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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Utsutsu is just adorable this episode <3 The episode felt slow imo in terms of pacing. And not only that, but Gel's personality really has become quite different from previously. Not much action...but I thought the episode was still neat in building up the story and the election. Not sure how I feel about Gel's motivation to become prime minster though. It's always nice to see Hajime and her group when they begin an investigation. |
Stark700Aug 1, 2015 12:10 PM
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| Gelsadra is incredibly dangerous, an idealist like that with no grasp of the real world is a problem. Uniting everyone under one way of thinking is impossible as long as free will exists. I am concerned Gel seems to have the mentality of the end justifies the means and wants to use people's emotions and wishes as a driving force. Which as Rui pointed out, they tend to be ephemeral. Not only that but Tsubasa's promises are leading her to taking all responsibility from people and having them rely strictly on Gatchaman instead of relying on themselves. |
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| True story. I was watching the episode then at 20 minutes in I saw Katze and then I realized I WAS WATCHING EP. 5 FROM SEASON 1! WTF?!!! I didn't even notice it :'( even with op song being from season 1 XD I feel so used. actual ep.: it was good, nothing outstanding but solid. |
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DesuTronic said: Gelsadra is incredibly dangerous, an idealist like that with no grasp of the real world is a problem. Uniting everyone under one way of thinking is impossible as long as free will exists. I am concerned Gel seems to have the mentality of the end justifies the means and wants to use people's emotions and wishes as a driving force. Which as Rui pointed out, they tend to be ephemeral. Not only that but Tsubasa's promises are leading her to taking all responsibility from people and having them rely strictly on Gatchaman instead of relying on themselves. I agree. What Gel is doing is extremely dangerous and will end up backfiring. Using peoples emotions like that to try to regulate a society is not feasible. As usual, it seems Hajime knows more than she lets on. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| It seems like the Gatchaman group has been even further divided. I never really trusted Gelsadra. We'll see how this turns out. the sound track for this episode was outstanding. |
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| the red girl turned into a dude?! |
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| Dis gun b gud |
DatRandomDudeAug 1, 2015 3:08 PM
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| Enjoyable episode, can definitely see how the exposition is setting-up for some major conflict. Even the Gatchaman are divided. I'm enjoying the psuedo-political and -philosophical questioning of human nature, much like the first season. Perhaps the set-up is a little too obvious, I'd love to see a few twists. Tsubasa and Gel (and now even Jou) are almost definitely going to see an unexpected turn of events with their intentions backfiring. At this point, I have to question who the final 'villain' is going to be. My top suspect at the moment is Gel who has the necessary power and potential conflict of misunderstanding the public's desires. The phrase 'unification' has come up too many times, I'm guessing Gel's powers will take a literal turn. Perhaps eliminating society's individuality or maybe even more majorly, brainwashing or controlling the masses to be totally uniform. Previously, we've seen Gel show discomfort from the lack of identical emotions within crowds of people. Again, I'm really enjoying this show. It gives me something to think about each week, that although hyperbolic, can be applied to actual society. It was nice to see Jou with some much needed screen time and focus, and I loved his attitude toward mob mentality as an exploitable evil. |
AbracapandaAug 1, 2015 4:12 PM
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| Well this is it. I suspect now Katze will aid Hajime against Gelsadra. I just posted this to note that Katze is changing too: http://thessaliah.tumblr.com/post/125628242487/heres-a-bit-of-foreshadowing-hajimes-holding Takuan_Soho said: That Jou found blood on the roof I took as a sign that this show (within the limits all shows have) is not going to back down from the conflict they have created. It should get very interesting from here on out. It was Rui's blood. He returned to the place he got stabbed. |
| Great ending, loved how the transition was executed with Rizumu to Gel using her/his power, it was a great way to bring to center stage the topics the season is going to be diving into. PM Gel is obviously going to be stampeded by reality, but I'm really looking forward to what else this idea is going to bring. I like how Sugane's role has been relegated to hanging out with his newfound harem because there isn't anywhere to write him into relevance right now. |
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| Utsutsu is still best girl, this episode re-confirmed it. |
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| The series should pick up from now. The backfire is going too be spectacular. |
| It was predictable Gel win but I think he will not be able to control things with only Gatchaman think the need for more Crowds they cause problems |
| If they make Gel-chan a villain this show is going to get super interesting pretty damn quick. We'll have had 2 villains then this season who both think there opinions are right, but go about it the wrong way. Ginger Hitler thought that the ordinary people were apes who couldn't evolve and use crowds. His reasoning is that people shouldn't bend their ideals to the public opinion, but his method of terrorism wasn't the right solution. Gel-chan wants to end conflict and being people to a united train of thought. In general it might not seem like a bad ideal, but Gel wants to eliminate ALL conflict, even the productive kind, and wants to unite people in a very superficial way that will end up getting rid of people's free will. It'd be cool to see the Gatchaman divided as well. Obviously it'd be Gel, Tsubasa, and Joe on one end, with Rui, and whoever supports him on the other. Also...I REALLY don't like Tsubasa, at all. Like not even a little bit. |
| Great episode, support Jou. |
| Jaywalker. |
| gelsadra is such an interesting addition to the cast imo. i wonder if he is really going to be a villain in the end. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Thess said: It was Rui's blood. He returned to the place he got stabbed. Thanks, never even occurred to me because that being Japan it would have been cleaned up in under 30 minutes. They have Disneyworld levels of cleanliness on those things. It was kept bloody for dramatic purposes. |
| I don't think Gel will turn into some outright villain, but will be more like Rui in season 1. |
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| Hajime is a really amazing character. Never have I found a character as unique as she is. |
| よろしく！ |
| gel-chan is dangerous they say his simple mindedness may turn him to becoming darth vader later on and look at this, wikipedia says that social mood is called crowds lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_%28psychology%29#Crowds |
| I think that in future episodes Gel might become the main villain of this season and I'm also speculating that he won't realize what he will be doing is wrong and will start using more powerful methods to unite everyone. I'm also hoping that Jou will be having more screentime. |
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| I'm starting to dislike that green haired TV host guy. Hajime and OD continues to be my most favorite characters, with Rui and Berg Katze both being very close seconds. I don't like that orange haired glasses guy, but I do agree with most, if not all, of what he said. I also do agree that Gel is dangerous. I mean, Gel isn't evil, and I have a bit of a feeling that he won't ever intentionally be evil, but to unite what everyone is thinking and believe that it is what will forever bring them happiness and/or peace will likely bring them to their doom... or something. lol Otherwise, a nice episode. :) |
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vodall said: the majority is always sheep that follow public opinion? did some angsty teenager that thinks nobody understands them write this season or something?... After experiencing the debates and furor of the last two elections in the UK, playing out with similar scenarios I don't think it's such a huge stretch to say that the vast majority of the public are susceptible to smear campaigns and fickle appeal to "patriotism" (i.e. racism and false sense of superiority). While people like to think they actually have an opinion, no one really bothers to read the published manifestos or look at the small print. Whoever looks the best on the televised debates or 'looks like they are more popular' tend to win. Only a small minority stops to think that the voting system itself is flawed and needs changing. trannon1 said: ...Gel is very dangerous. She may be cute and all, but she seriously lacks vision. ... Gel has always been a boy. Just sayin. Watch enough anime and you'll soon realize that all young boys are voiced by females because their voices haven't broken yet. Think Son Goku or Naruto. |
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
Jonesy974 said: If they make Gel-chan a villain this show is going to get super interesting pretty damn quick. We'll have had 2 villains then this season who both think there opinions are right, but go about it the wrong way. Ginger Hitler thought that the ordinary people were apes who couldn't evolve and use crowds. His reasoning is that people shouldn't bend their ideals to the public opinion, but his method of terrorism wasn't the right solution. Gel-chan wants to end conflict and being people to a united train of thought. In general it might not seem like a bad ideal, but Gel wants to eliminate ALL conflict, even the productive kind, and wants to unite people in a very superficial way that will end up getting rid of people's free will. It'd be cool to see the Gatchaman divided as well. Obviously it'd be Gel, Tsubasa, and Joe on one end, with Rui, and whoever supports him on the other. Also...I REALLY don't like Tsubasa, at all. Like not even a little bit. You're not alone here. I have never liked Tsubasa since the beginning. She is my upon rational and doesn't see the big picture in things. The fact that she has taken most of the screen time in the this season bothers me a lot. We need more Hajime and her unique perception on the things. Also because they keep hitting things about her like how here speech bubble never changes from Gray or the fact how she is shown many times away from the others when taking about the crowds. |
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MagicCanadian said: I've gotta say, I really hate Tsubasa. She started out with no idea about anything and instead of learning anything, she instantly latched to Gel and supports him in every way, even though he's only been on Earth for what, a month? He has no idea about humans and our ways and she seems to think he's some god. She needs to think for herself... I couldn't agree more with you. All she has been doing is clinging with Gel and letting her emotions get the better of her. What she really needs to do is learn things from Hajime like she was suppose to do not doing irrational things with Gel. |
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| Gel-chan became Prime Minister OMG |
| Gel is the new villain. :v Wasn't she a villain in the original gatchaman? http://gatchaman.wikia.com/wiki/Gel_Sadora |
| This episode decrease my faith in human politics and camera men. Seriously, who keeps running the camera after a clean minute after the board cast. Which causes a convenient way for Gelsadra to win the election. I thought it would take planning, debates, discussions by people that are in the government. I didn't know they would on the path of allowing someone to make a major mistake for Sugayama that wasn't even his own fault, with the formula of a couple of good deeds from Gelsadra to win an election. We know that Gelsadra was going to win but don't make it convenient for Gelsadra to win by a landslide. |
 ♪All his life has been, a roller coaster ride of dream No time for looking back, forgetting who or what His song is all that he leaves behind, On silent nights I hear him still, whistling a tune I know so well Gun in hand, rose in another, He's Lupin the 3rd♪ |
| Sheep sheep everywhere really hate Hajime being on the sideline most of the time her interesting views on things is what makes this show for me. |
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| Aa ah, I thought Gel-chan might be dangerous from the start. The idea of unifying thoughts and emotions will never end up well. It seems that Hajime noticed things from the start, Joe as well even if he puts up with it for now. Wonder if Tsubasa will end up on Gel-chan's side or what? I think that while crowds will end up gone for the time being, they will come back in the end. If not to even help fight Gelsadra, hmm. On a side note, I still can't get over that Gelsadra has the same voice as Gintoki. |
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| Gel's gonna be ze real villain, ZE BIG BOSS |
| You will soon learn that a heart that choose to exist, even in a life filled with pain, will one day allow us to meet again. With the world's blessings, we will meet again and again, forever returning to the homeworld we've yet to see. Many, many times.  |
katsu044 said: Sheep sheep everywhere really hate Hajime being on the sideline most of the time her interesting views on things is what makes this show for me. For real. Sheep sheep everywhere... Hajime was the reason I kept with S1, but she has been so reserved this season. :/ Though this episode had a few more interesting points. I like Rizumu-san. He's so truthfully cynical. :D Now, go ruin the nation, Gel! Joe and Hajime will handle ya. Hopefully. Though Gel's a harmful idealist. |
| In one way, I like where this show is going. On the other hand, Gelsadra winning the election was not believable at all. I can't believe that so many people would be such mindless sheep and vote for an alien that only recently came down to Earth to lead their nation, no matter how charismatic it may be. I understand what the show is getting at, but this is too extreme. |
AlexTheRiot said: I like how Sugane's role has been relegated to hanging out with his newfound harem because there isn't anywhere to write him into relevance right now. Heh, I was gonna say he's been completely useless so far in this series, but what's interesting is I don't think we've been told about where HE stands on this whole situation. The writers might be saving him for later when he'll inevitably have to join forces with Hajime to save the day or smth. |
| It only took 5 episodes but this season is finally getting interesting for me. Gel turning out to be/becoming a bad guy is a good twist. |
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| Alien communism incoming, good luck Japan. |
| Gotta love that commentary on keyboard warriors. They're the worst. |
| This isn't going to end well for anyone. |
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ramenshoujo said: vodall said: the majority is always sheep that follow public opinion? did some angsty teenager that thinks nobody understands them write this season or something?... After experiencing the debates and furor of the last two elections in the UK, playing out with similar scenarios I don't think it's such a huge stretch to say that the vast majority of the public are susceptible to smear campaigns and fickle appeal to "patriotism" (i.e. racism and false sense of superiority). While people like to think they actually have an opinion, no one really bothers to read the published manifestos or look at the small print. Whoever looks the best on the televised debates or 'looks like they are more popular' tend to win. Only a small minority stops to think that the voting system itself is flawed and needs changing. The last Brazilian elections went the same way. Actually, the current political situation here still has the majority following public opinion, one way or the other. At least, that's my perception. |
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