5-toubun no Hanayome Chapter 114 Discussion

shanimebib said:


I am not sure if you are going to read through this all but I have my points.

I know why many manga fails to deliver after an arduous serialization. I have already said that Negi was suffering from burnt out syndrome in the forums. It was around a couple of months back in an interview where he specifically said that he is envious of long running shounen and really admires the mangaka who have maintained long serialization. It was then some people in /a and /r speculated that the manga will be ending abruptly and that's what has happened.

It was also evident in the later part of the manga where some panels became sloppy compared to the previous ones.

He also took what is apparently the safest route. Miku fans wanted it to be Miku, and the worst case scenario, Yotsuba. It was the same for the Nino fans. Miku and Nino fans were always at the odds with one another. The debates are everywhere on the internet. Even in 5ch.

I was one of the first ones who said "Yotsuba Confession >It was a lie >A bad liar" means the confession was real and it will play a big role later. It was also the reason she was my second fave from the early chapters and I myself said I would be okay if it was Yotsuba even during the sisters war arc although by that time the manga had already started to lose all the good things it had worked on and I was readying myself for disappointment. But I was not expecting this retcon of retcons. Yotsuba should have won because of Yotsuba of the present. Not because of the Yotsuba of the past. Him telling Yotsuba being there from the start left a sore aftertaste because Miku and Ichika both accepted him and were cooperating almost from the start, especially Miku, not even having the knowledge of Fuutarou being Fuutarou - a boy from the past, an advantage Yotsuba had over the others. This is where I am super major astronomically pissed.

And yes, I agree that it was the shortest possible route. But it just somehow connects to the tweet Negi made 5 years back when he had only few K followers that childhood friends never win. It makes me think that there is a possibility that he actually wanted it to be Yotsuba (OR whoever it would be revealed as Kyoto Girl later, which eventually turned out to be Yotsuba and hence Yotsuba) all along but was just not sure how to get there or ran out of steam.

And IF the editor clouded his judgement than I pity him as an author. No one could change Wakaki's decision of the end girl. He stuck with very low popularity but managed to put a single panel that changed a large number of fans' opinion, maybe he could not change their favourite girl into the end girl but left them with the reason to be able to accept the end girl. Because he managed to show what was Keima going through. Negi did something fro Fuutarou? Nope. He turned him into an a$$hole. I cannot believe he decided on Yotsuba yet had that conversation with her on the bus. Are you being serious? Fuutarou turned out to be worse than Raku. And I mean it when I said it.

I will bring Bokuben here again. And I can assure you, if Uruka wins (and I am 90% positive that it will be her), I will be able to defend her being the end girl. Yotsuba fans cannot defend her. They are being massacred by Miku and Nino fans left and right all over the internet be it a/ r/ or 5ch.

Anyways, tl;dr I am just so, so very disappointed. :(

Mei-o_Scarlett said:

Mean it's /a/
But yes they are

Supersky said:


can you send recent videos of them burning their volumes please over the new chapters? I need to laugh my heart out since it's been broken by this stupid writing

Mei-o_Scarlett said:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av77824279
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485899587576659980/651287494180077579/1575349273373.png

Devil_Slayer said:


Holy shit it's real....

shanimebib said:


I am not sure if you are going to read through this all but I have my points.

I know why many manga fails to deliver after an arduous serialization. I have already said that Negi was suffering from burnt out syndrome in the forums. It was around a couple of months back in an interview where he specifically said that he is envious of long running shounen and really admires the mangaka who have maintained long serialization. It was then some people in /a and /r speculated that the manga will be ending abruptly and that's what has happened.

It was also evident in the later part of the manga where some panels became sloppy compared to the previous ones.

He also took what is apparently the safest route. Miku fans wanted it to be Miku, and the worst case scenario, Yotsuba. It was the same for the Nino fans. Miku and Nino fans were always at the odds with one another. The debates are everywhere on the internet. Even in 5ch.

I was one of the first ones who said "Yotsuba Confession >It was a lie >A bad liar" means the confession was real and it will play a big role later. It was also the reason she was my second fave from the early chapters and I myself said I would be okay if it was Yotsuba even during the sisters war arc although by that time the manga had already started to lose all the good things it had worked on and I was readying myself for disappointment. But I was not expecting this retcon of retcons. Yotsuba should have won because of Yotsuba of the present. Not because of the Yotsuba of the past. Him telling Yotsuba being there from the start left a sore aftertaste because Miku and Ichika both accepted him and were cooperating almost from the start, especially Miku, not even having the knowledge of Fuutarou being Fuutarou - a boy from the past, an advantage Yotsuba had over the others. This is where I am super major astronomically pissed.

And yes, I agree that it was the shortest possible route. But it just somehow connects to the tweet Negi made 5 years back when he had only few K followers that childhood friends never win. It makes me think that there is a possibility that he actually wanted it to be Yotsuba (OR whoever it would be revealed as Kyoto Girl later, which eventually turned out to be Yotsuba and hence Yotsuba) all along but was just not sure how to get there or ran out of steam.

And IF the editor clouded his judgement than I pity him as an author. No one could change Wakaki's decision of the end girl. He stuck with very low popularity but managed to put a single panel that changed a large number of fans' opinion, maybe he could not change their favourite girl into the end girl but left them with the reason to be able to accept the end girl. Because he managed to show what was Keima going through. Negi did something fro Fuutarou? Nope. He turned him into an a$$hole. I cannot believe he decided on Yotsuba yet had that conversation with her on the bus. Are you being serious? Fuutarou turned out to be worse than Raku. And I mean it when I said it.

I will bring Bokuben here again. And I can assure you, if Uruka wins (and I am 90% positive that it will be her), I will be able to defend her being the end girl. Yotsuba fans cannot defend her. They are being massacred by Miku and Nino fans left and right all over the internet be it a/ r/ or 5ch.

Anyways, tl;dr I am just so, so very disappointed. :(

Mattinator95 said:


And how was fuutoru turned into a ass

Devil_Slayer said:


Why fans attacking Fuutarou now? It's not like he can.bang them all.

Mei-o_Scarlett said:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av77824279
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485899587576659980/651287494180077579/1575349273373.png

PokemonArk said:

Feels as though Negi wanted to kill off Miku's character a bit. Like how she is lumped together with Nino as sidekicks. The swimming pool and in the classroom where they hugged

nyariko said:


Exactly my thoughts. Yotsuba winning here felt completely logical to me. Just because other girls like 2 and 3 put in more "effort" doesn't mean they somehow deserve to win Fuu more than anybody else. Yotsuba was the first one to accept him when he became their tutor and was constantly supportive of him throughout the series without being overbearing or pushy. Also, it didn't really feel like any of the others really considered his feelings when they, you know, kissed him and all that. I don't even think Fuu knows or would even care that she was the childhood friend. If anything, I think having him fall for the same person two separate times makes it all the more compelling.

EDIT:
Extra thought - I don't think the "childhood friend" trope even matters in this context. Of course, as of right now, we don't know whether Fuu knows she's the first girl or not, but I find it difficult to say that Yotsuba being the first girl is a main reason as to why he fell for her.

0seveN said:
Same here, Hardwork doesn't matter in this case,But people just didn't like 2 or 3 just by seeing them hard working.... e.g many people love 3 bcoz she is the cutest of all the 5s

TsukuyomiREKT said:
The amount of whining from entitled crybabies in this thread is ridiculous.

Congintive said:


Oh, then would u happy if Rui lost?

TsukuyomiREKT said:


No, but I wouldn't be whining about it and suddenly shitting on the series and the author herself. I also wouldn't be acting like the author's vision for the story should be ignored and it should be altered just because I want it to be different. Just like with DomeKano, this isn't my story. The author can do whatever they want. No one has the right to tell them what they should do with THEIR story. It's ok to be disappointed or a little frustrated, but the way some people are acting here is beyond childish.

TsukuyomiREKT said:
No, but I wouldn't be whining about it and suddenly shitting on the series and the author herself. I also wouldn't be acting like the author's vision for the story should be ignored and it should be altered just because I want it to be different. Just like with DomeKano, this isn't my story. The author can do whatever they want. No one has the right to tell them what they should do with THEIR story. It's ok to be disappointed or a little frustrated, but the way some people are acting here is beyond childish.

TsukuyomiREKT said:


No, but I wouldn't be whining about it and suddenly shitting on the series and the author herself. I also wouldn't be acting like the author's vision for the story should be ignored and it should be altered just because I want it to be different. Just like with DomeKano, this isn't my story. The author can do whatever they want. No one has the right to tell them what they should do with THEIR story. It's ok to be disappointed or a little frustrated, but the way some people are acting here is beyond childish.

spiked_spiegel said:

Authors do change their story based on their readers. Akira Toriyama wanted Gohan to be the star of Dragonball after the Cell games(hell he killed off Goku just to do it). So many readers complained that Goku was gone that he just decided to bring back Goku rather than continue Gohan's story. Just because the author has that idea at the start doesn't make it a best one either. Look at How I met your mother. The writers had the original story mapped out from the beginning but by the time they did make the final episode 8 seasons later it was just stupid that Ted picked Robin. So many other things happened to all the characters that that ending made little to no sense and it has gone down as one of the worst tv show endings of all time.

Congintive said:


Im not disappointed that he chose Yotsuba but more like why he chose her I mean where the fuck she was this whole time aside from flashbacks or some very and I mean very few moments whereas Miku and Nino got a ton of development only to end up like that sorry dude but he really did them dirty and his manga too.

spiked_spiegel said:

Authors do change their story based on their readers. Akira Toriyama wanted Gohan to be the star of Dragonball after the Cell games(hell he killed off Goku just to do it). So many readers complained that Goku was gone that he just decided to bring back Goku rather than continue Gohan's story. Just because the author has that idea at the start doesn't make it a best one either. Look at How I met your mother. The writers had the original story mapped out from the beginning but by the time they did make the final episode 8 seasons later it was just stupid that Ted picked Robin. So many other things happened to all the characters that that ending made little to no sense and it has gone down as one of the worst tv show endings of all time.

AZY-sama said:
welp,this confirms it, another waifu wars lost, Nino and Miku baking the wedding cake

Negi is just butthurt cuz childhood friends lose all the time smh, he's also a hack js

lowkey still hoping for 5 alternative endings

let's hope at least Tsutsui makes best girl Fumino win

crimson_fukr said:




Also, if these airhead authors stop decorating their work with stupid red herring panels which DOMINATE THE WHOLE SERIES and actually develop a goddamn material for their end game pairings maybe a lot of their audience wouldn't be demanding too many answers.

The fact you authors will have to convince everyone to justify your decision reflected how poorly you did your work. The manga was literally 70% Miku, Nino and Snakechika drama 20% of Rena and Bell kissing BS and 10% oh shit I'mma convince my audience now that Yots should be the one Fuckaroo wanted was too comical. LMAO.

Off to read Maid-Sama and Love so life to DELETE this trash. But Yotsuba fans, I'm happy for y'all. I didn't hate her, she never pissed me off like some quints, but i honestly think she could have used more Miku and Nino's panels from the get go.

I'm out.

Shirai-chan said:
Welp it was already obvious that Yotsuba will be the winner since the start. Like she's the one who's getting less limelight and she helps her sisters with Fuutarou instead herself. That's how it goes in anime lol

spiked_spiegel said:

Yeah i agree with most of your thoughts too. It seemed like there was much much time spent on Miku/Nino/Icika and very little on Yotsuba. I think if Yotsuba had as much development as the others rather than a few chapters at the end I would have felt she had more of a stalk in Fuutaro picking her. It seemed like she was always a buddy or secondary character, almost like Raiha.
To me it just seemed like she wasn't as invested as the others if Fuutaro picked her or not she was happy with everyone getting along the entire time.

FMmatron said:


Let me celebrate with you.

Primarily I'm just glad that all the smug fanboys got wrecked with this chapter.

Ghiugghio said:
Am I the only one who didn't forget how Fuutarou told the girl of his childhood (It was Itsuki dressed up at that time) how he was past her and while he was thankful about their past he was over it? How come did it get backtrack to Yotsuba? Reaaaally didn't like how random the choise was. All the character progression was basically useless since he started by falling in love with ONE OF THEM and even though he got to know them all and frankly spent most the time with anytone but HER he chose Yotsuba regardless because HEHE YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE xd. I'm sorry i really loved the series up until now but i really would have been fine with anyone BUT Yotsuba, since it makes the least amount of sense. Maybe it's late to say it, but that's just what i think no hate <3

Arikuto said:


As stated by a lot of people, Fuutarou STILL doesn't know that Yotsuba is the first girl. I repeat, AS OF CHAPTER 114, Fuutarou still doesn't know who Rena truly is.

Perhaps skipping parts while reading is not a good idea, dude. Go read slowly and in details before you're making up theories.

TRio18 said:


I think what he mean is Yotsuba has the advantage of childhood memory. Since she knows him, she always stick close to him, hence she became the first one to confessed and date. But she has not enough character development and in term of character chemistry, so she is being end girl a bit lack luster.
And beacuse of her lack screentime, Futarou reasons to choose her a bit lacking.

Arikuto said:


Not enough character development and screentime are the acceptable arguments used by Miku and Nino fans, and I don't have any problem with that.

As for Fuutarou's reason why he choose Yotsuba, for me it makes sense. Fuutarou said it himself that she "always stick close to him" just like you said which, if you put yourself on Fuutarou's shoes you should understand the logic behind it. Yotsuba always supported Fuutarou in his difficult situation which makes it normal why Yotsuba is so special for Fuutarou in this case.

What Ghiugghio said however, only implied the ONLY REASON why Fuutarou choose Yotsuba was because "hehe you were the first one" while Fuutarou himself still doesn't know fuck all who the first girl is, and he doesn't care anymore about the past.

Mattinator95 said:



Miku and nino have hardly had any development ether though . Didn't Ninos stop when she confessed and Miku as been called a doormat since she had to have all her sisters helping her at one point until she actually confessed herself recently

Arikuto said:


Not enough character development and screentime are the acceptable arguments used by Miku and Nino fans, and I don't have any problem with that.

As for Fuutarou's reason why he choose Yotsuba, for me it makes sense. Fuutarou said it himself that she "always stick close to him" just like you said which, if you put yourself on Fuutarou's shoes you should understand the logic behind it. Yotsuba always supported Fuutarou in his difficult situation which makes it normal why Yotsuba is so special for Fuutarou in this case.

What Ghiugghio said however, only implied the ONLY REASON why Fuutarou choose Yotsuba was because "hehe you were the first one" while Fuutarou himself still doesn't know fuck all who the first girl is, and he doesn't care anymore about the past.