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Jul 18, 2023 1:40 PM

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Roychop said:
If you're looking at this from the perspective that his previous behavior was unwanted (calling it "bad behavior"), then you're not paying attention. Do the other students treat him like an actual stalker? No. Do the girls think he's a creep for constantly harassing this poor girl? Again, no. Everyone else could see that while these two had a very unconventional dynamic, that they enjoyed their interactions together, even if that boiled down to him being overly familiar, and her telling him off. So, as dumb as it sounds, these two were "friends" and then due to his sudden revelation, he pretty much started completely ignoring her. Just try to imagine what sort of mindfuck that would be for her, and then add on top of it that she's too dense to understand why she's feeling depressed and frustrated by the situation. 
First off I am paying attention. Them being okay with it doesn't mean it is not still bad behavior, it just means they personally had no issue with it (though they should have). And yes I get the girl's perspective of being bothered by him, which is fine and even get her annoyance with him at the time, but I lost any sympathy for her after he backed off. If she was only confused and wasn't openly hostile all the time after that, I probably would still care (not enough to keep watching, but just my opinion of the character) about her to some extent. Also, he literally told her straight up in episode 1 how he was bothering her with the constant confessions and decided he wasn't going to do it anymore and wants a normal relationship with her (as classmates). So she already knows why he is backing off and trying to move on, but still acts like she doesn't get it even though he did tell her already, which puts her into donkan levels rather than just mere dense.
Except, it's not exactly "bad behavior" in the series or everyone around them wouldn't view them like "quarreling lovers" which is supposed to show how close they are together, even if the nature of their "relationship" is unconventional to say the least. Should you try this in real life? That would be a resounding "hell no". Now, you say that you get her perspective, but she wasn't actually bothered by him, at least not subconsciously, she just became so accustomed to that weird dynamic, that she never though to question it any deeper. You bring up that she's still hostile to him, but have you already forgotten that this has been the norm between these two for years? 

Of course she's going to simply revert back into that pattern, the difference is that now he backs down, and she's dismayed and unsettled by this. Yes, he did state clearly that he was nothing but a nuisance to her, but she's currently overwhelmed by everything. All she knows is that there's a huge void where something used to be, and that it's creepy he isn't acting creepy any more, but she can't really put any of this into context yet. So, she's largely annoyed and frustrated by his complete change in personality, and can't make sense of his new outlook. Honestly, I don't see these characters as being that much more dense that what would be typical for the genre, but I suppose that's open to interpretation. 
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
Jul 18, 2023 1:46 PM

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A bit better than the previous two episode but I still don't know where this is going, also I feel there something missing about the plot of him and his sister.
Jul 18, 2023 2:12 PM
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bro respected her wishes is deemed the brudda in the wrong
Jul 18, 2023 2:37 PM
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As someone who hasn't read the LN, I've been enjoying the series, despite feeling most characters besides the MC are highly unlikable. But an issue I had with the episode is that the siblings conversation pointed at MC not having self confidence being partially caused by his sister, so she felt like trying to do better. But him, I think because of how he just has gotten accustomed to that, wanted to keep the relationship as always. Then at the end it effectively shows that they continue as always, which I think it was a waste.

I don't know if I'm missing something or is caused by the adaptation, but it left me disappointed. Anyone who has read the LN could tell me if their relationship eventually evolves or he just continues accepting being basically abused by his sister forever.
Jul 18, 2023 3:41 PM

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well... this finally materialized into the usual trope of "Toxic relationship the anime" with flavour of:"How to gaslight your partner into being complacent in abusive relationship". 

I resent the japanese way of making fun and comedy out of mental illness/abuse/psychological stuff, yet they do it all the time and so casualy that I question what their cultural take on it actually is.

Tsunderidnes to the point of *violence* for the character that we are supposed to root for just.... doesn't work for me
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brutaka3 said:
As someone who hasn't read the LN, I've been enjoying the series, despite feeling most characters besides the MC are highly unlikable. But an issue I had with the episode is that the siblings conversation pointed at MC not having self confidence being partially caused by his sister, so she felt like trying to do better. But him, I think because of how he just has gotten accustomed to that, wanted to keep the relationship as always. Then at the end it effectively shows that they continue as always, which I think it was a waste.

I don't know if I'm missing something or is caused by the adaptation, but it left me disappointed. Anyone who has read the LN could tell me if their relationship eventually evolves or he just continues accepting being basically abused by his sister forever.
I wouldn't call it "being abused". The section was a bit nuanced so maybe some details were overlooked when you watched but basically she was just being the tsundere sister who talked cold but actually cared which is how he saw it. He knew she cared and this is why he told her to keep acting the way she has because he essentially understood his sister actually genuinely cared despite her cold exterior. However, she came to be aware of a situation where something similar happened to another party in the past, but more extreme, which resulted in severe consequences... and she thus over analyzed and took her behavior to be more severe than it was when, in reality, she wasn't really insulting him harshly but treating him like he was kind of average in contrast to many other examples of other characters actually treating him more harshly such as the face comments. She grew critical of her behavior and worried his sudden change with Aika after all this time was something more serious but the understanding brother reassured her that he understood how she really felt but also somewhat played into the fact that the MC does, indeed, not have proper confidence in himself though the issue isn't really due to his sister as he said. Its a complicated and nuanced scene that branches into his underlying issues elsewhere in the story and has quite a few layers for both him and herself. He also recognized that she wanted to change because she was seriously concerned and acknowledges her concern, regardless of how he says for her to just keep being his cold aloof sister.

It does help setup his own issues with confidence though after his friends and the past story of him being trashed by the girl he liked being seen in the first three episodes. He truly doesn't have proper confidence despite many people around him thinking rather well of him. It kind of reminds me of The Angel Next Door Spoils Me Rotten's MC issues and some others with the trope of a actually good person just excessively undervaluing themselves unnecessarily.

SugoiDekaiOppai said:
well... this finally materialized into the usual trope of "Toxic relationship the anime" with flavour of:"How to gaslight your partner into being complacent in abusive relationship". 

I resent the japanese way of making fun and comedy out of mental illness/abuse/psychological stuff, yet they do it all the time and so casualy that I question what their cultural take on it actually is.

Tsunderidnes to the point of *violence* for the character that we are supposed to root for just.... doesn't work for me
I think you might be on the wrong anime forum. If you think you aren't could you possibly elaborate on like... all three points? I can't see this referring to the anime in question tbh.
Jul 19, 2023 2:19 AM

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Roychop said:
Once again Wataru gives a very valid reasoning for why he is keeping his distance, and the other girl he's around just doesn't freaking get it and keeps making it all about Aika and comes off like she wants him to go back to his bad behaviour. Speaking of Aika, she's just annoying, and she had no right to meddle in his talk with his sister, especially when she's always being rude to him herself, and the sister was guilty of it too, but oh sure he's in the wrong. That one guy friend with the two girls (and those 2 girls themselves) are just as unlikable as everybody else and one wonders why Wataru wants anything to do with them or anyone in this show. The sister ironically became more likable by virtue of feeling her attitude was causing issues...all undercut by the end because they have to keep the character the same for the sake of jokes. The so called pretty boy meddling in Wataru's personal business got on my nerves too, and acts clueless when told why he (Wataru) quit going after Aika even though it was plain obvious. Wataru not knowing Aika likes him is justified given how she always acted and how now she's giving mixed signals. It's really her fault, I can't blame him. I think that's it for me. Gave it 3 episodes, but aside from the MC himself, and maybe the two minor girls from last episode, I can't stand any of the characters. It's sad too cause I liked the idea. Who knows, maybe something similar will be made down the road that's written better.
If you're looking at this from the perspective that his previous behavior was unwanted (calling it "bad behavior"), then you're not paying attention. Do the other students treat him like an actual stalker? No. Do the girls think he's a creep for constantly harassing this poor girl? Again, no. Everyone else could see that while these two had a very unconventional dynamic, that they enjoyed their interactions together, even if that boiled down to him being overly familiar, and her telling him off. So, as dumb as it sounds, these two were "friends" and then due to his sudden revelation, he pretty much started completely ignoring her. Just try to imagine what sort of mindfuck that would be for her, and then add on top of it that she's too dense to understand why she's feeling depressed and frustrated by the situation. 

Most people wouldnt get it unless they have experienced or witnessed some similar kind of relationship dynamic where it's confrontational but on friendly terms and everyone sees chemistry there.
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Jul 19, 2023 2:25 AM
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I just hope his onee-chan does not develop romantic feelings for him….. lol Natsukawa should remain the only main heroine imo
Jul 19, 2023 3:39 AM
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Why everyone keep telling him how wierd it is that he stopped his creepy stalking/obsession lol instead of giving him positive feedback for doing so? There are multiple accounts now including the sister. Everyone suffering from a collective stockholm sendrome or something? FMC definetely does thats for sure.
Jul 19, 2023 3:44 AM

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it's only episode 3 and the art quality already dropped :'(
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Jul 19, 2023 8:36 AM

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wataru sisters is kinda adorable and cute tbh !!

i kinda bit simp both of them even theya re blood related LOL
Jul 19, 2023 10:04 AM

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Raafalga said:

Is it really? Then why the dude has absolutely no confidence in himself whatsoever? Is it self inflicted? Did all these issues of his magicly appear out of nowhere? Why did he ask her to name at least a couple good things about him than?
Because he thinks he's an ordinary guy. Wataru has had self-image problems since forever, if the anime doesn't cut it, he'll talk about it in the next episode. It's nobody's fault.
Part of it comes from the shock of "waking up", before the ball incident he was living in the "perfect world", reality hit him hard.
Why does he have self-image problems?
Jul 19, 2023 6:33 PM

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oh boi, i cant w8 for next episode where his sister goes to jail cose she killed him with the bat, that will be fun
Jul 19, 2023 11:46 PM

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sometin' was missing in the episode
HOWDY!!
Jul 20, 2023 9:34 AM
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Honestly since ep2 the writing been pretty stupid and ilogical/ feels wrong / random idk how to put describe it but closest would be shitty writing but enjoying the show kinda 

maybe cute girls? also wtf was that "gyaru" girl that kept asking about if he did it and her wanting to do it why even show such a useless and mentally deranged charachter yet turn everbody around her to cardboard that doesnt react -_- ... still like the show sofar though
Jul 20, 2023 1:10 PM

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she is so hard to deal with ;d
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Jul 20, 2023 1:30 PM

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Rafalga said:
Why everyone keep telling him how wierd it is that he stopped his creepy stalking/obsession lol instead of giving him positive feedback for doing so? There are multiple accounts now including the sister. Everyone suffering from a collective stockholm sendrome or something? FMC definetely does thats for sure.
That's because in anime logic his "stalking" was never really stalking at all. It was more like a cute bond between the two of them, where he was clingy and lovesick, and she would insult him or tell him off. Yet, everyone around them could tell that they both enjoyed this bizarre dynamic, but of course Natsukawa doesn't really understand this herself, at least until he starts leaving her alone, and then she starts feeling gloomy and frustrated about it, which explains her jealousy and hostility towards the MC. Also, keep in mind that she doesn't have a normal relationship with the MC, for years she's only communicated with him in a harsh manner, so that won't be an easy habit to break. 
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
Jul 20, 2023 1:39 PM
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I not like this episode
Jul 20, 2023 4:09 PM
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feels like we skipped 3 or more episodes and we are already at the sister stuff even tho so much other shit happened before all that
Jul 22, 2023 1:41 AM
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This is one of the few romance anime where I hope to God the MC and heroine don't get together... Plz just let Wataru be happy with himself.
Jul 22, 2023 9:33 PM

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While still dumb as all hell and full of moments where my key takeaway was "nobody talks like this" I will say this was an improvement from last week. I mean, at the very least I was able to follow along with what was going on, more or less. Oh, and where the hell did the big sister get the bat at the end? I could rewatch that scene and see if it was there beside her all along, but that would require me rewatching a part of this show which...no thanks.
Jul 24, 2023 12:26 AM

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Anyone noticed the quality of animation was a bit weird in this episode? It felt rushed, downgraded and unfinished.

Also, We couldn't even get a proper flashback about Wataru and his sister when they were a Kid. It made the event lack of emotion. Manga did this perfectly.
Jul 25, 2023 7:25 AM
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wow so many likeable characters wow i'm gonna drop this
Jul 26, 2023 1:04 AM
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There you have it. You have a sister who straight up bullies you along with your mother (cut from the anime). They are indeed the reason for his none-existant confidence. Last scene just reinforced that he prety much internalized the abuse and doesn't want the status quo to change since he has already given up. Aika cements her position as the worst female lead as well adding physical abuse to the list. 

Also imagine forcefully interfering with family business just because your crush seem sad that she might be the reason of his brothers mental decline (she is right). Not becuase you are worried about the brother himself but because you just don't want the girl to be sad.

What a bunch of selfish assholes.

Finally some with same understanding as mine
Jul 27, 2023 11:27 AM

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A bit more focus on the sister brother relationship which got a bit out of hand at the hand.
Remember kids don't beat up your little brother with a baseball bat.

Anyway the main being totally oblivious of Aika's feelings is a bit annoying so hopefully he will realise them soon.
 

My man has been expressing his feelings towards Aika since middle school and got rejected every time. Aika even told him not to bother her anymore, so how can my man suppose to know about what Aika actually wants?


for real lol i always get annoyed by comments of "he is too dense" or "how can he not realise what girl wants" ... half the times, even i have a hard time knowing what they think (while having both points of view scenes), how is mc supposed to know? specially in this one, like you said, girl even told mc to go away ... i mean, she literally only started to feel alone (and maybe liking him) AFTER he left her
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3er Capitulo del simp que dejo de ser simp, tremenda hermana.
Aug 6, 2023 2:08 PM

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Very good episode
Aug 8, 2023 8:34 AM
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this series makes no sense. dialogue and interactions are forced and just suck in general. and they dont even go all the way with the whole concept of the show.
the guy is meant to be sick of being rejected and what not but the next scene he goes on about pulling an idol fan and simping from the sidelines???? this show isnt even funny bad its just straight up bad
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Wataru is just continuing to friend-zone Natsukawa, though Ashida sees this as an area of tease, as well as the entire class in wanting their charades to continue. And Natsukawa feels jealous that Wataru is taking to the other girls in their class, which he has no clue why she is the way she does. Even getting hurled by the student council president Senpai Hanawa that his big sister Kaede has some judgments to pass on, now that her lil' sibling is facing an existential crisis. But in reality, Wataru doesn't need his sister's BS of playing the pretend game of trying to care for him, even more so than Natsukawa acting on instinct and being caring for him.

What a hilarious mess of psychological and emotional mind games, not in this show...
Sep 14, 2023 12:30 AM

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That's a good older sister, she'll have his back when the going gets tough... why she so short though lol

Sep 16, 2023 9:50 PM

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This is going from bad to really bad. I'm starting to skip parts on top of watching in 3x.
Oct 10, 2023 5:54 PM

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Aika is getting outclassed by every single girl on screen. Which just makes Wataru keeping his distance from her that much more satisfying.
Dec 14, 2023 1:22 AM
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Honestly, it's been 3 episodes and I still don't know what this show is trying to sell me. I mean, is it a slice-of-life, drama, romance. Which is it?!

And what's up with these unnecessary missions, where people see the main character as somekind of problem solver. This anime has been weak so far. If nothing changes, this show is definitely going to be anyone's fav.
Dec 15, 2023 1:30 AM
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nice story......
Dec 15, 2023 6:12 PM
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Boring characters and show overall
Dec 22, 2023 9:24 AM
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My understanding is that this isn't a well-liked show, but hey, I had a really good time with the first three episodes, so much that I wanted to write down my thoughts about it so far.

My statement is that this show is unpopular because it lacks what one would consider "general fun."
What I mean is, in this show, there is (so far) no action, no outstanding comedy, no drama, only conversations between our characters - basically there is nothing that would keep the attention of a watcher who is uninterested about what the story actually wants to be.

And what does it wants to be exactly? A psychological story about the concept of releationship.

I was actually rather enthusiastic about this show, paying a lot of attention while watching it, and I found the theme of exploring different type of individuals' sense of releationships rather engaging. I would say that this story is quite like "Rascal Does not Dream of a Bunny Girl Senpai", with the exception of that show actually managed to be a lot of fun to watch while being an engagin pysichological story. Yeah, I would call this a poor man's Bunny Girl Senpai.

Also, I can imagine that the main heroine instant swinging from "you are being a nuisance" to "hey, why did you stop being a nuisance???" causes quite a controversy, maybe a lot of people find it quite dislikeable. But I don't think there is any problem with this. She's not the most reasonable character. Then, so what? Isn't she supposed to be an uncertain teenager?
And the protagonist is, albeit quite simple a character, he in fact has one rather admireable trait to him: he's great about understanding how others might feel. It might not sound like much, but I really thought that he was brilliant every time he picked up something about a character and managed to convey geniue feeling, feelings that I too experienced before, into words that nobody said to me before.

In conclusion, my opinion is that this is (so far) a loveable and engaging show, but only if you like psychological stuff, if you are willing to like it's for the psychological stuff and not for comedy, drama, etc.
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Its not that deep. Like every girl in the show is overthinking the main character. It's not that deep.
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well... this finally materialized into the usual trope of "Toxic relationship the anime" with flavour of:"How to gaslight your partner into being complacent in abusive relationship". 

I resent the japanese way of making fun and comedy out of mental illness/abuse/psychological stuff, yet they do it all the time and so casualy that I question what their cultural take on it actually is.

Tsunderidnes to the point of *violence* for the character that we are supposed to root for just.... doesn't work for me
@SugoiDekaiOppai baste on what i hear (maybe not in modern day but still not ferry long ago) they tend to pretend it doesn't exists and if a family member with mental disability cant pretend and slips out ppl get mad, act as if that person shamed them and then they lokc him/her in their room (like forever) or in to mental asylum and pretend that he/she doesn't exists, its like mark of shame to them, as i said maybe it has changed by new, i heard that years ago, if it did change it was still far later then in other cultures, not below 90s, 90s+, no clue how accurate that is but that's what i heard from somewhere
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As someone who hasn't read the LN, I've been enjoying the series, despite feeling most characters besides the MC are highly unlikable. But an issue I had with the episode is that the siblings conversation pointed at MC not having self confidence being partially caused by his sister, so she felt like trying to do better. But him, I think because of how he just has gotten accustomed to that, wanted to keep the relationship as always. Then at the end it effectively shows that they continue as always, which I think it was a waste.

I don't know if I'm missing something or is caused by the adaptation, but it left me disappointed. Anyone who has read the LN could tell me if their relationship eventually evolves or he just continues accepting being basically abused by his sister forever.
I wouldn't call it "being abused". The section was a bit nuanced so maybe some details were overlooked when you watched but basically she was just being the tsundere sister who talked cold but actually cared which is how he saw it. He knew she cared and this is why he told her to keep acting the way she has because he essentially understood his sister actually genuinely cared despite her cold exterior. However, she came to be aware of a situation where something similar happened to another party in the past, but more extreme, which resulted in severe consequences... and she thus over analyzed and took her behavior to be more severe than it was when, in reality, she wasn't really insulting him harshly but treating him like he was kind of average in contrast to many other examples of other characters actually treating him more harshly such as the face comments. She grew critical of her behavior and worried his sudden change with Aika after all this time was something more serious but the understanding brother reassured her that he understood how she really felt but also somewhat played into the fact that the MC does, indeed, not have proper confidence in himself though the issue isn't really due to his sister as he said. Its a complicated and nuanced scene that branches into his underlying issues elsewhere in the story and has quite a few layers for both him and herself. He also recognized that she wanted to change because she was seriously concerned and acknowledges her concern, regardless of how he says for her to just keep being his cold aloof sister.

It does help setup his own issues with confidence though after his friends and the past story of him being trashed by the girl he liked being seen in the first three episodes. He truly doesn't have proper confidence despite many people around him thinking rather well of him. It kind of reminds me of The Angel Next Door Spoils Me Rotten's MC issues and some others with the trope of a actually good person just excessively undervaluing themselves unnecessarily.

SugoiDekaiOppai said:
well... this finally materialized into the usual trope of "Toxic relationship the anime" with flavour of:"How to gaslight your partner into being complacent in abusive relationship". 

I resent the japanese way of making fun and comedy out of mental illness/abuse/psychological stuff, yet they do it all the time and so casualy that I question what their cultural take on it actually is.

Tsunderidnes to the point of *violence* for the character that we are supposed to root for just.... doesn't work for me
I think you might be on the wrong anime forum. If you think you aren't could you possibly elaborate on like... all three points? I can't see this referring to the anime in question tbh.
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I wouldn't call it "being abused".
Yeah that's your problem with the three episode you can see it's abuse. poor guy, i've got 2 big brother a little brother and the oldest one is my sister and none of them would ever say half the thing she said to him or even order me around, what a bitch.
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