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May 27, 2023 4:57 AM

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Ririka is a real nasty for guilt tripping Shima like that, hope Shima pulls the ditch on her.
May 27, 2023 7:50 AM
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billybub said:
Alex_the_reaper said:
So I want answers from manga readers, is Shima's brother actually his own son with the model or no? A simple yes or no is enough for me


No...what would even give you that idea?

Thk god, so basicly the scene at the end when the actress said she regretted that Day and had so much power of Guilt over him made me think maybe something worse happened that night, the whole weird relationship btw Shima and his brother despite being very weird Having conflicts with such a young child (like with 3 yrs its Still a baby he wouldnt hate Shima over stuff like his fame or getting more atention from the parents) plus the fact the brother being only 3 yrs old (wich would make the ages kinda match - both Shima and the actress looked 3/4 yrs younger on the flashback)

But im Thankfull i was only overthinking
May 27, 2023 10:00 AM

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well this took a dark turn. is it too early to call ririka a horrible person? i'm curious to know more about what happened 4 years ago
 



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May 27, 2023 11:28 AM

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Hands down the very best anime of the season and that's on period
May 27, 2023 2:57 PM

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so, i love that there is a lgbt+ character. I love her, the character is awesome, but there are some problems. before the pajama party, she says to Mitsumi that "Don't forget to tell them your aunt is biologically male". I see where this comes from (guessing), and this is just discrimination. The far right politics just need to have this labels, right? I hate it. Documents need your biological gender, and birth name. Why? Why can't people just officially be called what they want to? Why is there need to know other's biological sex when it's none of their business? I get it that "omg it is Japan", but i have had enough of this, this kind of wording is conniving with established patterns ruling society that just are unfair.

Anyways. Mitsumi and Shima are so cute.
Mhm that part made me a bit sad, on one hand it's nice that she's comfortable enough to not feel ashamed if people find out, but also it was like she felt obligated to disclose this information. 

Other than that it was another really great episode :) Just kinda worried for Shima. What happened to Ririka, and does Shima only stay in contact with her out of guilt? I hope it will be explained in the last 4 episodes.
Yeah. I agree that, in one way it is cool that there is representation, but on the other hand it seems that someone with less power tried to incorporate the theme in the story and a more powerful, maybe director or something, said "if we are putting this character there, then we need to disclose to our viewers that the character is biologically male". Also, the demographic is seinen. Maybe i'm making it up, but it really feels like something fake and that isn't well built up. I've seem lgbt characters in other series and it felt so naturally incorporated (the theme, not gender kind of "natural") it made me proud. Again, it is not hate, i'm just not sure this should be how trans women should be represented. 

I'm watching the Pose tv series and just loving it.
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May 27, 2023 3:02 PM
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Guys, we need to protect Shima from Ririka
May 27, 2023 3:08 PM

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Still dislike Mika but I'm really enjoying the continuous characterization she has been receiving. Her forming a bond with Nao-chan was unexpected but I'm loving that development so far.

As for this Ririka chick, she's practically manipulation (or even blackmailing) Shima through guilt so I'm not sure how the anime will manage to make me feel empathy for her.

P.S.: Omfg, people didn't notice Nao-chan was trans till this episode? Smh...
May 27, 2023 10:45 PM
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Damn their 'date' kinda too short to be honest. Curse you, summer heat!

But well, with that, theres an unexpected connection coming from Mika and Nao which also create a more backstory info for those Mitsumi's aunt. Interesting flow by that, and hope to learn more about it. Alas, the story needs to jump from one scene to another. Where the complication coming from our handsome boy, Shima and his family relationship. Whatever that means, its including those red-haired model into the picture which honestly not looking so good, so far...

So contrast by how Shima doing thing on the night, with the talk about the relationship, and such. Mitsumi and her friends simply having fun with the pajama party as the theme. As its should've been Shima honestly been doing and care, with his short high school life.

Let's see how its roll on the next...
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May 28, 2023 7:43 AM

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Besides the fact that Nao-chan is an amazing character, I wasn't expecting this sort of dark twist between Shima and that model, and also the fact that Shima's home life might be hella complicated as well... I wonder how Mitsumi will react when the time comes for these truths to be revealed to her, and I really wonder if she'll do something to help Shima, I can already tell the next episodes will be spicy so can't wait for the next one already.
May 28, 2023 10:54 AM

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another potentially good show with well thought out characters ruined by adding a token trans
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May 28, 2023 7:49 PM
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaa te amo tia nao
May 28, 2023 10:04 PM

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It feels like we still don't know anything about the man, Shima's one mysterious guy. It feels like it's a little too early to judge but Ririka was kind of a bitch. She didn't need to guilt trip him like that
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May 29, 2023 9:01 AM

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A dark past of him is hinted, and I think Mitsumi will probably encourag him in some way in the next episode.
May 29, 2023 12:08 PM
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amazing!!! i loved this ep, definitely now i have new favorite waifu of the season!!!
May 29, 2023 1:04 PM

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I love Nao-chan in this episode! ๐Ÿ˜Š She's looking out for Mitsumi but also giving some advice!

But Ririka sucks lol I'm sorry but Shima-kun needs to stand up for himself. The way she was talking to him and how she went as far to talk bad about Mitsumi and how she said he isn't allowed to live a happy high school life seriously raised a red flag in my head. Idk she just rubbed me the wrong way here. I'm assuming Shima-kun had something to do with her drinking alcohol at a young age though, but even so
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Ah, i had a suspecting feeling that nao-chan was transgender but this episode pretty much confirms it. They handled its pretty well, shes a great aunt.

That ending though... seems like shimas past is catching up with him. yeesh. Seems like a bad decison he made in the past, and the model girl got caught up in it as well.

Im definitely picking up the manga for this anime
May 29, 2023 4:19 PM
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ohh were getting some drama :o
May 29, 2023 11:34 PM

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Mika's the type of girl you can't help but cheer for. She's flawed but unlike some others she doesn't take things for granted and works hard for it. I hope she finds happiness. As for Ririka and Shima, seems like they both got roped into trouble which led to scandal and possibly why Shima quit acting and why Ririka's the way she is now.
May 30, 2023 2:07 PM

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ooOoooOOOOoh drama nice
May 30, 2023 5:25 PM

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Nao-chan can be pretty cute acting sometimes.

A lot of dialogue between the characters in general seems pretty realistic to me they aren't just trying to be pushed into very specific narrow anime tropes.

Ah so that's the relation that model has with Shima she has a grudge against him and he feels he owes her because she says so.
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May 31, 2023 8:02 AM
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Mitsumi's uncle is the best aunt/big sis/stylist she can have on her side.
Jun 3, 2023 8:19 AM

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Clout chaser and cringe lol The little zoo outing was cute! Mika is going through a rough time, I wish she would put everything aside and started being a little more approachable. At least she realizes she's the problem and is somewhat actively trying to fix it. She's trying too hard. Poor Shima got involved in some drama and now isn't able to live like a normal high schooler since the girl has a grudge against him. Leave him alone!! It seems like Shima holds resentment towards his parents and little brother since he was a child actor.
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Jun 6, 2023 4:58 AM
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Good to see some decent trans representation in anime for once
Jun 10, 2023 9:27 AM

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It was a good episode about friendship relations.
Jun 11, 2023 1:26 PM

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Don't know what the real deal is with Ririka, why she thinks Shima doesn't deserve to be happy or to have friends. What we know so far makes her seem really unreasonable. She seems so toxic and unlikable at the moment. Maybe she will be fleshed out more, but at this time I don't like her and I just get really bad vibes from her.
She is probably meant as direct contrast to Mitsumi - aka girl who cares too much about what everyone is thinking about her.
I understand her but I can't approve of her possesive behavior. Her problem is easy to solve though - similiarly to Mika.

If Shima had it in him he could become the role example for her, like Mitsumi is for him. His low self-esteem and family circumstances as direct reason for it are probably preventing him doing that.
Jun 13, 2023 1:36 PM
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Mika and Nao-chan are the best characters.
Jun 20, 2023 2:57 AM

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Nao chan is so awesome and cool. I love Nao chan. The girls' sleepover was cute. Some tensions between Shiima and his childhood friend.
Jun 22, 2023 11:47 PM

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really nice episode, first half was calm with Nao making an appearance. 

Really interested to see more about Shiima's history with his childhood friend and what exactly happaned.
Jun 25, 2023 9:34 AM

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The day at the zoo went pretty well for the two of them!
This Saijou girl seems like she might be quite the handful for Shima.
Jun 28, 2023 6:33 AM

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Having such an eccentric niece, I too would be crying tears of happiness like Aunt Nao seeing Mitsumi having a sleepover with her nice friends.
Knowing how messed up the entertainment industry can be, I'm curious to find out what happened to Shima in the past

Jun 30, 2023 6:25 AM

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Uwah. Shimasuke's surroundings look kinda complicated.
Jul 1, 2023 6:49 PM
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I love Mika’s character development in this episode she’s really noticing her flaws and is trying to change that, and with Nao’s help she’s changing for the better๐Ÿ˜„ + I like how Nao isn’t being forced down my throat๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ

The ending of this episode was hella dark tho I did not expect Shima to be suffering from being emotionally abused by that Ririka girl๐Ÿ˜•
Jul 28, 2023 10:49 PM

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I relate to Murashige alot about being stuck with a friendgroup you don't belong with. My closest friends are pretty ghetto now just because of where we live, and even though I enjoy hanging out with them alot I still feel like I have to watch my mouth and not say anything embarrassing. 

That model girl seems super high maintenance, sheesh. I wonder her past with Shima and how she's probably threating him. 
Aug 10, 2023 10:46 PM

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mitsumi's aunt is so cool! also, the model girl's relationship with sousuke is so messed up. i don't know what happened yet, but feeling entitled to not let someone be okay because of something they did is such a petty way of getting even, but also very relatable to the teenage experience?? which makes me really excited for the growing everyone's gonna through as time passes
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That was fun, especially his joke about his outfit and the panda.

A glimpse about his personal life, his parents had a new kid and it makes him feel a certain way which might be related to his acting days that is probably related to his relationship with the model-girl.

So that's why she's basically acting like she owns him or something, yikes.
Oct 4, 2023 5:03 AM

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I don't understand at first why Mika needed to follow Sosuke and Mitsumi at the zoo, but it actually made sense and I understand her feelings. I'm glad too see her character development.

Nao chan gave her a nice advice so she stayed with Mitsume at the end.

Sosuke seems to have a dak past that involved Ririka.



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Oct 18, 2023 10:08 PM

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Ririka being like that stereotype of a famous person, from what we have seen. I guess she is the villain for this show and they will have a showdown in the future. Guess that is why Sousuke was afraid to have her snoop around.
Oct 22, 2023 3:39 AM
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Looks like Ririka and Sousoke have some past between them. Plus it's funny to see Nao-chan dressed up in disguise to check on the couple visiting the zoo.
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I liked the mix of fun/heartwarming moments and drama in this episode.
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I really like how they are developing Mika's character, it's only natural for her to not be too excited about the date between Shima and Mitsumi, but she also doesn't want to ruin the date or anything. Also, Nao-chan being worried about who's this Shima guy was actually funny, and she even helped Mika in her inner problems.
It seems like Shima has some home problems too... Although it was implicit that he had some family problems, it's the 1st time they actually adressed it, and it seems like his family pays more attention to his little brother than him, and overall, it seems like he doesn't have much of a relationship with his brother. I'm glad Mitsumi didn't let him just give up of giving his brother a gift. Mitsumi has been such a ray of light into Shima's life, and she doesn't even know it.

Although it was implicit since episode one, I think this is the 1st episode that they confirmed Nao-chan is trans, and I'm honestly really happy, because it's good to see more inclusion in anime, and I think this is the 1st anime I've seen with a trans character! Also, Nao-chan is just amazing.

Sleepover party was wholesome, and once again, we can see the internal fight Mika is in, with wanting to be part of that friend circle, but not wanting to get too much involved with Mitsumi, because she's afraid she will end up together with Shima, her love interest.

The last part of the anime was the most intense, where we get to see that the model that appeared last episode actually got her career destroyed, and it was due to Shima... It seems like the rumours she has been drinking since 6th grade come from there, and Shima was the reason why she was there in the 1st place. It's understandable she can't really forgive Shima for that, but it seems malicious that she's still after him, and making sure he isn't able to live a normal happy high schooler life after that. But we also don't know for sure what Shima did to her...
Shima's plot just gets thicker, and it seems like his whole life is a mess...

For me, this episode has been the best so far. It perfectly gives the relaxing therapy the other episodes give, but also gives a lot of plot details and progresses with the story, and the episode was actually quite intense towards the end. This anime is getting better and better.
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It's interesting to see that none of Mitsumi's friends seem to have any prejudice against Nao-chan
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Very lovely anime by far
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Itโ€™s time to ditch the text file.
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