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| I love how this series is not an easy watch. Even with all that mellowness and an upbeat tone prevalent throughout its course you can feel that it's all a veneer covering some sort of portentous uneasiness; dread. 4/5. The donkan duet still annoys the hell out of me. |
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| I forgot of how much I hate Naho's lack of initiative but it was about time to reveal that suwa has also received letters |
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| Ah, I was hoping they'd make the reveal soon. It's been a while since I've read the manga, so I wasn't sure when it'd happen. But I think he was on his bike in the manga too? Ugh, I forget. Anyway, I'm really happy that it happened already. Suwa is such a bro. Definitely my fave character of this story. I must say that I ship Naho with Suwa in the long run. Like I get saving Kakeru and her crush on him. It would be nice if they had a temporary relationship with Suwa as the eventual outcome. It just seems too sad from him to seemingly have only gotten to be with her because Kakeru wasn't there anymore. And that poor baby won't be born if Suwa and Naho don't end up together. |
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| Looks like the pace is going up. Hilarious how Hagita completely fooled Ueda. LOL. I love this guy, lmao. Suwa and Hagita are just real bros. Great episode. |
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| Damn that ending though. Now the story goes on another level. |
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| well kakeru past popped up... and does that mean Naho is not the only ones receiving letters |
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| Man I can understand Kakeru's regret and how he feels he killed his mom. That ending proved that Suwa knew everything all along too with his letter from the future, which explains a lot about what's happened so far. Really looking forward to next episode since this is such a great adaptation of the manga. |
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| My heart. That twist. Next episode, please. |
| My nipples pretty much fell off with that twist at the end! I'm actually enjoying this quite a lot (not the nipple twisting). |
| Damn that cliffhanger. I really wanna read the manga but i like the anime too much. I'm in love with Naho's friends |
| I was thinking "maybe someone else in the group also received a letter" at the beginning of episode, but I did not think that would be actually true! Holy moly. I could not help saying "I KNEW IT" out loud just after the revelation. xD I really like this anime. And I will definitely buy the manga after! By the way this revelation is a relief. Kinda. I thought, a few episodes ago, that something terrible could happen to Suwa. I thought that changing Kakeru's fatal future would result in the death of Suwa instead. But now we know that Suwa has letter(s) too. So I hope this will not happen. |
| I think we all want Takako to deck Ueda. Argh keeps trying to ruin everything. Azusa & Hagita need to be a couple already. They are so funny together. Naho just in time to see the fireworks with Kakeru. They looked so beautiful. All the girls look wonderful in their yukata's. Suwa's got a letter as well. Good to know that Naho is not alone. Hmm I wonder if the others got one as well. |
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witchhuntress said: It's morally wrong to us, but to this circle of friends it's not. Because it's all in their self-interest, and that's the only regret that lingered so much in the ten years that came. They didn't think further of the consequences of their actions probably, if the rest also sent letters. Or they tried not to think more about it. Is the motive we all assume enough to justify saving Kakeru? To us, it won't because he doesn't "deserve" it. But to these people, they think he does deserve a future. As to them meeting up one day, they most likely decided it in advance. They planned to dig up their time capsules and visit Kakeru. I kept earlier quotes to indicate the absence of me having to mention that they're meetup wasn't random, just the sudden flooding of feelings they all had. While friendship cannot be defined by length of time, I believe (at least as of now) that it points to Naho (and possibly the others) doing this out of remorse. Now while one could argue remorse for losing a friend for everyone, I just don't see that being Nahos's reason for the letter. If we can infer from present Naho's actions we would see she genuinely likes Kakeru. In this episode she pretty much tells Kakeru that she will choose him over Suwa (poor Suwa) during the pool scene. Therefore leading the audience to believe that (future) Naho abandoned Suwa and their child for (alt past) Naho to have a shot with Kakeru. In no way am I saying that the others didn't do it out of friendship, I simply believe with the content so far that Naho sent the letter because she had feelings for Kakeru and she simply never acted on them. She feels regret from loss of possible love interest, but the others feel guilt over letting a friend commit "suicide" (show say's he did, but Idk if its gonna be one of those gotcha moments). |
| The story is probably going to change a lot now since more than 1 person got the letter. I just seriously hope the ending to this show isn't "hey look we have multiple timelines". |
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Ratchetdude231 said: The story is probably going to change a lot now since more than 1 person got the letter. I just seriously hope the ending to this show isn't "hey look we have multiple timelines". I agree. The show has good premise and I am enjoying it, but its coming to a fork in the road where one side is enjoying it because they're is closure in the story , and the other is an open ending so that its a "happy ending" for all the characters in both alt present and future. Which feels like as slap across the face to me as a viewer. Not because alternate time lines is stupid, but because they're is a lack in explanation of how it works (aside from brief time travel mumbo jumbo in an earlier episode) up to this point in the story. |
MexicanNinja212 said: Ratchetdude231 said: The story is probably going to change a lot now since more than 1 person got the letter. I just seriously hope the ending to this show isn't "hey look we have multiple timelines". I agree. The show has good premise and I am enjoying it, but its coming to a fork in the road where one side is enjoying it because they're is closure in the story , and the other is an open ending so that its a "happy ending" for all the characters in both alt present and future. Which feels like as slap across the face to me as a viewer. Not because alternate time lines is stupid, but because they're is a lack in explanation of how it works (aside from brief time travel mumbo jumbo in an earlier episode) up to this point in the story. I feel like alternate timelines make sense in some shows. They work well in some shows. I am personally one of those people that liked the ending for Clannad but I don't know how I would feel about a multiple timeline ending to this show. What's scary is that I feel like episode 5 of Orange all but confirmed the existence of multiple timelines with the whole time machine discussion. |
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MexicanNinja212 said: witchhuntress said: It's morally wrong to us, but to this circle of friends it's not. Because it's all in their self-interest, and that's the only regret that lingered so much in the ten years that came. They didn't think further of the consequences of their actions probably, if the rest also sent letters. Or they tried not to think more about it. Is the motive we all assume enough to justify saving Kakeru? To us, it won't because he doesn't "deserve" it. But to these people, they think he does deserve a future. As to them meeting up one day, they most likely decided it in advance. They planned to dig up their time capsules and visit Kakeru. I kept earlier quotes to indicate the absence of me having to mention that they're meetup wasn't random, just the sudden flooding of feelings they all had. While friendship cannot be defined by length of time, I believe (at least as of now) that it points to Naho (and possibly the others) doing this out of remorse. Now while one could argue remorse for losing a friend for everyone, I just don't see that being Nahos's reason for the letter. If we can infer from present Naho's actions we would see she genuinely likes Kakeru. In this episode she pretty much tells Kakeru that she will choose him over Suwa (poor Suwa) during the pool scene. Therefore leading the audience to believe that (future) Naho abandoned Suwa and their child for (alt past) Naho to have a shot with Kakeru. In no way am I saying that the others didn't do it out of friendship, I simply believe with the content so far that Naho sent the letter because she had feelings for Kakeru and she simply never acted on them. She feels regret from loss of possible love interest, but the others feel guilt over letting a friend commit "suicide" (show say's he did, but Idk if its gonna be one of those gotcha moments). Yes, I also believe that to Naho, there are feelings beyond friendship that's involved. Is it loss of possible love interest? Or her inaction? It does seem like that. But are those the only reasons? She also feels guilt over his accident/suicide; she's also his friend besides someone who loves him romantically. So I don't think it's just one reason. She has a lot of reasons that we can see as to why she wrote the letter. Love (romantic or not) may be one of the major reasons, but Future Naho seems happy with Suwa, or content with him. It seems what she wants to change the most is Kakeru's death; not simply their failed romance. But yes, in doing so, she appears to be trying to get them together in the past as well perhaps because Future Naho doesn't know how to specifically save Kakeru as well. Kakeru is an unpredictable time bomb, and Future Naho thinks by being closer to past Kakeru, she may be able to cut off the proper wires to stop him from exploding. This seems to be the strategy she came up with. That's why I'm saying we need more info. We think we see the big picture, but there's more episodes and more explanations to come. Naho seems predictable, but she can be unpredictable as well. I feel like she's testing her past self. Maybe she'll be with Kakeru in the past, but as I said before, there's no guarantee she won't be with Suwa in the future. What she feels for Kakeru then may change. Who knows, but yes, that is a gamble for the Future Naho who created a lot of uncertainty. In the end though, what matters to Future Naho is probably not being Kakeru's bride; it's to see him living and breathing on earth and her having done her best to keep him alive and as happy as he can be. As to their meeting, I don't know if they just suddenly remembered Kakeru. It wasn't completely shown how they decided to meet up, or if that's the only time they met up after years. Is their remorse sudden? Perhaps, but shouldn't they feel sad opening Kakeru's letter? Or feel remorse when it all comes back to them when they visited the places and memories they made? It feels like Kakeru's death bugged them enough as to divide their group. So that place is full of triggers in itself. |
witchhuntressAug 7, 2016 5:24 PM
 "Belief is the death of intelligence." ~Robert Anton Wilson~ |
| Naho and Kakeru basically being on a date at the festival was cute. It was also interesting to find out more about Kakeru's mom's death. But that cliffhanger at the end! |
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| What! I thought Kakeru would follow up with a snazzy line like "So, would you go out with me?" or something like that after, but nope they're still friends. =_= Guess he's still hanging on to not wanting to regret it. This series has vastly improved this and last episode, hopefully it keeps going strong. |
| - Takako should beat the hell out of Ueda already. What's worse is that by judging from her obsession, she probably will keep bothering Kakeru and Naho thus creating a negative impact. - Hang in there Suwa. Certainly didn't expect to have a letter too. I guess that explains why he just got out of the way without putting any resistance. - Really liked the atmosphere of this episode. |
| I don't read the manga but I wonder if all the characters got sent letter from their future selves ? I want to read it right now but shiiit, I don't wanna kill the suspense. |
| senpai you fucking bitch and Suwa also got a letter? |
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| What, did they all get a letter?!?! |
| Ugh, why don't they get together already dammit! Poor Kakeru, regret is a serious thing; especially if you felt you could of prevented something from happening. Suwa got a letter too.. that's surprising! So I could only assume everyone else got one too? Guess we'll see. |
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Cejara said: I think they are all stuck on this idea that Naho and Kakeru getting together is going to magically make him not want to kill himself because he is in love. Depression does not work this way at all. Depressed people that love others still kill themselves. Depressed people that have everything they could possibly need in the world kill themselves. Sometimes even years of therapy doesn't help depression, suicide ideation, and greaving (I know this since I am a mental health counselor). As I have said before, all this is creating a toxic relationship between Naho and Kakeru lol. Either way, when they mentioned about Kakeru killing himself in the future, it seems like Naho is so overly invested in this dead guy who has been gone for 10 years that Suwa and her kid is still 2nd place in that timeline. I feel like the ulterior motive behind this was because Naho loved Kakeru and wanted to be together with him and everyone bought the ticket for that under a false pretense of lets save him. Suwa definitely deserves better than Naho. Let Kakeru and Naho have there toxic relationship where Kakeru will still kill himself anyways because being in a relationship doesn't solve psychological issues -_-. You're wrong on a couple accounts. 1. While people who have everything can be depressed and commit suicide, it's kind of funny how it works. I recall a friend who told me about the time she volunteered for a suicide hotline. A woman called in very depressed and wanting to kill herself. Then my friend heard the noise of animals in the background, and asked who who could take care of the animals if she wasn't around. That was enough for the caller to realize her life had some purpose and she said she couldn't commit suicide, not when she had her pets. There are other similar stories I know of or have experienced. The point being, sometimes years of therapy doesn't cure depression, but sometimes it doesn't take therapy either. Sometimes it just takes some people caring about someone enough to help them. 2. The letters just said to save him, not cure his depression (which he's never been diagnosed with, but that's just me and my mental health aspect being nitpicky). 3. Nothing really seems to indicate that Naho felt more emotional or distraught at the loss of Kakeru than anyone else. While we see her getting letters, they don't say to fall in love with him, just to make him happy. They all seem to really be hurt my his loss, especially when they find out it's a suicide. That's why I think your assertion of her family being 2nd place and the other's being under a false pretense is incorrect, since that's more assumption based on your own feelings than what we've seen and we haven't seen enough to infer that yet. witchhuntress said: MexicanNinja212 said: That's just the thing though, after one day ten years later they all have a sudden rembeernce of Kakeru and learn his accidental death may have been suicide and they all feel remorse. That's to be expected, but the second that letters to the past are sent they essentially are destroying themselves (future selves redoing the past) in hopes that they manage to keep Kakeru around, who is a person they've known for literally several months. I don't understand their motive to want to erase the people they are going to become (alt universe future selves but they still change aspects of themselves) all in the sake of saving that one classmate 10 years ago. Using friendship as the motive is ludicrous because they've known each other for such a short time. Therefore one has to assume that Naho dos it because she was hung up on Kakeru and essentially deemed her alternate future self would be better suited if Kakeru were around. Meaning she threw her child and Suwa to the side for Kakeru. Yes, I understand that saving a person's life in return to possibly ruining their futures is foolish. They're trying to make one person happy to alleviate their regret (I wonder if they even know that the letters were really sent to the past). But this just goes to show that even if they just knew him for a short time, their friendship with him was real and strong and their regret a very big one. By writing a letter to one's future self, I feel though that there's some arrogance and confidence that the future won't change too much. If Kakeru were to live, they seem to think that it'll work out; what they lose is the regret. That's one of the character flaws they all have. But by having Suwa receive the letter, can we really think it's ONLY Naho who threw their child and marriage away? It's so easy to think of life as a balance. That life of someone so damaged and long-gone can never be worth it to be saved in expense of everyone else's futures. It's morally wrong to us, but to this circle of friends it's not. Because it's all in their self-interest, and that's the only regret that lingered so much in the ten years that came. They didn't think further of the consequences of their actions probably, if the rest also sent letters. Or they tried not to think more about it. Is the motive we all assume enough to justify saving Kakeru? To us, it won't because he doesn't "deserve" it. But to these people, they think he does deserve a future. As to them meeting up one day, they most likely decided it in advance. They planned to dig up their time capsules and visit Kakeru. I agree with this basically. I think they all cared a lot for him, and they were the only friends he had. I don't see why knowing someone for a few months is enough to disregard their friendship like MexicanNinja suggests. Some of my closest friends I made in the span of weeks (and thankfully we're still friends today). Human relationships aren't something that is so concrete and rigid to have certain quotas needed to be filled to be meaningful. Goku said: My nipples pretty much fell off with that twist at the end! I'm actually enjoying this quite a lot (not the nipple twisting). Be honest...you kind of liked the nipple twisting. |
| When you already know that bc you've read the manga bUT YOU STILL CRIED...... DAYUM I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPs. Diz gunna be good. |
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| How Suwa was acting at the end of Ep. 4 made me suspect he may have gotten a letter himself, or some other type of communication. I was happy to see the confirmation. I also appreciate the plot point being of Kakeru's suicide. Its a change from the more common disease related plot, and its a subject that needs more discussion. Suicide prevention is extremely important. |
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block1 said: Wait, so she wasn't the only one to receive a letter? Wat, wat, wat, oh my. Suwa did not actually say he got one in so many words, but he did say to Naho "Did you get one? A letter." |
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| Suwa getting a letter too really explains a lot... like why a guy totally in love with a girl would be a wingman to his rival lmao The feels train was really chuggin along today. I thought they'd start dating at the pool scene tho D: |
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| So much respect for Suwa he got a letter so he knows his great future and he's willing to give that up for his friends. Suwa is the real MVP |
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| @Ravivi The thing is, I wouldn't try to base saving someone from killing themselves on something so simple as spending time with them. Why not get him professional help (I know its asking too much for anime, there would be no story if that happened, it just irks me as a mental health professional). Those cases you describe are few and far between with the suicide rates being really high; psychopharmaceutics, therapy, and complete lifestyle changes are usually needed. That's not to say that those rare epiphanies don't happen because they do with people that have great self-insight even in grips of depression. Also suicide ideation is co-morbid with depression and both are highly correlatied. In this series, you can see the guy is definitely depressed from the subtle hints and certain interactions he has with Naho plus the hindsight. If I were to see him in session, I would probably diagnose him with this, but it is more of a situational depression and not a clinical one if you know the difference. As for Naho putting her family 2nd place, that is my own feeling on that matter. She seems to care way more about it than her friends like she can't get over her love for the guy. She even said that she will never forget the words he said to her (forgot what they were persay, but they were romantic in nature), but at the same time we also get more focus on her so who knows. It just seems if the authors intent was to have her regret being that she couldn't save him it got convoluted well with this romance plot going on in the "past". @Witchhuntress I do agree we need some more info, but for some reason it just doesn't sit right with me this whole plan they have. Suwa has to give up his relationship with Naho in an alternate timeline to save Kakeru. If saving him wasn't about love then why does this even have to happen? Not to mention Naho wrote those letters to her past self trying to get her closer to Kakeru, but some of those times she suggests things that are romantic in nature. Like the eraser part, telling him its not okay to date senpai, and so on. Why does she have to date him to save his heart if her only regret is not saving him. Can't this be done without disrespecting your husband even if its in another timeline like wtf? If you were truly a devoted wife, knew your husband loved you since highschool, then tell your past self to do all these romantic things with Kakeru while Suwa is being pushed to the side, Suwa is still being hurt in another timeline. She shouldn't want that for her husband even if its in another timeline. How does she know this won't make Suwa kill himself in that timeline or ruin his life for having to put his feelings aside for his "soulmate" just to save this guy they known for several months. It just doesn't feel genuine to me, no matter how they try to sugarcoat it. This is not even mentioning that she is knowingly not letting her kid be born in another timeline; if she was truly happy and loved her kid and husband then wouldn't she want that for the Naho in the other timeline. I mean Kakeru died, its been 10 years, you feel regret, but does everyone really have to uproot their lives for this. It seems like they haven't even thought of those implications or they did and don't care. |
CejaraAug 7, 2016 8:02 PM
 Naho has to be pretending to be this dense. |
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| Wow...that episode really hit hard! That ending....wow...just omg! I want this week to go by quickly so I can see what happens next!!! |
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| The story is actually going better than I thought, well deserved 4/5. |
| the question now: did suwa got the letter at the same time naho got the letter? or not if same then there was multiple possibilityr 1. he started to believe it later after the content inside the letter became true 2. he ignore the letter first but after seeing naho suffer so much he gave up and try do what necessary/the letter said and if everyone in their group got the letter then why they still invite kakeru and why the future gang didn't mention the most important thing first in their letter (about the reason why they must not invite kakeru that day) |
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| Ladies and gentlemans! The award for Brother's year character of 2016 goes to...*drums sounds* SUWA!!! And the audience goes crazy! |
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| OMG This is too much :/ Please stop the feels! So Suwa also received a letter from his future, so maybe all of the received those letters? OMG!!! I don't even know what to say now... Hagita and Murasaka would be such a great couple xD That moment when she voted for him, so cute hahahaha |
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360AttAck said: Why is this anime name orange? Because it's a story comprised of both sweet parts and sour parts. Naho alludes to this in episode 3 when she is drinking the orange juice. |
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| Now that was good, so sowa was getting a letter too? It would be much cooler if they all had letters as well even kakero, and maybe that would be the reason why he's so depressed since he knew about his mom's death but he couldn't save her. If that's the plot, it would be something :) |
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