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| I remember watching this show with my dad back in the day and loved it. I still like the show a lot, and the death of Nicol and subsequent fight between Kira and Athrun remains the highlight of the show for me. But now that I'm older, and seen some newer anime, damn the animation and the voice acting left quite a bit to be desired! Kira's crying. :| And I also now realise how stupid some of the characters are. Or I guess blinded by revenge or w/e they were fighting for. A nitpick, Chairman Zala could've just called for truce procedures then and there and the result would be the same. About Tori being able to fly about space... Cmon guys it's a gundam sci-fi with giant mecha robot suits and bouncing metal ball Haros. |
| I wish I could move the Gundams (EDIT: to be clear, the mobile suit designs /edit) from SEED to another Gundam. I was about to say that SEED didn't really make me care about most of the characters who died, but actually it's just Flay who I strongly didn't care about so it seemed like more. I actually cared about La Flaga and Badgiruel despite pretending not to. Yes, I did end up saying, "Lol, who? Oh, bye Mu La Flaga," in a dismissive way, but I'm realizing that I even acknowledged his demise and realized what that meant for others-- which made me feel a little something, and that's enough for me. With Badgiruel's death, SEED had my full attention. Now Flay on the other hand, I couldn't help but not care. I just didn't appreciate her arc as much as the other characters I suppose. I felt like for Flay's death, the creators had to remind themselves, "Oh yeah, there was something between Kira and Flay. Let's put that in". I had to ask myself, even after her return and her arc, "Why do I care about Flay again?" I appreciate Dearka and Yzak though. Never forget; two recaps in a row. |
SwiggyDec 7, 2015 10:06 PM
| Welp, finally finished the first season of Seed after dropping it like a year or so back because of its awful story and characters and not sure why I even picked it up again since I now believe this is the worst Gundam I've ever seen, the writing in this both for the story and characters are just awful and felt like almost every character was stupid. Not even sure I want to get into Destiny since I heard it was even worse and I think this is worst.... 4/10 just because I did like the op/ed/music in this and the battles but that's only about it really. |
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| I actually liked it quite a bit. It was far better than Mobile Suit Gundam or Zeta. There were however a lot of annoying characters, a lot of nonsensical battles and decisions, the ending was mediocre (not Zeta bad, but still) and the show was too long for what it did with its time. Was it derivative of older Gundam shows? Yes, but it also managed to be better and improve on those in quite a few ways. Overall one of the better Gundam shows, despite there being some room for improvement. 8/10. |
| Not gonna bother repeating stuff that others explained much better than me in this thread, but this show was very flawed overall despite not being quite as terrible as I thought it would be. Lots of reused footage, flashbacks up the ass, shoujo-tier melodrama (fuck the crying seriously), vague and unexplained elements and a plethora of rehashed ideas that were already used in older (and better) shows. The ending itself was alright but overall I'd say it's not an entry of the franchise I think would be worth revisiting in the near (or far) future. a 6/10 for me, the remaster was at least nice to look at, even though the way it reanimated Nicol's death was retarded. |
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Rei366 said: I mean SEED isn't "bad" per se so you can definitely rewatch if you want. But given the sheer amount of things it straight up copies from 0079 (at least in its first 30 or so episodes) and how little it brings to the table in terms of new ideas you might as well just rewatch the original gundam, in my opinion. x)@Sapewloth So, if I decide to (re)watch this until the end, I will be disappointed as a fanatic of 0079? Or will it still be acceptable? PS: I had lost your track. XD |
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| A great way to end a great series! I love the commentary, morals and amount of good dead people. It really got my heart racing |
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| NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!! She was my most FAVORITE character, I love how psycho, but also how scared and helpless she was. I CRIED !!! I MISS YOU FLAY I LOVE YOU, MAY YOU REST IN MY HEART FLAY MY LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!! <333333333333333333333 |
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Sapewloth said: kind of sums up my thoughts but i think im a bit more postitive on things, cause i genuinly liked kira's inner struggles it was just , like most the show, brought down by shitty directing that used flashbacks WAAAAY too much, but i would say overall i had a much more pleasant experience than i ever expected from it and really had alot of fun these final few episodes especially with the final fightNot gonna bother repeating stuff that others explained much better than me in this thread, but this show was very flawed overall despite not being quite as terrible as I thought it would be. Lots of reused footage, flashbacks up the ass, shoujo-tier melodrama (fuck the crying seriously), vague and unexplained elements and a plethora of rehashed ideas that were already used in older (and better) shows. The ending itself was alright but overall I'd say it's not an entry of the franchise I think would be worth revisiting in the near (or far) future. a 6/10 for me, the remaster was at least nice to look at, even though the way it reanimated Nicol's death was retarded. My big issue with seed that costs it a point, is the villains, they frankly suck and suffers from the exact same problem zeta gundam does. Every single antagonist that has any sense of morality or humanity ends up jumping ship to the greater good force, now at least with seed to its credit i think its villains are way less shit than zeta's and the jumping ship had more development than in that show, and at least the stuff with Badgiruel bieng put against her will against the protagonists was legitimately interesting. I'd be more forgiving of the villains if that blonde bitch and his 3 fuckbois didnt exsist. That and Rau ended up being a really shit villain in the final stretch by turning him into a nihlist but hey at least his final fight with kira was great and I love that he was able to bring out kira's bloodthirsty side, it really offset how much of a saint he became in the 2nd half so it was great seeing him just go full in on wanting to kill someone. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Finally done watching this on remastered version. It's nice to see that the new contents from Special Edition are all here. And hey they used Find The Way again as the finale song. Time to see Destiny remastered version and I wonder what will be the new stuffs there since there are lots of new content on Destiny Special Edition and if they'll be able to put all of those on the remastered version. |
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| Robot bird flying in space by flapping its wings. Sure... I'm glad it's finally over. They could've easily told this story in half the amount of episodes and it would've been a much better show. This way it was slow paced and repetitive. Pretty disappointing overall. 6/10 for me, not going to watch the second season (at least not any time soon). |
| Was Flay a newtype ? lol The series is kinda weak, maybe it's better than Wing (I dropped Wing halfway), but worse than IBO and even 00 (and I don't mention UC Gundams) ... The story idea is quite good but the execution is poor.. Clearly this show targeted really young audiences ... The good points are in Kira and Athlun relationship and also a cool character in Mu La Flaga.. This show was also success in making me really hate Flay in the beginning, but growing sympathyze with her more and more before they killed her without a meaningful reason ... |
Jim_HeartJan 30, 2019 11:34 AM
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| I actually enjoyed this to a certain extent aside from the terrible character designs. There isn’t that much stock footage in the remastered versions. I feel like they’ve could’ve redeemed Flay earlier. I liked how Yzak progressed in the series. Also, the OPs and EDs are as good as everyone says. How did they survived those explosions though????? JizzyHitler said: Sapewloth said: kind of sums up my thoughts but i think im a bit more postitive on things, cause i genuinly liked kira's inner struggles it was just , like most the show, brought down by shitty directing that used flashbacks WAAAAY too much, but i would say overall i had a much more pleasant experience than i ever expected from it and really had alot of fun these final few episodes especially with the final fightNot gonna bother repeating stuff that others explained much better than me in this thread, but this show was very flawed overall despite not being quite as terrible as I thought it would be. Lots of reused footage, flashbacks up the ass, shoujo-tier melodrama (fuck the crying seriously), vague and unexplained elements and a plethora of rehashed ideas that were already used in older (and better) shows. The ending itself was alright but overall I'd say it's not an entry of the franchise I think would be worth revisiting in the near (or far) future. a 6/10 for me, the remaster was at least nice to look at, even though the way it reanimated Nicol's death was retarded. My big issue with seed that costs it a point, is the villains, they frankly suck and suffers from the exact same problem zeta gundam does. Every single antagonist that has any sense of morality or humanity ends up jumping ship to the greater good force, now at least with seed to its credit i think its villains are way less shit than zeta's and the jumping ship had more development than in that show, and at least the stuff with Badgiruel bieng put against her will against the protagonists was legitimately interesting. I'd be more forgiving of the villains if that blonde bitch and his 3 fuckbois didnt exsist. That and Rau ended up being a really shit villain in the final stretch by turning him into a nihlist but hey at least his final fight with kira was great and I love that he was able to bring out kira's bloodthirsty side, it really offset how much of a saint he became in the 2nd half so it was great seeing him just go full in on wanting to kill someone. Yes, screw Azrael, he was just an annoying genocidal maniac. I felt sorry for the druggie trio when they weren’t acting psychotic. Rau wasn’t too bad though. |
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| Suppossedly all the protagonists were meant to die in the original script until very last minute where the actors protested it, I dont know if that was fully confirmed but with that context it does reflect how weird everyone's survival from explosions were in this final episode save for lacus whom im not sure where she'd die, like that whole last scene with kira in space seemed like it screamed death scene. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| With that i have finished this awful show. My goodness this show sure was fustrating to watch. i applaud at Gundam Seed for making me hating and wanting to punch 90% of the cast with the exceptions of Athrun, Lucas, Cagali and Kira ( though he was first one to make me feel like going inside the anime an just punch him until he made the right choice). i also didn't expect Flay to die, i always thought she needed a good lesson as she was the most frustrating character*huh* Well, the ending left me wanting more mostly because it just abruptly ended. i enjoyed it and it turns out it was worthwhile. this was indeed an awful show |
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| I swear to god, I couldn't get any meaning out of what Le Creuset was preaching. Awful and overrated show. |
| Of course they kill Flay, now we can't have a competitor for our pink haired pop Idol mary sue can we? The moment when Kira set foot into Freedom is the moment when show goes downhill Why? because from that moment he is able to fight dozens of enemy's mobile suits without killing them THIS takes away the "ambiguity" and the "cruelty" of war This relieves the protagonist's burden of knowing that he is killing other people in the war, as a result, he stands out from the rest of the people involved in the war Because he doesn't have to deal with the consequences and gravity of the act of killing!!!! THIS MISS THE ENTIRE POINT The Gundam pilot is NOT suppose to be an entity separate from war, BUT A PART OF IT!! If a regular soldier deals with guilty conscience of killing dozens of people Then a Gundam pilot deals with the guilt of killing hundreds! "The one who pull trigger of the greatest weapon, experiences the greatest of suffering and guilt" THAT IS THE CORE PHILOSOPHY OF GUNDAM So what does Seed do? make its main pilot this divine entity who can fight a war without killing, the shows goes out of its way and even revives the Andrew Waltfeld who we all know is a copycat of from 0079 like every single fucking thing in this anime. Like him the purpose of Waltfeld is to humanize the opposition before him all of the people who Kira killed where nameless goons, it is easy to kill people when you do not think of them as people. So here just like 0079 we're shown that Waltfeld is a genuinely good man and we Don't want kira to die right? But that means he has to kill someone Someone he knows Someone who has talked to him Someone he knows is a good person Why? BECAUSE THAT IS WAR! Good people kill each other because they are on the opposite sides. But then what does Seed do? it brings him back from death for no reason. LITERALLY NO FUCKING REASON! "OH NO NO NO WE CAN'T ALLOW JESUS YAMATO TO BE THE KILLER OF FOUR NAMED CHARACTERS. FAST! GET WALTFELD OUT OF THE WRITER'S ASS!" Seed's script is uninspired, cowardice and manipulative, instead of letting the drama to born naturally from the plot around the war, it relies on Shoujo-tier melodrama between characters. Instead of allowing viewers to pick up their own message, it shouts its anti-war voice in their faces. "WOW GUYS! LOOK! KIRA IS CRYING FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME! EVERYONE IS SHOUTING! PEOPLE ARE BURSTING LIKE BALLOONS! SAD POP MUSIC IS PLAYING AGAIN FROM NOWHERE! WOW GUYS, ISN'T WAR A BAD THING???!!!! IS MY VOICE LOUD ENOUGH???? I REPEAT, ISN'T WAR A BAD THING???????????!!!!!!!!!!!" The only time I felt sad was death of a character named Ahmed, he wasn't some grand or complicated character he was just an Arab boy who had a crush on Cagalli and and died in her arms before he could tell her his true feelings. She later took a gemstone from his mother that Ahmed wanted to give her. This insignificant character, who had no effect on the plot, neither when he was alive nor when he was killed...Why is that I saddened by his death but not Tolle's? The answer is simple : because the show doesn't force me to feel sad about Ahmed The same cannot be said for Tolle. When the show screams in my face: YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD! I grab a mental shield and shout: NO, FUCK OFF! NO ONE TELLS ME WHEN AND HOW I SHOULD FEEL! For the first 30 episodes the plot was nothing special. A typical conflict between earth and space. A teenager who was at the right time and place to fight in a war. And the clashes of two forces with each other in the continuation of the story. This storyline has already been narrated much better in 0079. Sٍٍٍeed added its own unique twist to the narrative. That from the very beginning two childhood friends had to fight with each other. And it worked. The clash between Kira and Athrun was the heart of the story's suspense and drama, and it peaked at the episode 30 When they attacked each other with the intention of killing. This final fight worked because everything was built towards it from the beginning of the series. Every encounter that Kira and Athrun had with each other Every fight they did They all referred to the inevitable clash between the two And when each one killed the other's friend, it was confirmed to them too. Both of them should have been killed in that fight and the series should have ended right there. If that was the case, I would give this anime 7/10, good 0079 clone. Another of Seed's faults is how it portrays all the parties except holy Lacus in an In a cartoonish evil way at the end of the series. At one side there is literally motherfucking Ku Klux Klan (Blue Cosmos) led by Azrael, who wants to massacre all the coordinators because he was bullied as a child or something, and the other side we have Patrick Zala who loses his mind at the end of the series and wants to massacre half the population on earth. All of sides must be stupidly evil because otherwise holy Lacus will look like an retarded. The war in the previous Gundams was not something that could be stopped by the slogans of an pop idol and the reincarnation of Christ. Stopping the war required the sacrifice of thousands and the suffering of millions. That was the whole point. "It is very difficult to stop a war, so it's better that we do our best not to start one." Also FUCK YOU FLAY HATERS! The best thing about this anime was Flay's character and the autistic screams of the other viewers about her. SO I RATE "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED" : Flay Allster/10  And yea I'm not gonna watch Destiny. |
TheRestlessOneMay 12, 2021 3:31 PM
| It's long gone but there it goes: Thank you SEED for existing, not only for saving the franchise from the commercial failures of Turn A and After War, also for creating the foundation for a new era of Gundam! My favorite characters were Flay, Athrun, Cagalli and Mu (I liked them even more than Kira, although she also takes credit for a good character development throughout the series). That melodrama worthy of a Korean drama was one of the main reasons why the gundam fandom hates this series, because it is full of boomers and this series is aimed at a younger audience. And that melodrama was the reason I kept watching it. And in the end it is explained why Kira is more skilled than the rest, so those complaints are unnecessary. One of the weak points was Lacus, she is a simple Mary Sue, as a waifu she is very good but as a character not so much, even so she does not hate her it just seems meh. 8/10  |
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AquaAria said: for creating the foundation for a new era of Gundam! Such a shame that Cosmic Era didn't last long... I guess I have to thank Destiny for killing this shit timeline!  |
MadManMad said: Destiny wasn't a big deal after all, but if you think the CE is dead by that, then most AUs are, especially the shit called Turn A. At least SEED and Destiny were commercial successes, catapulting the franchise that Turn A nearly killed.AquaAria said: for creating the foundation for a new era of Gundam! Such a shame that Cosmic Era didn't last long... I guess I have to thank Destiny for killing this shit timeline! In addition, the cosmic era was the longest AU, with 100 chapters, plus some OVAs. |
AquaMercuryMay 13, 2021 12:50 PM
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AquaAria said: MadManMad said: Destiny wasn't a big deal after all, but if you think the CE is dead by that, then most AUs are, especially the shit called Turn A. At least SEED and Destiny were commercial successes, catapulting the franchise that Turn A nearly killed.Such a shame that Cosmic Era didn't last long... I guess I have to thank Destiny for killing this shit timeline! In addition, the cosmic era was the longest AU, with 100 chapters, plus some OVAs. Turn A was great and it didn't kill Gundam. The Kids' taste became shit and they were no longer able to enjoy serious war drama. That's why Seed and Destiny were filled with Muh WAIFU WARS and Melodrama so that they could get the attention of ADHD ridden kids of 2000s. |
MadManMad said: He didn't kill Gundam but left a dying franchise (this is a fact) until SEED came along to save him from his ashes.AquaAria said: Destiny wasn't a big deal after all, but if you think the CE is dead by that, then most AUs are, especially the shit called Turn A. At least SEED and Destiny were commercial successes, catapulting the franchise that Turn A nearly killed. In addition, the cosmic era was the longest AU, with 100 chapters, plus some OVAs. Turn A was great and it didn't kill Gundam. The Kids' taste became shit and they were no longer able to enjoy serious war drama. That's why Seed and Destiny were filled with Muh WAIFU WARS and Melodrama so that they could get the attention of ADHD ridden kids of 2000s. And if I want to see a good war drama I see 0079 and Zeta again, not a series with coherence problems and even more autistic characters. And do not blame the fandom for the incredible success of SEED, or the almost complete failure of Turn A, there are slice of life series that do not happen at all and are very popular, even I am a fan of several; blame your show for not being good enough to attract attention, or are you going to tell me that G-reco is a masterpiece but has that ranking by fandom? XD |
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AquaAria said: MadManMad said: He didn't kill Gundam but left a dying franchise (this is a fact) until SEED came along to save him from his ashes.Turn A was great and it didn't kill Gundam. The Kids' taste became shit and they were no longer able to enjoy serious war drama. That's why Seed and Destiny were filled with Muh WAIFU WARS and Melodrama so that they could get the attention of ADHD ridden kids of 2000s. And if I want to see a good war drama I see 0079 and Zeta again, not a series with coherence problems and even more autistic characters. And do not blame the fandom for the incredible success of SEED, or the almost complete failure of Turn A, there are slice of life series that do not happen at all and are very popular, even I am a fan of several; blame your show for not being good enough to attract attention, or are you going to tell me that G-reco is a masterpiece but has that ranking by fandom? XD The original Gundam was a failure too, it wasn't until the Compilation movies came out that people realized its greatness. The same is true for Turn A, it failed because it was ahead of its time. I haven't watched G-reco yet, we'll see how it goes. |
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| That said, this was an ok series. First 25-28 episodes basically had no plot and, aside from some cool moments, they were also pretty boring and derivative. Second half had a lot of potentially interesting concepts and character devolpment, but most of them didn't get flashed out all. Earth and Zaft leaders' motives are basically "we want to destroy the enemy hurrrr we're envious argghhhh" while some good writing would have explained the roots of their culture clash. Rau was just a deranged Char without anything of what made Char great. Main characters were nice and probably the best part of the show. Kira suffers a bitfrom being treated like a god by the show, but at least his inner conflict was told very well. Athrun and Cagalli are based and one of the best Gundam couples. Murrue, Mu and Natarle were also cool and had decent development. Flay was really peculiar for this kind of semi-shonen anime, but I guess the writers weren't competent enough to make use of a character a bit more complex than usual, so they made her useless after 10 episodes and then shoehorned her in random situations until she died cause drama. In the end I'd give this a generous 7-. Better than Victory and Wing, worse than pretty much everything else. |
Radnitzky1890Jan 25, 2022 2:12 AM
| I'm disappointed that the curtain fell so abruptly, I wanted it to go on. Like c'mon, we all love ourselves some epilogue. Nonetheless, an intense finale that dealt a great amount of emotional damage. I even felt it when Flay died. More so for Kira tbh*shrug* Athrun lost his dad, which was a good riddance. He was still less of a menace to humanity than Creuset the maniac. He went full crazy these last couple of episodes. His mask fell off, literally. Had one hell of a good time with this series. Therefore I'm willing to oeverlook some plot conveniences and stuff that could've been handled better. Same as with ZZ, I'm immune to what gave SEED a bad rep 8/10 Good openings and endings I never skipped. |
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| I liked this more than I expected tbh. One of the better Gundam series I've seen 8/10 |
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| Well, the ending was very weak for me, but this fact didn't change my perspective of the show, and i liked it a lot. I was expecting something awful, because people love to hate on SEED, but i was pleasantly surprised by how much i enjoyed this anime, the pacing was very good, the action and the mecha designs were top tier and i also loved the cast of characters even if everyone seem to hate every character of the show. Definitely Gundam seed Will join my top 10 Gundam shows. Overall 8.5-9/10 |
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| There's a lot of things that I don't like but the main thing is the villains are just so uninteresting. Probably this is the only Gundam that I've with a horrible villain. Yzak still not redeeming himself for killing a innocent civilian. Also how the heck Lacus just suddenly became a captain of a ship, she was a pop idol pacifist prior to that. White tiger became her subordinate, how that happened? It's also confusing how Kira went to space after he fought Athrun. Why the priest knew Lacus know Kira. Seriously a lot of stupidity in this series that i can still mention but I'm just lazy to write all of it. |
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