| Depends on the source material and Science Saru's execution. The pacing and suspense is Death Note-esque, and that's very promising to me. If they play their cards right, it'll be the most popular battle shounen at least until Kagurabachi comes along. The one thing it absolutely must NOT do is for Okarun to be as whiny as Tanjiro. |
| Hardly, usually good things don't get too popular. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
Reply to sadoldman
@Haelent Bah. Life includes sexuality, abuse and crude jokes. I love the fact that the anime doubled down on this rather than homogenized it. If art isn't making you feel uncomfortable from time to time, you're doing it wrong.
sadoldman said: @Haelent Bah. Life includes sexuality, abuse and crude jokes. I love the fact that the anime doubled down on this rather than homogenized it. If art isn't making you feel uncomfortable from time to time, you're doing it wrong. PREACH this is the kind of shit i've been saying for YEARS thats the beauty of art FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION... pushing boundries, taking risks, and intentioally shocking people... not "let me not do this because it might bother someone" nowadays every fucking thing is being sanitized to try to make it appealing to "everyone" which has never been, will never be and frankly... SHOULD NEVER BE possible |
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| I don't think so, they said the same thing about Kaijuu N°8. |
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| I sure hope it does. Then we can have lots of fanart of turbo granny. |
| It'll be popular within the anime community but I can't see it being as mainstream as demon slayer or jujutsu kaisen. Edit: Kojima tweeted about Dandadan!!! |
vColeOct 5, 10:58 AM
Reply to Haelent
@EcchiGodMamster @sadoldman fellas, let's not delude ourselves here. There's little purpose to this stuff aside from appealing to dudes who wanna goon to a cartoon high-schooler, lol. That abduction scene could have been handled a lot of ways that didn't require sexualizing her, but that was the choice the mangaka made, and it was exactly that: a choice that was meant to appeal to a demographic. I think saying things are being "sanitized" just for the sake of "appeal" requires ignoring a fuck-ton of cultural context as to why some of those tropes or plot devices are becoming less common. That's a whole different conversation though. If this show was trying to make some broader statement through including that scene, I would feel differently, but it's pretty clearly meant for shock value and cheap suspense. Momo mostly goes back to normal once she awakens her powers, and it's never brought up again, which further cheapens it. She even says something like "I believe in aliens now, I got kidnapped after all" with a blank expression. That's not all that happened, girl...
That being said, I understand and can appreciate art that takes risks and pushes boundaries, but the poster asked "do you think this anime will get popular like other mainstream shounen." The reality is that it most likely won't because of the reasons I mentioned in my other comment; people will be turned away by that being something they see in the first 20 minutes. Brushing those criticisms off because of "artistic freedom" or saying people who are unwilling to engage with it are "just offended", or whatever other buzzword, is disingenuous, especially when some of those people (including the ones in my life) have been victims of sexual assault themselves or are close with people who were. Just like you or I can decide to engage with it because we're willing to accept that as part of the greater work along with everything that makes it incredible, other people can decide not to because it isn't worth it for the other things it dredges up. That will happen for quite a lot of people. Not everyone is as desensitized to this stuff as your average anime nerd/otaku.
Just to reiterate, I do hope this gets popular because it's an incredible series. Not sure it'll happen though.
That being said, I understand and can appreciate art that takes risks and pushes boundaries, but the poster asked "do you think this anime will get popular like other mainstream shounen." The reality is that it most likely won't because of the reasons I mentioned in my other comment; people will be turned away by that being something they see in the first 20 minutes. Brushing those criticisms off because of "artistic freedom" or saying people who are unwilling to engage with it are "just offended", or whatever other buzzword, is disingenuous, especially when some of those people (including the ones in my life) have been victims of sexual assault themselves or are close with people who were. Just like you or I can decide to engage with it because we're willing to accept that as part of the greater work along with everything that makes it incredible, other people can decide not to because it isn't worth it for the other things it dredges up. That will happen for quite a lot of people. Not everyone is as desensitized to this stuff as your average anime nerd/otaku.
Just to reiterate, I do hope this gets popular because it's an incredible series. Not sure it'll happen though.
Haelent said: @EcchiGodMamster @sadoldman fellas, let's not delude ourselves here. There's little purpose to this stuff aside from appealing to dudes who wanna goon to a cartoon high-schooler, lol. That abduction scene could have been handled a lot of ways that didn't require sexualizing her, but that was the choice the mangaka made, and it was exactly that: a choice that was meant to appeal to a demographic. I think saying things are being "sanitized" just for the sake of "appeal" requires ignoring a fuck-ton of cultural context as to why some of those tropes or plot devices are becoming less common. That's a whole different conversation though. If this show was trying to make some broader statement through including that scene, I would feel differently, but it's pretty clearly meant for shock value and cheap suspense. Momo mostly goes back to normal once she awakens her powers, and it's never brought up again, which further cheapens it. She even says something like "I believe in aliens now, I got kidnapped after all" with a blank expression. That's not all that happened, girl... this is nothing more than you crying about what makes you uncomfortable in fiction, it doesn't matter why its there, its there because the creator wanted it to be and thats what matters at the end of the day and no... people write manga BECAUSE THEY ENJOY WRITING MANGA people draw BECAUSE THEY ENJOY DRAWING saying "its just there to appeal to a demographic" is completely dehumanizing to the author, editors, whatever... as if the instant someone becomes a professional, ALL their actions are based on what may or may not sell as if he himself isn't a horny male like the rest of us Haelent said: That being said, I understand and can appreciate art that takes risks and pushes boundaries, but the poster asked "do you think this anime will get popular like other mainstream shounen." The reality is that it most likely won't because of the reasons I mentioned in my other comment; people will be turned away by that being something they see in the first 20 minutes. Brushing those criticisms off because of "artistic freedom" or saying people who are unwilling to engage with it are "just offended", or whatever other buzzword, is disingenuous, especially when some of those people (including the ones in my life) have been victims of sexual assault themselves or are close with people who were. Just like you or I can decide to engage with it because we're willing to accept that as part of the greater work along with everything that makes it incredible, other people can decide not to because it isn't worth it for the other things it dredges up. That will happen for quite a lot of people. Not everyone is as desensitized to this stuff as your average anime nerd/otaku if we based what we did and didnt' show in fiction on what may or may not have happened to someone, we'd be getting rid of ANYTHING that could be seen as "bad" remove all killing, child neglect, sexual explotatation of any kind, etc because someone out there knows what its like irl... well guess what? IT'S FICTION and its your choice whether or not to engage with it, end of story I'm personally glad if people are turned away, that just means less people to destroy the medium of manga/anime |
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| @EcchiGodMamster Exactly. Good art pushes the boundaries. It's up to the artist to decide what those boundaries are. @Haelent No delusion on my part. And please don't make assumptions about my motives. |
| probably gonna do bit better than csm ig |
  "When the time is yours, the future is waiting, The person you become, and the people you're creating." |
| i hope not, normies ruin everything. |
| Sexy vampire, i'm falling in love with you |
| It has some Adult Themes, some Romance and Sex Jokes. Which might not land to average watchers, they want Mindfuck fights that don't contribute to the story. So, this MIGHT* not be AS* popular as those 2 you mentioned. But IT IS the next big hit!! |
| WISHED I COULD ALSO GET TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD FULL OF MAGIC And DUNGEONS, please take me there too if you could ( ◜‿◝ )♡ |
Reply to Connort1998
@EcchiGodMamster lets not act like these mangas are published in different magazines based on the demographics they are targetting to sell to
Connort1998 said: @EcchiGodMamster lets not act like these mangas are published in different magazines based on the demographics they are targetting to sell to thats still no reason to dehumanize the authors/creators and act like they chose an artistic profession simply to get cucked by execs and not with the "intention" of expressing themselves its probably kinda like the music industry... most people go in "expecting" to get to make what they want |
EcchiGodMamsterOct 5, 9:32 PM
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| I dont need it to be popular. But those who are dandadan monday enjoyer from day 1 would know what to expect. |
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| anime only but I really doubt it. For me it will reach almost or the same level of populaity as Chainsaw man part 1 (which is pretty high), but basically means it's a tier below the likes of demon slayer and jujutsu. |
| sic mundus |
Reply to Juanchoman
anime only but I really doubt it. For me it will reach almost or the same level of populaity as Chainsaw man part 1 (which is pretty high), but basically means it's a tier below the likes of demon slayer and jujutsu.
Juanchoman said: it's a tier below the likes of demon slayer and jujutsu. to be fair, those two reached their initial heights of popularity during the pandemic when there was a huge influx of audiences who started consuming more of the anime medium. Replicating their successes would be pretty difficult. |
| I hope it doesn't get that kind of fans tbh, they ruin everything with unnecessary hype and hate. It's in weird territory as random stuff happens all the time so it will not be getting that popular. |
| 2023 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| These days, being overly popular means that a show will get a ton of haters who will hate the show simply because it is very popular, because hating popular shows is considered a sign of good taste. |
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Reply to Flick_on
Dandadan is discount Chainsaw Man and that's stretching
It's doubtful that will even have 70% the Impact
Normally you can gauge the popularity of anime based on it's momentum. Dandadan is on the lower end on the scale. Having a lots of youtuber shill for it, doesn't reliably transfer to appeal value
It's doubtful that will even have 70% the Impact
Normally you can gauge the popularity of anime based on it's momentum. Dandadan is on the lower end on the scale. Having a lots of youtuber shill for it, doesn't reliably transfer to appeal value
| @Flick_on Dandadan is nothing like Chainsaw man other than both being Jump+ series. |
| I think this show is pretty niche (which is good) might I say on a steins gate level of niche? No? |
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| Impossible, Kimetsu is one-in-a-decade miracle. |
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| My guess is that this will be completely forgotten about in less than 6 months |
Reply to Flick_on
Dandadan is discount Chainsaw Man and that's stretching
It's doubtful that will even have 70% the Impact
Normally you can gauge the popularity of anime based on it's momentum. Dandadan is on the lower end on the scale. Having a lots of youtuber shill for it, doesn't reliably transfer to appeal value
It's doubtful that will even have 70% the Impact
Normally you can gauge the popularity of anime based on it's momentum. Dandadan is on the lower end on the scale. Having a lots of youtuber shill for it, doesn't reliably transfer to appeal value
| @Flick_on Well you would be surprised to know how I see it the other way around; the general idea, direction, and art of the Chainsaw Man series is rubbish compared to what I see with Dandadan. I would even go as far as saying its insulting to compare DDD to CSM. Really I'd sooner see Dandadan draw comparisons to Frieren or older shows like FLCL than all these on the nose, cringe fantasy, battle shonen series mentioned here. And to all the "Power" gooners out there let me just say she's without a doubt a "Zero Two" ripoff. Yes thats right, you are essentially gooning to Zero Two. |
LordKirkisOct 10, 9:51 AM
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@Flick_on Well you would be surprised to know how I see it the other way around; the general idea, direction, and art of the Chainsaw Man series is rubbish compared to what I see with Dandadan. I would even go as far as saying its insulting to compare DDD to CSM.
Really I'd sooner see Dandadan draw comparisons to Frieren or older shows like FLCL than all these on the nose, cringe fantasy, battle shonen series mentioned here.
And to all the "Power" gooners out there let me just say she's without a doubt a "Zero Two" ripoff. Yes thats right, you are essentially gooning to Zero Two.
Really I'd sooner see Dandadan draw comparisons to Frieren or older shows like FLCL than all these on the nose, cringe fantasy, battle shonen series mentioned here.
And to all the "Power" gooners out there let me just say she's without a doubt a "Zero Two" ripoff. Yes thats right, you are essentially gooning to Zero Two.
| @LordKirkis Dandadan is the same (and actually worse) than those other battle shonen series that you called "cringe", Frieren is also any other battle shonen, so it would make sense that you compare them. Dandadan definitely looks better than Chainsaw Man in both manga art and animation. Power and Zero Two are nothing alike, they both have pink hair and horns and that's where their similarity ends. And I don't know what would be the problem to do whatever "gooning" means. |
| Nah it’s a bit too wacky for that. But it will get very popular and I bet you’ll see it everywhere in akiba and Ikebukuro |
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Akanekino said: @Marinate1016 well I prefer it over Demon Slayer and others a lot, it has pretty much everything in anime, but mainly already hints at romance which I love and other animes mentioned miss it. It's more interesting and better than those other animes, maybe it's just more my type, but it just feels like better quality anime with much more to offer. Yea but you’re not a casual anime fan. |
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Ionliosite2 said: @LordKirkis Dandadan is the same (and actually worse) than those other battle shonen series that you called "cringe", Frieren is also any other battle shonen, so it would make sense that you compare them. Dandadan definitely looks better than Chainsaw Man in both manga art and animation. Power and Zero Two are nothing alike, they both have pink hair and horns and that's where their similarity ends. And I don't know what would be the problem to do whatever "gooning" means. Whatever it is you’re smoking its warping your perception of reality. Frieren isn’t a whatever show, it isn’t a Battle Shonen either. Also that you found characters in “Make Heroine ga Oosugiru!” offensive enough that it ruined the watch for you is kind of sad because that is a seriously high quality, fun show.. You know I’m of the mind that watching anime is no different than sitting down to watch something like Bugs Bunny or Tom & Jerry. You can put the stick down, and relax as you watch shows like this; they are painstakingly made to be fun, nothing more. Thats my suggestion. I can’t understand why else you would find a show like Make Heroine offensive, but then again you brushed off Frieren as whatever and labeled it a battle shonen.. thats a pretty big red flag in itself I suppose. Good grief.. 4.64 meanscore for 300+ anime. Can I even convince someone like you? Thats a pretty miserable way to approach enjoying anime.. |
LordKirkisOct 10, 1:35 PM
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Ionliosite2 said:
@LordKirkis Dandadan is the same (and actually worse) than those other battle shonen series that you called "cringe", Frieren is also any other battle shonen, so it would make sense that you compare them. Dandadan definitely looks better than Chainsaw Man in both manga art and animation.
Power and Zero Two are nothing alike, they both have pink hair and horns and that's where their similarity ends. And I don't know what would be the problem to do whatever "gooning" means.
@LordKirkis Dandadan is the same (and actually worse) than those other battle shonen series that you called "cringe", Frieren is also any other battle shonen, so it would make sense that you compare them. Dandadan definitely looks better than Chainsaw Man in both manga art and animation.
Power and Zero Two are nothing alike, they both have pink hair and horns and that's where their similarity ends. And I don't know what would be the problem to do whatever "gooning" means.
Whatever it is you’re smoking its warping your perception of reality. Frieren isn’t a whatever show, it isn’t a Battle Shonen either. Also that you found characters in “Make Heroine ga Oosugiru!” offensive enough that it ruined the watch for you is kind of sad because that is a seriously high quality, fun show.. You know I’m of the mind that watching anime is no different than sitting down to watch something like Bugs Bunny or Tom & Jerry. You can put the stick down, and relax as you watch shows like this; they are painstakingly made to be fun, nothing more. Thats my suggestion. I can’t understand why else you would find a show like Make Heroine offensive, but then again you brushed off Frieren as whatever and labeled it a battle shonen.. thats a pretty big red flag in itself I suppose. Good grief..
4.64 meanscore for 300+ anime. Can I even convince someone like you? Thats a pretty miserable way to approach enjoying anime..
| @LordKirkis Literally half of Frieren anime was being exactly like a battle shonen, Aura arc and Mage Exam arc are the most obvious examples. About Make Heroine, it's less that I found the characters annoying or offensive and more that none of them were compelling, the only one being "annoying" would be the MC and he wasn't annoying he was painfully bland. Well, yeah, I also like having fun with comedy anime but something like Make Heroine wasn't funny in the slightest. |
Ionliosite2 said: @LordKirkis Literally half of Frieren anime was being exactly like a battle shonen, Aura arc and Mage Exam arc are the most obvious examples. About Make Heroine, it's less that I found the characters annoying or offensive and more that none of them were compelling, the only one being "annoying" would be the MC and he wasn't annoying he was painfully bland. Well, yeah, I also like having fun with comedy anime but something like Make Heroine wasn't funny in the slightest. Frieren would be a battle shonen to a person if they wished to be as reductive as possible. Its battles are never the focus of the journey, but rather a consequence of the journey. If you watch Frieren and you cant figure out what it’s trying to express to you that would be a separate issue for the individual to resolve. Make No Heroine also offers more than the petty issues you might have with it. I don’t mean to be offensive, I am simply giving my perspective on the show. It’s an excellent animation in its own right, and certainly well above average. |
LordKirkisOct 10, 3:15 PM
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Ionliosite2 said:
@LordKirkis Literally half of Frieren anime was being exactly like a battle shonen, Aura arc and Mage Exam arc are the most obvious examples. About Make Heroine, it's less that I found the characters annoying or offensive and more that none of them were compelling, the only one being "annoying" would be the MC and he wasn't annoying he was painfully bland. Well, yeah, I also like having fun with comedy anime but something like Make Heroine wasn't funny in the slightest.
@LordKirkis Literally half of Frieren anime was being exactly like a battle shonen, Aura arc and Mage Exam arc are the most obvious examples. About Make Heroine, it's less that I found the characters annoying or offensive and more that none of them were compelling, the only one being "annoying" would be the MC and he wasn't annoying he was painfully bland. Well, yeah, I also like having fun with comedy anime but something like Make Heroine wasn't funny in the slightest.
Frieren would be a battle shonen to a person if they wished to be as reductive as possible. Its battles are never the focus of the journey, but rather a consequence of the journey. If you watch Frieren and you cant figure out what it’s trying to express to you that would be a separate issue for the individual to resolve.
Make No Heroine also offers more than the petty issues you might have with it. I don’t mean to be offensive, I am simply giving my perspective on the show. It’s an excellent animation in its own right, and certainly well above average.
| @LordKirkis I'm more baffled by people using "battle shounen" label as a derogative and criticising point lol. And the point how Frieren S1's concluding arc "apparently" holistically represents the entire show. Sounds more nitpicking rather than actual criticism. |
BaseLion said: @LordKirkis I'm more baffled by people using "battle shounen" label as a derogative and criticising point lol. And the point how Frieren S1's concluding arc "apparently" holistically represents the entire show. Sounds more nitpicking rather than actual criticism. Thats really crazy that you think that.. because you know I think the last arc represents Flamme’s vision, her dream fully realized, and begrudgingly carried out by her Master Serie..all of which has nothing to do with Frieren and her personal journey.. you know Frieren the main character of the show who we’re to attempt to understand. You following? Did you forget that this is Frieren’s story? If you don’t believe the last arc of Frieren represents the show, please ignore the passive aggressive portion of my post above and continue below to the other portion that’s also kind of passive aggressive.. And yes.. I left Battle Shonen’s behind since DBZ. I’ve no further reason to care about shows who’s central idea is having characters kick each others ass while explaining down to the T why they are doing so.. that sort of thing gets old pretty fast don’t you think? |
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