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Apr 13, 2019 9:24 AM
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Interesting, we got to see more of Satowa this episode. Quite a confident girl with a reputation because of her family heritage.

She and Chika seems to have some rocky interactions so far lol. Oh well. No doubt she has passion and talent in koto though.
Apr 13, 2019 9:24 AM
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Kurata had to a stage performance for the school to attract some new members. Clearly he's too nervous, lol. But we finally get a bit of Koto music in this episode, only for a bit. We also get to meet two-faced Houzuki. A prodigy at koto, but is planning on using the club for her own benefit. Kudou has anger issues and all, but he's got good intentions, trying to fix those koto instruments and all.

Only one chapter adapted in this episode, so the pacing is still on-point.
Apr 13, 2019 10:10 AM
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Another member joins but her personality is rather hard to deal with.
She does know how to stand her ground tho and she knows how to play people around her finger, meaning she knows when she needs to be nice.
So far the characters seem interesting and it seems like a combination which doesn't work that well together.
But that's one of the things that has made this interesting so far.
Apr 13, 2019 11:13 AM
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And this ladies and gentlemen is why anime, from time to time needs ugly bastards, to teach cocky girls proper manners. I usually don't mind bossy female characters (anime medium is full of them anyway) but, this in particular pissed me like a lot.
Apr 13, 2019 11:46 AM
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And this ladies and gentlemen is why anime, from time to time needs ugly bastards, to teach cocky girls proper manners. I usually don't mind bossy female characters (anime medium is full of them anyway) but, this in particular pissed me like a lot.

There's a whole lot going on under the surface with her that will be explored, but it's very much worth it in the end. That glance away from granny as she was recognized by her was not subtle.
Apr 13, 2019 11:50 AM
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lot going on under the surface with her that will be explored

Well yeah, kinda figured that out myself. It usually is like that with characters like her.

Not saying i hate her, she just seems annoying at first glance.
Apr 13, 2019 12:01 PM
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i cant keep waiting another week im just gonna read the manga smh
Apr 13, 2019 12:10 PM
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Swagernator said:
And this ladies and gentlemen is why anime, from time to time needs ugly bastards, to teach cocky girls proper manners. I usually don't mind bossy female characters (anime medium is full of them anyway) but, this in particular pissed me like a lot.


ikr? sometimes i like these kind of cold and bitchy character even more than the main ones, like Satsuki from KLK or Kyouko Kouda from 3-gatsu. yet i don't feel this one, or at least for now
Apr 13, 2019 12:30 PM
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So, a new character! She seems quite two faced haha...well, I think she's nice. The anime is slowly building up.
Apr 13, 2019 12:43 PM

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According to ANN and Anilist, this is the directors first ever anime... And it's really showing. The pacing for everything is so, just... weird, and it's a mess tonally. The way it goes from happy and jokey to serious and emotional, and the way we get to and from certain scenes, everything just feels really off to me. Nothing is landing, and nothing is really gripping me. It sort of feels like this show keeps trying for things that it really just hasn't earnt yet. That and it's intent on telling everything rather than showing... With even the most obvious of stuff.
For example when Kudou was in the classroom with Houzuki the following day and it has to replay Houzuki's words (that we'd heard literally less than a minute before, in the very scene it's referencing) in the form of his thoughts when he goes to confront her, despite already establishing to us that he's troubled and mulling over those words by that scene with his friend Tetsuki after school (played just 20 seconds before...). This is so... Wasteful? Stupid? Annoying? And the show has been littered with dumb decisions like this so far. And I haven't even started on all the tired, uninteresting tropes it's using (that guy outside the repair shop was awfully convenient to explain absolutely everything..)

I don't know why they'd hand such a popular/highly rated manga adaptation to a complete beginner (at least in animation), but there we go. The story has at least got my interest though even if the presentation really doesn't, so I'll continue at the moment just to see how that develops, but I am getting tempted just to put the manga on PTR and drop this.
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Apr 13, 2019 12:55 PM

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Another character joins the Koto club, Satowa.


Apr 13, 2019 1:24 PM

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Oh Hozuki the Koto prodigy arrives and she isn't the one who would take shit from a Yankee like Chika, and too bad for the Yankee cu'z he met his match.
Apr 13, 2019 1:27 PM
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According to ANN and Anilist, this is the directors first ever anime... And it's really showing. The pacing for everything is so, just... weird, and it's a mess tonally. The way it goes from happy and jokey to serious and emotional, and the way we get to and from certain scenes, everything just feels really off to me. Nothing is landing, and nothing is really gripping me. It sort of feels like this show keeps trying for things that it really just hasn't earnt yet. That and it's intent on telling everything rather than showing... With even the most obvious of stuff.
For example when Kudou was in the classroom with Houzuki the following day and it has to replay Houzuki's words (that we'd heard literally less than a minute before, in the very scene it's referencing) in the form of his thoughts when he goes to confront her, despite already establishing to us that he's troubled and mulling over those words by that scene with his friend Tetsuki after school (played just 20 seconds before...). This is so... Wasteful? Stupid? Annoying? And the show has been littered by dumb decisions like this so far.

I don't know why they'd hand such a popular/highly rated manga adaptation to a complete beginner (at least in animation), but there we go. The story has at least got my interest though even if the presentation really doesn't, so I'll continue at the moment just to see how that develops, but I am getting tempted just to put the manga on PTR and drop this.


I think it's much better to read the manga anyway because of the art itself, and it's quite obvious to the source readers that the direction is subpar compared to the presentation of the manga.
Apr 13, 2019 1:28 PM

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Still not really feeling it. Nonetheless, I liked the episode overall and I'm interested to learn more about Satowa's true nature.

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Apr 13, 2019 1:35 PM

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And this ladies and gentlemen is why anime, from time to time needs ugly bastards, to teach cocky girls proper manners. I usually don't mind bossy female characters (anime medium is full of them anyway) but, this in particular pissed me like a lot.


Not from time to time, but any time man. I would love to give her a proper slap in the head with this koto thing. Too bad that i have to drop this just because of this kind of character cause i fuckin abhore them. Adios.
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I think it's much better to read the manga anyway because of the art itself, and it's quite obvious to the source readers that the direction is subpar compared to the presentation of the manga.


True, but I definitely prefer the animated medium of storytelling to manga so it's a shame. The voice acting and music for this show at least don't seem too bad. Kinda.
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Apr 13, 2019 1:47 PM

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I don't like the way she just judged Kudou as a delinquent like Takezou at first and the others, and their first contact wasn't really friendly, but I like the main girl. The three of them have assertive personalities and strong feelings when it comes to playing the koto, so there was a clash, just like when Takezou and Kudou met for the first time. But by the end of the episode she had already realized that Kudou is a honest and straightforward guy, and that Takezou might just have what it takes to go far too.

I love how Kudou was the one who asked the principal to fix the instruments from the club, and how he persevered to be able to help in fixing them. What Houzuki said to him stung, so he felt like he had to be acknowledged, he really wanted to have the "right" to play the koto. I don't like how he just "accepted" as a fact that it was his fault when it wasn't, but "all is well that ends well". I can't wait to see the reborn club with these three at its helm.
Apr 13, 2019 2:13 PM
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This was enjoyable and quite interesting episode for me and found it better than the first episode in some way around especially less original scenes this time. Everything went upto the mark what I wanted to see and had me good smile throughout the duration but except the animation have been hit/miss for me sadly damn..
Also nice to hear Koto sound :)
Apr 13, 2019 2:43 PM

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I feel like ever since watching Kaguya, the amount of kabedons I've seen have increased.

Anyways, I know they need to spice things up but hoping the rest of the new members aren't as annoying as the current ones when they join the club.
Apr 13, 2019 2:58 PM

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I so want to enjoy this adaptation for its own merits but the tone shifts, art and directing aren´t helping at all.

Oh well at least we got to hear a bit of koto being played, which made the episode better than the previous one. Can´t believe I am even saying this since the pacing was fine, but hope they increase it a bit on the next episode, otherwise the development bits in the later stages will be butchered.


Apr 13, 2019 3:17 PM

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Character dynamics are already great. I just want more of this series, now!
Apr 13, 2019 3:21 PM

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So we got a loser megane, a delinquent who is a tsundere that is a lot like Bakugo and a plastic who fakes her personality when facing different people, looks like this will be a great anime
Apr 13, 2019 4:20 PM
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Gado d+

I still don't know what to think about this anime. The characters reactions are too childish for the thematic of this show.
Apr 13, 2019 4:58 PM

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how many tsundere characters do we have in this show
Apr 13, 2019 6:36 PM

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I don't know what or who was that girl's attitude suppose to amuse, because I for one hated it! This was the worst attitude I've ever seen in anime, damn bitch needs a slap. I usually don't mind when guys get bullied by girls for comedy but Kudo didn't deserve it, a person like that shouldn't have been let into the club.

Maybe the writers thought this was going to amuse us or maybe people in Japan like this sort of shit. It doesn't make it right no matter whom it's targeted towards. Hate the character already and the four eyed guy, hate the route the show is going.

Lame episode.
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Apr 13, 2019 6:41 PM

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Swagernator said:
And this ladies and gentlemen is why anime, from time to time needs ugly bastards, to teach cocky girls proper manners. I usually don't mind bossy female characters (anime medium is full of them anyway) but, this in particular pissed me like a lot.


Not from time to time, but any time man. I would love to give her a proper slap in the head with this koto thing. Too bad that i have to drop this just because of this kind of character cause i fuckin abhore them. Adios.
I don't blame you at all, this character made me want to break that koto onto her head. Even when she played it I wasn't impressed because her stinking attitude was in the way.
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Apr 13, 2019 7:13 PM

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This might be the surprise show this season for me, can see the potential to really like this as it goes on.
Apr 13, 2019 8:43 PM
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Good chapter
The first impression Housuki gave me was "That b * tch is crazy" xD, but I guess she has that attitude because she has not interacted or worked as a team with other people before. It's great to have a beautiful prodigy in the club for a change, but that arrogant attitude must change.

Kudou is a good guy, it must have been hard to hear that he did not have what was necessary, but he did not give up "I said I will and it will be like that" 👏.
Psdt: Something tells me that Housuki's father, mother, grandfather or grandmother was one of the founders of the school's Koto club.
Apr 13, 2019 9:08 PM
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I almost forgot Satowa was quite annoying early in the series.
Apr 13, 2019 10:54 PM

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Hmmmm... I feel weird watching the 2nd episode. The 1st episode was not that bad but after watching the 2nd, i notice that there's kind of something wrong with how the story is presented. It's like the direction of the story is not impactful enough to keep me glued. The transition of each scenes seems to be sort of rushed maybe. Anyway i can't really exactly pinpoint what's wrong but overall, i have to say that this is not interesting enough to keep me going. But i am patient so i will give it more episodes. At least the voice acting is not bad.
Apr 13, 2019 11:38 PM
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I have seen some people to drop the show because they hate some character and it let me think that people really like a character doesn't have any flaw at all but actually the point of this anime (if following the manga) is character development , at least with the manga it successfully make me to love a character once I hated. Satowa here is rude I agree but that's what most people do which is judge other people by reputation if they are not familiar with the people. We know kudo is nice but that does not mean satowa must also know that. It is not like I say satowa is not faulty though.
Apr 14, 2019 1:35 AM
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Though Takezou tried his best too bad his performance wasn't that impressive in the eyes of the school. Still to think that it actually managed to net the club a new member though. Satowa though sure had a multi faceted personality though despite her initial actions. Still this personality of hers sure is proving to be the perfect counter to Chika. The nationals sure ended up provoking some complicated feelings in Takezou. Chika deciding to help repair the Koto's and in the process do what his gran tried to teach him in the past was quite the surprise. An excellent and surprising fun ep that while introducing the character of Satowa also used her effectively to impart changes into both the personalities and the motivations of both Takezou and Chika.
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Apr 14, 2019 2:38 AM

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This was lovely episode. Takezou was so nervous about his performance, poor guy. So wonderful that all of them helped to repair Koto's.
Apr 14, 2019 2:42 AM

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Good episode; This reminds me how much Satowa annoyed me before becoming one of my favorite characters. It's really silly to drop a show based on character development because of hating a character from her first appearance.
Apr 14, 2019 4:13 AM
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Good episode, nice to see the introduction of Houzuki, i can't say i've the greatest fan of her personality however.
Apr 14, 2019 4:47 AM

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I hate myself and gave it a second chance to this series. I do admit that this was a much better episode, but it's still pretty lackluster. It bugs me the heck to see empty hallways everywhere the guys go in that school. And it's so dumb that every single character that doesn't belong to the Koto Bu will immediately be a douche (like, why do they have to make the Light Music Club guys be douches for no real good reason). The new girl does inject some fresh blood to this dying club with a very high bar and someone to actually wear the pants. Sadly the humor is still pretty stale and quite inapropiate based on timming (along with Kudou being relegated to being a bad copy of Kyou from Fruits Basket) along with the piss poor animation.

At least it made add the manga to my PTW list, maybe I'll give it a try in a near/far future.
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I really like Hozuki as an addition to the main cast; she's so ambitious and confident and pretty savage where Chika is concerned haha

These episodes are so damn wholesome... they make me feel all warm inside haha
Apr 14, 2019 6:19 AM

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I don't like Satowa for some reason. It's not that she's good at Koto she just rubs me the wrong way. There's just a lot of negativity in a club that was on the boarder of being disbanded lol. Hopefully the people who join next week will brighten up the club.

Also can Kurata makes some friends? Jesus lol.
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Apr 14, 2019 6:24 AM

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Melodrama is still a bit overpowering at times, but big improvement from first episode
Apr 14, 2019 6:43 AM

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I feel like the glasses-guy will slowly disappear and be replaced by the violent guy as the main character.

I don't understand music, so I didn't find the girl's music beautiful at all. I don't know what I am supposed to look for to judge music.
Apr 14, 2019 7:12 AM

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Oh my... that melody was so beautiful! As much Kudo doesn't want to admit it, he seemed really moved by it and wanted to catch up to her somehow ;) but avoiding and keeping it a secret from everyone else for that long even a full week wasn't a good idea. Very suspicious!

Nice episode! Guess there will me new members joining the Koto Club. Can't wait to see them :3

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So it really is just a shoujo series. One-dimensional, cringe-worthy male characters acting like little bitches make it impossible to watch. Writing wasn't as bad as in the first episode but it's really hard to get any worse, so it's not much of an improvement. It's just another title showing that Amano and Arakawa are (one hit wonder) exceptions... I'm out of here, slapping yourself in the face is more enjoyable than watching this piece of shit.
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So it really is just a shoujo series. One-dimensional, cringe-worthy male characters acting like little bitches make it impossible to watch. Writing wasn't as bad as in the first episode but it's really hard to get any worse, so it's not much of an improvement. It's just another title showing that Amano and Arakawa are (one hit wonder) exceptions... I'm out of here, slapping yourself in the face is more enjoyable than watching this piece of shit.


>stereotyping shoujo series

Just when I thought posts here can't get worse.

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@Digitalexile Cry me a river. It's not stereotyping but calling out cliches. Just as an average shounen rom-com often have cookie-cutter female characters catering to little boy's fantasies, shoujo series usually have awfully written male characters catering to female fantasies. It's just a difference how these cliches are handled and how often you see exceptions. This comparison doesn't look good for shoujo...
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@Digitalexile Cry me a river. It's not stereotyping but calling out cliches. Just as an average shounen rom-com often have cookie-cutter female characters catering to little boy's fantasies, shoujo series usually have awfully written male characters catering to female fantasies. It's just a difference how these cliches are handled and how often you see exceptions. This comparison doesn't look good for shoujo...
Um, this isn't even a shoujo to begin with. It's shounen.
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@Digitalexile Cry me a river. It's not stereotyping but calling out cliches. Just as an average shounen rom-com often have cookie-cutter female characters catering to little boy's fantasies, shoujo series usually have awfully written male characters catering to female fantasies. It's just a difference how these cliches are handled and how often you see exceptions. This comparison doesn't look good for shoujo...


>catering to female fantasy
>serailzed in Jump SQ shounen and is one of the top manga there for males section(because flawed male characters actually undergo development unlike people crying here why they are one-dimensional in a single episode)


And you managed to post an even worse one where everything is wrong including calling this series shoujo, with generalization of shoujo("usually", when shoujo like Nana exists). And then compares with Amano Kozue and Arakawa who wrote different types of shounens, lol. Seriously, these posts are so ignorant that I don't even know where to start.
The whole post is hilarious, in fact. Maybe look at @papsoshea's post to actually analyze a series episode properly with its themes.

Maybe MAL should include a feature someday to report for uninformed posts, I will find it helpful for sure just looking at these discussions.


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This series is definitely a bit of a slow build which means its big strength is going to be in numbers, cast-wise. And the performance side of it has to, by nature of the premise, start from something very modest in order for its growth to pack a dramatic punch. Takezou and Chika were established very strongly and their chemistry together was fireworks right from the get-go. And we can't forget what Tetsuki adds (that loyal big bro type of character with the great advice).

In this episode, another member is added to the cast, enter Satowa Houzuki! Satowa seems to be a crucial member here in all respects, not least because she’s a prefab koto genius from a notable family – she represents the refined fulfillment of the art right from the get-go, in a club full of amateurs. I have a similar vibe from her that I felt from Chika in episode 1 and she could well enough be a main protagonist in her own right. So far, Kono Oto Tomare! is interesting in the cast structure, in that all three of the mains seemingly fill the protagonist role at different times (I'm making a big guess here, and if this is the case, I welcome it).

I am already a fan of Satowa's seiyuu in Atsumi Tanezaki, she plays the sharp-tongued tough girl to any extreme you’d like, and she leaves no doubt that she’s a formidable customer. Her act when she thinks there might be female sempai in the club totally fools Takezou, and is quickly shed when it’s no longer deemed necessary. What I liked about Satowa’s introduction is that, tactless as it was, she was totally honest and up-front about what her goals where. And from her perspective, Takezou and the club win big too just by having her around. I also think it said something notable about her that she put the tattered “Aim for nationals!” sign back up after seeing what it meant to Takezou.

An emerging dynamic here is that Takezou is the club leader but lacks confidence, and his two subordinates are a professional-level koto player and a boy far tougher and more decisive than he (and I am sure he is also experienced). How does he stay relevant in such a situation? Satowa and Chika also immediately butt heads, unsurprisingly, both being as strong-willed as they are. There is a dance of opposition and harmony here, the chemistry between the cast is going to grow into something truly special. There’s also a larger theme of what it means to be an artist coming through, and it’s an important one with this series. Where does the line between ambition and ability lie, and how much does each contribute to achieving artistic greatness?

After hearing Satowa play, Chika acts to save the club by begging the principal to have the damaged kotos repaired. That moment was about the potential it represented for the club. He knows virtuosity on the koto when he hears it and knows what it could mean for the club – the doors it could open. He acts on his own and in secret but nonetheless, he acts. And Satowa sees herself as being the one to drag the club to first place at the nationals, so in her mind, she’s a solo act too. But that’s not how clubs work, and it’s not how performance groups work either, which is a lesson both will have to learn if they’re going to grow both as people and as performers. In the end, all members help to repair the damaged kotos.


Best post till now in this whole subforum, just wish people actually tries to analyze a series properly rather than just dislike a flawed character.

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Still not really feeling it. Nonetheless, I liked the episode overall and I'm interested to learn more about Satowa's true nature.


I know that the presentation of anime is making it difficult for people (reason why I advice people to go for manga, it's highly rated here and in Japan too for a good reason), but Satowa's true nature was hinted. It's just that the anime failed to convey it properly.
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After watching this episode I can understand why some people find Satowa annoying because of her attitude but in my honest opinion she is exactly what the club needs to get off the ground. Ever since the previous members graduated the club has been in total chaos with no real leader to help motivate it. Of the three new members, Satowa is the only one who actually takes it seriously. Granted, she's a prodigy and her expectations are high but you can't really fault her for that seeing how she takes great pride at being a koto player.

In addition, Satowa strikes me as a "no nonsense" type of person. Her attitude and the way she treats the others, especially Chika, may seem rude and offensive but that's actually what I like about her. She doesn't beat around the bush or make excuses, she gets straight to the point and lays it out there. Sometimes the only way you can motivate someone is by getting in their face and telling it as it is even when they don't want to hear it.

Kudo and Chika are too caught up in their pasts. His weak resolve is one problem yet even bigger is Kudo being scared of losing the club and breaking the promise he made of keeping it going but this has come as major distraction to both his skills as a koto player and his ability to make the big decisions for his club. Chika on the other hand carries the guilt of letting down his grandfather and he hasn't been able to come to terms with it. What they both lack is the motivation to improve themselves and not let their pasts get to them, which is where Satowa comes in.

Now, from we've seen in both the OP and in a scene with Satowa, it seems she has some kind of past with who I'm guessing is her grandmother. However, unlike the other two, she doesn't let it get to her and instead uses it as motivation to achieve her goal, and that is to one day reach the nationals.

At the end of this episode, all of them are beginning to learn and starting to come together. Kudo was moved by Satowa coming to his defense when the light music club started bullying him which motivates him to start being a more responsible club president while Chika starts taking responsibility by helping repair the broken kotos after hearing Satowa's beautiful performance. Satowa herself also learns that she was little too harsh on them due to having performed by herself this whole time and not with anyone else. She decides to a little more nicer to her club members while still aiming for the same goal, the nationals.

Overall, I think this episode was a big improvement from the first. It's given me a reason to care about it so I'm curious to see how it goes from here.
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Finally we got to hear some koto music! Even if only for a short time it was still enjoyable. I'm not a fan of the attitude of new girl but hopefully she will change as the story develops. Loving this anime so far.
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Still not really feeling it. Nonetheless, I liked the episode overall and I'm interested to learn more about Satowa's true nature.


I know that the presentation of anime is making it difficult for people (reason why I advice people to go for manga, it's highly rated here and in Japan too for a good reason), but Satowa's true nature was hinted. It's just that the anime failed to convey it properly.


I think I got the hint( I also read chapter two afterwards). I still had the impression this episode merely scratched on her character, there's obviously still a lot more to explore and to flesh out. Types like her are really interesting and have usually the most rewarding character moments along with gratifying development, especially when it comes to relationships or interaction with others in general.

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An emerging dynamic here is that Takezou is the club leader but lacks confidence, and his two subordinates are a professional-level koto player and a boy far tougher and more decisive than he (and I am sure he is also experienced). How does he stay relevant in such a situation?
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Well put. An important component of this is that Kurata Takezou WANTS to stay relevant, due to his promise to the sempai who graduated. In the first episode, even though he cringed and cowed he still got the tough guys to leave the club room, so he does in fact have a fair amount of courage.

As far as Houzuki, I don't find her attitude all that terrible. She speaks her mind, stands up to bullies, and if a guy gets in her face she kicks him in the bozack. She's maybe a bit too blunt (especially in the Japanese culture), but she did, for example, put up the torn sign again when she saw how much it meant to Kurata. Hopefully she'll be a team player as the show continues; I'm guessing that'll be a big part of her character development.

Personally I'm really digging this show. I get what people say about the animation, but this isn't exactly a battle anime. I didn't notice that the pacing was off, until I saw it mentioned here (but I kind of see what they mean...). But I'm really looking forward to the rest of the series.
...but then again, I unironically like Warau Salesman.
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