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MegaShadowFist said: As someone who has never played more than a few minutes of any mmo, I really appreciate all of the info-dump that this show gives. To anyone who plays mmos, how long does it usually take to perform a raid in real life? I find it interesting how new things are being added to the "game" even after the apocalypse. I wonder how powerful that new skill ranking is going to be. depends on the game and how big the raid my last raid in RF online during my middle school year was 1-2 hours, i forgot |
| Great episode! As a long time MMO player, I'm loving these detailed mechanic explanations. Oh shit, looks like Santa Clause is coming to town. To murder. I'm getting nervous about how Tetra is getting close to Naotsugu. She better not mess up the Naotsugu x Marielle romance! |
MegaShadowFist said: As someone who has never played more than a few minutes of any mmo, I really appreciate all of the info-dump that this show gives. To anyone who plays mmos, how long does it usually take to perform a raid in real life? I find it interesting how new things are being added to the "game" even after the apocalypse. I wonder how powerful that new skill ranking is going to be. I am not a raid expert in fact the MMORPG I played most did not have raids. But the info I know on it a raid should take 4 to 6 hours to complete if done perfectly. But thinking about it in time is wrong you have to think how many try's does it take to complete. That could take days even Weeks for a guild. You also may consider that they may be a little under leveled for this raid too. Making it hard and longer just as is. Also Elder Tale uses a map that is half the size of plant earth that is so massive. For japan it might make sense but for the rest of the world it be so massive. |
xchee said: I was geeking out during the raid explanation. Tanks pulling aggro, dedicated damage dealers, rangers and mages in the back row, support team healing and buffing the team and also debuffing the enemy... Same~ Makes me want to go back and play the one I was playing for a short while earlier this year. But I stopped because I know I would get too addicted to it haha. Anyways, nothing more annoying than a boss that ignores aggro (well I'm sure there are more annoying things but yeah). Demikas is sooo annoying. He needs some serious anger management. Can't believe everyone's dealing with his soloing shit. So much patience. Hmm something ominous is coming to Akihabara while Shiroe is away! D: |
PoisonedTea said: MegaShadowFist said: As someone who has never played more than a few minutes of any mmo, I really appreciate all of the info-dump that this show gives. To anyone who plays mmos, how long does it usually take to perform a raid in real life? I find it interesting how new things are being added to the "game" even after the apocalypse. I wonder how powerful that new skill ranking is going to be. I am not a raid expert in fact the MMORPG I played most did not have raids. But the info I know on it a raid should take 4 to 6 hours to complete if done perfectly. But thinking about it in time is wrong you have to think how many try's does it take to complete. That could take days even Weeks for a guild. You also may consider that they may be a little under leveled for this raid too. Making it hard and longer just as is. Also Elder Tale uses a map that is half the size of plant earth that is so massive. For japan it might make sense but for the rest of the world it be so massive. Wow. I never realized that raids could take so long. I always imagined them to be rather quick one you got good enough. |
| Question. -Won't the monsters respawn? I mean, they keep dying and reviving at the dungeon entrance, won't the monsters that they defeated earlier respawned by the time they try to get in, no? Or maybe the dungeon only respawn after they completed it? -How about the boss's health? In my experience, when you leave an enemy alone, their health will regenerate or even return back to 100% right after it is left alone. (I ask this one because they look very satisfied with only scoring 10% of the boss health.) |
| I love Minimalist Arts. Such Simplicity, yet hold so much Meanings to me. |
| nigga please why didn't they just google the raid boss encounters' strats beforehand? such newbs |
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| Don't care what people say, I'm still loving Tetra. Such an entertaining character. So...who exactly was that at the end? Buffed up Santa Claus? lol |
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| damnnn best episode of the 2 seasons Great portrayal of mmorpgs. Wiping over and over again and learning how to overcome boss mechanics. I feel like such a nerd watching this episode :3 |
MegaShadowFist said: Wow. I never realized that raids could take so long. I always imagined them to be rather quick one you got good enough. Like I said I am no expert. The other guy said it could be 1-2 hours so I guess it depends on the game. Michael5191 said: Question. -Won't the monsters respawn? I mean, they keep dying and reviving at the dungeon entrance, won't the monsters that they defeated earlier respawned by the time they try to get in, no? Or maybe the dungeon only respawn after they completed it? -How about the boss's health? In my experience, when you leave an enemy alone, their health will regenerate or even return back to 100% right after it is left alone. (I ask this one because they look very satisfied with only scoring 10% of the boss health.) For number 1 in dungeons and raid it would be a design choice weather they respond or not. For number 2 yes in MMORPG All monsters seem to reset when players stop hitting them. I don't know of any MMORPG that they don't gain health back. |
Michael5191 said: Question. -Won't the monsters respawn? I mean, they keep dying and reviving at the dungeon entrance, won't the monsters that they defeated earlier respawned by the time they try to get in, no? Or maybe the dungeon only respawn after they completed it? -How about the boss's health? In my experience, when you leave an enemy alone, their health will regenerate or even return back to 100% right after it is left alone. (I ask this one because they look very satisfied with only scoring 10% of the boss health.) Yes on both points. But as time goes on you kinda get on a rhythm and get used to it. So it goes faster. That's why the main worry is supplies as William mentioned. |
| Good episode. Raid battles :D Demikas sure is pissed. William surprised at how much supplies Shiroe has XD Dat Shiroe-shaped Christmas decoration lol. |
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| I hate myself for reading spoiler in the wikia while watching the season 1.. now I can't get surprised anymore but it still really enjoyable. |
| well that guy from the ending of the episode must be the boss of the christmas event |
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| Tetora's a funny gal. |
SandyBoi said: Good episode. Raid battles :D Demikas sure is pissed. William surprised at how much supplies Shiroe has XD Dat Shiroe-shaped Christmas decoration lol. The decoration made me laugh too I missed it the first watch |
| Someone like Demikas would get tons of admiration if he can really solo a raid. He would be unusuable in a team-based fight, but why would he care if he can solo and is having fun? It was shown that he didn't exactly solo, with Shiroe buffing him, stunning enemies, others telling him to look out..on the other hand, nobody there has max level, equipment is lacking accordingly, and Demikas himself is pure rage. If Shiroe would play a different class, i'm sure he could work out solo strategies. I'm surprised that they are suprised that the bosses changed though. They didn't show the original level, but if they are all across the board it's no surprise. You really thought a level 30 boss that shows up in a level 90+ raid stayed the same etc.? |
| That was a nice raid episode. Although it looks like we are getting the other side next episode. Hopefully everything stick more to the raid side. >_< |
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| HAHAHA, YES FINALLY. Long have I waited, finally an 'MMO' anime with actual MMO mechanics in it! GLORIOUS, 10/10. DEEN didn't destroy the dream. They continued it! (though I preferred Satelight's animation and art for everything.....) For too long have I been content with anime such as, Sword Art Online, which calls itself an MMO anime, yet all it does, it has HEALTH BARS! Although we all understand the GLORIOUSNESS of Health bars. The SAO health bars are BLASPHEMOUS! They have no NUMBERS, and NO MANA BAR! What HERESY IS THAT?! Damn I forgot how amazing Log Horizon was..... it's been so long since the first season. Why is this anime not in my top 5? Probably because Mein Kaiser takes all priority, as good as Log Horizon is, nothing will ever beat LotGH. Why is Shiroe not on my Favourite character list?! Why u may ask? Well because my favourite character list needss more moeeee, and shiroe is a gamer nerd! THANK GOD HE IS A GAMER NERD, finally an accurate representation of an MMO player.... unlike that other anime that masquarades itself as something it isn't to lure in massess of unsuspecting nerds. Damn feels so awkward to write good stuff about an anime..... I always just criticize and speak BS in those 'episode discussion' threads.... |
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| Still doesn't feel the same as S1,the characters are lacking something they had in S1 that made me like them... Well atleast next episode will focus on Akatsuki. |
| Good Eps ! Man, Log Horizon never disappoint me ^_^ |
| I'm really hoping Akatsuki is going to develop a level of independence from Shiroe. I mean, I enjoy their relationship, but she could easily be a well-written character without needing Shiroe to be around. Sort of like how Rundel was well-written even without needing Isuzu around, you know? (<-maybe a bad example) |
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| I enjoyed this episode quite a bit, Tetra is adorable and I like her even more knowing her secret ;) I LOATHE Akatsuki, though; may skip the next episode just so I don't have to deal with an all-Akatsuki episode. I was enjoying the raid primarily because that little bitch wasn't around, other than as a device to censor the Big Guy. |
| Small raid to Akihabara incoming |
Takuan_Soho said: SAO was never supposed to be a "party" game. It's appeal was that it was the first Virtual Reality game (which Log Horizon wasn't until it became reality), so it was more focused on individual experience in VR. That was the appeal. Regardless of it's selling point, SAO is STILL an MMORPG. Considering they have guild system and also needed to form a party to defeat the floor bosses, it's simply absurd to say that it was never supposed to be a "party" game. SAO is an MMORPG anime that forgot that it's supposed to be an MMORPG, it's as simple as that. |
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| wow wonder what the new enemy is. |
| I'm digging these raid fights. Brings me back to the good ol' days when I used to play MMOs. |
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MoeGod said: Takuan_Soho said: SAO was never supposed to be a "party" game. It's appeal was that it was the first Virtual Reality game (which Log Horizon wasn't until it became reality), so it was more focused on individual experience in VR. That was the appeal. Regardless of it's selling point, SAO is STILL an MMORPG. Considering they have guild system and also needed to form a party to defeat the floor bosses, it's simply absurd to say that it was never supposed to be a "party" game. SAO is an MMORPG anime that forgot that it's supposed to be an MMORPG, it's as simple as that. The currently airing SAO mini-arc is actually about raiding a dungeon, but they only have 7 people and MMO mechanics are skipped in its entirety. It's somewhat a shame. The original SAO light novels actually went into a lot of details surrounding MMO mechanics, since the author has long been a MMO fan. I'm glad that Log Horizon has not forsaken the mechanics side of a MMO anime. |
| Demi-Demi is that rogue who keeps pulling more trash mobs without waiting for me to taunt first :( |
| Man, I hate aggro resets. D: If only every raid could have Shiroe around maybe I'd do them more often. I love how there are really recognizable aspects to this anime from actual games. |
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| akatsuki's been looking real suspect lately. seems ninjas can't be at peace unless they're with their masters. I sense a civil war been hero's and natives coming soon. this better be epic though. |
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| The main reason why i loved LH is the explanation, and they really showed it on this episode. As a rpg player, i JUST LOVED THE ENTIRE THING :-D I hope i can experience something like this lol. And Yes the Music did got better. And it looks like there is something more to this dungeon, like how they said something about a new skill level 'teachings'. And Yes, it looks like the other characters wont miss out the action. |
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| I love it when Shiroe explains the situation in battles, it makes it a lot more understandable to me! 2 bosses down, more raiding to go! Tetora healing everyone in her path! A new antagonist has appeared it looks like, wonder how his design is! |
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| great episode, it was nice to see some action and info on raids! |
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| The raid fights are awesome. |
| not much else to say but that i like it, and the raid explanation was cool. But I really have no idea whats going down. Something doesnt seem right |
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| Glad to see DEEN isn't screwing this series up, animations seems ok, the fights are interesting and i love how Shiroe's voice explains what is happening behind the raid. The hype is on. |
wigglejelly said: Too much explaining. it ain't log horizon w/o the detailed explanations. i actually like it though, gives me a sense of nostalgia i wonder who that character at the end might be. maybe , or maybe not. |
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| I'm still a bit confused about the details of raid mechanics. 1. When a player gets killed in a raid, can they re-enter the battle immediately, or do they have to wait for the other players to exit the zone or die? (I'm guessing they're just re-entering without delay in Elder Tale, but I'm not sure. I'm also guessing if all 24 players are dead at the same time, the whole raid gets reset, and they have to kill -all- the bosses again.) 2. Shiroe says raids can take over a month, but how is that possible in the real world? Does the raid not need to be completed in a single play session? ...Or is Shiroe including the time spent figuring out the boss's attack patterns in failed attempts? Aside: That character at the end appears to be the same one that was polishing the Royal Guard armour in episode 1. |
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