Your Lie in April
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Dec 12, 2014 3:46 PM
#151
I'm watching this over and over! I just love this episode, specially the way Arima plays in the end, it was beautiful! |
Dec 12, 2014 5:24 PM
#152
This episode was so beautiful!!!! I was almost at tears since the very beginning but that last part with his mom smiling just hit it off for me! :') Fucking Kousei Arima and his newly lost-and-found piano skills. This show is breaking me. |
Dec 12, 2014 6:10 PM
#153
Not a trace of regret on his face. >_< Best line I've read in the sub for this episode! XD |
You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
Dec 12, 2014 6:33 PM
#154
Well he pulled it together at the end |
Dec 12, 2014 7:04 PM
#155
This episode confirms yet again that this is seriously the best anime of the season, it was beautiful to watch on many levels. I believe the woman at the end, who called him "Mr. Mediocre", was the woman who originally discovered his talent. His mother's friend, or something like that. I'm guessing, even though I have refrained for the time being from reading the manga, that she will become his new teacher. I kind of dislike his dependence on Kaori, I know he's in love and no one else matters to a boy in love- but it's inevitably going to end badly for him. I love Kaori as a character and a catalyst, but playing only for the sake of someone else isn't the way to go. If you can't do it for yourself, for your own sake, you shouldn't even try it. So far I think Emi's performance has been the most powerful, and I love how flustered she gets about Arima. Her almost confession last episode and the way she could see his imagery when he played for Kaori, she's got the makings of a very strong character and I hope to see more of her in the remaining episodes. In fact, I may actually ship Emi x Arima more than Kaori x Arima even though I find Kaori to be a very beautiful and lovable character with her passion and ruthlessness. |
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Dec 12, 2014 7:48 PM
#156
surfboard_ said: Even if it really looks absurd, to play again a piece during a competition, it is somewhat his own way to say "the party is ruined and nothing left to lose, lets just do this and yeah". I think its kind of cool to admit your own situation and accept your feelings... I wish I could see optimistic and autistic players like him at least once doing this kind of mess up, wouldn't you agree it would be a weird social experience? Yes, I agree with this. It's not the fact that Kousei play again that bothered me, it's the reason why he decided to "transform" his playing, the "I will play for Kaori" really bother me, but I think it's kind of personal. surfboard_ said: There is another thing that we could notice but the characters inside couldnt: Kousei's human metronome doesn't really happen because he memorizes the tempo and the score, it is because he learn the music. Once he stops hearing himself, he loses his tempo. It wouldn't be a problem since he "memorized" the whole deal, right? (just like Beethoven could compose because he supposedly could remember the note's sound through the frequence each time he hit a note in the piano) But then he gets nervous because he can't hear it and loses his own confidence. Concluding, in the end everybody (including Arima) was wrong about Kousei's motionless-human-metronome piano style. Interesting point here. Can you explain further what you mean ? surfboard_ said: If we think about what happened and the idea behind it, I think it was quite beautiful, but the whole presentation was really ugly and a mess. We can only say its good pretty etc because we know what Kousei had in mind, right? I think the production really hit the mark in the middle section of the Étude. That sunflower scenery and the rest was really fitting, but out of place if we compare the first part and the last (but yeah, we know Arima was in his own world). I think the string arrangement was quite garish, even if it fit the mood, nobody needed that. Yeah, I think it's probably something like this. I don't think it was that ugly, clumsy may be a more appropriate word, well, at least for me. About the string arrangement, honestly, I personally found it unnecessary, but it was beautifully made and I don't mind. Some people like FloatingList seem to like this kind of details so I really don't mind at all. Example : FloatingList said: .... The violin addition to the piece I think was mesmerizing and beautiful (Piano first, then violin--sign that Kousei's play has reached Kaori?), well, maybe that was the reason why this episode felt stronger than the last. surfboard_ said: I think its more than justifiable. Kaori opened a new door in his life and gave a new reason to play the piano. At least for a good while, I think we'll see Kousei's efforts directed towards her, just like we do when inspired (not necessarily by loved ones) Once again, you're making a good point, here. I think you're right, so it must be personal then. Tbh, I can't help but think the idea to play music (or any other art) only for someone is err... "Immature", maybe ? I think the whole idea of 'playing music' is somewhat spiritual and constitute a long path toward yourself. You can play or make music for someone, I have no problem with that, but you have to play for yourself beforehand. I think that, after a certain age, you absolutely have to play in order to seek for yourself through music because it can help you to learn to understand and, musically speaking, appreciate yourself. Then it allows you to fully understand your feelings toward someone/something. And finally, you will be able to assume your choices and your feelings through your music/playing. It's a long process. Ironically, my point of view is also very cheesy, because, basically, it's something like "learning to love yourself allows you to fully love someone else", but I believe in this kind of thing and I find it more subtle and closer to the truth than just "I will play for her". And Chopin's music is not just about romanticism, his music is also all about subtlety. So yeah. As a result, I don't disagree with the message Shigatsu was trying to send in this episode, but I can't help to think it was presented in a clumsy way, the all "only for you, thank you, thank you, thank you" was, as far as I'm concerned, more reminiscent of someone like Lionel Richie than Chopin. I love the dialogue in Shigatsu. I think it's the essence of the show, but in this episode I find Kousei's monologue not enough poetic, and a bit too honeyed, maybe, I don't know. |
Dec 12, 2014 7:49 PM
#157
Also : Lacertoss said: Nidhoeggr said: http://moesucks.com/2014/12/11/shigatsu-wa-kimi-no-uso-ep-10-magical-golden-balls/ I really think this says it all, the constant heavy-handedness and slightly pretentious, condencending tone coupled with the constant interruptions through "revealing" monologue that just repeats itself over and over really ruined what could have been the best scene in the entire series. It's pathetic how this Nodame wannabee is too stuck up its own arse to be actually entertaining and about music, rather than just about at best mediocre character interactions full of anime cliches. I think the reviewer made a good point in his opening paragraph. The problem is that this permission to overdramatize without falling into the ridicule (like it would happen if that kind of scene existed in "The Pianist") is exactly one the srtongest points of anime (and manga) as a type of media in general. This is what makes sports and music being such a big genres in manga/anime , while having a ridiculous subpar representation in movies. Outside some notable exceptions, no one wants to see a regular football match in a movie (if they want they would just watch real football on tv), and if you overdramatize it, it will seem like a chinese B movie. However, in anime you can do it without problems, and it can become a compeling story. For instance, Shokugeki no Soma would NEVER have any success as a movie/tv series, but it work as a manga. I see you gave a high score to Chihayafuru. That show is a giant overdramatization. Think about how ridiculous it would seem to have a movie portraiting a card game with dramatical pauses and internal toughts, typical elements on sports manga, all the time. It wouldn't work at all. If anime art and style allows us to do this kind of thing without losing "vraisemblance", I say let's do it. And I think that Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso did a great job at it in this particular episode (episode 9 and 8 not so much). + surfboard_ said: But I strongly agree with what you said "this permission to overdramatize without falling into the ridicule is exactly one the srtongest points of anime (and manga) as a type of media in general." In a cartoonish and fantasy world, we get possibilities to do what we have a hard time doing in films, but anime is still quite behind in terms of achievments. + mayukachan said: The entire essay was generally about "Too much talking, not enough showing" and that's really up to the viewer to decide. For me, the monologues didn't bug me that much. At one point, it became like Kuroko no Basuke where all the side characters were like "omg! Arima's transforming!" "Sugoi, Arima's so good!" but that was the only thing that bugged me. Guess they really had to emphasize the change in playing styles for the music noobs that can't hear the difference. Also, this show is nothing like Nodame Cantabile. It had a similar premise at first (eccentric music girl gets serious prodigy guy back into the love of music) but then it diverges afterwards. I love Nodame Cantabile but Your Lie in April has it's strong points too (shown namely in this episode, the ability to incorporate imagery into classical music and the tension and character relationships are way stronger here) + FloatingList said: Another note, this is not a show about technicality of music where characters played their musics and let those musics do their job. Rather, it is a drama show that uses music as a medium to convey its message. Refer to above calculation. Last thing, don't expect "depth" in Shigatsu. It doesn't search for that. Shigatsu is your "simple everyday melodrama" whose "beauty" wants to be interpreted "easily" by the mass. That being said, it has its own (powerful) message IMO. And yeah, expect cliches. Why? Cliches can be good some time. I think that's all. And for a note, I would appreciate that if you hate this show, don't let your hatred flow and spread wildly to those who love this show. The same goes for those who love this show. Don't go full retard and fanboying and bash everyone who hate this show and mock them. It's normal if you hate/love a show. What's not normal is shoving your love/hatred to other people. Thanks a lot, guys. I wanted to say something similar to this, but you put it in words way better than I could say it myself. Thanks ! Personally, I think the comparison with The Pianist (which is a film that I really love by the way) was bad. It's definetely not comparable. And Lacertoss made a very good point with Chihayafuru. Now this is a relevant comparison imo, a perfect one. It deals with the exact same topic : passion, poetic imagery and high-school romance. They are very similar shows, both in their subjects and the way it's handled. Of course, someone could argue that Chihayafuru deals with Karuta, and Karuta is about poetry, so the imagery and metaphors are more appropriate in Chihayafuru than Shigatsu. But it's wrong, because Shigatsu deals with classical music, and classical also deals a lot with poetry, literature or painting. For example, the characters in Shigatsu play some Beethoven, Chopin, and perhaps later, Debussy. This is why I find it silly when people keep complaining about the imagery or the poetic lines. Maybe it's not your cup of tea, but it doesn't mean it's irrelevant. One of the originality of Beethoven's music, compared to a lot of his contemporaries, is that his music is ALL about poetry, literature and spirituality. Chopin's music definetely wouldn't be the same without the influence of such people like George Sand or Eugène Delacroix. Debussy's music is strongly linked with Paul Verlaine's poems as well. So the imagery and artsy (or 'pretentious', if you want) lines in Shigatsu makes sense, anyway. As an inside, I also fully agree with Mayuka, "the entire essay was generally about "Too much talking, not enough showing" and that's really up to the viewer to decide". I want to add that the reviewers keep saying "too much monologue, not enough music", but by saying this, he only proves that he's missing the point of the show, for me. Yes, Shigatsu is about people who play music, but this is not a reason to assume it need to be strictly about music. Yes, there is a lot of monologue, but hey, these monologues does not comes from anybody, these monologues comes from people who play the music. And guess what ? This is precisely what Shigatsu is about : people who play the music. And as FloatingList pointed out, I don't get why the opinions/critics/reviews, both from those who like and those who don't like the shows, need to be offensive. I tried to read an other review of Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso by E minor, and it clearly gives me that vibes : "My reviews are great, because I'm super subversive". He keeps complaining how Shigatsu is pretentious, but quite frankly, I find his reviews way more pretentious than the show itself. It just made me suspect he took the A hate train. Surfboard_ doesn't really like the show either, but I find him way more measured and respectful than E minor. |
Dec 12, 2014 8:12 PM
#158
Dec 12, 2014 8:49 PM
#159
While music and visuals were up to standard again, I wasn't impressed with these last two episodes. I'm surprised though, as I didn't expect him to completely or at least partly overcome his past trauma and the transition between those three styles was an interesting way to depict that. I find the romance a little redundant here, yeah he's in love with Kaori and he's come out with it, okay fine, not that there should be any expectation that anything will come from it. I particularly liked that prologue at the start with Watari. Good episode? I think so, but I've lost track of some of the inventive charm from earlier performances while watching and repeated dialogue has played some real irritance along with the trickling pace. |
Dec 12, 2014 8:52 PM
#160
mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Most threads are enough of an echo chamber of "the feels" and "I cried this many buckets" It's almost as if you haven't read the meaningful comments in this thread. This thread has meaningful comments? Looks like it's just mostly made up of the usual interchangeable fan-wanking comments you can find in just about any A-1 show thread on MAL. |
Dec 12, 2014 8:55 PM
#161
Kaioshin_Sama said: mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Most threads are enough of an echo chamber of "the feels" and "I cried this many buckets" It's almost as if you haven't read the meaningful comments in this thread. This thread has meaningful comments? Looks like it's just mostly made up of the usual interchangeable fan-wanking comments you can find in just about any A-1 show thread on MAL. Yo, have you not read surfboard and Skyleo's discussions? Even as a classical musician, I don't understand most of what they're talking about. |
Dec 12, 2014 8:56 PM
#162
mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Most threads are enough of an echo chamber of "the feels" and "I cried this many buckets" It's almost as if you haven't read the meaningful comments in this thread. This thread has meaningful comments? Looks like it's just mostly made up of the usual interchangeable fan-wanking comments you can find in just about any A-1 show thread on MAL. Yo, have you not read surfboard and Skyleo's discussions? Even as a classical musician, I don't understand most of what they're talking about. Oh those. Those are a bit of a nice breather from the usual declarations of how beautifully beautiful and monumental the show is week to week. Surfboard- in particular seems to be one of those rare types around here that can see right through all the glitz and glamour to what is really going on with this show and has definitely provided some more food for thought than I figured I'd ever see in these threads so my bad for not acknowledging that above. [quote=PrinceTY] Nidhoeggr said: [ ..And your post is a giant ad hominem. And unlike E Minor, you do not even present arguments, you just say "shit taste". I guess I prefer E Minor's opinion that is presented with some facts and actual pros and cons over your simple insult. Then again, that itself is probably what qualifies me as a hipster in a medium that is dominated by teenagers and otaku, who - and let's be a bit more honest here - demand an aboslute criticism-free enviroment that negates all negativity simply out of their own insecurity. But I digress. Quality MALpost right here. |
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Dec 12, 2014 10:00 PM
#163
Kaioshin_Sama said: Lacertoss said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Nidhoeggr said: http://moesucks.com/2014/12/11/shigatsu-wa-kimi-no-uso-ep-10-magical-golden-balls/ I really think this says it all, the constant heavy-handedness and slightly pretentious, condencending tone coupled with the constant interruptions through "revealing" monologue that just repeats itself over and over really ruined what could have been the best scene in the entire series. It's pathetic how this Nodame wannabee is too stuck up its own arse to be actually entertaining and about music, rather than just about at best mediocre character interactions full of anime cliches. This sort of thing is wasted here IMO where people will only ever see what's just on the surface of the show and what is immediately obvious about it. If it plays itself off like it's deep and profound than that is what it is, no other considerations to be made on MAL. MAL has decided yet another pretentious overwrought A-1 show is a masterpiece, they count on this sort of thing and this sort of audience to keep themselves going and are really good at convincing those sorts of people that their shows are deep and exceptional. Just kind of have to smile and nod really. Most people I saw commenting on a serious note about the show here aknowledge it not as a deep masterpiece, but as a solid melodrama, and an effective entretanment piece, which has a lot of value on itself, by the way. You should really read posts by people like FloatingList before passing out quick judgments and generalizing everyone who thinks this show has value. Doing this kind of thing is rude and it makes you sound like a prick. Which is probably what you're aiming for in the first place, but I just had to say it. I really don't care though is the thing. It doesn't matter to me what a bunch of people on some website that barely pay attention to anything think about the quality of my character so much as I get to make the points I want to make. Most threads are enough of an echo chamber of "the feels" and "I cried this many buckets" anyway that they don't need another indistinguishable voice added to the masses just so people won't think that someones a prick or not. You care enough to post. And post again. And again. And again. And again. Repeating the same points. And each time emphasizing how much you don't care. |
Dec 12, 2014 10:05 PM
#164
Loved this episode! Arima changing his performance and seeing to overcome his demon while also confessing/showing his emotions through his music. Emi smiling was great and dang, Tsubaki is coming to the realization that Arima doesn't see her in the same way as he sees Kaori. Hopefully, they'll recover and won't die or something :( |
Dec 12, 2014 10:11 PM
#165
Kaioshin_Sama said: mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Most threads are enough of an echo chamber of "the feels" and "I cried this many buckets" It's almost as if you haven't read the meaningful comments in this thread. This thread has meaningful comments? Looks like it's just mostly made up of the usual interchangeable fan-wanking comments you can find in just about any A-1 show thread on MAL. That's not an A-1 exclusive thing. That's every episode discussion thread on this entire site. |
Dec 12, 2014 11:13 PM
#166
show is starting to testing my patience this felt like a repeat of his performance with Kaori minus her being on stage with him,though i'm glad he finally over-came his trauma was getting worried we wouldn't have time left if they focused the whole show on it but i just noticed it's a 2cour |
Dec 12, 2014 11:22 PM
#167
Nidhoeggr said: dont tell me you just quoted moesucks.. LMAOhttp://moesucks.com/2014/12/11/shigatsu-wa-kimi-no-uso-ep-10-magical-golden-balls/ I really think this says it all, the constant heavy-handedness and slightly pretentious, condencending tone coupled with the constant interruptions through "revealing" monologue that just repeats itself over and over really ruined what could have been the best scene in the entire series. It's pathetic how this Nodame wannabee is too stuck up its own arse to be actually entertaining and about music, rather than just about at best mediocre character interactions full of anime cliches. Kaioshin_Sama said: i can smell the elitist in you and its suffocating. I don't know why you keep posting on these forums if you hate half the anime produced in today's industry, yet you stick around and watch every single one of 'em.This sort of thing is wasted here IMO where people will only ever see what's just on the surface of the show and what is immediately obvious about it which it amusingly makes even more obvious with the dialogue. Clearly this show does not think much of it's audience. Anyway if it plays itself off like it's deep and profound than that is what it is, no other considerations to be made on MAL. MAL has decided yet another pretentious overwrought A-1 show is a beautiful masterpiece, they (A-1) count on this sort of thing and this sort of audience to keep themselves going and feed their own massive ego and are really good at convincing those sorts of people that their shows are deep and exceptional. Just kind of have to smile and nod really. |
Dec 13, 2014 12:25 AM
#168
I really liked the prologue Watari and Kousei. And the 2nd part of the performance was good. Other than that, I find the episode to be a bit average. |
Dec 13, 2014 12:54 AM
#169
What's this aggressive discussion all about? This show is an anime. Of course most of it is absolutely ludicrous and would never happen. If it has been two years since Kousei played the piano and he's 14 now, why the hell would he be so small at 12 so he could not reach the floor while sitting on the piano bench? Look, it's just over the top. Everything. But that is to be expected, isn't it? I do get the point about beeing guided through the experience by letting the characters explaining stuff. You guys all seem musically literate but let's face it, most people aren't. Most people have no idea about classical music or live performances. I still like Kousei's character progression from a musician's point of view which hasn't really explicitly to do with the way the anime makes logical fallacies. |
Dec 13, 2014 1:13 AM
#170
I don't hate this show. As much people say its a pretentious show and glorificaion of female-male violence with Kaori and Tsubaki hiding behind its happy go lucky tone, trying to force everyone to think "it's not so serious guys". People are like he's been abused as a child and is traumatized, this is awful. Meh, if Kousei's fine with it, why are you bothered by it, ok maybe it contradicts torwards his abuse with his mom in some way, its anime slapstick not like you never seen it before. The in your face nature of this show is the selling point, I just think its trying too hard. I don't mind the slapstick. Those pretentious lines are pretty common in the pure shoujo/romance genre so they are not too abnormal. Maybe its drowning in its melodrama. Maybe its just a mediocre show hiding behind pretty animation (ahem fate/stay night UBW). Anyway its not terrible |
My life is boring cause I'm boring If you're not at school what can you do, you stare at a screen of bright pixels |
Dec 13, 2014 1:27 AM
#171
http://gyazo.com/204ba2e8ccfb5ee272c92c793488a6e9 ^ that's some deep sh!t man .. |
Dec 13, 2014 1:30 AM
#172
This anime could have been good... instead its fucking stupid... I get that hes traumatized... but instead of getting professional help hes fucking play the piano which is what hes traumatized about. Hes stupid, his friends are stupid and im starting to wonder what is the point. I started watching this anime because I thought it would be about music... now its just about trauma and its beating the viewer over the head with it. WE GET IT. |
Dont be a chitogetard!!!! |
Dec 13, 2014 2:55 AM
#173
Kaioshin_Sama said: mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Most threads are enough of an echo chamber of "the feels" and "I cried this many buckets" It's almost as if you haven't read the meaningful comments in this thread. This thread has meaningful comments? Looks like it's just mostly made up of the usual interchangeable fan-wanking comments you can find in just about any A-1 show thread on MAL. Yo, have you not read surfboard and Skyleo's discussions? Even as a classical musician, I don't understand most of what they're talking about. Oh those. Those are a bit of a nice breather from the usual declarations of how beautifully beautiful and monumental the show is week to week. Surfboard- in particular seems to be one of those rare types around here that can see right through all the glitz and glamour to what is really going on with this show and has definitely provided some more food for thought than I figured I'd ever see in these threads so my bad for not acknowledging that above. The ironic thing is that you are by far the most toxic person on this thread so far. And don't get me wrong, I am not a fanboy pissed at you by your opinions, as I too think that Shigatsu is a show FAR from perfect. Yeah, the majority of people use the episode discussion post to express quick toughts about how they felt about the episode, while others analyze things more deeply. Why does that bother you so much? I like to think about what I'm watching, but everyone have to be a critic (who agrees with your opinion) or they are dumb people with no brains? WTH is that? Anime is entretainment in the first place, not everyone wants to be a super l333tz critic as yourself, some people just want to enjoy a piece of entertainment without thinking too much about it. In what world does that gives you the right to act almighty and insult people for no reason? |
Dec 13, 2014 4:37 AM
#175
-Skyleo- said: Interesting point here. Can you explain further what you mean ? From the beginning of the series, Kousei is presented to us as a prodigy piano player, one that play the score perfectly and don't miss the tempo. We also get to know about his mother's training program, and a little later we also get to know everybody's opinions about Kousei as a pianist. What do we get from it? That Arima doesn't have his own will over the piano and all that he is just there to play everything perfectly and win competitions. We start to think that Kousei doesn't really think about much about the music he is playing or his tastes/feelings towards it. Isn't that right and wasn't it one of the topics we could see through the past episode discussions? Well, everybody (us and the anime characters) are wrong. The first to realize Kousei actually cares about music and his own feelings is Emi, but we don't get to hear what Arima played in that first competition so we can't really have a final say, but we do know that she got inspired enough to play the piano, and had a flashback of her feelings during this competition. Another factor that evidences that Kousei isn't about memorizing the score and reproducing as if a robot comes when he get his trauma regarding to not being able to hear the notes. Once he stop listening to himself, he can't keep up with the playing. He isn't playing because he just memorized the score, but because he actually learned the music and guides himself through it by both the score and how it sounds. I mentioned Beethoven right? Kousei could do the same if he managed to pay attention to the frequencies each note emit, and even if he doesn't realize this possibility, he still could fake his problem by simply playing by the score, since he is the human-metronome, right? Despite I said this as a certain thing, this is nothing but what I believe it actually takes place in the anime. His trauma isn't totally clarified, so this argument shouldn't be taken as a definitive thing. But the part where he decided to "play for Kaori" for me felt like a manifestation that he actually isn't the meme-metronomemetik guy we used to thnk of. -Skyleo- said: Yeah, I think it's probably something like this. I don't think it was that ugly, clumsy may be a more appropriate word, well, at least for me. About the string arrangement, honestly, I personally found it unnecessary, but it was beautifully made and I don't mind. Clumsy definitely fits the description of what happened, yeah. And the string arrangement was beautiful and even if unnecessary, its not like we're there to hate it, since we've seen something a lot more cruel done to Emi (Jesus Christ, whoever had that idea to add percussion and the guitar, just kill yourself). -Skyleo- said: Tbh, I can't help but think the idea to play music (or any other art) only for someone is err... "Immature", maybe ? I think the whole idea of 'playing music' is somewhat spiritual and constitute a long path toward yourself. You can play or make music for someone, I have no problem with that, but you have to play for yourself beforehand. I think that, after a certain age, you absolutely have to play in order to seek for yourself through music because it can help you to learn to understand and, musically speaking, appreciate yourself. Then it allows you to fully understand your feelings toward someone/something. And finally, you will be able to assume your choices and your feelings through your music/playing. It's a long process. Ironically, my point of view is also very cheesy, because, basically, it's something like "learning to love yourself allows you to fully love someone else", but I believe in this kind of thing and I find it more subtle and closer to the truth than just "I will play for her". And Chopin's music is not just about romanticism, his music is also all about subtlety. So yeah. As a result, I don't disagree with the message Shigatsu was trying to send in this episode, but I can't help to think it was presented in a clumsy way, the all "only for you, thank you, thank you, thank you" was, as far as I'm concerned, more reminiscent of someone like Lionel Richie than Chopin. I love the dialogue in Shigatsu. I think it's the essence of the show, but in this episode I find Kousei's monologue not enough poetic, and a bit too honeyed, maybe, I don't know. To do that in a recital is definitely an immature and selfish approach (he could secretly do it while playing it in his first attempt, whatever), but for the situation I think it was a proper resolution, since Kousei wasn't in a good mental condition, it felt like he was inebriated by his own thoughts and Kaori, enough to make he decide to do the "absurd". Just look at his gestures while playing, doesn't it look like he is alone in his own world (autism topkek omfg xDdDdD) enjoying himself for a while? I think this is the typical posture he would have while learning the piece, enjoying himself, smiling and laughing over the playstyles and possibilities he could give into it. At least it is something I do once in a while. While I don't disagree with your opinions towards playing music and learning it (its more than fitting, a reality for me and a bunch more of players or amateurs like me), sometimes the world can present us beautiful music through Kousei's resolution. For example, Beethoven wrote his Sonata No.14 while in love with his pupil. The fact isn't 100% proved, but not only this sonata is dedicated to her (well, this is legit) he was probably in love with her, as he wrote to a friend (in the same year he completed the sonata): "My life is once more a little more pleasant, I'm out and about again, among people – you can hardly believe how desolate, how sad my life has been since these last two years; this change was caused by a sweet, enchanting girl, who loves me and whom I love. After two years, I am again enjoying some moments of bliss, and it is the first time that – I feel that marriage could make me happy, but unfortunately she is not of my station – and now – I certainly could not marry now." The poet Petrarca also had a one-sided love with Laura de Noves and dedicated a lot of poems to her. Later, in Italy, some musicians started to compose madrigals using Petrarca's poems for Laura and among them there was Nicola Vicentino. Just look how based and beautiful this madrigal is |
surfboard_Dec 13, 2014 4:40 AM
Dec 13, 2014 5:47 AM
#176
It's funny how much of a difference there is in what he played at first, and what he played at the end. The beginning was so depressing to listen to that it almost seemed like he was playing off key :P |
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Dec 13, 2014 11:40 AM
#177
Shigatsu....i try to get angry with you with your over the top melodrama but why do you leave me so satisfied after every episode. >.< |
Dec 13, 2014 12:04 PM
#178
Shigatsu....i try to get angry with you with your over the top melodrama but why do you leave me so satisfied after every episode. >.< |
Dec 13, 2014 12:44 PM
#179
Lacertoss said: The ironic thing is that you are by far the most toxic person on this thread so far. And don't get me wrong, I am not a fanboy pissed at you by your opinions, as I too think that Shigatsu is a show FAR from perfect. Yeah, the majority of people use the episode discussion post to express quick toughts about how they felt about the episode, while others analyze things more deeply. Why does that bother you so much? I like to think about what I'm watching, but everyone have to be a critic (who agrees with your opinion) or they are dumb people with no brains? WTH is that? Anime is entretainment in the first place, not everyone wants to be a super l333tz critic as yourself, some people just want to enjoy a piece of entertainment without thinking too much about it. In what world does that gives you the right to act almighty and insult people for no reason? |
Dec 13, 2014 12:51 PM
#180
I disliked this episode, but I'm finally glad they finally sh*t the performance that was dragged for far too long in my opinion. Also I didn't feel any emotion from the performance nor did I feel the atmosphere they tried to create, so I really didn't enjoy all the commotion about it. :/ Shame, but hopefully next episodes will be better. |
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Dec 13, 2014 1:30 PM
#181
Dec 13, 2014 2:46 PM
#182
I must say I do feel slightly disappointed with the conclusion after all those incredibly build-up in previous episodes. This is by no mean a bad episode but I can't put my fingers on it. Kousei has definitely advanced in term of character development but I am not satisfy nor impressed by the story mechanics . Visuals and music wise are top notch once again. I don't think I can rate this episode unbiased, 5/5. |
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Dec 13, 2014 6:16 PM
#183
I really want to be immersed in this story, but sometimes this anime is too much. |
Dec 13, 2014 6:37 PM
#184
Don't play for anyone but yourself, Kousei. It's okay to get inspired by Kaori, but making her the "reason for playing" will eventually lead to the same trauma he was struggling with up till now. |
Dec 13, 2014 8:52 PM
#185
The episode ended and it seemed great and all but to be honest it felt like I was watching a 1 hour long episode with contents worth mentioning only of 5 mins. I am starting to think now the anime is getting more credit than it should have. I hope they pick the pace up. |
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Dec 14, 2014 2:42 AM
#186
Dec 14, 2014 4:35 AM
#187
Not a bad performance, but Emi's performance seemed better to me. Still, this episode finally showed Kousei getting over his fear of the piano. Really interested in where this goes next, hopefully not a tragedy. |
Dec 14, 2014 7:13 AM
#188
Dec 14, 2014 7:29 AM
#189
Great episode, Kousei's performance reached me as well. That music with violin, so overwhelming. At last, Kousei is improving with his play. Is that Kousei's sister at the end? |
Dec 14, 2014 7:41 AM
#190
A great but not without its flaws episode, the build up from last episode did not meet my expectations, yet because of character development i forgave it, but i must say, this show is floooding with flashbacks that were all acxustomed to.( i mean kousei stop with dem flashbacks, i know whats your story now so please stop it) I do hope the next arc after this is great and focus more on music part of the show, Kousei performance was to me, was exactly like the audiences reaction i felt "calm and soothing" And to you guys that say this is a "i love you kaori performance" i say you are wrong, its a "thank tou Kaori performance" as he is not stating he likes her , he's sjust saying thank you to her PRAISE TO EMI X ARIMA!!!!! |
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Dec 14, 2014 8:55 AM
#191
Does anyone have a high quality pic of Kousei playing with the cherry blossom and the starry night sky in the background? *.* |
Dec 14, 2014 10:44 AM
#192
Smudy said: Does anyone have a high quality pic of Kousei playing with the cherry blossom and the starry night sky in the background? *.* 720p screenshots~ http://imgur.com/2mbgtOT,pBU9WKW,dKIDTVS |
Dec 14, 2014 11:01 AM
#193
Thank you! Tried to look for it everywhere with reasonably good quality. :D |
Dec 14, 2014 11:16 AM
#194
Smudy said: Thank you! Tried to look for it everywhere with reasonably good quality. :D If you need anything specific, feel free to PM/profile comment me :) |
Dec 14, 2014 1:00 PM
#195
Can you feel the love tonight? I sense someone falling in love <3 |
Dec 14, 2014 2:56 PM
#196
Spring has come for a passionate adolescent. If you weren't turned off by the overbearing delivery of the show, this episode is quite possibly one of the most surreal, beautiful moments in the anime medium. This is what I love about the anime medium. This is why I can get passionate about my cartoons far more than I ever will for 'realistic' or straight up live-action stories. 10/10. |
Dec 14, 2014 7:55 PM
#197
God damn, I literally had to skip 3/4 of this episode because I kept thinking HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO DRAG THIS OVER THE TOP MELODRAMA???!!!! Way to ruin the music though at this point I'm convinced this show is more about over dramatic internal struggle while spouting as many pretentiously cheesy lines as possible than about music. It is great when they actually gave us music like the back-to-back performances of Arima's rivals but it seems those are the exceptions rather than the norm. |
Dec 14, 2014 8:02 PM
#198
Well that was a satifsying conclusion to that part. Really good. Loved how it all played out in the end. |
Dec 14, 2014 8:25 PM
#199
MoeGod said: God damn, I literally had to skip 3/4 of this episode because I kept thinking HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO DRAG THIS OVER THE TOP MELODRAMA???!!!! Way to ruin the music though at this point I'm convinced this show is more about over dramatic internal struggle while spouting as many pretentiously cheesy lines as possible than about music. It is great when they actually gave us music like the back-to-back performances of Arima's rivals but it seems those are the exceptions rather than the norm. I know right? I really hope theres no more melodrama after this and focus more on Relationship and music.....Especially the Music part |
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Dec 14, 2014 8:26 PM
#200
i love how there's two kinds of reactions in this episode. hahaha either: MoeGod said: God damn, I literally had to skip 3/4 of this episode because I kept thinking HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO DRAG THIS OVER THE TOP MELODRAMA???!!!! Way to ruin the music though at this point I'm convinced this show is more about over dramatic internal struggle while spouting as many pretentiously cheesy lines as possible than about music. It is great when they actually gave us music like the back-to-back performances of Arima's rivals but it seems those are the exceptions rather than the norm. or ZeroHumor said: Spring has come for a passionate adolescent. If you weren't turned off by the overbearing delivery of the show, this episode is quite possibly one of the most surreal, beautiful moments in the anime medium. This is what I love about the anime medium. This is why I can get passionate about my cartoons far more than I ever will for 'realistic' or straight up live-action stories. 10/10. |
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