I mean... Really ? I doubt it.

I'm kind of happy Lilliana died. Was about time for the bitch to die and it's not like she could keep on living like nothing hapenned after what she did. She's a traitor, the End. Wasn't expecting Dian to be the one doing that tho but, she showed us in the previous episode... She wasn't going to hold back lol. So...

Now that Lillianna is dead... Millia is becoming like her and like Alvis too!? Good. At least someone with a brain got the control and she's not going to be falling for Luscinina cute face and start doing whatever... I hope lol

I'm starting to get more and more disapointed with the plot. Can't compare with the previous Last Exile but, it's not like it's bad either. I hope they fix it by the end of the show ! =/

Sophia next episode ? Would be awesome. The title is making me believe she's going to be there but... who knows.
Mar 10, 2012 5:36 AM

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Well done Dyan, now go for the rest, that's what they get for not giving you a dress for the ball






Mar 12, 2012 6:22 AM

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Clive said:
Well done Dyan, now go for the rest, that's what they get for not giving you a dress for the ball

B-b-b-b-but we had Tatiana! Tatiana! Who f*ing cares about Dian?

More to the point, I'm not surprised it happened like that, but Dian would not be my first pick for a Glacian shooter. Even though they kinda sorta built up for it a bit in the last episode, it seems a bit more out of character for her than it should.
Mar 12, 2012 4:17 PM

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Even if there is a shortage (which we didn't see so far, and without all that military stuff, it would even be easier), this does not give Luscinia the right to murder everyone not from Ades (and even those that are, if he feels like). The people of Turan returned more then 100 years ago, thats more then 3 generations even today, more like 4-5, given the living standards etc. Sadri is portrayed as really old, and he is "merely" 60. How many generations have to pass before they are no longer "foreign"? Does it take 600 years, as 600 years ago the Exiles left? So no one who ever left is allowed to return?

Even better, Luscinia is from the Guild - the very organisation charged with everything Exile.

The Guild is responsible for people leaving Earth in the first place, and they are responsible for what happend on Prester, it might not have come this far if they did their job. And now someone from the Guild has turned 180° and is denying them from coming back, which would conclude the plan devised by none other then the Guild, and to top it off, apparently for nothing, as there is no shortage (and don't forget the power of the Exiles. They have at least 4 Exiles, and each one was intended to support a world like Prester. And if they would focus on agriculture instead of the military. Which reminds me, the Exiles Luscinia so despises are welcome as weapons of war. Thats fine, but actually flying to the stars to let Earth regenerate and coming back later like originally intended, nope.

As the story presents itself to us currently, i'd say Luscinia simply feels superior because "they" stayed on Earth (though he had no say in this, unless he is 600+ years old, which means he wasted enough resources for 10-20 people and should, especially given his official point of view, make place for a new generation). He probably to lead, or at least, protect, this great country, and is using the story about the shortage, the fear that it might become like 600 years ago when they had to invent the Exiles etc., as excuse to conquer everyone.

Maybe the next episodes show something that reinforces Luscinias version, but even then there are better ways then slaughtering everyone. He didn't even try as far as we know, he simply decided "if the population grows too much, there will be shortage. Lets slay several million people to delay that some years..we can always do it again then if needed"
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I was so relieved when I saw Orang on the other side of the table, I was worried his flagship, the Jagannath might have sunk on the Grand Lake last episode. Whew!

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He didn't even try as far as we know, he simply decided "if the population grows too much, there will be shortage. Lets slay several million people to delay that some years..we can always do it again then if needed"


Sounds like somewhat of "the culling" huh? XD Or resource management. I agree though, it's still pure and simple genocide.

What is it that Luscinia have to do still? And where's the rest of the Guild back here on Earth anyway, i.e. if there are any left?
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Yeah the whole there's too much people reasoning is stupid. The people leaving there already had a life even the one's who returned so obviously they could live. Now what if more come? Well then if you think earth can't hold more deny any new entries and start getting ready for people to leave if the earth can't hold them.
I guess the reasoning comes from people leaving earth because earth is not enough anymore so if they come back then the whole point of leaving because null but still start killing people that came back many years ago is stupid. Who are you to decide who deserves to live or die? Just stop more from coming by making them go back instead of killing people that already lived there.
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Ugh, that whole meeting was basically children yelling at each other. Somehow Fam basically saying "let's all get along" was so inspiring that it caused everyone to agree to unconditional peace? Right, because wars end that easily. And the resource management excuse for genocide is kind of weird, seeing as they never really made it seem like there was a lack of resources earlier in the series. If there is a lack of resources, it seems like maybe limiting the birthrate China-style is preferable to killing people...
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Damn that ending :| now her sister is actually dead... well this is quite sad development but well this sure had to happen for various reason. Well I wonder what's next!
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Lilliana died. I didn't care at all. I was actually happy. So basically Luscinia's killing everyone not of their planet because of scarce resources. And Lilliana shared his ideals and voluntarily wiped out Glacies. Right. This is just stupid.
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5/5

Episode that surprised me, I have not suffered from boredom, attention was high.
Plot that does not falter, but it still leaves understand his intent, intriguing! * _ *
Interesting narrative, his good conduct.
Drawings and scenarios of a good standard too love the saga of Last Exile primarily for the character design of Murata and for the screenplay that has something that ...
I can not wait to see the next episode! : D
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While this episode turned the melodramatic up to 11, I did notice a nice connection with the first series. Lilliana’s speech to Millia about sacrifices of rulers harkened back to Sophia to me. Marias had said to her “Love all your subjects, not just one man,” and Sophia managed to overcome that and do what must be done to destroy Delphine and the Guild. Of course, little did she realize that had already been accomplished by Alex…

The assassination could be seen from a mile away. Didn’t really strike a cord with me, but I’m interested in how Millia reacts to it. She is one of the few characters I have come to enjoy and understand. Luscinia is another story though…. His ideals are just seeming more and more fascist by the second. I truly believe he thinks himself superior to the people who left on the Exiles.
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This episode was so stupid, what kind of retarded world they live in that they would still allow Liliana and the Lusciana guy walk around yet alone still have Liliana be a queen. Are you fucking kidding... this plot is getting stupid. I am glad that Lilliana died, I mean can anyone in that gathering honestly be that surprised someone killed her? She killed multiple nations along with that other guy, who wouldn't want her dead lol?

Also what burden did Lilianna have to bear? I don't get what she is talking about. Liliana willingly chose to kill a fuckload of people with the exile. She DIDN'T have to do it nor was held against her will to do it, therefore there was no burden for her to bear. She is just another psychotic bitch like Lusciana. These characters in this show are really stupid, its like there motivations make no sense and then the other characters come to make excuses for them...
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Exactly Cejara. This show is getting really stupid. Let's all just get along even though one side has been committing genocide and wanting to "rule" the world though fer of Exile is so dumb.

At least Lilliana died, so that's a positive.
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Would've been interesting if Milia actually went through with the stabbing. Of course it's too "serious" for this show and her character, she wasn't ready. I liked the visual parallel between Liliana being shielded by Augusta and then Liliana shielding another person herself. I wonder what's gonna happen to Diana and Emma.

I'm increasingly convinced that too many attempts to bring up environmental issues in anime result in the same bad guys doing the same things. Gundam had some similar undertones, for example. Or Megazone 23.

She DIDN'T have to do it nor was held against her will to do it, therefore there was no burden for her to bear.

Technically she's just a "key", isn't she? Luscinia could've just barely kept her alive in prison to use whenever he felt fit. Using Exile is one-sided, the consent of the "key" is not needed. Just utter the words. Of course Liliana could've done something to not let Luscinia do this, though.

My only regret is that Miyuki Sawashiro didn't get a more active role :p
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I actually glad when Liliana died lol, her ideal is just dumb, let's hope Millia doesn't become her as part of her "woke" moment. The characters try to be complex but their complex is too dumb to watch, Last Exile, especially season 2 has great world building but dumb characterization.

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The Versailles conference begins and is suitably tense. Seeing them all kowtow to this loli seemed especially absurd, but it's anime...

During the argument Millia finally stands up to her older sister's BS and calls her out for supporting Hitler, I mean Lucinia, and finally the loli starts crying because she's like 9. And Fam stands up and says everyone should listen to The Augusta, and that's good enough for them to all start applauding and saying yea peace is a good idea.
All she did was say one sentence and for some reason everyone credits Fam with bringing peace. You're kidding me.

Then the old guy wants to dance with Fam, she resembles a princess I guess, I mean he seems to deserve the credit for the peace more than Fam, since he agreed to the truce in the first place, which Hitler (Lucinia that is) would not have agreed to.
The kidnapping of Millia should have been more serious than it was, and I did not agree with how Lilliana manipulated Millia....

But a shocking ending comes when the Russian chick, who has hated Lucinia and made no secret of her rage; assassinates Lilliana during the signing. But she was jumping in front of that fucking scumbag Lucinia.... just like Mr H this guy has a knack for surviving everything doesn't he.
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