86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
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| This might be the best single episode I have seen in years. Usually the plot carries episodes but here everything stands out, animation, sound design, pacing, direction. Really glad this exists |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Changing perspectives from fun moments to sad endings, this show is really fucking our minds. Also with all the things going on, why does it feel like they are not on the same timeline? |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Not a bad show so far, but it doesn't seem like we're gonna get any details or focus on the battles themselves, which is an issue since most of the drama revolves around the character deaths, it just feels lazy to tell us about the deaths without showing us how they happen. Also what's up with the spoiler at the beginning of the episode? It didn't add anything, just made me care less since I knew that girl was gonna die anyway. |
tensai95 said: Inferno792 said: Source readers seem to be in full on rant mode for nothing here. That's source readers for you though. Huh... The only thing that the general lot of source readers are waiting for is spearhead's pov of Kaie's passing. Majority of the rant here is really just people not liking the series. Some source readers here are crying that they fucked up Kaie's death scene when they should be waiting for the next episode. |
Pranavk27 said: I think you guys need to pay more attention . Yes she is their superior but what she has done to earn their respect ? Respect is earned not automatically given .Your superior in military earned their respect . So far she and their other previous Alba commanders has done nothing to earn their respect .They are just sitting in a safe place far from battlefield while 86ers dying on the battlefield and most of them didnt even care about their jobs. He lashed out at Lena not because he thinks its her fault .Lena tries to show sympathy towards them is the last thing they want to hear from their oppressors. Only thing she tried to do so far is talking nice which is not enough show that she is genuinely care about them , at least from 86ers perspective which make her hypocrite (albeit its unintentional) . We as a viewer know that she trying to help them but 86ers doesn't know that .Her mistake was that she should have read the room but instead she tries to show that its her fault when they were frustrated cause of their comrade loss. And as we can see Handlers job mostly to support the unit so its not like that they cant do anything without their support and most Handlers dont even do their job . Spearhead squadron even less need of support considering they already got deployed by the time Lena received signal of enemy attack .Republic is safe because people of 86 is fighting instead of them which make it obvious that Republic need 86 more than 86s need them . Talking about Lena , she wants to help 86s so that no. of casualties can be reduced thats why she trying to know them at personal level and built trust among each other . She is fighting for honor and to protect her country , but she is too naive . That's why her unit told her to quit the job as she is unfit for it and they also fighting only for themselves not for the sake of republic. Funny you are saying this show is for 15 year olds when it has a Seinen tag in various websites . I get what you are trying to say but I still don't understand how the spearhead squadron can be defiant to their commander. I mean let's put aside the hatred and prejudice thing, this still a military organization right ?? Now even if you don't respect your commander, you follow their order and you don't disregard or act with defiant attitudes. Now I know Lena was given this timid personality and how oblivious she is to the reality of what 86ers have endure (maybe to show her flaws) and I know the 86ers hated the Alba so there is no way Lena could have earned their respect... yet. In battles you know people die due to unforeseen circumstances and since Handler job is to provide support, they really can't know what's gonna happen but this is military no matter what the reason is you don't lash out to your superior so what Theo did was very unusual for me. Did he also "lash out" to the previous Handlers or is it just Lena ??? I have no problem with Lena just to be clear (actually I like her) except about stuff about racism and how the Republic military works(or maybe the military is just incompetent, who knows) !!! |
RedChromeApr 27, 2021 1:16 AM
Pranavk27 said: RedChrome said: I get what you are trying to say but I still don't understand how the spearhead squadron can be defiant to their commander. I mean let's put aside the hatred and prejudice thing, this still a military organization right ?? Now even if you don't respect your commander, you follow their order and you don't disregard or act with defiant attitudes. Now I know Lena was given this timid personality and how oblivious she is to the reality of what 86ers have endure (maybe to show her flaws) and I know the 86ers hated the Alba so there is no way Lena could have earned their respect... yet. In battles you know people die due to unforeseen circumstances and since Handler job is to provide support, they really can't know what's gonna happen but this is military no matter what the reason is you don't lash out to your superior so what Theo did was very unusual for me. Did he also "lash out" to the previous Handlers or is it just Lena ??? I have no problem with Lena just to be clear (actually I like her) except about stuff about racism and how the Republic military works(or maybe the military is just incompetent, who knows) !!! Let me ask you one thing. What will happen to you if you defiant to your superior ? Uh punishment or something. If they can be freely lash out to their superior, I wonder why don't the 86ers just rebel or defect ?? |
tensai95 said: RedChrome said: I get what you are trying to say but I still don't understand how the spearhead squadron can be defiant to their commander. I mean let's put aside the hatred and prejudice thing, this still a military organization right ?? Now even if you don't respect your commander, you follow their order and you don't disregard or act with defiant attitudes. Now I know Lena was given this timid personality and how oblivious she is to the reality of what 86ers have endure (maybe to show her flaws) and I know the 86ers hated the Alba so there is no way Lena could have earned their respect... yet. In battles you know people die due to unforeseen circumstances and since Handler job is to provide support, they really can't know what's gonna happen but this is military you don't behave in such way, so Theo "lashing out" to their commander I think is something very unusual. I have no problem with Lena just to be clear except about stuff about racism and how the Republic military works !!! What order is spearhead defying exactly though, it is true that there is a lack of respect at this point however. The only thing would be Undertaker showing off but that's it. Spearhead and lena are trying to do the same exact job (i.e deployment) but it's damn obvious who does it better and is more prepared, so lena has practically been relegated to backend support (Episode 2, Lena was advised to avoid laser commms and it's for a good reason, Shin knows better than her, but she is capable of providing other info such as the repositioning of Gunslinger in this episode). A commander's order isn't always absolute because you're at the rear, someone on the ground has a better grasp of what's going on in general. And when the situation calls you have to make necessary adjustments. Also if you think Theo's case is unusual, Kaie's case would be as well since they're on different parts of the spectrum. And Also regarding the Republic's military Okay technically they did not disobeyed any orders (yet) but I just don't like their attitudes though and yes I know why. Sure not every order is absolute and soldiers do need to improvise depending on the situation. But I do not accept Theo behavior at all !!! Does he do that to the previous Handlers or only just Lena ?? I'm trying to make sense about this whole thing you know, because it's weird that Theo can "lash out" to their commander and nothing happens to him !! I wonder if he can actually do that why not just rebel of defect rather than fighting for a country treats you shit. But as you just said (and now I know) the Republic's military are incredibly incompetent and that's why some like this can happen |
UTMAN said: RedChrome said: Uh punishment or something. If they can be freely lash out to their superior, I wonder why don't the 86ers just rebel or defect ?? There are like 5 people who replied to you, and explained everything. You keep asking the very same thing even though people keep telling you. They are already punished. Expelled into the 86 area. Where you are kept being attacked by the Legion. You cannot really defect, because the legion is still giong to attack and you will die. Where are you going to defect? You can't enter the wall, if you stay the Legion will attack you, and you can't flee, because that's enemy terrority and you'll get yourself killed. So where do you defect? And for rebellion, I don't know. The anime will give you answer. But you need to wait. It's only 3rd episode in a 2 seasonal anime. What did you expect? You start to watch this and the anime tells you anything from the start? There are mysteries, secrets, stuff that not even us the viewers, or characters should know at this point. Keep watching. That's their punishment ???? I thought it's how they are treated, fine I will keep watching it |
| Most non-source reader viewers still think that the Republic has competent or normal military lol Can't be helped because there's no comparison for them to measure how incompetent is the military.[/quote] Yeah it's unrealistically incompetent, they are being attack by Skynet, oh sorry I mean Legion and they can be afford to be incompetent ?? It's just mind baffling |
UTMAN said: RedChrome said: That's their punishment ???? I thought it's how they are treated, fine I will keep watching it Of course. This treatment is punishment. Because they are being different etc. They have been put into life and death situation every day. What's more worse that could happen? Of course lashing out to a commander in a normal army would get you marshal court or punishment. You need to understand this is not a normal army. Like if a random handler would lash out to Lena's uncle, they would get killed. Easy as that. However a 86-er easily can lash out or disobey. You can't do anything. They are miles/kilometers away. They probably won't ever meet ever. Lot of handlers don't even do their job properly. They just watch as the 86 ers die. So after 5 incompetent racist handler they got Lena, who actually gives them advices/orders. This is kinda new to them aswell. Like if you watch episode 1. In the very beginning, durign the battle. that's their 5th handler. If you watch/listen to him, do you think that's okay for a commanding officer to act like that? I understand that you have a lot of questions. I do too. However I'm positive the anime will answer them eventually. Lot of people here who read the Light Novel said that any question we have the anime will eventually give us answers. We will get to know why: - 86 can't rebel/defect - What's this war about Okay I will watch it, thx for the explanation |
RedChromeApr 27, 2021 5:07 AM
| I love how they show off both sides of the conversations that the Spearhead Squadron and Lena have with each other. Man, one of the members that liked Lena died, that scene where she said "I dont wanna die" and then the ending played was really well done, goosebumps all over. Too be honest, I agree with what the 86 person said at the end of the episode, treating them like humans and acting friendly with them isn't the same as them actually being human, she is just pushing it aside momentarily. |
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| That speech at end was brutal as fuck. But really he was right. Our MC is monster. She is baddie. The perfect description of our MC is: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. She lives life of luxury while slave race does battles for her. For her, while she and her kind has discriminated 86s as long as they can remember. She think that acting nice for them makes everything right and her somewhat better person than rest of her kind. Her kind doesn't care what happens to 86. They probably want all 86 to die anyway. Now that she realized what she is, she really has only three options: 1. Continue like before and consciously truly become a human monster. 2. Make suicide and that is just really selfish escape which doesn't solve real problem at all. 3. Revolt against system which probably leads to be branded as traitor or terrorist and ultimate end might be execution or worse. Most people usually always choose option 1. It is interesting to see what our MC is going to do about here. She is very high in power structure that makes her situation more dangerous. 86 view her as enemy and if she tries to change the system then she would be enemy of the state. I'm starting to think that this story doesn't have happy ending for our MC. ;( And frankly I'm not so sure she even deserves happy ending... Naivety is not valid excuse for deaths of people. |
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| That ending tho, holy crap man that was so sad. " I dont want to die...." ;-; The speech at the end was so hard to digest but all the things he said was true from his persepctive since they havent really met a handler who cared about there well begins. |
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| Theoto will be send into a suicide mission for this XD I don't know if insulting the Handler has consequences in this world, but probably. It was another very good episode, too bad 2? teammates died. Lena is probably not good at reading the atmosphere, but I don't think she can do anything from where she is. It's not her fault that 86 has no own terrain maps and that the equipment is outdated. Kirschblüte wasn't good enough for 1 on 1 |
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| I'm still confused about why this is so many talking about it, are light novels so good / masterpiece? |
| The amount of entitled LN tards bitching in this thread is astronomically high lol Anyway, I'm very sad by the death of this girl, she was my favorite next to the silver haired one |
| Damn Kaie.....and it was bound to hit Lena eventually. It'll take more than nice words to fix this. |
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GangstaAkagi said: trash episode, Muv Luv is better in every way I played Muv-Luv Alternative recently.... not really. |
GangstaAkagi said: trash episode, Muv Luv is better in every way Muv Luv??? Oh you mean the one with the silly mix of apocalyptic mecha vs alien war with some fanservice ecchi and romance shit? Yea. Yea I know about it, unfortunately. |
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GangstaAkagi said: Ryuseishun said: surprisingly it is better than this anime.Muv Luv??? Oh you mean the one with the silly mix of apocalyptic mecha vs alien war with some fanservice ecchi and romance shit? Yea. Yea I know about it, unfortunately. I'd wish it was, but it isnt xD |
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| Yep. Anime of the Season confirmed. |
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| Tha ending was lit, did the red haired girl died? would be quite tragic if she did. |
| "Yobai" , the more you know. But the ending man and that OST was so on point |
| Because of how the ost started I thought Kirschblute wasn't dead but when the ost smoothly took a serious turn...I guess Kirschblute is really dead. 86-ers feeling like this is justified. How can Lena change the whole country and stop this discrimination all by herself. She has to find more people of similar mindset or else it'll be impossible. |
| The directing is actually really tight, you can feel it in the small transitions and details. the content is predictable at best but the directing is freshing everything up a bit. Showing only MC in the 'death scene' looked like a conscious decision to accentuate the disconnection between the two parties to me and I think it worked decently well(if slightly short) The actual problem here is that everything feels more like this big construction with a very specific and elaborately built world intentionally designed to produce these kinds of scenes than a sincere full-blown story with actual characters driving the story but this could yet change. |
| This adaptation made me like Kaie even more. I got goosebumps when she said "I don't want to die". Even though I knew what was coming, it still came as a shock. |
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| It was a bit hard to watch the moment Kirschbluete die, and then Theo's understandable yet still unpleasant rant to Lena. As someone who really likes Lena, I didn't like how Theo thought that she was a hypocrite. But at the same time, Theo's hatred is understandable, seeing what they've gone through. I think Theo's rant will make Lena realise something, and will push her on. Towards what, I don't know. |
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| Someone died again and one of them blame Lena for it but we can see 86’s perspective in the next episode if im correct. This anime is good. |
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| Interesting focus on their relationships and conditions, and wow, that post-credit scene was really impactful and shocking, RIP. |
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| I know this is serious war mecha anime but surprisingly low amount of fan-service here, if this is a beach episode, you know how serious the rest of anime is. And choice of reanimating same scene from different perspective, like in the book, just amazing. |
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