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Sep 8, 2023 10:22 AM
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Another episode examining the interactions between humans and AI.

However, I did find the outdoor competition to be fun to see. Emotions were high again thogh. I'm sure Hikaru deals with this everyday as part of his work.
Sep 8, 2023 11:28 AM
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While the first part is simple in contrast to the more complex second part, both stories have the same message: each person have different standard regarding what's acceptable in an AI-based, robotic-driven world.
Sep 8, 2023 1:13 PM
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First half of the episode is so relevant today with all the tourists crying online about anime featuring topics or themes they don’t like lately. As usual this series manages to frame very real conversations in an interesting way.

Oyamada , nor the creator of any anime, LN or manga has a responsibility to raise your kids. That’s on the parents. If you don’t think the content of a show is appropriate, don’t let them watch it. Going to an author’s house and threatening them is insane.

I doubt the kids who attacked Oyamada even watch anime yet they’re more violent. Good on him for not giving up or budging on his work.

The second half of the episode annoyed me tbh which is a testament to how well written it was. It was clear from the start that the administration of that school just didn’t want a humanoid teacher, which is funny considering how well integrated AI and robots and humanoids are into this series’ society. They’re ok using tech for almost every other task but education. Interesting. You should want the best education for your child full stop.

Seeing them pick with him over the most minute details was just hard to see. Like arriving to class a few seconds late, celebrating a student’s accomplishments with drinks etc. he made the right decision in the end to change schools. They didn’t deserve him.

I was a little confused on how perm kun in the classroom was ok, but a teacher wasn’t? I guess this took place earlier in the timeline before Perm being in classrooms was typical tho.

Solid ep as usual. Really need to cook up a video on this show to put more people on it
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Sep 8, 2023 4:06 PM
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Did the guys go to the director personally? But it wasn't just complaining on Twitter, or will it no longer exist in the future? the question is.






I am very funny. 🤡
Sep 8, 2023 4:26 PM
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Another very good episode!



Still contemporary... and contemporary as well in the future?
Mene, mene, tekel, parsin
Sep 8, 2023 4:40 PM
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Almost every episode takes you to the line of madness.
Sep 8, 2023 5:30 PM
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The Nagai Go meter was off the charts during the first half of the episode!
@Jonas-K
The director explicitly invited the PTA-like association and whatever other opponents he has to visit him at home so they just took the offer and went to see him directly.
@Marinate1016
I'm pretty sure that the school's staff started antagonizing the teacher because he started acting too ''humanely'' instead of abiding by the robotic teaching methods required by the school, not because he was a Humanoid.
I'm not sure I completely understand your last question: what makes you think the teacher was not allowed in the classroom?
Sep 8, 2023 5:32 PM
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Avvenirista said:
The Nagai Go meter was off the charts during the first half of the episode!
@Jonas-K
The director explicitly invited the PTA-like association and whatever other opponents he has to visit him at home so they just took the offer and went to see him directly.
@Marinate1016
I'm pretty sure that the school's staff started antagonizing the teacher because he started acting too ''humanely'' instead of abiding by the robotic teaching methods required by the school, not because he was a Humanoid.
I'm not sure I completely understand your last question: what makes you think the teacher was not allowed in the classroom?

They didn’t want to hire him because he was a humanoid and they wanted teachers teaching humans “with curriculum made by humans for humans taught by humans” they stared at him when he’d come in the teacher lounge, gave him excessive amounts of work and did not like him getting drinks for the kids after one of the students won an award.

The harassment became such that he literally quit. You did watch the episode, right? lol this is basic stuff

Not sure what’s confusing to you but I assume English isn’t your first language.
Sep 8, 2023 5:46 PM
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Reply to Avvenirista
The Nagai Go meter was off the charts during the first half of the episode!
@Jonas-K
The director explicitly invited the PTA-like association and whatever other opponents he has to visit him at home so they just took the offer and went to see him directly.
@Marinate1016
I'm pretty sure that the school's staff started antagonizing the teacher because he started acting too ''humanely'' instead of abiding by the robotic teaching methods required by the school, not because he was a Humanoid.
I'm not sure I completely understand your last question: what makes you think the teacher was not allowed in the classroom?
@Avvenirista I just made a joke haha, because usually people who like to problematize everything are just brave behind the keyboard or when they're together with their own crowd, so when I saw that the director said to go after him personally and they really did, I found it unusual and interesting. ^-^
Sep 8, 2023 8:26 PM

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  • This episode consists of chapter 72 and 81 of the source material.
  • In Japan, academic abilities of students are scaled by the value of standard deviation. Even if you enter a high-level school, the distribution is Gaussian again. You can't escape from the bell curve wherever you go. Like this, you are on somewhere on the curve in any society, how matter the level of ethics goes higher. This means you can't escape from the people like the director in any society regardless of you like him or not.
  • Actually, some people don't like too strict and complex concept. For example, I think 17 targets of SDGs are too much. I can only handle with 3 to 5 targets since I am a person of "1, 2, 3, many".
  • As for the second part, I heard that many elementary schools don't label the ranks in their athletic meeting or running races not to sadden low-rank children. And everyone gets double circle mark (circle means 'good' score in Japan) for his calligraphy as well. This is a wrong idea of equality (for me and probably for the author). I think we should treat people equaly after knowing the difference of their properties.
  • The queer school denies the control of AI for education and eventually is enforcing stricter management than machine's. It's ironical. It's not important who does the things. It's important what is done.

Sep 8, 2023 9:16 PM

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First half was quite interesting, reflecting a bit on our current state of the world in a way with how media discourse is sometimes. Second half, not as much, but still interesting. Very thought provoking concepts, just with middling execution.
Sep 8, 2023 9:49 PM
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Reply to Marinate1016
Avvenirista said:
The Nagai Go meter was off the charts during the first half of the episode!
@Jonas-K
The director explicitly invited the PTA-like association and whatever other opponents he has to visit him at home so they just took the offer and went to see him directly.
@Marinate1016
I'm pretty sure that the school's staff started antagonizing the teacher because he started acting too ''humanely'' instead of abiding by the robotic teaching methods required by the school, not because he was a Humanoid.
I'm not sure I completely understand your last question: what makes you think the teacher was not allowed in the classroom?

They didn’t want to hire him because he was a humanoid and they wanted teachers teaching humans “with curriculum made by humans for humans taught by humans” they stared at him when he’d come in the teacher lounge, gave him excessive amounts of work and did not like him getting drinks for the kids after one of the students won an award.

The harassment became such that he literally quit. You did watch the episode, right? lol this is basic stuff

Not sure what’s confusing to you but I assume English isn’t your first language.
@Marinate1016
Marinate1016 said:

They didn’t want to hire him because he was a humanoid and they wanted teachers teaching humans “with curriculum made by humans for humans taught by humans” they stared at him when he’d come in the teacher lounge, gave him excessive amounts of work and did not like him getting drinks for the kids after one of the students won an award.

The harassment became such that he literally quit. You did watch the episode, right? lol this is basic stuff


You completely misunderstood the story and made up stuff that wasn't there. The dude was having trouble following the extreme strict rules ALL teachers had to follow so the school wouldnt get flack from the parents, who are always watching and spoiled by the school, like always seeing their kids on the top of the pyramids and so on. The teachers are all kept on a short leach because of that, and always get their marching order on how to act in a way not to offend the parents by AI and the school manual. It had NOTHING to do with the teacher being a humanoid.
Sep 8, 2023 9:49 PM

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MellowGeekStudio said:
@Marinate1016
Marinate1016 said:

They didn’t want to hire him because he was a humanoid and they wanted teachers teaching humans “with curriculum made by humans for humans taught by humans” they stared at him when he’d come in the teacher lounge, gave him excessive amounts of work and did not like him getting drinks for the kids after one of the students won an award.

The harassment became such that he literally quit. You did watch the episode, right? lol this is basic stuff


You completely misunderstood the story and made up stuff that wasn't there. The dude was having trouble following the extreme strict rules ALL teachers had to follow so the school wouldn

I didn’t make up shit. Don’t accuse me of anything.
Sep 8, 2023 9:56 PM
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Best episode so far. Very dystopian and realistic view on the way society is marching towards. The power of AI serving the sensibilities of people who are always trying to not be offended or offend others surely is turning humans into mindless robotic drones. Like the Dark Bushido anime creator described, when we expand the lines of what is considered evil, slowly but surely the simple act of being human is going to be demonized and outlawed.
Brilliant current year cationary tale.
Sep 8, 2023 9:57 PM
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MellowGeekStudio said:
@Marinate1016
Marinate1016 said:

They didn’t want to hire him because he was a humanoid and they wanted teachers teaching humans “with curriculum made by humans for humans taught by humans” they stared at him when he’d come in the teacher lounge, gave him excessive amounts of work and did not like him getting drinks for the kids after one of the students won an award.

The harassment became such that he literally quit. You did watch the episode, right? lol this is basic stuff


You completely misunderstood the story and made up stuff that wasn't there. The dude was having trouble following the extreme strict rules ALL teachers had to follow so the school wouldn

I didn’t make up shit. Don’t accuse me of anything.
@Marinate1016
Marinate1016 said:
I didn’t make up shit. Don’t accuse me of anything.

Did I offend you? Gome, gome... ;)
Sep 8, 2023 10:02 PM

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MellowGeekStudio said:
@Marinate1016
Marinate1016 said:
I didn’t make up shit. Don’t accuse me of anything.

Did I offend you? Gome, gome... ;)

Nope you just got blocked
Sep 9, 2023 2:48 AM

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Avvenirista said:
The Nagai Go meter was off the charts during the first half of the episode!
@Jonas-K
The director explicitly invited the PTA-like association and whatever other opponents he has to visit him at home so they just took the offer and went to see him directly.
@Marinate1016
I'm pretty sure that the school's staff started antagonizing the teacher because he started acting too ''humanely'' instead of abiding by the robotic teaching methods required by the school, not because he was a Humanoid.
I'm not sure I completely understand your last question: what makes you think the teacher was not allowed in the classroom?

They didn’t want to hire him because he was a humanoid and they wanted teachers teaching humans “with curriculum made by humans for humans taught by humans” they stared at him when he’d come in the teacher lounge, gave him excessive amounts of work and did not like him getting drinks for the kids after one of the students won an award.

The harassment became such that he literally quit. You did watch the episode, right? lol this is basic stuff

Not sure what’s confusing to you but I assume English isn’t your first language.
@Marinate1016
You completely misunderstood the story, incredible.
The private school clearly wanted to hire the aspiring teacher, otherwise he wouldn't moved past the off-screen pre-employment screening and the job interview that we all saw.
The school's teaching policies weren't against Humanoids, they were against using AI and robots in the classroom during lessons, plus a lot of other rigid educational methods which are the actual meat of the story.
The other teachers antagonized him because the school created an unhealthy, almost robotic working environment where rocking the boat, even in a positive manner (as seen in his humble celebration of the calligraphy club's victory), would be seen as unscrupulous behavior; ''follow the school's manual and shut up'' is what they were implicitly saying to him.
The story was a play on how a school calling itself an institute of human teaching collectively acted more artificially than a Humanoid.
So yeah, very basic stuff for sure, just not for you.

Not sure what's confusing for me? Everything about your last question, I'd say.
What even makes you think that the teacher isn't allowed in the classroom of his new independent school? The Perm-kun we saw at the end of the episode was obviously tested and proved for school life or else he wouldn't be there.
Sep 9, 2023 4:36 AM

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We gotta anime-Jack Thompson moral guardian shit going on.
Seems the Showa-style delinquent anime the humanoid was single-hadedly making was an outlet for his own beliefs about society, and when he gets an opportunity to defend someone weak from some petty thugs, he does as his main character would.
The irony is the staffed-by humans school wants its teachers to act so rigidly, it's a job robots programmed to replicate tasks with precision are better suited for.

Novels I have read/am reading pending approval: since November 10 2022
Sep 9, 2023 7:03 AM
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The second story reminded me of a news rapport i read about a South Korean teacher who committed suicide after being harassed by staff and parents.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66655572
Sep 9, 2023 8:51 AM

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Avvenirista said:
@Marinate1016
You completely misunderstood the story, incredible.
The private school clearly wanted to hire the aspiring teacher, otherwise he wouldn't moved past the off-screen pre-employment screening and the job interview that we all saw.
The school's teaching policies weren't against Humanoids, they were against using AI and robots in the classroom during lessons, plus a lot of other rigid educational methods which are the actual meat of the story.
The other teachers antagonized him because the school created an unhealthy, almost robotic working environment where rocking the boat, even in a positive manner (as seen in his humble celebration of the calligraphy club's victory), would be seen as unscrupulous behavior; ''follow the school's manual and shut up'' is what they were implicitly saying to him.
The story was a play on how a school calling itself an institute of human teaching collectively acted more artificially than a Humanoid.
So yeah, very basic stuff for sure, just not for you.

Not sure what's confusing for me? Everything about your last question, I'd say.
What even makes you think that the teacher isn't allowed in the classroom of his new independent school? The Perm-kun we saw at the end of the episode was obviously tested and proved for school life or else he wouldn't be there.

Not reading all that lil bro. You’re not changing my comment
Sep 9, 2023 10:52 AM

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This episode briefly went into and touched upon a topic which was also mentioned in passing in episode one, and one which I have never seen nor expected to see thoughts on articulated in quite that manner in anime, but aligns with long-held views I've harbored on the matter. That being on one of the issues with self-driving, or sometimes referred to as "driverless" cars/vehicles in general.

It's something which in the real world was proposed and theorized about a long time ago, but in recent years there have been some increasing reports about testing and experimentation with it. I really sincerely hope the process gets sabotaged, undermined, delayed, or just outright fought back against or restricted in some fashion as much as possible. Mostly because I actually like and enjoy the manual tactile sensations and physical experience of actually driving and the certain amount of freedom that grants a person.

So then, inevitably, if I ever raised this topic or if I hear it being discussed between other people, there are predictably always a bunch of ignorant and naive people who would pop up to say "Oh, it's just another choice and option! Why do you care? If someone wants the self-driving car they can get that and you can have the traditional individually-driven car and that way everyone has a choice and can choose what they want. It's a good option for people to have!" and things to that effect. Sorry, but people with this sentiment are, as I said, naive to the max and living in la-la land. Because it's not how humans apparently operate and runs fundamentally contrary to the countless examples of actual human behavior we have throughout history. Human behavior doesn't suggest that something new and inventive is created just to give some people who want to make use of it another option and it's all nice and voluntary. Yeah, right.

If it's found, by financed-studies funded by the government and/or certain interest groups and organizations which have an interest in pushing it, to be statistically safer, cheaper, more efficient, etc., then you know people will gradually yet slowly but surely not have that option. They will have the option taken away from them over time like a frog with the temperature increasing in a boiling pot of water being acclimated slowly to desensitize it. Everyone who disagrees and resists this will be attacked and demonized and persecuted, first academically, culturally, and socially, then legally, until the choice is formally removed and they're deprived of it. All in an effort by a certain faction of people to homogenize society in a direction they want to see and eradicate difference. The "manual" option would be slowly removed piecemeal under the guise of health and ensuring low car insurance premiums, it would be deemed "inefficient", "obsolete" and associated with troublesome and "problematic" dissident elements. And the new would be forcibly imposed uniformly and forced down everyone's throats.

That's why we cannot have nice things. Wouldn't it be great if it could just be invented and implemented as an actual genuine option for those who want or need it? But envisioning a society like that with legitimate institutional and broad societal acceptance and facilitation of different modes of existence (co-existence) in daily living goes beyond the realm of speculative fiction and seems more like pure unbridled fantasy.
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Avvenirista said:
@Marinate1016
You completely misunderstood the story, incredible.
The private school clearly wanted to hire the aspiring teacher, otherwise he wouldn't moved past the off-screen pre-employment screening and the job interview that we all saw.
The school's teaching policies weren't against Humanoids, they were against using AI and robots in the classroom during lessons, plus a lot of other rigid educational methods which are the actual meat of the story.
The other teachers antagonized him because the school created an unhealthy, almost robotic working environment where rocking the boat, even in a positive manner (as seen in his humble celebration of the calligraphy club's victory), would be seen as unscrupulous behavior; ''follow the school's manual and shut up'' is what they were implicitly saying to him.
The story was a play on how a school calling itself an institute of human teaching collectively acted more artificially than a Humanoid.
So yeah, very basic stuff for sure, just not for you.

Not sure what's confusing for me? Everything about your last question, I'd say.
What even makes you think that the teacher isn't allowed in the classroom of his new independent school? The Perm-kun we saw at the end of the episode was obviously tested and proved for school life or else he wouldn't be there.

Not reading all that lil bro. You’re not changing my comment
@Marinate1016
That's your comeback? For shame, I've no words.
If you can't even handle civil discussions and debates then you should stop coming to this forum and go start a blog somewhere else.
Sep 9, 2023 11:07 AM

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Avvenirista said:
@Marinate1016
That's your comeback? For shame, I've no words.
If you can't even handle civil discussions and debates then you should stop coming to this forum and go start a blog somewhere else.

JESUS CHRIST STOP MENTIONING ME. I write massive essays on every seasonal and people like you only engage to start issues. No one ever says what they agree with, just what they disagree with. It’s annoying as hell. Blocked.
Sep 9, 2023 11:12 AM

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@Marinate1016
That's your comeback? For shame, I've no words.
If you can't even handle civil discussions and debates then you should stop coming to this forum and go start a blog somewhere else.

JESUS CHRIST STOP MENTIONING ME. I write massive essays on every seasonal and people like you only engage to start issues. No one ever says what they agree with, just what they disagree with. It’s annoying as hell. Blocked.
@Marinate1016
Stop replying to me, he says in a goddamn forum discussion topic.
What do you want? Posters to unconditionally join your circle jerk and never disagree with whatever you post? Get real and get lost.
Sep 9, 2023 11:13 AM

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Avvenirista said:
@Marinate1016
Stop replying to me, he says in a goddamn forum discussion topic.
What do you want? Posters to unconditionally join your circle jerk and never disagree with whatever you post? Get real and get lost.

As I said, stop mentioning me. Any further mentioning will be reported as harassment. I have warned you.
Sep 9, 2023 11:17 AM

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Avvenirista said:
@Marinate1016
Stop replying to me, he says in a goddamn forum discussion topic.
What do you want? Posters to unconditionally join your circle jerk and never disagree with whatever you post? Get real and get lost.

As I said, stop mentioning me. Any further mentioning will be reported as harassment. I have warned you.
@Marinate1016
Huh? I thought you had already blocked me when you made the previous post?
And please go on, report me or whatever for replying to you in a forum topic, though I'm not really sure that counts as harassment in any possible way.
Sep 9, 2023 9:20 PM

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First story was pretty funny in how similar it is to how some people actually act. Instead of parenting his kid the guy tried to make a public spectacle. I'm not sure that Humanoid director / animator's point made complete sense but I get the general idea of what he meant having at least some truth to it that you can go too far and just ruin things for people from unreasonable expectations placed on them and not giving them room to grow as people.

Second part damn, that school is pretty awful for teachers and students alike.

kuroneko99 said:
As for the second part, I heard that many elementary schools don't label the ranks in their athletic meeting or running races not to sadden low-rank children. And everyone gets double circle mark (circle means 'good' score in Japan) for his calligraphy as well. This is a wrong idea of equality (for me and probably for the author). I think we should treat people equaly after knowing the difference of their properties.

I don't really see how not labelling ranks is a problem. Athletics in schools are meant to be for fun and exercise. They arent Olympic athletes just kids playing around lol
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As for the second part, I heard that many elementary schools don't label the ranks in their athletic meeting or running races not to sadden low-rank children. And everyone gets double circle mark (circle means 'good' score in Japan) for his calligraphy as well. This is a wrong idea of equality (for me and probably for the author). I think we should treat people equaly after knowing the difference of their properties.
I don't really see how not labelling ranks is a problem. Athletics in schools are meant to be for fun and exercise. They arent Olympic athletes just kids playing around lol
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hmm, you must be a fast runner. Incidentally, also gambling motor-sport uses handicap system in Japan. (All the bikes are the same. Actually, the system is working very well.)
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hmm, you must be a fast runner. Incidentally, also gambling motor-sport uses handicap system in Japan. (All the bikes are the same. Actually, the system is working very well.)

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I suppose I could be or have been in the past. I never competed though so I don't know. I was always among last in mile long runs though so Im better at sprinting. I am only personally familiar with handicaps only in things like playing Go (been ages since i played) so I could see why they would adopt handicaps into other things being already something they have been familiarized with. Those handicaps in Go actually make it so people of totally different skill levels are able to play together which i think is pretty cool actually because it allows you to learn from someone better than you while still having some chance at beating them.
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Damn why the parents blaming the Anime, you should control what your kid can or cannot watch in the first place.


Bruh the second part about the school was disgusting. WTF is all those bullshit rule.


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This week's episode was super interesting! I really liked it, especially the second part. While the second part made me worried for the future, it was still a good one and it made one (at least me) though things... The first part was also very interesting one.
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Another great episode that has me thinking a lot. Let's get into this one.

The first half: While the show is doing a good job of showing a bunch of Kevins and Karens being triggered over an anime. I really think we need to be mindful of the content our kids are watching instead of getting mad at the creators off the bat. With that said, as a creator you have freedom but you really need to understand how to use it as I felt Oyamda was a too edgy for his own good and doesn't have much self awareness. Being an ass doesn't make you more human and I do think he could give a more balance perspective in his show than just making it edgy bullshit. So he isn't fully innocent here as I feel he thinks being edgy is the only way to make sure things don't become too boring and "bad". The comparison to driving a car was a good one but bro you're legit just making a one dimensional character who is barely an anti-hero. I still like this part but do feel him not pressing charges was kind of a weak move as you write all this edgy shit but you let someone nearly trying to hurt you off? I don't like his mindset.

Second half:

Okay this one hits close to home to me as I'm trying to become a teacher right now. I got a few classes left before I get my Masters in Education. Now some of this stuff may go over everyone's heads but the teacher in question here was not fully innocent. You should be human to the kids and don't rely on AI to do everything but he made a mistake of giving those drinks to that kid as he didn't run that by anyone. Giving kids rewards is okay as long as the admin and principal are in the loop. I did this before at one of the schools I work at to celebrate a kid who was behind in English and Reading. You have to get that approval from the start. With all that said, this school is one that a lot of teachers will be quitting every year due to how they run things. When you are this strict no one is going to want to work with you. The shit they gave this guy grieve over was dumb too. I'll conclude with this. When the teacher meets Sudo, I like how he tells just to find a different school as meds is never the answer. I love how human Sudo is as a character not always thinking meds is the answer to every struggle in life. This was much stronger than the first part but that is due to what I'm doing right now.

Edit: Just to be quick. I feel anyone who thinks this is just discrimination are just reading from the surface level. There is a little mroe going on and I'm shocked no one can't see how what the teacher did with getting those drinks was not good. Let's be civil but can we stop saying, "Did you watch the episode bro? It's so obvious." That's just gaslighting.
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I still like this part but do feel him not pressing charges was kind of a weak move as you write all this edgy shit but you let someone nearly trying to hurt you off? I don't like his mindset.


Obviously all series/films in general are up to some degree of interpretation and personal worldview and experience coloring an individual viewer's perspective, and doubly so for a show like this, but to me the message being conveyed in terms of how his character was supposed to be portrayed is clear. Oyamada is someone who has a view of other people and humanity in general as not one dictated or explained by a clear cut, black and white absolute form of morality like good vs. evil, good and bad, etc. He sees all as some shade of grey and that this range or spectrum and variation is both natural and fine/acceptable to have and continue to allow existing. He doesn't feel a need to support purges or crusades over it in pursuit of an ideal type of human that can be universally accepted and agreed upon to be called "good" if everyone is grey to begin with. That is the light in which he views the main character of his anime for which he clearly draws personal inspiration from (and maybe it's also a form of wish fulfillment that he can act out in the anime through the character in ways he couldn't as easily or safely in real life, or in some cases wouldn't necessarily even want to). That is the light in which he views himself. And that is the light no doubt in which he views his assailants, since he says as much, along with other random people.

If you take this into account, then it's not really surprising that seemingly different attitudes could be reconciled within one person. Attitudes like creating and pouring love and personal inspiration into a violent aggressive character in his story while actually doing something which could be deemed merciful, charitable, and "soft" (you seem to be implying this is a naive/pushover-type action which contradicts his brash tough persona) to someone in real life like even letting those who committed assault and maybe even attempted murder against him off the hook legally. They're just different manifestations of the same general worldview. The children of the media watchdog for concerned parents' organization said as much in a quick scene when they said, and I'm paraphrasing, that what made Oyamada's main character from the anime appealing and interesting to them was that he was a rude guy who did what he wanted and could be ruthless, but could also do shockingly kind things sometimes so he wasn't a one-dimensional character who could be easily lumped into the category of a hero or villain. Hence, classic anti-hero.

But as I said, Oyamada seems to have a stance which views much, or maybe even the entirety, of the rest of the real world, including himself and everyone else in it, in the same way. Which is why he's willing to give even a guy who physically attacked him on the street, who the average person would obviously reflexively view as a scumbag and all-around bad guy for that fact alone, and you imply you do, a second chance or the benefit of the doubt and let it slide. Because he doesn't even view himself as "good" in the first place. So he doesn't see himself as some innocent victim and the attacker as some evildoer. To do so would undermine his own worldview and self-conception.
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I still like this part but do feel him not pressing charges was kind of a weak move as you write all this edgy shit but you let someone nearly trying to hurt you off? I don't like his mindset.


Obviously all series/films in general are up to some degree of interpretation and personal worldview and experience coloring an individual viewer's perspective, and doubly so for a show like this, but to me the message being conveyed in terms of how his character was supposed to be portrayed is clear. Oyamada is someone who has a view of other people and humanity in general as not one dictated or explained by a clear cut, black and white absolute form of morality like good vs. evil, good and bad, etc. He sees all as some shade of grey and that this range or spectrum and variation is both natural and fine/acceptable to have and continue to allow existing. He doesn't feel a need to support purges or crusades over it in pursuit of an ideal type of human that can be universally accepted and agreed upon to be called "good" if everyone is grey to begin with. That is the light in which he views the main character of his anime for which he clearly draws personal inspiration from (and maybe it's also a form of wish fulfillment that he can act out in the anime through the character in ways he couldn't as easily or safely in real life, or in some cases wouldn't necessarily even want to). That is the light in which he views himself. And that is the light no doubt in which he views his assailants, since he says as much, along with other random people.

If you take this into account, then it's not really surprising that seemingly different attitudes could be reconciled within one person. Attitudes like creating and pouring love and personal inspiration into a violent aggressive character in his story while actually doing something which could be deemed merciful, charitable, and "soft" (you seem to be implying this is a naive/pushover-type action which contradicts his brash tough persona) to someone in real life like even letting those who committed assault and maybe even attempted murder against him off the hook legally. They're just different manifestations of the same general worldview. The children of the media watchdog for concerned parents' organization said as much in a quick scene when they said, and I'm paraphrasing, that what made Oyamada's main character from the anime appealing and interesting to them was that he was a rude guy who did what he wanted and could be ruthless, but could also do shockingly kind things sometimes so he wasn't a one-dimensional character who could be easily lumped into the category of a hero or villain. Hence, classic anti-hero.

But as I said, Oyamada seems to have a stance which views much, or maybe even the entirety, of the rest of the real world, including himself and everyone else in it, in the same way. Which is why he's willing to give even a guy who physically attacked him on the street, who the average person would obviously reflexively view as a scumbag and all-around bad guy for that fact alone, and you imply you do, a second chance or the benefit of the doubt and let it slide. Because he doesn't even view himself as "good" in the first place. So he doesn't see himself as some innocent victim and the attacker as some evildoer. To do so would undermine his own worldview and self-conception.
@WatchTillTandava I'm talking about the character Oyamda has created in his anime not the character himself. I should have been clear but my main issue with his action there is that he looks like a punk/pussy. You do all this edgy shit and don't apologize for it but when push comes to shove you go," Well he was small time. It's not worth it." Nah where I come from we call dudes like that not only soft but busters. It's just doesn't feel to let someone go who was quickly trying to fuck you up. It just seems like he can be edgy and cool with a tablet and drawing pen in his hand but when shit gets real he is the first one to look for a way out. I just feel while he isn't one dimensional he lacks a little bit of self awareness and common sense in my opinion. Great comment though and I love how you explained your perspective.
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Not everything humans do is humanized, even when we don't have any technology at all. Ironic.
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I’m not gonna lie, the false equality that actually doesn't exist for humans is actually crazy to me and it’s wild that they’re trying to lush that narrative and persecute the Humainoid for acting like an actual human.

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For somebody like Taguchi, something like parental obligations, either learnt through anime or some other form of entertainment, will be carried over to the children, which can create diverse opinions. This is pretty much anchored true in real life, where in this case, the fictional Nasu Oyamada created a story like his own Shadow Bushido work, the freedom of expression that makes and/or breaks people, where petitions raised won't ever do anything to change the landscape of his passion. It's easy to see how entertainment can be good or bad, but that it depends on the person.

Education for the masses, in an AI-centric world, can be both good and bad, to spur relationships between students and teachers, but bring it too far and everyone will be following one or the other extreme. Such is the case of a newbie coming in for his first work, and everything must be done to the very succinct with the parents watching their kids with the help of technology. Real interactions play a part in the childrens' well-being, but for a school that focuses much on technology, the human element is lost, and to be honest, he would rather quit from the pressuring job, and that's where he landed in the school where the caregiver Perm has much time together with regular kids.

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The first part perfectly described Twitter (now known as x) xdddd


The second part is quite interesting, it is obvious that not everyone trusts technology and it is striking to see how they try to cling to what is outdated; something that could well happen in the medium term ._.
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Breaking out of the system is hard and you'll deemed a failiure by the system but it's also important not to follow it like a machine and sometimes do things as you want. In both cases the characters tried breaking out of the norm which caused trouble for them but was ultimately for the good I think.
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I can see why you'd think that way. But when we shrink the margins for wrongdoing until they're all gone... What's left won't be human anymore.
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Huh? I thought you had already blocked me when you made the previous post?
And please go on, report me or whatever for replying to you in a forum topic, though I'm not really sure that counts as harassment in any possible way.
@Avvenirista Dude I read through all posts and you are writing a load of shit.
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@Avvenirista Dude I read through all posts and you are writing a load of shit.
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Don't just make some daft drive-by post saying that I'm writing ''load of shit'', point out where the errors are in my argument.
If you're prepared to talk about the episode and your views on it then laid them down and let's have a civil discussion.
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Don't just make some daft drive-by post saying that I'm writing ''load of shit'', point out where the errors are in my argument.
If you're prepared to talk about the episode and your views on it then laid them down and let's have a civil discussion.
@Avvenirista Im not drive by you. I already made my comment on this eps. I was just looking at other convos and seen you posting nonsense so couldnt help put point it out. People like you who bully others is sad. If you want to argue actually go look at my post and pull it apart. Ill be waiting
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@Avvenirista Im not drive by you. I already made my comment on this eps. I was just looking at other convos and seen you posting nonsense so couldnt help put point it out. People like you who bully others is sad. If you want to argue actually go look at my post and pull it apart. Ill be waiting
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What the hell is this rubbish?
First you start shit by saying that my posts are nonsense without explaining what you think is wrong about my opinions (the definition of drive-by post), then call me a bully for whatever nonsensical reason and finally tell me to pick holes in your post, which is what, a one-liner?
If you take a issues with my posts in this thread then start picking apart what I said, I'm not doing your work.
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@Roch2001
What the hell is this rubbish?
First you start shit by saying that my posts are nonsense without explaining what you think is wrong about my opinions (the definition of drive-by post), then call me a bully for whatever nonsensical reason and finally tell me to pick holes in your post, which is what, a one-liner?
If you take a issues with my posts in this thread then start picking apart what I said, I'm not doing your work.
@Avvenirista I read your posts and you didnt explain anything either. I really dont think there is a concept of drive by post except in your head. I called you a bully because of your see above ^^ postings. You didnt even comment on my post which was this eps related. I see you removed my and only comment from your wall before coming posting here. I wont post on your wall again as im sure you will report me for harassment or something. None of this is rubbish, I'm just being you.
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@Avvenirista I read your posts and you didnt explain anything either. I really dont think there is a concept of drive by post except in your head. I called you a bully because of your see above ^^ postings. You didnt even comment on my post which was this eps related. I see you removed my and only comment from your wall before coming posting here. I wont post on your wall again as im sure you will report me for harassment or something. None of this is rubbish, I'm just being you.
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I didn't explain? Pretty sure I did, especially in my second post in this thread.
Why do I even to comment on your single one-liner post when you're the one taking issues with my posts here? You sound confused.
And why the hell I would I report you, I just removed the drivel without looking at it, because if you want to talk to me about Ai no Idenshi you can just normally do it here.
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I didn't explain? Pretty sure I did, especially in my second post in this thread.
Why do I even to comment on your single one-liner post when you're the one taking issues with my posts here? You sound confused.
And why the hell I would I report you, I just removed the drivel without looking at it, because if you want to talk to me about Ai no Idenshi you can just normally do it here.
@Avvenirista I feel you are the confused one. Im sorry your so anti social. I just tried to put some colour into your profile a post to you wall was all. You seemed lonely. And my one liner was a direct quote from the eps. It was pretty thought provoking imo but your just dismissing it like that one moment meant nothing. For me, it was the entire episode. I dont need to write walls of text to validate myself
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@Avvenirista I feel you are the confused one. Im sorry your so anti social. I just tried to put some colour into your profile a post to you wall was all. You seemed lonely. And my one liner was a direct quote from the eps. It was pretty thought provoking imo but your just dismissing it like that one moment meant nothing. For me, it was the entire episode. I dont need to write walls of text to validate myself
@Roch2001
Wait, I'm antisocial and lonely because I don't waste precious time dealing with your deranged posts on my profile? Hit up someone else's profile if you've got the blues and want to talk about nothing in particular.
I don't care about what you posted, you're the one who replied to me to tell me that that my posts were nonsense and refused to further elaborate and engage in the discussion.
It's like I already told you: if you want to talk about what you personally think it's wrong about my views then do the work and start a proper discussion, I'm always willing to a have a civil exchange of opinions with other people, but if you merely want to keep wasting time with some sort of crappy chitchat that doesn't go anywhere then cut it out.
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thought i was watching a different show at first.
Sep 15, 2023 11:30 PM
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This is the school overprotective conservative parents want.
And this is what throwing away your individuality does; it makes everyone mediocre and miserably in the name of equality.
The second part hit hard; this was Black Mirror-level social commentary.
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