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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- What a crazy episode Wow, this one must of taken the cake even among the ones that aired so far. Started with trial and quickly pushed its way with other themes and style like princess fantasy and kings. I didn't expect this tbh but nonetheless a fun way to present the show. Cute ED card though. |
Stark700Jan 26, 2015 8:58 AM
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Okay, at this point the series has gone totally insane. I don't know how much longer I can hang on. Please click on the link below if the above image failed to display properly: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mikiy666-tenco/imgs/2/9/2965be48.jpg |
okanaganJan 26, 2015 9:10 AM
| So yeah this pretty much confirms the wall as the wall between homophobia and sexual freedom. Really interested in why the court represented the princes. That might have some foreshadowing for future. |
AhenshihaelJan 26, 2015 11:35 AM
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| Just me or was this a lot better than the previous episodes? Like a lot better? |
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HaXXspetten said: It was. Not only was the Lulu back story very interesting (which also seems to relate to present Kureha) the execution was very well done too.Just me or was this a lot better than the previous episodes? Like a lot better? I feel bad for whoever dropped the series before this episode. |
| Damn the prince survived from quick sand with a monster in it and lava. It was cool seeing Lulu's past. |
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| Mirun doesn't always die, but even when he does, he doesn't. What a tough little guy! The way Lulu kept sending him to fetch the Promise Kiss was hilarious though! Shine! XD After seeing Lulu's backstory, the phrase at the beginning of each episode about loving and hating from the beginning (at the same time) makes a lot more sense now. Bears and humans may not actually be enemies after all. The "Yuri approved" sequences seem to differ depending on what type of verdict is being delivered. Interested in seeing if Ginko's Promise Kiss will come to pass. If so, with whom? Probably Lulu? Decent episode. Even though I didn't get a hold of it all, I can still see a lot of symbolism going on in the show. |
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| Very fun and interesting episode, probably the best so far. But definitely needs a rewatch to understand everything better. |
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Shaniyaz said: I'd say her Promise Kiss would be with Kureha since they have shown Ginko with the same star shaped pendant that Kureha's mother wore on that one picture.The "Yuri approved" sequences seem to differ depending on what type of verdict is being delivered. Interested in seeing if Ginko's Promise Kiss will come to pass. If so, with whom? Probably Lulu?. |
| “Listen, little girl. When I refer to a young woman, I mean someone who manages a student dorm and has the tolerance to give anyone advice if they want it. And there is one thing you lack as far as that’s concerned. Do you know what that is, little girl?” There was no way she could, so she gave him a confused look and he gave the answer. “These common breasts of yours disqualify you from providing the support of a young woman. Give up and try again later.” -Kamijou Touma |
Nobunagun said: Shaniyaz said: I'd say her Promise Kiss would be with Kureha since they have shown Ginko with the same star shaped pendant that Kureha's mother wore on that one picture.The "Yuri approved" sequences seem to differ depending on what type of verdict is being delivered. Interested in seeing if Ginko's Promise Kiss will come to pass. If so, with whom? Probably Lulu?. I do wonder how the teacher(who is obviously a bear due to Yuri in last name) figures into that. Love triangle in the past or something? |
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| Shabadaaaaaaa! Shababdab dadaaaaa! |
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| LOL. Like the scenes of Ringo in Penguindrum. |
| Crazy and funny episode about Lulu´s past. Life Sexy as storyteller was so awesome X3. Best episode so far. |
| Holy Madoka! The Yuri is strong here! My Anime List  |
| Pretty batshit episode, and in a good way. The scenes where Lulu kicked her brother off a cliff was 10/10 every time they showed it. |
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| Fantastic episode. The motivations of Ginko and Lulu were revealed. |
| Wouldn't it be ironic if this show that literally has lesbians in its title turned out to be not so much a clear-cut portrayal of lesbians like everything from the promo material to the first few episodes suggested? (Big surprise, I know, since it's been clear from the beginning that nothing in this show can be taken at face value). According to this episode Lulu's main reason to cross the Wall of Severance with Ginko is because she wants to help her find her own "Promise Kiss" since she has experienced the (self-inflicted) loss of one herself along with the feelings of regret following it and doesn't want Ginko to make the same mistake she did. (Prince Mirun constantly getting resurrected even after the most absurd murder plot conspired by his sister probably symbolizes his persisting child-like love for her until his feelings die down since she never returns them anyway, symbolized by his "death"). Ginko's necklace greatly resembles the one Kureha's mother is wearing in her pictures so perhaps she's driven by motherly love to meet Kureha. Nothing about these two spells particularly "lesbian" in this episode aside perhaps from Lulu's disinterest in princes, another indication that the girls-turned-bears like Mitsuko and the bears from across the wall are very different kinds of "bears" and should be treated as such. In comparison one can't help but notice how sexually aggressive Ginko and Lulu have been depicted as so far in the human world (necktie choking on the chouch scene, anyone?). Is it because "that's the sexy way" and therefore the only possible and acceptable way (as deemed by the judges) for them to venture out into the human world and fit in? I wouldn't be surprised if the "Promise Kiss" turns out to be nothing more than an artificial concept put on a pedestal by the people using it ("By crossing the wall you will lose kisses FOREVER", my ass) just like the concept of princes in Utena. Speaking of Utena, characters "sacrificing" themselves seems to be a reoccuring theme in Ikuhara's works and it couldn't be more apparent than in this case: Lulu who didn't even shy away from murder to secure her spot as the heir to the throne at first, willingly leaves everything behind in order to realize her loved one's wish, dressed as a maid no less! |
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| So, a much more normal, much saner (although still way past the line of what we'd consider “normal” in general even for anime) episode, pretty well done.. I'd say I'm no longer confused except nothing in it fits what we've seen before (well, almost nothing). Basically we got a bunch of answers… for questions we didn't ask. Ah well :-D at least one more week without dropping. More and more getting the feeling I won't be surprised if it turns out we are the bad guys in the show's symbolism though… |
| still dont know what the f... is going on but atleast after the first half some things start to make sense..? |
| The OP is just beautiful, would really want a full version |
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| See that they can do it well when they don't try to be random all over the place. Pretty good, it did gave them a meaning to be there. |
Silver4000 said: See that they can do it well when they don't try to be random all over the place. Pretty good, it did gave them a meaning to be there. Except that "they" have yet to be random and everything in the show had a meaning and sense of poignancy to it. |
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| That's better than the previous ep. There has been too much recycling lately. But such a in your face exposition is a heavy way to write backstories. Slightly distasteful. I liked the music. I do not like the sound effects (the shaba-daba-doo and kuma-shock thingies), but the background ost was pretty strong this time. Other than that we got a whole new bunch of symbols. I can't say that I like the rate, since the old ones do not have enough meat on them yet. I hope that they will click into a picture in the end, but I have doubts. |
| I am going to make that my pickup line: "That is the sexy way. Shaba-da-doo." |
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| Great episode!!! At the start I really disliked this series but now I reaaaaaally like it. Lulu backstory was really cool. I laughed everytime when she kicked her brother. |
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| that shabadaba with background thunders xD lol the attempts to kill her brother xD that kid is unkillable....but not immortal HaXXspetten said: like there was an actual story going on? yeah surprisingJust me or was this a lot better than the previous episodes? Like a lot better? |
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| Great episode! Lulu's backstory starts like "Woah! She was a princess? Interesting." and then I'm shrieking all over the place at just how damn cute she looks. Then comes her brother and I hate him -at first- because he takes the attention away from Lulu and then I'm again shrieking at how cute he looks. I honestly felt bad when I saw Lulu rejecting him over and over again... it was just plain.. ouch. Especially when he died trying to get her honey again. I even got angry at her because she was actually happy (at first). Anyway, good art, good music, the jokes got me laughing like crazy again and the new art by the ending was really really cute. It was a good episode, having some background explained is nice and I feel some of my doubts were cleared. I kind of find Ginko and Lulu much nicer in comparison to the image i had of them by the end of last episode. I'm already hype-y about the next episode lol. Maybe this time we'll see about the background of Ginko, the teacher or Kureha's mom. |
| they REALLY love recycling animations and ENTIRE SCENES dont they... Best episode so far, but thats not really saying much. At least it convinced me to stay on board. |
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| Here is the complete set of "Amazon Stalker points" as of this moment, 9:30 am Tokyo time, 4:30 pm Pacific time, 7:30 pm Eastern time. V1 2015/3/25 BD ..990 DVD 196 V2 2015/4/24 BD ..878 DVD 206 V3 2015/5/27 BD 1094 DVD 271 V4 2015/6/24 BD 1260 DVD 329 V5 2015/7/24 BD 1464 DVD 376 V6 2015/8/26 BD 1718 DVD 442 The first column: Volume number (there will be six volumes) Second column: Release date (date going on sale): Y/M/D "BD" means the "Blu-ray disc" For each, the numbers shown are the "Amazon Stalker points". People are just waking up in Japan right now, so most people have not seen Episode 4 yet. I am collecting these numbers now as a baseline. I want to see whether Episode 4 makes these points go higher or lower in Japan. "Amazon Stalker points" are one measure of the popularity of an anime series among Japanese fans. Specifically, it is based on the number of pre-orders placed for the Blu-rays and the DVDs, but only on Amazon. A complicated mathematical algorithm is used to predict how much money will be earned from sales of Blu-rays and DVDs. This income is essential to the "bottom line" of an anime series. As a non-expert on Amazon Stalker points, these numbers look really bad (abysmal) to me. In other words, people in Japan don't like Yurikuma. In case anybody here wants to learn how to look up Amazon Stalker points, here is an excellent explanation: https://bakalaureate.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/guest-post-anime-and-sales-analysis-by-yuyucow/ As well, here is the key webpage where the title of a series is entered and the "Amazon Stalker points" then pop up for each BD/DVD volume. http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index2.cgi?sort=rankup All of the instructions are in Japanese, much of it kanji, but you don't need to be fluent in reading Japanese in order to use it. |
okanaganJan 26, 2015 4:58 PM
| 1. Dam, man, when the show gets serious, it gets good, especially with the OST in the 2nd half. That ost just puts me in a euphoric trance. 2. It's cuz of cute lil boys like lulu's lil bro that old dudes become pedos… 9/10 |
| Really? キス、スキ? No way a former princess/bear can cook, Lulu you bought that from a store aren't you? Ginko also gave up her high social status to pursue something personally important. If only Ginko met Kureha's mom during her raiding like the one in Sankebetsu brown bear incident, and somehow built a bond with her, and also somehow cause her death, combining the testimony from the witnesses and Ikuhara's visual that would make a great episode. Desire~~for more delicious drama from Ikuhara~~sexy~~ Crazy thought: It's not the KUMA suddenly develop a desire to eat people, it's people that want to eat other people(maybe a metaphor for having a more aggressive personality, and all men is gone) turn into KUMA by the fragments, those survived, build and secure their own social circle but since it's the human nature to bully someone who deemed inferior in meeting the social standard (YURI), the same phenomenon happens but this time in a smaller, personal scale. |
raveninthemuddleJan 26, 2015 5:09 PM
| Loved this episode. I'm really glad we got an episode all about Lulu, from all our main trio her personality honestly seemed the most lacking. I think it wouldn't be too hard to say that when Lulu kept on kicking the boxes marked with "愛," it symbolized her rejecting any sort of love. The honey represented the love itself, every times she was offered it by her little brother, it was immediately tossed away. The bee buzzing around her was kind of a "personal bubble," if anyone stepped into it they would immediately be shooed away, or stung, as is what happened to the three judgemens. When we see the bee encircling her little brother at the end, it shows that she has finally accepted his love. Additionally, when the bee circles around both Lulu and Ginko, it shows that Lulu has allowed Ginko to get close to her. The talk about the "promise kiss," I am not as sure about. I thin what it might be is a way of saying, "there is no greater love than trust." Lulu's little brother loved her so much that he came to her with the honey, time and time again, just because he completely trusted her to give him the "promise kiss" she said she'd do. Additionally, Ginko is going to the human world to see her lover. Even though that lover is human, and thus might kill her on sight, she still trusts that lover to allow her to deliver the "promise kiss." Also, calling it now. Kureha x Ginko is endgame. The lover is either Kureha's mother or Kureha herself. Lastly, this episode really reminded me of Penguindrum's episode where Masako repeatedly tried to kill her grandfather. |
NessieFynnJan 26, 2015 6:31 PM
| Wow. A beautiful episode. A lot of to take in at once, though. Definitely need a re-watch or two. And, of course, holy lol at "shaba-daaaaa, shaba-dabadabaa!" |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| From a source I don't remember but probably unreliable, I've heard that the whole series represents themes of homophobia and basically getting past that or something. I mean it's the only theory out there so far I've seen so I'll just keep it in mind, at least I'm not completely lost. I feel like that Life Sparkle bear also voice acts in that magical boy anime currently airing? Goddamn that shabadabdabdbabdodododooo Cute siblings awww <3 Ah wait nope the sister sucks. So is the princess the same Lulu? Update: Yes. Honey porridge sounds kinda gross xD There goes that quote hmm. Ah, so with MC it's basically the same scenario. Hopefully she won't make the same mistake as Lulu. So what is the difference between love and kisses? Shabadadoo. Ginko and MC share the same star. Yep, they're lovers, kay. New ED look, cute. |
| Wow, this episode was awesome. Symbolic overload, but that's okay. |
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| Thoughts: Yuri Kuma E4 The fairy tale this episode parallels the current story. Lulu portrays Kureha, rejecting the Promise Kiss (throwing the Prince's honey/swatting the porridge) and not releasing her true feelings. For Lulu this ended tragically, the Prince dying and never receiving a Kiss from her. Once she gained her desire of attention, without the Prince's love she felt hatred and loneliness. It's not until Ginko appears in the window to return the Honey, that Lulu comes to terms with her actions. Upon acceptance she was also able to see the same situation before her and choose to give up being loved in order to further Ginko's love. "My kisses are already lost. I can never see them again. But Ginko still has hers. I know she'll complete her Promise Kiss in my place." "In other words, you are entrusting Ginko Yurishiro with the wish you couldn't fulfill? Trying to achieve self-actualization that way is mere self-satisfaction. It's arrogance. It's a crime." "That's fine. I'm a criminal-bear." She doesn't care about herself at this point because it's already too late. The Prince is dead and along with it his Promise Kiss. But this is not only penance, but an opportunity to remember and connect with her deceased brother. By living her life as he used to, she continues to bear his spirit and Promise Kiss. "If you forget what you lost... you really will lose it" "Ginko... my love exists in seeing that your love is fulfilled. I feel like if I do that, I can see him again. Just one more time..." Honey = Promise Kiss Promise Kiss = to be loved Kureha = old Lulu Prince = Ginko, unreciprocated but faithful love (even in the face of death) The invisible storm = a single-minded society of no individuality Pendant with Ginko - (not mother, maybe sister?) Prediction: that Ginko's love is going to shift towards Lulu instead. "Now the question remains: Will the Promise Kiss come to pass?" |
mwsmws22Jan 26, 2015 5:19 PM
NessieFynn said: I think it wouldn't be too hard to say that when Lulu kept on kicking the boxes marked with "愛," it symbolized her rejecting any sort of love. The honey represented the love itself, every times she was offered it by her little brother, it was immediately tossed away. The bee buzzing around her was kind of a "personal bubble," if anyone stepped into it they would immediately be shooed away, or stung, as is what happened to the three judgemens. When we see the bee encircling her little brother at the end, it shows that she has finally accepted his love. Additionally, when the bee circles around both Lulu and Ginko, it shows that Lulu has allowed Ginko to get close to her. Yeah the Bee was pretty much rejection/severance represented around her. Someone brough this point up but birds/bees/doves imagery has been assigned to rejection in this show(ex: the homophobic implications in the school, always surrounded by birds, the lilies turning into doves in the background last episode, etc) Adding to Lulu's disinterest in "Princes" that certainly paints Wall of Severance as Homophobia. It is certainly interested that the "Trial of Severance" is held by the three princes Lulu rejected too. |
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| How do birds/doves represent rejection? That interpretation seems farfetched at best, unless I'm missing something. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
ImmahJosh said: How do birds/doves represent rejection? That interpretation seems farfetched at best, unless I'm missing something. In previous episode we had the whole Class-S relationship symbolism being "Lilies turning into Doves" and the whole school has been shown surrounded by bird. There's bird imagery everywhere and the birds generally seems to be associated with "turning invisible"(in the whole class s idea that lesbianism is something you grow out into being straight) So in that we already have doves and birds representing homophobia. In this episode we had bee representing Lulu's feelings of rejecting disliking the advances of three men(which pretty much establishes her as a lesbian) |
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CookingPriest said: ImmahJosh said: How do birds/doves represent rejection? That interpretation seems farfetched at best, unless I'm missing something. In previous episode we had the whole Class-S relationship symbolism being "Lilies turning into Doves" and the whole school has been shown surrounded by bird. There's bird imagery everywhere and the birds generally seems to be associated with "turning invisible"(in the whole class s idea that lesbianism is something you grow out into being straight) So in that we already have doves and birds representing homophobia. In this episode we had bee representing Lulu's feelings of rejecting disliking the advances of three men(which pretty much establishes her as a lesbian) Additionally, we often see our very, very gay characters walking on the spiral staircase with doves on the side. No matter which direction the characters walk, it is always in the opposite direction to the doves. This implies that our very, very gay characters are at odds against, or somehow opposed the the force that the doves represent. What force would homosexual people be more obviously in opposition to than homophobia? |
| This is some intriguing shit yo |
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