Is the high praise for episode 1 coming from source readers, because I honestly don't get it.

kriissyy12 said:
One thing I'm surprised people aren't pointing out is the animation and character designs, the characters look extremely bland, while the animation looks like something you'd see in a trashy Isekai with a sub 6 rating on here, not a highly praised LN.

kriissyy12 said:
Let me preference this by saying

Judevin said:
Yes, I don't see the praise for Berserk either, the animation in Berserk 2016 belongs to a 2/10 trashy cg show.

Please learn that studios animating some show =/= bad source

Also why do you want something to happen in the first episode? Do you not understand the concept of worldbuilding or character development? How are you supposed to root for some character if you don't even know who they are? That's not how writing anything works.

As for the praise, I have honestly no idea what praise you are talking about, the show is sitting at a 7.58 which isn't exactly some mindblowing number. I haven't seen any high praise at all tbh. Most of the threads in the forums are about how the rating is deserved and why this is similar to Mushoku Tensei.

You mean "preface".

kriissyy12 said:
I'm also not sure if you're aware, but 7.58 is considered a good score on MAL. It's also too early to bring MAL scores into it though, I'm basing it off what I've seen in the forum and other sites. A lot of people are giving it high praise, you're clearly being obtuse if you think otherwise.

kriissyy12 said:
Which makes me think a lot of the praise the episode is getting is from source readers who know what happens later on, and don't want people to drop the show, which I can understand.

Judevin said:
Yes, I don't see the praise for Berserk either, the animation in Berserk 2016 belongs to a 2/10 trashy cg show.

Please learn that studios animating some show =/= bad source

Also why do you want something to happen in the first episode? Do you not understand the concept of worldbuilding or character development? How are you supposed to root for some character if you don't even know who they are? That's not how writing anything works.

As for the praise, I have honestly no idea what praise you are talking about, the show is sitting at a 7.58 which isn't exactly some mindblowing number. I haven't seen any high praise at all tbh. Most of the threads in the forums are about how the rating is deserved and why this is similar to Mushoku Tensei.

You mean "preface".

Judevin said:
That is considered surprisingly average actually. A good show on MAL is considered above 8 (I don't get this either but that's just how people consider it from what I've learnt over my 4 years on this hellhole website).

Anyway I took one look on the forums for this show, and
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1958269
(this show is not that different from MT)

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1963381
(first episode wasn't good)

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1963352
(another thread saying it's similar to MT)

Now I went through the Episode 1 discussion, and literally all source readers say it's disappointing or bad. So what praise. What praise my guy, how am I obtuse.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64568270
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64583760
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64617265
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64618283
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64619028
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64619239
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004#msg64619490
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1960004&show=50#msg64623306

These are all the people that read the source and said that the show is not good. It is not the source readers calling it good, so who is it.

I still have no idea what high praise you're talking about to be honest, anime only people in this thread like it but everyone said that it's like MT and it doesn't have a high rating like MT either. So now we come at a conflicting point. You said that This implies source readers are the one singing praises but it isn't them. I think you are confused as to what to really say to make your point because you're really failing at it. And people in #3 and #4 did plenty good job to explain it. I didn't like the first episode either, but I would just say that the story felt rushed and the build-up to the reveal wasn't there. You, on the other hand, brought up source readers hyping it up which isn't true which is why I found your post so pointless, it makes a point that doesn't hold up at all, so I honestly don't get it either. I think you're just bad at opinions? I don't know.

kriissyy12 said:


People are comparing it to Mushoku Tensei because the creator literally said that was his main inspiration for the show. He admits himself, he basically tried to rip-off Mushoku Tensei, but without the ecchi bits.

Also again 7.58 is a high score, two of the best shows from last season (Tsukimichi, Idaten) both got scores of slightly higher 7.75. Many other good shows have similar scores, anything above 8 is considered top tier, anything above 7.5 is considered really good.

Judevin said:
There is a difference between inspiration and ripoff.

And you called Tsukimichi and Idaten best shows, but so many people would call them bad. So what point are you trying to make?

You have failed to make a single decent point, this post comes off as nothing but "I am a special snowflake who doesn't like xyz popular series, I am special, look at me." It's extremely pathetic to read through.

Your point about source readers praising it doesn't hold up, your point about opinions doesn't hold up, your point about inspiration and rip-off doesn't hold up. This post is just a terrible waste of time. I am sorry.

kriissyy12 said:


"Mushoku but without ecchi" is a literal quote from the creator of the show.

Tsukimichi was one of the top new shows of last season, especially in Japan. Which is why it got a second season straight after the first season ended. Idaten is very highly rated, the issue is, people review bombed it after the first episode which hurt its rating a bit. Still finised the season in the high 7's though.

You also can't say I'm a snowflake, when you're the one throwing out insults here. I think I've responded to you in a respectful way, but somehow that makes me 'pathetic'?

You're clearly a big fan of the show, which is fair enough. Don't throw a hissy fit though, just because someone didn't like the first episode.

Judevin said:
I didn't like the first episode either, but I would just say that the story felt rushed and the build-up to the reveal wasn't there.

Judevin said:
Again, not true.

2 posts ago I said So I'm not a big fan of the first episode either.

Now, you have failed to demonstrate a single good argument about literally anything.

1. Source readers are not praising it (neither am I - source reader).
2. Tsukimichi is also an isekai, so is MT, I find it ridiculous that you compare 2 isekai and say the same, and I would like you to show where the creator of Saihate said "Mushoku without ecchi". Because inspiration is not the same as ripoff, if that was true, then everything is a ripoff of Seisenshi Dunbine since that was the first isekai anime ever created.
3. It is pathetic to witness because none of your points stack up, everything you have said so far is untrue or just blatantly false, but I was a bit rude about that so I apologize. I can call you a snowflake though for sure, you made a whole point when 4 other posts already exist regarding the same topic that I linked above. You made a new one that is redundant just to give yourself some kind of spotlight, does come off as "special snowflake" to me. I am sorry lmao, that's just how it looks to me.
4. I am not throwing a fit, since I actually agreed with the first episode being shit (look above), but I find it hilarious that you're making points that don't hold up instead of just saying "I didn't like the first episode", you're starting a whole discourse on source readers praising it. And you fail to understand that A LOT of people did like it and they aren't even source readers. To me, you really do appear like a special snowflake.

kriissyy12 said:


https://twitter.com/yanaginokanata/status/1419424171570860034

And I know it's correct English, but the crap of "Mushoku but without ecchi" makes me laugh a little.

At the time, "Mushoku" was the top-ranked novel on the web. When I read it, I thought, "Mushoku is so fun" and "I'd like to write a piece like this" . And I wrote a piece afterwards, but for some reason it didn't turn out to be ecchi. It's mystery of creation!

I'm glad my English isn't all messed up. Yes, it is. Nothing to hide, my work and my main character are heavily influenced by Mushoku.

kriissyy12 said:

https://twitter.com/yanaginokanata/status/1419424171570860034

kriissyy12 said:
Let me preference this by saying, I'm well aware this is just my opinion and others probably did enjoy the first episode a lot. That said though, I've watched it twice and nothing in that first episode strikes me as something praiseworthy. Which makes me think a lot of the praise the episode is getting is from source readers who know what happens later on, and don't want people to drop the show, which I can understand.

One thing I'm surprised people aren't pointing out is the animation and character designs, the characters look extremely bland, while the animation looks like something you'd see in a trashy Isekai with a sub 6 rating on here, not a highly praised LN.

Judevin said:
There is a difference between inspiration and ripoff.

And you called Tsukimichi and Idaten best shows, but so many people would call them bad. So what point are you trying to make?

You have failed to make a single decent point, this post comes off as nothing but "I am a special snowflake who doesn't like xyz popular series, I am special, look at me." It's extremely pathetic to read through.

Your point about source readers praising it doesn't hold up, your point about opinions doesn't hold up, your point about inspiration and rip-off doesn't hold up. This post is just a terrible waste of time. I am sorry.

I've watched it twice and nothing in that first episode strikes me as something praiseworthy. Which makes me think a lot of the praise the episode is getting is from source readers who know what happens later on, and don't want people to drop the show, which I can understand.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@kriissyy12

Why am I not surprised to see this thread from someone who gave Mushoku Tensei instant 10/10. Talking from own experience much? You've already given this anime 4/10; the worst anime this season in your opinion. Heck, even "The Fruit of Evolution" deserves 5/10 in your opinion which is ridiculous.

I think this is all the evidence needed for people to pinpoint a troll and a hater.

kriissyy12 said:


It's funny because I didn't even bring up the Mushoku Tensei comparisons in this thread, also me loving that show has nothing to do with me not liking this one.

I love fantasy, I wouldn't have a preconceived opinion of a show for such a silly reason. I think it's bad because the artstyle is bland, the MC has no personality, the character designs look like something out of a generic Isekai and there's nothing that's drawn me in so far.

Do you want me to pretend I love it, just to satisfy you?

Scordolo said:

"Mc has no personality"
First off, do you even know what a "Personality" is? Him caring for his family is not a "personality" to you?
He actually has drawbacks like him not being able to control magic right off the bat even though he is extremely op.
Man, you really judging an anime based on character designs, lmao.

kriissyy12 said:
a lot of the praise the episode is getting is from source readers

kriissyy12 said:

One thing I'm surprised people aren't pointing out is the animation

kriissyy12 said:

and character designs, the characters look extremely bland

kriissyy12 said:

, while the animation looks like something you'd see in a trashy Isekai with a sub 6 rating on here, not a highly praised LN.

kriissyy12 said:
trashy Isekai

It's funny because I didn't even bring up the Mushoku Tensei comparisons in this thread, also me loving that show has nothing to do with me not liking this one.

"Which makes me think a lot of the praise the episode is getting is from source readers who know what happens later on, and don't want people to drop the show, which I can understand."

I love fantasy, I wouldn't have a preconceived opinion of a show for such a silly reason. I think it's bad because the artstyle is bland, the MC has no personality, the character designs look like something out of a generic Isekai and there's nothing that's drawn me in so far.

Do you want me to pretend I love it, just to satisfy you?

One thing I'm surprised people aren't pointing out is the animation and character designs, the characters look extremely bland, while the animation looks like something you'd see in a trashy Isekai with a sub 6 rating.

LeviathanTheEsp said:


Was it good?

I mean... I don't know anything about it.



Mushoku first episode was kinda bad... and I do like Mushoku.

But really, giving a low score to a show after 1 episode (now 2) is kinda shitty. I mean, I didn't do that even to things like ex-arm...

kriissyy12 said:


So giving a low score is shitty,

kriissyy12 said:

but you scored it a 9 after 2 episodes? Why are you allowed to score it, but I'm not exactly?

kriissyy12 said:

Blah blah blah
I think this show is complete crap, you love it, don't get upset over it.

Dood, you don't really need ufotable to animate something that needs not such animation. The animation is great for what has happened, i.e. the daily lives of the characters, some combat training, some magic training, and that's it.

According to what? I mean you may think they're bland because of how you feel about it, or you could justify it with facts if you think they're objectively bland. I don't expect anybody to complain if you subjectively think they're bland, but if you're stating it as a fact you need to add proof.


Same. You need to at least justify it by showing how you analyzed it (in this case you seem to be presenting it as a fact, and not as you simply disliking the animation).


Your bias is showing (I mean I don't like most isekai, but I have enjoyed a few lately).

kriissyy12 said:
Let me preference this by saying, I'm well aware this is just my opinion and others probably did enjoy the first episode a lot. That said though, I've watched it twice and nothing in that first episode strikes me as something praiseworthy. Which makes me think a lot of the praise the episode is getting is from source readers who know what happens later on, and don't want people to drop the show, which I can understand.

One thing I'm surprised people aren't pointing out is the animation and character designs, the characters look extremely bland, while the animation looks like something you'd see in a trashy Isekai with a sub 6 rating on here, not a highly praised LN.

MeanEYE said:


It's an isekai anime without some of the most annoying tropes that come with the genre. There are no huge tits or constantly screaming MC who is overpowered, goes to school, participates in tournaments, etc. You do see him grow up and he invest real effort into getting better but these parts of the story don't overstay their welcome.

There's also a hint of mystery which we are eager to discover about how he came there or why does he remember his past life. Who are these beings raising him and what happened to his real parents. Why can't any of the characters explain to him why they are training him.

It's no high art, but to me it's refreshing that they are pacing the story properly. Characters are given time to develop. They are well defined and behave like we expect them to. We have a protective mother figure, a scary tough but fair and heroic father figure and a crazy uncle who is little off. There's absolutely no fan service or never-ending number of characters lining up to to give main character a blow job and tell him how great he is (am looking at you Slime reincarnation). Also the setting is somewhat unique. It looks like a post-apocalyptic anime, of which we don't have nearly enough.

Overall it's entertaining without annoying tropes and plot conveniences.

bastek66 said:

That's why it isn't popular. Isekai crowd are selfinsert and/or edgelords who wan't edge, suffering or gratification - overpowered MC with cheat skill and harem of chicks/slaves, for selfinserting.

MeanEYE said:


Yeah, there are plenty of those shows for them. Am happy there's at least something different this season.

kriissyy12 said:


"Something different" creator literally admits this is based off Mushoku Tensei, which is airing.......this season.

MeanEYE said:


Inspired* not based. Even if that was the case, it's sufficiently different. Just like Star Wards were inspired by Kurosawa's movies doesn't make them bad or same.

kriissyy12 said:


He basically admitted it's Mushoku Tensei without the ecchi, source readers have also said it's very similar to Mushoku Tensei.

It's not a bad thing, but it certainly isn't anything different.