| What MyWayHighWay says is true, but I do feel it was pushed a bit far in the animation, and is the reason a lot of people wrote this off as fanservice. |
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| Yeah, it's just you. |
| Its teen romantic drama, of course there must be a "sexual struggle". |
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| Judging by the complete failure of a top review on the front page, I'd say you're not alone. Regardless, as I've said countless times, it's not the writer's fault if someone doesn't like a particular kind of content; it's simply not a series for you. |
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ArtyWolve said: What MyWayHighWay says is true, but I do feel it was pushed a bit far in the animation, and is the reason a lot of people wrote this off as fanservice. Yup, that's my take on it too. Apparently the author wanted it to be like that for the anime. Don't know why though. |
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| I can definitely see why someone would feel uncomfortable over those scenes, but in the context of the series it does make some sense. Mei and Yuzu are both in that stage of their lives where the concept of love is still very new to them. Mei is a broken girl who has father issues and who isn't familiar with expressing love or affection, and Yuzu is discovering her sexuality. For them both, it is a very new experience, and they're expressing it in a way that may not seem normal. I think, as their relationship develops, they will begin to express themselves in more natural ways. I'm currently reading the manga and their relationship feels alot more natural now, and I think I can see where the author is trying to go now with their relationship. |
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| It's not just you. It bothers many people, myself included. Anime and manga have a bad habit of romanticizing sexual assault, especially between non-hetero people. This wouldn't be as much of a problem if there were more counter examples of non-hetero people not being sexual deviants without self-control. Shows like Citrus perpetuate some bad stereotypes. If only there were more stories like Aoi Hana... |
| Nope. I don't get triggered by cartoons. |
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Kittens-kun said: Nope. I don't get triggered by cartoons. lol sniff sniff I smell bait that's going to trigger someone when you said cartoons hahaha. |
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| That's why I dropped it. Unhealthy relationship with dubious consent, gay or not, being represented in this one. |
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| Just watch Sakura Trick. citrus isn't supposed to be a charming romance, if it makes you uncomfortable, that's the point. It might come across as fan service-y, but that's just because anything remotely sexual in the anime industry is dismissed as fan service these days. |
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| NO, it is just you That scene was necessary and it makes me feel better. |
| I agree with you, Mei is kinda rapey, and not to forget the scene with her and the vice-president... |
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| I get the feeling non-consensual stuff happens a lot in yuri and yaoi in particular. I haven't seen much straight anime where one of the leads would straight up start groping them and not be called out for it, at least not as explicitly as in Citrus. Meanwhile on yaoi end you have stuff like Junjou Romantica of which very first scene you see is practically rape. Then again, romance is not exactly my strongest genres, so counter-examples might exist. (Not counting hentai in this) I wonder why the audience tolerance for sexual abuse seems to go up when the characters are the same sex... |
| Just once I would like to see a proper relationship portrayed in yuri/yaoi. One without one side forcing themselves on the other with zero consent. What's so wrong with girls falling in love with girls and having a mutual relationship? Why does it have to be gross and rapey? |
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NthDegree said: I wonder why the audience tolerance for sexual abuse seems to go up when the characters are the same sex... I figure because homo relations are still kind of taboo, the authors may as well include their own mild rape fantasies in them (I remember reading somewhere that a large percentage of women fantasize about being raped -don't quote me on that). Also the power dynamic is different to a het relationship. The man can overpower the women whether she likes it or not, and generally has higher social standing/ value (especially in Eastern countries). But in a same sex relationship, both are equal. If a partner wants to resist physical contact it is much easier. |
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MHEEC said: because crying about sexual assault in every single episode discussion isnt enough If there is a sexual assault every episode, I think they might have a point lol. |
| no, it is not just you but it doesn't bother me much. |
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MHEEC said: it would make sense if it did, but guess what, it doesnt because everything is sexual assault, right? people need to understand that shit like making eye contact with a woman while scratching your balls isnt rape (yes, ive heard that before) I'm not completely up to date with the series, so I'm not gonna start arguing you about the entire thing, but at least the first couple of episodes seem to have them. |
| Haven't seen this series but, I did watch Oniisama e and there is plenty of objectionable content in that. And I loved that just fine. It isn't what you do it is how you do it that always matters to me. Sailor Moon as a college student dating a 14 year old. Twice. Evangelion has sexual tension between a 29 year old and a 14 year old. And it also has rapey scenes. Manga has different issues with consent but always issues with consent. And there is incest. Then you have shit like.... a teacher and a 4th grader in Card Captor Sakura. There is a title in top 50 where a woman fucks a wolf guy. You could say Rose of Versailles has child abuse in it, because her father hits her (in first episode). There is this one anime where this guy thinks he is god and kills lots of people with a notebook because he thinks he is justice. I donno. I think that is kinda morally objectionable. There is also this one anime rated 10/10 on OP's list where a 19 year old kisses a 12 year old. by force. I donno. I thought that was wrong. Gainax really has a thing for sexually assaulting young boys... But will say again- it isn't what you do, it is how you do it. |
Energetic-NovaFeb 11, 2018 7:11 AM
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MHEEC said: Energetic-Nova said: if you technically analize some works like neon genesis evangelion, you find that its filled with some nasty shit like paedophilia, adultery, depression, suicide, mutilation and blasphemy. yet its considered one of the best shows ever made, because people got the point of the show instead of picking those separate elements out of context just to point it out. people nowadays are too oversensitive to anything, so many of them are uncapable of comprehending that some actions may have another reason to be done other than just being nastyHaven't seen this series but, I did watch Oniisama e and there is plenty of objectionable content in that. And I loved that just fine. It isn't what you do it is how you do it that always matters to me. Sailor Moon as a college student dating a 14 year old. Twice. Evangelion has sexual tension between a 29 year old and a 14 year old. And it also has rapey scenes. Manga has different issues with consent but always issues with consent. And there is incest. Then you have shit like.... a teacher and a 4th grader in Card Captor Sakura. There is a title in top 50 where a woman fucks a wolf guy. You could say Rose of Versailles has child abuse in it, because her father hits her (in first episode). There is this one anime where this guy thinks he is god and kills lots of people with a notebook because he thinks he is justice. I donno. I think that is kinda morally objectionable. The reason people don't complain about that is because in Evangelion the situations are treated with appropriate weight, instead of glossing over or excusing them. Just having serious or disturbing situations doesn't make any series good or bad. It is about how those situations are handled. @Energetic-Nova Btw, the animes you seem to have forgotten the names of are Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki and Death Note. |
NthDegreeFeb 11, 2018 7:23 AM
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NthDegree said: MHEEC said: if you technically analize some works like neon genesis evangelion, you find that its filled with some nasty shit like paedophilia, adultery, depression, suicide, mutilation and blasphemy. yet its considered one of the best shows ever made, because people got the point of the show instead of picking those separate elements out of context just to point it out. people nowadays are too oversensitive to anything, so many of them are uncapable of comprehending that some actions may have another reason to be done other than just being nasty The reason people don't complain about that is because in Evangelion the situations are treated with appropriate weight, instead of glossing over or excusing them. Just having serious or disturbing situations doesn't make any series good or bad. It is about how those situations are handled. @Energetic-Nova Btw, the series you seem to have forgotten the name of is Death Note. I know it is death note. XD I only have a poster on my wall yet rated it a 6 because I am annoyed by people who hate Misa so much but they just might feel competition for Light's cock. No idea. But anyway, why does FLCL get away with an adult kissing a 12 year old? It wasn't treated with any sense of seriousness. yet, adult forcibly kissed 12 year old and it was all funny. It was "glossed over". But if you exaggerate to the point of absurdity nobody will take it seriously and it will be like Bugs Bunny did it. #besttrap. |
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Energetic-Nova said: NthDegree said: The reason people don't complain about that is because in Evangelion the situations are treated with appropriate weight, instead of glossing over or excusing them. Just having serious or disturbing situations doesn't make any series good or bad. It is about how those situations are handled. @Energetic-Nova Btw, the series you seem to have forgotten the name of is Death Note. I know it is death note. XD I only have a poster on my wall yet rated it a 6 because I am annoyed by people who hate Misa so much but they just might feel competition for Light's cock. No idea. But anyway, why does FLCL get away with an adult kissing a 12 year old? It wasn't treated with any sense of seriousness. yet, adult forcibly kissed 12 year old and it was all funny. It was "glossed over". But if you exaggerate to the point of absurdity nobody will take it seriously and it will be like Bugs Bunny did it. #besttrap. Idk, haven't seen it. |
NthDegree said: Energetic-Nova said: I know it is death note. XD I only have a poster on my wall yet rated it a 6 because I am annoyed by people who hate Misa so much but they just might feel competition for Light's cock. No idea. But anyway, why does FLCL get away with an adult kissing a 12 year old? It wasn't treated with any sense of seriousness. yet, adult forcibly kissed 12 year old and it was all funny. It was "glossed over". But if you exaggerate to the point of absurdity nobody will take it seriously and it will be like Bugs Bunny did it. #besttrap. Idk, haven't seen it. It is also by Gainax, with character designs by Sadamoto. XD OP rated it 10/10. |
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MHEEC said: NthDegree said: again, missing the point. its easy to claim something is glossed over or excused when someone completely misses the point or doesnt have enough infoThe reason people don't complain about that is because in Evangelion the situations are treated with appropriate weight, instead of glossing over or excusing them. Just having serious or disturbing situations doesn't make any series good or bad. It is about how those situations are handled. I have seen the first two episodes of Citrus though, and can say that they did have sexual assault in them. What kind of backstory there is doesn't matter. Yuzu didn't give her consent and therefore it's sexual assault. As for why I claim it was glorified is because it had no consequences and the way it was shot was quite fanservicy. Not that fanservice is bad in itself, but if it is used together with sexual assault it does give the impression it is being glorified. As for the rest of the story, I can't comment on it for obvious reasons. |
NthDegreeFeb 11, 2018 8:12 AM
| "You Pc bro? The women totally need a consent form. "- PC principal I feel like you're being to sensitive about this. |
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Botan-Chan45 said: "You Pc bro? The women totally need a consent form. "- PC principal I feel like you're being to sensitive about this. Me? Sensitive? Pfft. I'm simply explaining the reasoning, since MHEEC did not seem to understand what makes the people, including the OP of this thread complain. Since it seems like a lot of people do find it objectionable I think it is indeed worth looking into. That being said, I'm not too bothered by it personally. Of course, I would find such behavior unacceptable irl, but I don't really care if it's just a story. However, it's not like I can't understand why there are people who can't enjoy it and I do think their complaints have merit to them. Not that being sensitive is a bad thing, but I do think it is a bit funny you consider me that way. |
| You aren't alone. And the reason for this is that these scenes are given a far more predatory vibe in comparison to the manga for no discernable purpose other than to titilate the audience. In the manga it's less forceful and merely intended to be a shocking moment of intimacy, hinting towards Mei's sexual depravity. In the anime, however, the director decided to make them more explicit and prolonged which does no favors to the story at all. When Mei gets a feel of Yuzu's ass for five whole seconds out in the open in front on numerous other students, it's hard not to wonder how it goes so unnoticed among outside witnesses as opposed to when she makes physical contact with Yuzu and simply takes her phone like in the manga. This is one of the fronts where this adaptation has let me down quite a bit, and the manner of which the director decided to portray these scenes is proving to be a detriment to the reputation of this series as a whole. |
AltoRoarkFeb 11, 2018 10:01 AM
MHEEC said: i wonder how all those pumpkins that keep barking "that was sexual assault" would feel in a time when stealing kisses was normal like, 15 years ago, before most of them were even born LOL .... I am 27. I do think if someone says no to kissing them, pulls away, or you know, other indications they don't want to be kissed that are fairly obvious... including being #tooyoung probably sexual assault. But, it isn't real. I like plenty of stuff with straight up rape in them. and personally I laugh at the entire anime base for their hatred of cheating used in dramas. XD |
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AltoRoark said: You aren't alone. And the reason for this is that these scenes are given a far more predatory vibe in comparison to the manga for no discernable purpose other than to titilate the audience. In the manga it's less forceful and merely intended to be a shocking moment of intimacy, hinting towards Mei's sexual depravity. In the anime, however, the director decided to make them more explicit and prolonged which does no favors to the story at all. When Mei gets a feel of Yuzu's ass for five whole seconds out in the open in front on numerous other students, it's hard not to wonder how it goes so unnoticed among outside witnesses as opposed to when she makes physical contact with Yuzu and simply takes her phone like in the manga. This is one of the fronts where this adaptation has let ne down quite a bit, and the manner of which the director decided to portray these scenes is proving to be a detriment to the reputation of this series as a whole. This is exactly what worried me about the adaptation of a yuri made for guys. :/ I so far haven't really liked many yuri in this artstyle. Because they all have this really sleazy camera.... And tries so hard to say THIS IS SEXXXXY. But since I am prepared for it, I think I hate the shows less now than when I watched Sakura Trick. lol. I don't need that. I would rather it not be sexy and just 100% dramatic. To be clear, I saw a preview for it, and yeah, I was like #nope. but, I wont say it is bad. Just will appeal to others who want that sort of thing. |
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MHEEC said: NthDegree said: we understand why people complain, its just really annoying that people simply miss the point or straight claim baseless shit like they know whats gonna happen, like that guy that literally watched 2 episodes and wanted to lecture people that actually read the manga on how to see the work (in his words, an excuse for rape and stockholm syndrome). we are not asking much, we just want people to wait for more development or actually read the manga to know why they did what they did and what that meant to that person doing that.Me? Sensitive? Pfft. I'm simply explaining the reasoning, since MHEEC did not seem to understand what makes the people, including the OP of this thread complain. Since it seems like a lot of people do find it objectionable I think it is indeed worth looking into. That being said, I'm not too bothered by it personally. Of course, I would find such behavior unacceptable irl, but I don't really care if it's just a story. However, it's not like I can't understand why there are people who can't enjoy it and I do think their complaints have merit to them. Not that being sensitive is a bad thing, but I do think it is a bit funny you consider me that way. its not about being sensitive, we are supposed to feel uncomfortable with some things because its meant to be that way, its about being oversensitive (like claiming that shou was raping yuzu at the end of episode 5) Surely you understand that they have the same right to express their dislike for certain aspects of the series as you have to express your like. A person is allowed to like parts of the show (which is why they keep watching) while disliking the others (and thus complaining). @Energetic-Nova I agree about the sleazy camera lol. I also think it's probably one of the major reasons people feel uncomfortable watching this. |
| Some people call this sexual abuse/assault ?! It does not look like one to me. I thought sexual assault would be something more violent and it has to cause some real damage for the victim (mentally or physically). I don't see any of that in the show and there was no harm caused to anyone, and both of the two love each other anyway. People these days make a big deal out of anything sexual. |
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