Kami no Tou Episode 10 Discussion

SoraSenpai said:
Damn a lot of emotions in this episode. Also a lot coming out about some characters.
Hoh's funeral was sort of sad. But made everyone come together. Then they all got trashed off of Sake...I was crying at that scene! Lol

It was nice to see Yuri again though only for a short time.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes.

YuHan is confirmed to be garbage. Like why turn Rak tiny? Why are you helping that Sheep to try to kill Annak and get the swords back?

Story just keeps getting crazier and better each week. They better have Season 2 confirmed dammit. 12 episodes are not enough!

PurpleMario said:
I guess I won't complain anymore about technical issues (that tend to be just meh) or story-telling/world building, because having seen 10 episodes already, every fault that seemed to be for the sake of mistery or because the show was just comencing does not apply anymore. It has a lot of flaws and they (probably) won't dissapear. So my focus in this comment is the one thing that I consider to be by far the most important point at analysing any show: Characters.

God fuck, how poorly written are ToG characters. I'm pretty sure that anyone +3 y/o can write a better character than this. I mean, seariously, no one has any sign of depth. Bam has to be remmembered as the biggest simp in the anime history. Yes, everything about him turns around Rachel, but he can't even do that right, like in the last episode when he almost killed himself in order to protect Endorsi, a girl whom he literally knows for like 2 days or so. And now he is supposed to be affected for the dead of Ho (that he also knows for a few days), the guy that TRIED TO KILL RACHEL. Come on. And the rest of the crew doesn't make it better. Is really everyone so affected for the dead of that guy?? Didn't the show tells ous that the tower is a super dangerous place where everyone can die at anytime? And they do a funeral? Even with the administrators???? They are always saying that the tower is a menace for everyone unless you are super strong or super skilled, but I hadn't sense any kind of threat since the beggining.

I don't want to be tedious, but just a few weeks ago a was considering to read the manga, but with every new episode I lost more and more interest in the characters. So yeah, as I said in my comment of episode 4 or so: in the next episode a meteor could destroy everything and kill everyone and I won't give a fuck.

PurpleMario said:
And yeah, of course all the main cast will pass the test, that has just as much quotas as the crew needs.

PurpleMario said:
And obviously everyone will help Bam in this incredibly dangerous test, because why not. Poor.

PurpleMario said:
I would love to end saying that everyone in this show is badly written, but they seem to be not written at all. No one has a trace of personality, nor common sense, nor anything. They are just there, and in a number big enough so the autor can do anything he wants with them, and thats it.

Vysarine said:


A lot of the lore and terms here are flying a little fast over my head but I'm assuming the Administrator's test is a super secret high-difficulty test you can take instead of the normal one to get a better run up the tower if you pass?

And Khun is conspiring with Lero Ro against the director who's pulling strings for King Jahad to eliminate Bam and Rachel since they're Irregulars and a danger to the tower?

hJ said:
Comic = Hansung Yu is in casual clothes and sleepy mode hence Rak doesn't recognize him and they collide

Anime = Hansung Yu in all Mr. Examiner Getup and Rak bumps in to him

GhostRO123 said:



First off, I suggest you read Kami_sama's post again. He never stated that you should watch "100 episodes" or several seasons for the show to get good, just to wait until the season finale before you make any judgment. Also, I'm pretty sure he didn't say that mysteries = good world-building just that it's too early to decide the execution is flat without even knowing the answers to said mysteries.

Secondly, usually, when you make a claim you provide evidence to back it up. So how exactly does the setting of the show "run on videogame logic?" What's your reasoning?

Until you provide the necessary arguments to support your statements, you have no credibility whatsoever.

Zombiedub said:

Around 480 chapters. 1st season will cover up to around 80

Neostorm-X said:

i could literally say everysingle thing you say about tog about evangelion, how its overrated garbage it tries to be mysterious but it all falls flat lmao,

judging from your ratings and watch history you seem to have a case of adhd where you don't have a single long runing show on your list and only watch already establish short or completed anime and already come in to a show with an already made up mindset, its like you determine weather a show is garbage or a masterpiece before you watch it through the communities consensus, like MUH berserker MUH galactical heros MUH bebop

and also the fact that almost all your shows you listed at high scores are fast paced trigger, gainax studio works which are very short and full of short fights and stuff like dragon ball with huge explosions and overbudgeted works with sasuga animation shows you really just like style over substance.


and its not that all of these shows are bad per say but they are specifically geared towards a certain taste. seems to me you and your hyper adhd would find something like MONSTER, or 20 century boys absolutely appalling because they have slow starts with small details that tie in for a big reveal

HectorBlaze said:
It's a pretty funny episode. I can't stand Rachel, whenever she speak I would to punch her xD

ayaan692 said:
why?
she hasnt done anything bad up till now

dc22 said:


Seing as you have no arguments to defend ToG, better to deflect to other anime heh?

No I don't have adhd. I just don't like wasting my time on exposition heavy shows, unless they absolutely earn it. "Show, don't tell" is better. Style IS substance. Else might as well go read books.

Also couldn't give two shits about "community consensus". Ironically your favorites fall much more into that category.

dc22 said:


We do know some answers already, the reveals were just so flat that they barely count as reveals.

It runs on videogame logic, as opposed to real world or even fantasy world logic, because the tower itself is a dungeon crawler type game, where the player must clear stages, level up skills, get items, spend digital currency. It's not unlike SAO.

dandon223 said:

What random? He was there from the begining. They even hinted something is not right when they told that the Wave Controler is going to arrive 3 days late.

XHellLyterX said:


I mean that we've only seen the character for like 5 seconds in total so this whole reveal is pointless and that the whole scene was poorly done imo. I mean the short test administrator dude just goes up to the furry and says "hey *insert furry's name*, I know you're a spy! Or should i call you *insert random long-ass title that he gives the furry that literally means nothing to an anime only watcher such as myself because this show has done a terrible job at explaining things and providing proper world building*" I just...didn't like it.

But hey, that's just my take ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ashhk said:
So it's obvious that there will be at least a second season ?

PoisonedTea said:


It needs to be payed for but we hope so. It so much better in the second Season.

dandon223 said:


That is because they cut him from few scenes. It is a pity that they want to finish season one with 13 episodes.

XHellLyterX said:


Yeah, that does seem like a shame, though I'm sure things could have been done better if TOG was adapted more appropriately. I believe that an anime adaptation needs to be able to stand alone from its source material so that anime only watchers can still get a good appreciation for it, but to me this show just isn't doing that.

Gorochu said:
Does the part where they drink together and got drunk,sleeping happen in the manhwa? Can't remember.

StereoDissonance said:
I liked this episode a lot more than the last few. It wrapped up loose ends, gave us some more character interaction, and helped explained the far too undeveloped setting. But the episode still wasn't perfectly consistent.

• Firstly, Bam finally talks to Rachael. Not much happened between them, but at least Rachael doesn't seem as obnoxiously cold as before. Bam and Rachael are in serious need of development, and while keeping their current relationship unknown made the small reconciliation interesting, this hurt the prior story.
  
• Serena left soon after we started to understand her motivations. Maybe she found her reason to keep living on after Hoh's death. Unfortunately, I was starting to like her, and she is the best executed character so far.
  
• Royal-Enforcer vs Coffee-Tester showed off their powers, but the "shocking" reveal that Coffee-Tester would help the Royal-Enforcer felt very underwhelming. This show doesn't handle these betrayals or plot twists very well...
  
• What reason does everyone have to be so surprised Bam is an irregular? I certainly barely cared since they hardly explained what makes it so special.
  
• Khun faking that he wouldn't help Bam had 0 believability, it felt like bad writing.
  

Overall, not a bad episode - but the show's inability to setup surprises is laughable.

Ashhk said:
With the success of the first season so far, I'd say that it have high chances to get the second season

GhostRO123 said:


-It is a manhwa (Korean origin) not a Japanese comic.

-I'm pretty sure the show hasn't confirmed yet whether Bam loves Rachel romantically or just as a mother/big sister figure, so until it does your claim about him being a 'simp' remains just that, a claim.

-In the anime, it seems like just a few days, but actually they spend weeks on this floor. I believe that is enough time for them to create some sort of bond between each other, regardless of how big/small it may be. Also, it wouldn't make sense for Bam to get revenge for what Hoh did, given his current personality and the fact that Hoh was also one of the MC's friends so he is pretty conflicted about that as well. The rest of the crew are affected because they knew him, if they didn't they wouldn't really spare a single thought about it since they've already killed plenty before. I mean, you're most likely to care more about someone's death if they were people you knew or close to you rather than if they were to be complete strangers. And the test administrators are just being respectful, they don't really care about it. So this doesn't undermine what the show is trying to tell you about the Tower being a very dangerous place and all that. It actually reinforces that idea by showing you dozens upon dozens if not hundreds of other people's graves. The lack of tension also has to do with the poor directing of the show, in the original story you could really feel the danger of this world especially in the hide and seek test that the anime covered recently.



- Your point? Of course some of them that have the most test points will fill the spots of position test for their class, they were needed to be filled in the first place. The main cast just so happens to be among most of the strongest/talented individuals. It isn't as if they were unworthy to pass this test .



- Most of them don't help Bam in this test out of the goodness of their heart, but rather for the fact that this is a shortcut for them to climb the tower and, provided that they pass the test, they'll be able to skip all the remaining tests on this floor.



That's because the anime did a splendid job in removing nearly all the important lines and dialogues that made these characters interesting in the first place and actually gave them some personalities. Examples of said characters that suffered such a fate would be Khun,Rak,Quant,Lero-Ro,Endorsi and even Bam. Also, the author of the original story has virtually no involvement in the anime, so you can't really blame the guy for the anime's faults, but only the source material ones.




Yes, you're correct about the Guardian's test. And I can't answer the other thing you mentioned without spoilling anything, but you'll find that out soon as the story progresses.

imSOunique said:
It is not like it is a horrible anime, but are they skipping this much stuff, because things are barely making any sense.

Poor freaking Rachel, some people are hating her, I don't quite understand it, she's like the most unfortunate person here. Getting crippled from one day to another messes up people hard even in real life, not just in anime. And what's more people are holding a funeral for the bastard.
"What part of his story makes you think he was a good guy? He literally stabbed me in the back in the middle of a team game?
Rather can we maybe hold a funeral for the poor dudes Endorsi murdered in the same team game, just because she felt like it? They got their teammate turned on them, just like me. Or it happened offscreen so it doesn't matter?
Can somebody fkin push me away anywhere else so I don't need to pretend I care, the genius who designed my wheelchair seems to have forgotten that I might want to move in it, I don't see any way I can move this damn thing myself... "

The dude got confused at the announcement of results was kinda right. So Khun is one of the Lightbearer, Rachel would be the 2nd, but she's disqualified,,, so we'll only have one Lightbearer?? In the first place why would Rachel be the 2nd Lightbearer, she literally didn't do a single thing so far, they always said: "oh she'll fail", and now somehow she's the 2nd best Lightbearer?

The girl from the very first episode is climbing the tower since forever. Her team (why are there 4 of them in the team?) apparently is apparently killing monsters and shit, Bam's team had no such tests, they only had to pass some forcefield, then open a door and they were all set. Are you sure you aren't lost? Are you climbing the right tower?

Apparently talking rice cake and man with the bigger anaconda are conspiring against the Jahads to steal their swords. I guess they are pretty valuable, funny thing the girl in ep1 gave it away like it was nothing. And in what way did it further the progress of the grand plan that poor girl Rachel got stabbed?

So it isn't a horrible anime, but consistency sure isn't one of its strengths.

PurpleMario said:

Ah, one last thing.. A few weeks ago someone told me that Bam and Rachel couldn't talk to each other freely because if anyone gets to know that they were acquaintance, they would both be kicked out of the tower, and now everyone knows and talk about that and nothing happens... JA!, JA JA JA!, JA JA JA JA JA!!

PurpleMario said:

1. In case you don't know, the word "manwha" is just the "corean pronunciation" of the japanese "manga". I'm not an expert of linguistic, but is like saying that the japanese "sankyu" is a different word from the english "thank you". So there is no real difference between manga (japanese), manwha (corean) or manhua (chinese).

2. I don't care if Bam wants to fuck Rachel or not, my complain is that he has no personality at all, is the cliche of a "hero". All he wants to do is whatever Rachel wants, but he has no problem in sacrificing himself to protect someone else, even if that means he will not see Rachel again. It would be much more interesting if he couldn't recognize bad from good or if he was ready to sacrifice others (like Endorsi) to be with Rachel again. I can't believe I'm saying this, but even Yuno Gasai is better written than Bam.

3. Again, I'm not complaining about what the manga does, but about what the anime does. They have been in this floor for weeks? Ok, but in the anime it doesn't look like that, so my complain is still on point. It could have been fixed with something very, very simple. Put a screen with "2 months later" or something and I'll get that they know each other for a while so they are now "friends". A 2 seconds strategy and the character development would make much more sense.
The administrators being respectful? In a place where you are supposed to accumulate an incommesurable amount of corpses sounds weird at best. They are administrating a deadly game, so showing "respect" to your own victims (even if they don't kill them directly) is stupid. Am I supposed to believe that they assisted every funeral in the tower? When they had no problem with someone killing like 400 guys in one day? (episode 3 or so)
And no, Bam has no personality, and if he had any struggle with his feelings about Ho, the anime didn't show it at all. He was like "Oh, my man Ho is dead, how sad... well, is anyone hungry?" He wasn't angry enough, but wasn't sad enough either.

4. My point about everyone passing the test is that I don't feel any sense of difficultness (is that a word?). It would be much more interesting if, at least ONE of them failed. If, for example, Anaak failed, I would understand how stupidly strong Endorsi is. But no, everyone who failed the test is people that I don't know nor I care. It would also help to character development that the core group lose a "close friend". So if the anime gives me 10 important characters and there are only 10 spots available, I think it is pretty obvious, and because of that pretty boring, that all the 10 important characters will fill those spots.

5. I got that, I can read. That doesn't change the fact that everyone will help Bam in his journey. Again, no one seems to be "thinking". It might make sense that horribly strong characters like Anaak or Endorsi will help him because they trust in their own strenght. Rak and Khun are understandable too as they are his teammates. But the rest will seriously risk their lives in an God-level test to just "skip some floors"? A test they know nothing about? With an "irregular" that, for some reasons, seems to be a menace? The "skipping floors" reason sounds more like a cheap excuse. Agan, poor.
And now that I mention it, they administrators didn't know that Bam is an irregular?? Seriously????

Ah, one last thing.. A few weeks ago someone told me that Bam and Rachel couldn't talk to each other freely because if anyone gets to know that they were acquaintance, they would both be kicked out of the tower, and now everyone knows and talk about that and nothing happens... JA!, JA JA JA!, JA JA JA JA JA!!

CodyII said:
As a reader, probably the worst episode so far.

Shinuki_n_Reborn said:


Maybe readers should get a grip and stop being so annoying comparing each second of a anime adaptation with the original, also learning how some of the best scenes in this episode weren't even in the webtoon, the studio is doing a good job.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
No, Endorsi especially wouldn't humiliate herself by getting drunk in an orgy!