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KinetaNov 23, 2012 9:23 AM
| What is Shounen Bat? The urge to kill oneself, or escape from reality? |
| Hmm, so when does Shounen bat decide to kill and when not to kill? The first few are survives but now he kills everyone? |
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| Shounen bat is an imagination. At least, that's what I think. I don't think that anyone was actually attacked by a person, but they imagined shounen bat. They actually attacked themselves, or some crap like that. The ending animation look weird. What's up with the matches? They showed it a few times, but is it supposed to be really important? |
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| That Maromi thing seems like a bad omen. Anyway what the hell is going on? Shonen Bat could just be an illusion. |
| He didn't kill her because she chose not to give in to insanity. |
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AlexSadist-sama said: That Maromi thing seems like a bad omen. Anyway what the hell is going on? Shonen Bat could just be an illusion. |
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| Shonen Bat kept on growing when she got more upset, right? So does he represent depression, or wanting a way out? |
 If you don't remember something, it never happened. If you aren't remembered, you never existed. <3 |
| from that episode it just semt that lil'slugger got stronger the more upset she got, but then whenever she talked about the good things, he stopped, almost getting angry that she was thinking happy thoughts.... the vibe im getting is that he isn't even real, just basically people inner concious fighting with themselves, and when they loose touch of reality or get upset or depressed and such, thats when he seems to come.... as a way of escape, but really there just escaping from themselves... thats my view anyway! |
| That was a great episode. This episode the phenomenon "shonen bat" gained a whole new meaning. While he did relieve his victims from their burden it was only a temporary act. They could escape from reality but it was not a real solution of their problem. It's remarkable that the detective's wife was the only one who didn't succumb to the temptation despite her physical illness and decided to face reality no matter how harsh it may seem. |
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Animatronix said: The ending animation look weird. What's up with the matches? They showed it a few times, but is it supposed to be really important? The ending animation was in an older style (and so were the clothes, kids, cars, stores) to go with Ikari's wish to go back to a simpler time, the time he wants to escape to when it was a "cops and robbers" age, and that's his ideal instead of where he is now, with crime being complicated, not as black and white and clear cut, done by kids, a new (scary, crazy) age. The matches I'm not as sure about, but I think are similar. In the other episode where he first finds them, he and his partner talked about how no one really has nice, old matches like that anymore. Maybe another cry for the past? Quality matches? That's just my take on it, so far. |
| She's mentally strong, unlike the others. (that's if Shonen Bat is actually an illusion) |
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| i was wondering when they were gonna get around to that lil plushi thing... if ya remember the beginning you see it talking to sagi a few times, but not much since lol and when she started laughing at him, priceless lol and no reaction to the swing either lol |
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| This was a hell of a lot more interesting when there actually was someone going around hitting people with a baseball bat. Now its just stupid and boring. |
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| I really admire Ikari's wife. She's very strong, even though sometimes she has to fight the loneliness of not seeing her husband much while he was a detective. She was able to make logic out of negative situations and rely on their loyalty together to pull her through tough times. I'm eager to see how the conclusion of this anime~ |
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| Well that as a nice long monologue. |
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| She is so strong, keep fighting the frustrating thing, and lil slugger make it concrete. She wins this time, but are you sure that she won't collapse someday? |
YangbojianJun 18, 2013 7:17 AM
RedFlameHaze said: This was a hell of a lot more interesting when there actually was someone going around hitting people with a baseball bat. Now its just stupid and boring. yeah I think so too... it started off like a real mystery where you wanted to know who shounen bat was, but him being just an illusion is way too easy as an explanation. smells a lot like deus ex machina |
RedFlameHaze said: stupid and boring. |
| The fact that shounen bat is an illusion doesn't explain why the fake shounen bat died; he was in no position nor state of mind to commit suicide in a jail cell. |
nep-nepJun 17, 2014 9:29 PM
| This was a rather slow episode actually, with two episodes left I wonder what's next! |
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| The man that told his wife that they'd "face reality" together now drifts away himself... Great episode. Contrasts between the wife's idealistic words about her husband and the real truth. To be honest, they're both at fault. The wife's devotion is beautiful, but she has to realize that her husband is not perfect, and that she has an opinion too. The husband just has to appreciate his wife more, not through empty words alone, but also with his time and actions. Interesting to see how Shounen Bat interacts with the wife. He's unable to act due to her strong desire to wait for her husband, no matter how long he takes. At this point, I'm pretty sure Shounen Bat is simply an illusion people see when they want to "escape reality" due to his prevalence in the media. I'm still having trouble deciphering Maromi's purpose in the story, despite the fact that she's present in all the episodes and mirrors the theme of escapism and "rest." |
alpir said: RedFlameHaze said: stupid and boring. |
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Cnon said: alpir said: |
| so because she had 'mental strength' shounen bat didn't get her? okaaay |
| Now THIS was the kind of episode I wanted. More focused on the main plot, or what little is left of it. I didn't realize that the seemingly-homeless guy was the young ex-detective. It is beginning to look like he really did lose his mind. The last few episodes were about random people, some of whom got affected by Shounen Bat. I'm also a tad confused as to why he's killing people now, unless in the previous episode, the man did all of those murders, even the one where he thought the woman was sleeping, and perhaps he remembered it incorrectly. |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| So Shounen bat is depicting depression... that's interesting. |
| Shonen bat is the very urge to give up on life itself. That's been presented in this episode with the women who sometimes lost hope and let negative thoughts attack on her but she never gave up completely together with her husband, that's why they were able to overcome any hardships and also find the reason to continue living. Very beautiful. |
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| At the beginning of the episode, people were talking about how Shounen Bat has grown. They said he's not a child anymore. He's a big massive man with muscles and a distorted, scary face, etc. I think this indicates that his legend is growing and, therefore, giving him more power. He feeds off the negativity of humans and is growing stronger...and as he grows stronger, his legend increases that much more...self-perpetuating cycle. That's why he grew so much when he was about to kill the detective's wife. She felt all that negativity and he was feeding off of it...but then she denied her desire to end it all and, even though the negative feelings were still there, she defeated him by resisting that urge. I dunno...just a theory. |
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Treefingers said: He didn't kill her because she chose not to give in to insanity. i agree with this. from the beginning i figured that shonen bat wasn't a real person, rather a figment of peoples paranoia |
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| Much like other episodes, this episode started off with the anime created last episode finally airing. A very interesting episode. Not everyone loses to Shounen Bat. The twist in which she turned out to be the Detective's wife was good, but the bigger twist was what happened to the younger detective, imho. |
| Made a pretty nice cameo, if I do say so myself. Finally, I think the story is getting back on track. Most comments on this one agree Shounen Bat is an illusion, but I'm still not 100% sold. It's interesting how not only do the victims relate to each other somehow, but they all seem to have a connection with Maromi, too. I guess Maromi makes a good metaphor for Shounen Bat, showing that something one person dreamed up can become so widely known. That supports the idea that S.B. is an illusion, I guess...though I get it could also mean that S.B. became real much like Maromi did, even if he did start from one person's imagination. |
BlondieJan 12, 2017 10:35 PM
| So he started working as a construction security guard after getting tired. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Ah, thank goodness! We're finally back on track! Really looking forward to the next two episodes now. I think it's safe to say at this point that "Lil Slugger" is mass hysteria that affects people in lots of different ways. |
| "That monster is a product of the age." |
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| Another marvelous episode. We learned more about Lil' Slugger and his "mission". What's more, he got cornered himself... Many various people were not able to stop him from attacking themselves, yet that woman - fragile and with very bad health, had enough courage and resolve to face her problems and face Lil' Slugger as well. |
| Shounen Bat may be a force to be reckoned with, but it looks like he's only as strong as you want him to be. That woman's mental fortitude is the strongest among everyone in the series and that's very remarkable considering that she's been struggling with illnesses for as long as she can remember. It's quite a surprise to see the one person to cheer Ikari up was also the guy who he arrested years back. |
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| It was overall a great episode, but what's up with the drop of quality in the drawings and animation ? For a Madhouse production it's really surprising. Did they save up money for the last part ? "Happy Family Planning" (8th episode) had the same problem... |
| That’s why Maromi keeps on appearing like a symbol. I wonder about it on first few episodes if that character Maromi has something to do with those assaults. Maromi symbolizes fantasy, a way to escape reality and it was a metaphor to Shounen Bat’s way that by killing/assaulting his victims, he’s making them escape their sad reality. I still think that Shounen Bat is not a true person but rather a part of those victims’ mind (like an illusion) since he always appears to those who wish to end their despair. I’m not liking the preview for the next episode, is that another shitty RPG thing? OMG |
| You guys asked for it to come back to the main characters, so here you go I was liking the side stories a bit more tho |
| Hmm so the Shonen Bat s like the Grim Reaper or the Devil |
| Another strong episode. The contrasting nature of the Ikari's was nicely displayed, and I loved the visual framing of Shonen Bat behind the sliding door, as if to present the notion that she is talking to herself, a real debate against the notion of suicide. It was pretty amusing seeing Shonen Bat's reaction to everything. As for what this says about Shonen Bat himself, my tulpa theory is still fair game, since while Shonen Bat's visual changes were in reaction to her swaying emotions, it fits in line with the change in appearance earlier people were discussing. But then again, maybe none of it can be counted, since former detective Ikari revealed that his wife's illness has started affecting her mind as well, so it's possible this instance was just her own delusion brought about by her illness. |
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