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Shimai_ni said: What I don't understand is why did she jump? She couldn't bare with all the pain anymore? Guessing she thought impulsively that her dying would give all the children their senses back? |
| oh my GOD THAT TEACHER GUY IS A FREAKING PIECE OF CRAP. Happy Nico makes me happy. But I do have to admit I feel a bit worse after watching this .w. They were adorable children though. |
A Wild and Small Otaku has Appeared! |
| I wonder what would happen if Hisomu could get linked to Nori-chan.... And poor everyone. Though I'm wondering even after getting disconnected, Chidori will become the one that feels the most leftover pain |
bastek66 said: Darkconfidant7 said: We see more forced relationships, more unrelated plot lines, more plot convenience, and more plot holes. In other words a pretty standard episode for a train wreck of the season. And you just throw random buzzwords and expect everyone to eat up your shitty post. These issues will be from just the last episode alone. Logic Issues: The second experiment occurs despite crippling all of those kids as well as them being left unattended when they have aged like that is insane. Plot Convenience: All of the kids from that experiment are there, in the same spot and location, and luckily this triggers Katsuhira to remember them all perfectly without ever remembering them once before. Katsuhira already liked Noriko as a child because we need to force this romance. Character Issues: We see more of Chidori's irrelevancy to the plot other than being interested in the MC, as she still has yet to receive any development in 10 episodes despite being in the main cast. We have the forced relationship with Niko being forced in to add more drama and make her character relevant as you could remove her completely and the story would stay the same, although it might actually improve as some of the other characters could actually receive some development. |
Darkconfidant7 said: Logic Issues: The second experiment occurs despite crippling all of those kids as well as them being left unattended when they have aged like that is insane. They decided time limit was safe enough. Also, maybe they fixed some issues and made it safer. Darkconfidant7 said: Plot Convenience: All of the kids from that experiment are there, in the same spot and location, and luckily this triggers Katsuhira to remember them all perfectly without ever remembering them once before. Katsuhira already liked Noriko as a child because we need to force this romance. Wrong, not all of them were there. As was mentioned some, like Katsuhira were let home long time ago. Darkconfidant7 said: Character Issues: We see more of Chidori's irrelevancy to the plot other than being interested in the MC, as she still has yet to receive any development in 10 episodes despite being in the main cast. We have the forced relationship with Niko being forced in to add more drama and make her character relevant as you could remove her completely and the story would stay the same, although it might actually improve as some of the other characters could actually receive some development. I don't get these. Chidori is shit, hopefully next episode will make her kill herself or something. Nico is love, cutest and genkiest girl, also best voice acting. |
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| I'm interested to see if they can keep making Chidori more annoying with each episode. |
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
| so bad when chidori isn't know the truth, she's gonna be shit forever now i'm be new kiznaiver, my heart was hurt |
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| Now that the random mission stuff is finished, we're really digging into the real story that matters here. My gosh, this story is truly tragic. Feel so bad for Katsuhira and Nori, and all the origina Kiznaivers. What a horrible thing to have forced on them.. |
| Hisomu joke about reverse harem was perfect ahahaha Despite that he loves pain, he is always so positive and funny xD And i still can't figure out how this anime will end. That weird moment between Tenga & Chidori... i understand that she doesn't want to reject him because she doesn't how what she feels but i understand ho Tenga feels too, it would be a lot easier for him if she said to him no. The whole Kizna project it so fu** up, it ruined so many lives, would be great if they ended this anime with all of them returning to normal. After this episode the impression i had about Nori, completely changed (we also do not know much about her) so that's why i never really liked her that much, but after this episode...damn i was so wrong. I was so happy when i saw her being so happy when she was a child, that moment when she said "I love you Katsuhira" and that smile... omg <3 Let's not forget about the best moment in this episode, Noriko's smile: <3  |
"There is no such thing as an Anime elitist. You watch Anime, therefore, you are trash by society's standards." |
| Woah woah woah, why all the hate. I found this episode to be very entertaining. It's true, I didn't really feel anything for the other 17 kids involved in the Kizna experiment, so that part was weird. I felt really bad for Sonozaki tho. Feeling all 19 kids sensations, damn that must've sucked so much. Can't imagine feeling the sensation of 19 people running. Surprisingly, as boring as Katsuhira was, to see him cry at the end, it made me tear up a bit, which is something that I don't usually do. Chidori needs to get a hold of herself. Tenga needs to lay off (lol). Kinda sucked not seeing the whole gang back together (yet at least). Great episode nonetheless. |
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| This episode is a great watch. It focuses more on the results of the Kizna project than romantic development. Yuta, Maki, Tenga, and Chidori said only a few words to one another. None of their exchanges were pleasant; no one made any progress in getting closure or acceptance from their romantic interests. These four are all still hung up on the painful revelations and sentiments of the past few episodes. As for the results of the Kizna project, it is sufficient to say that our main characters have made great strides towards world peace. Although no longer bonded, three of them, Hisomu, Niko,and Katsuhira, have already demonstrated a newfound capacity for friendliness and commiseration. Hisomu brings food to Katsu out of concern for his hunger; Katsu and Hisomu humor Niko's request to become legitimate friends, and most importantly, the three of them all go to inquire about the condition of Sonozaki, despite the fact that only Katsu's kizna was triggered. A shut-in degenerate, a try-hard eccentric, and a bowl of potato salad have all summoned up the humanity needed to be actively and voluntarily conscientious of each other's well-being. If that is not progress, I do not know what is. I can't wait for next week. P.S. What are these two lookin' at?  |
Dragon115 said: JkayW said: Episode is shit like all the others. You expect me to care about a character you did nothing with for 9 episodes. Fuck off. Which character are you talking about? Sonozaki, Katsuhira? And you like nothing about this series at all? All of the characters. |
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| Don't think Nico is irrelevant to the story at all, in my memory she was the only one that actively sought to be friends with each other and thus brought the group all together, which means that without her quite a lot of their emotional bonding would have been cancelled out Educate me if I'm mistaken |
| Awesome episode I really Like Katushira,Hisomu and Nico now. Nico earn Huge of respect a lot because she try to befriend with them despte their probelems. I feel sad for Katsuhira Though I like him a lot as much as Like Sonozaki. Its nice to see backtstory of Katushira and Sonozaki like I predict. I don t give damn about chidori and Tenga No offense I think they got what they deserve they cause too much turmoil because of their emotions and outburst so I don t care about them at all. Hisomu,Katsuhira and Nico earn huge of my respect this episode and Sonozaki gain more of my sympathy |
| I honestly really, really enjoyed the last episode. And the series in general up to now. But somehow.. with this episode, I was supremely disappointed. Both the reveals and the drama felt so forced, and I found it hard to care much at all because of that. The fake suicide was a bit irritating. The scene with Chidori and Tenga only made me like Chidori less. The reveal about Nori-chan wasn't all that surprising to me and only made me question her more as to why the hell she's been supporting the new experiment. It's hard for me to care about the subjects of the previous experiment too, when all we've gotten are small flashbacks of a lot of laughing children. Maybe there shouldn't need to be more backstory than that, but Idk I just didn't feel it. Oh, and the Honoka/Yuta thing remains as stagnant as ever, nothing about that changed; wonder why they even bothered to spend a few seconds of the episode on them. Also, Hisomu's erotic squeals have gotten a little old for me and the frequency of them in this ep felt a bit obnoxious. I respected him as a character in this ep however. All in all, for a show that has been among my favorites of the season, I feel disappointed that it seems to be ending in a bit of a trainwreck. If this were 24 or more episodes, I can see things being developed more to the point where I could care more. But as it is... too many things that seem overdone here and characters whose actions seem unnecessarily extreme or unexplained :/ |
| looks like Sonozoki will have to die in order for Katsuhira and other Kiznaiver feel the emotions like pain again huh i hope im wrong on this since there is a high chance this story will headed |
| Damn I thought this episode was a lot better than all the love triangle stuff from the past two episodes I liked seeing comic relief pain fetishist get a little more screen time, and bringing back the cicada thing was pretty neat. I also thought Nico, Katsuhira and Hisomu deciding to be friends again was super cute. And I dunno I can see why some people here are dissatisfied with it but I thought the ending was a well deserved gut punch. Like we finally got some of the stuff about the old Kiznaiver explained though I still have questions. And I've always thought the flashbacks to the playground were effectively creepy and to me this was a good payoff. |
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| So why wasn't this stuff the main story from the get-go? This love pentagon garbage seems so irrelevant now in the grand scheme of things. |
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Blackcrowsora said: Thug_Gou said: Yeah, a bit. xD I just started though. I hope so. They could all end up forever alone except for my NOtp </3 ouch. Yeah, he did mention her name in this ep. There is hope for you haha :) Tbh at this point it doesn't bother me that much. I feel so sad for most of them (at some point) so I just want for things to pworked plout in GENERAL. I'd be surprised though if YutaMaki gets not to be a thing. Like... REALLY surprised! So we're good on that part!~☆ LOLYES. I'd be really surprised if Yuta x Maki don't end up together or at least implied that they're gonna get together. I'll PM you when it's done hahaha. But this might take a long time. :P Me too. That's why I've started giving up on ANY of the ships sailing aside from Yuta x Maki, but then my NOtp starts sailing. wtf. *flips tables* (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ... so yeah.. salty af hahaha Let's start flipping tables together when our NOtps get together in the future lmao Look-- I try to play it cool okay? I really love all the character's and at this point, I just want for them to be friends once more. BUT I SWEAR- IF WE END UP WITH TENGAXCHIDORI THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SERIOUS TABLE FLIPPING!!! Your NOTP is Panda and Npri chan, I suppose? What don't you like about them? Or is it just the fact you don't like your Nokia-chan?? X) HAHAHAHA I tried to play it cool last week too, then my NOTp became the focus and RAAAAAGEEEE! happened ahahaha Yeah, they're my NOTP cause I just fcking hate Nokia-chan. hahahaha :D It's ok whoever ends up with who as long as she ends up alone. HAHAHAHA so evil. xD hahahahah Hisomu who doesn't get enough character development sucks ass so much, but I'm glad that he's still so genki. ikr. She probably felt betrayed again...or something. geez Maki. smh. Welp, here's to hoping they get together in the last 2 eps. They're pretty much the only thing that's gonna save my shipper heart, since 20% of the other ships are sinking so hard. </3 When it came to Hisomu I thought at the VERY start that he'd be one of those SUPER cool and badass guys. Aaandd~ what I got was this pussy cat. I love him so much tho, he's a cutie (x ω x)♡ I also really loved how he supported the episode by being cool-headed and pretty... untouched. I think he really added to it soo much and it was more interesting that having Panda all along trying to deal with it. HAHAHA a pussy cat. xD xD :3 A hot pussy cat <3 Yes, because his moans are the best. he's so chill that I want him to get together with someone. hahahaha anyoneee. a new character wtv. :P |
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j0x said: looks like Sonozoki will have to die in order for Katsuhira and other Kiznaiver feel the emotions like pain again huh i hope im wrong on this since there is a high chance this story will headed I doubt Sonozaki will die and Katushira won t let that happen |
| I hope Sonozaki x Katushira become canon at the end of this anime |
| I was guessing something happened to Nori-chan, but I wouldn't expect that. Sharing 19 children's pain at the same time, it's horrible. Poor Nori-chan. |
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| Nori - i think the reason why she wants to continue the experiment mostly because she just want to return back all her friends back to normal. It sort of selfish shes doing it with the new kizna experiments but shes the most impacted on this experiment as she still receiving it now, which also the reason she taking the drugs (painkiller most probably). She probably lose her sense of the world itself, after receiving all the pain ( this includes emotional and physical pains) , tbh even in real life, to co-op with our own individual pain (emotional and physical) is agonizing and imagine her taking 19 people at once. of course it would broke her into pieces every fucking time. not only katsuhira, but those who had left also along with katsuhira apart from those who had lost all their senses. As for the new experiment, their pain are equally shared so it dont burdened them as much as it was to Nori Chan. If she wants to explain it normally to Katsuhira in the first episode it would be a bit hard as we can see Nori herself is not that well in terms of socializing, what more katsuhira to be able to receive the information during his condition back then. of course, Noriko keeps on trying to kill herself because thats her idea of getting everyone back to normal again. Chidori - I always thought she's the girl next door kinda character, cute, nice, and understanding but she suddenly become that selfish - i want kacchon to like me - kinda people. It's hard to take rejection of course, but unlike Nico ( best waifu) she wouldn't move on and insisting of Kacchon to have same feelings as her. I don't see how her past can be so agonizing that she can be a selfish person ( i mean so far we know that she just rejected by Kacchon ) but similar things happen to Tenga and Nico and they did not, i repeat, DID NOT make this as a reason to be such an ass. Even Onodera is better than this. Her character is just poorly written. If she would have accept it and move on, i would have more great respect for her because i know its not easy to let go the peoplr you love for other people - in real life its the same thing. Tenga - I never thought of him as selfish though. As he said, he never experience liking people or liked by people. Maybe at that time when he founds out that Nico likes him it kinda shocking for him , but at the same time , emotional reflexes that they felt from chidori probably turns the table, as he care more for Chidori which is obvious. At this episodes, he's trying to be reasonable, asking answer from Chidori , even if it's a rejection , it seems he prepared for it. He just want everything back to normal, hang out with Chidori as how they used to back then. .. Nico & Hisomu- hands down most sane people in this anime p/s Nico is just too good for any character in this show..... :D As for Yuta and Maki - oh well ... ;) In my opinion - this show just started bad, I felt like we had lack of understanding in certain character especially sonozaki herself, it wasnever properly explained since the beginning of episodes, and the execution of the tragedy is just bad, but for me i can grasp how she felt. hating fandom on Sonozaki had been fire up since the start and with zero character development from early episodes then suddenly the tragedy from the past i think is just too sudden to change the viewer perspective on her but its fine its understandable, she can never be a good tritagonist like CC ( from code geass). 6/10 for now for me. drama anime is hard to pull out.... its hard to satisfied everyone with script writing, character development and everything but its fine .. not as bad as other okada work.... |
“They stood together in a false intimacy, a nervous contact. And he was in love with her.” ― D.H. Lawrence, Women in Love |
| At least now everybody knows the true mastermind behind this evil experiment. |
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This episode hit me right in the feels.  |
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| Lol everyone against Nori repeating the experiment again is obviously not in science. They changed the variables this time around. |
| “A grown man does not apologize. It lowers the value of his soul.” -Araragi Koyomi |
| Have I been... told a story? That was pretty unexpected! It was worth it to stick to the series through all those events and situations I didn't care about: I might have not been forced into an emotional bond with the vegetables but this part was so much more interesting than everything on screen until now. 4/5 but it feels like a 5/5 in comparison to any previous episode. |
| I am not really attached to any of these characters. Too little too late, even with the feels at the last scene, it would be so much better if they hadn't wasted 9 episodes. |
| This episode was excellent for 2 reasons. 1. We finally got to the bottom of the majority of the details behind Nori and Kacchon. - The things that Nori went through are absolutely crazy; literally unfathomable. The simplest day to things that the 19 other kids did just broke her. Things that you don't even feel in your day to day life: sitting in a chair, tapping your fingers, giving someone a high five...things that normally don't hurt at all multiplied 19 times to excruciating levels of pain. - Kacchon finally cracked a bit too. Between remembering most of his past, the pain he felt from Nori which actually hurt him, and seeing his old friends in even worse shape, ended up being too much for him at once. Which also means he's starting to feel emotional pain again. 2. The other big thing (and I think arguably the more important one), although they didn't explicitly say it...the Kizuna system worked. - They all came back from summer break and weren't Kiznaivers any more, but they were still connected. They may not visually be shown feeling each other's pain, but it's still there. When that bastard Yaamada was intentionally harassing them over what they did over the summer, you could see them getting upset over things. For example, when he made fun of Chidori for being rejected, Tenga also got upset. When Maki was upset, Yuta was upset. When he mentioned the rest of courage they reacted. Even when they said they'd leave each other alone, there was still Tenga sneaking around seeing what everyone is up to and trying to talk to Chidori. Little things that prove they truly connected and became friends...which was the entire point of the Kizuna system. Test-Run said: Fuchs23 said: It's strange that Sonozaki helps them with new experiment, especially after what happened to her. She knows the risk and is absolute ok with it. Katsuhira broke Chidori record in "how many times you call the name of person" in one episode. I guess she wants to "fix" Katsuhira and maybe even herself, though I doubt that's a priority. It's probably a mixture of things. For one thing, she does want to fix Kacchon. The very first scene was the flashback between them saying he can get his pain back. She obviously wants to help the person she loves. She's always valued his opinions and such about the missions and whatnot more than anybody else's. Plus by fixing Kacchon, she'd also fix the 18 other kids plus herself. She mentioned that nobody can find themselves in Kacchon, yet says if she's somewhere in him. Which is confirmed when he could feel her extreme emotional pain in his heart when she got too worked up and passed out. The other thing is, she, and everyone want the experiment to be a success. The failure the first time was a mistake. Everyone originally on the Kizuna committee (and the few remaining) truly believe that the Kizuna project could work and that people could be connected. Nori also very much believes in the potential of the project. Nori, Yaamada, and Urushii are really the only main dedicated members left. They also see Nori, and even the other kids, as basically their own family, so they do care about trying to make them better. |
Darkconfidant7 said: These issues will be from just the last episode alone. Logic Issues: The second experiment occurs despite crippling all of those kids as well as them being left unattended when they have aged like that is insane. Plot Convenience: All of the kids from that experiment are there, in the same spot and location, and luckily this triggers Katsuhira to remember them all perfectly without ever remembering them once before. Katsuhira already liked Noriko as a child because we need to force this romance. Character Issues: We see more of Chidori's irrelevancy to the plot other than being interested in the MC, as she still has yet to receive any development in 10 episodes despite being in the main cast. We have the forced relationship with Niko being forced in to add more drama and make her character relevant as you could remove her completely and the story would stay the same, although it might actually improve as some of the other characters could actually receive some development. Well lets see: logic issues...I'll quote myself here: "The other thing is, she, and everyone want the experiment to be a success. The failure the first time was a mistake. Everyone originally on the Kizuna committee (and the few remaining) truly believe that the Kizuna project could work and that people could be connected. Nori also very much believes in the potential of the project. Nori, Yaamada, and Urushii are really the only main dedicated members left. They also see Nori, and even the other kids, as basically their own family, so they do care about trying to make them better" Of course they'd do another experiment if they've already poured so many resources into it and learned from past mistakes. When you have the opportunity to fix 19 people, and learn how to connect peoples hearts...ya do it. Also...what the fuck makes you think the kids who couldn't function were left unattended? They were wearing medical robes, and were in the main Kizuna research facility courtyard. Them sitting in chairs in the sun doing nothing constitutes as being "left unattended"? Shit man, I hope you never go visit a senior living home. It would blow your mind. Plot convenience: "All of the kids from that experiment are there, in the same spot and location, and luckily this triggers Katsuhira to remember them all perfectly without ever remembering them once before". - They were just sitting outside. That playground courtyard has also had a main presence through a majority of the show. It wouldn't make sense to show them anywhere else. And...did you miss the gym episode? Because he remembered them there. "Katsuhira already liked Noriko as a child because we need to force this romance." - nowhere near as forced as Chidori's one sided obsession or Nico's out of the blue feelings towards Tenga. Character issues: "Chidori's irrelevancy..." - Well considering how if she wasn't in the story, then the majority of events in the show wouldn't have happened, I'd say she's pretty important. She was a main trigger for feeling emotional pain and hearing thoughts. "Niko being forced in to add more drama and make her character relevant as you could remove her completely and the story would stay the same". - Again, not really. Seeing as how she's basically the only character who's completely vocal about wanting to be friends with everyone, and actively pushes people in the group to be friendly with one another and start talking, she's also important. Without her, the rest of the cast would have little to no dialogue with each other outside of missions and would've never been real friends. |
| Nori's smile broke me. And when Katsuhira started to cry, the emotion were too strong. Really a great episode, thanks to the interesting characters, the episodes are better and better. |
| I quite liked that The purpose of this shit experiment needs to be explained. 3.2/5 |
AhoNoGinJun 14, 2016 9:51 AM
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FormX said: Lol everyone against Nori repeating the experiment again is obviously not in science. They changed the variables this time around. I'm perfectly fine with the experiment repeat. What's concerning me is that the person who suffered the most pain from the first experiment inflicted even more pain on the main characters like that without their own consent. Considering episodes 2 and 9 where she actually electrocuted Katsuhira and made all of the rejection end up in some extreme mental pain compared to the usual kid activities back then it's hard for me to not think that she's a sadist at this point. |
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| WHAT THE HELL THAT FLASHBACK I normally hate flashbacks scenes. This made me cry my eyes out. jesus christ. This episode wasn't perfect either, but I'm still loving this show. It really has a huge impact. |
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| I feel sorry for Nori and the other kids. |
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zal said: I still don't understand why Hisomu is even part of the cast, from what I remember the only useful thing he did is bring food to Katsuhira in this episode. Easily the character I dislike the most. I don't get the transition from losing sense of pain to become stoned like that, I don't feel pity for them but curiosity, I would like this to be more elaborated. Another thing I find difficult to accept is how they are treating sensations and feelings like something materialistic and they can move them from a person to the other which doesn't make sense to me. Also why isn't possible to undo the kizna to the old kids like they did with the new teenagers? Hisomu is the comic relief If you lost all of your emotions, all things that make you who you are, then whats left Zal? You really think you could function with the world around you if everything was stripped away from you? No. Because of this they are empty and to a certain degree they have already died a long time ago. Ever since that day when all of the kids had their senses removed. And that's the point of the anime Zal, you need to understand that bro... This is not reality this is an anime. It's providing you with the idea of what if, and that what if is elaborated through out the show with snippets of scenes and backstories that correlate with it. Episode 10 finally fleshed out and explained what really went down when the first experimentation that was being conducted in the institute. OT This is hands down the best episode of Kiz. When Nori smiled at the end my heart just shattered :( |
DoctorWasabiJun 14, 2016 8:36 PM
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| Best episode so far. Things are starting to make sense and no more empty drama. Katsuhira seeing all those lifeless kids from the first experiment was really strong. |
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| I want to add that some things make a lot sense in episode 1 now. I have always "liked" Nori because it was clear she had some kind of motive for her actions (and the tragic backstory was quite predictable (not saying it's bad)). People say Nori acted like shit because she tortured Katsuhira. the reason she did the torture was to test and "activate" the kizna wounds, from my understanding of things. It looked cruel on the offset but Nori knew Katsuhira doesn't feel pain at least as much as others - it makes perfect sense to torture him to further the experiment! On the contrary Nori is the one who actually ends up feeling the pain. she wasn't torturing Katsuhira, she was effectively torturing herself, just for the sake of others. I know it's not much but people who didn't pay into the setting and disliked the characters of the show early on wrote Nori off because she acted so brute. I think those people fail to look into what kind of story the anime is actually telling and how it's presenting the characters and just looked at the face value. |
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Too many onions *sniff*  Now I understand why did she jump off the crane in EP1. |
| In regards to a lot of the "forced drama" that many people seem to point out, I feel that it's intended to be that way. They were being manipulated by the adults in order to produce results from the experiment, which is why asshole-sensei decided to push them to the breaking point. I'd have to say this is one of my favorite shows this season, though. It induced quite a bit of emotional reactions from me throughout the show so far. Then again, I take interest in dramatic shows like this one. Also, I wanted to point out that this anime is kinda like longer version of that one arc in Kokoro Connect. |
nyarikoJun 15, 2016 5:13 AM
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| interesting.. good guy wan do that yea |
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