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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Story starts to move after the big deal a few episodes back :) Getting pretty exciting now :) I was afraid it was gonna stay at a slow pace till the end but that doesnt seem like the case. |
  "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
| I guess that explains the Chief's obsession with finding Vincent Law... Damn. That sucks that his family was killed partly because of Vincent, and that he doesn't have Pino etc. |
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| Good episode, I wonder what was with the beast people living in the caves. |
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| Great episode. Looks like Pino holds a secret. |
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| Very interesting episode. I love how some existentialism themes are mixed in the plot every now and then without it being too much. |
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| wow who thought that the chief will do this. |
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| Never once did i ever expect that the Chief to be the true owner of Pino.. |
| Damn, there were subtle hints from previous episodes regarding Pino's origin but I never did realize that her "father" was Raul! Also Kristeva seems to have no problems changing masters, she is one efficient AutoReiv though. If she were a real person she'd be great handling intelligence agencies like the CIA etc. |
| "We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer" |
| so those human looking beasts were once normal humans that got mutated due to the toxins in the cave. that's just wrong. and its a messed up world. so pino is related to raul. and those killed at the beginning were his family. guess thats where his hatred comes from. the rocket looks suspicious. it might be some sort of bomb. |
| I think Raul did a bad thing. Oh my. The model citizen threw everything away for his emotions. And it seems that "Proxy One" has made an appearance as well. |
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| Honestly, I feel for Raul at this point in the series. I can feel that he is very frustrated by a lot of things. He cannot catch the Proxy and Vincent Law and the Collective is giving him a very difficult time. Another thing to consider is the tragedy that befell his family, seeing it first hand was pretty much to bear. |
| "We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer" |
| I recall the chief mentioning that Pin was his real early on so I thought it wasn't a big reveal. Otherwise I wonder what will happen to him now, and if that missile is heading for Mosque. |
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| omfg !! O__O finally they arrived in Mosk .... and what? it's down >_>, hmmm... I'm curious about how it moves on ^.^°° |
Nayah said: Never once did i ever expect that the Chief to be the true owner of Pino.. Agree. And his family died because of Vincent. Well, that explains a lot of things. Great episode. It made me feel sorry for the chief. When he say "Pino" in the end. It was touching, though. |
| I always thought it was supposed to be obvious Raul was Pino's master. |
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| Oh my goddess, Raul has come undone! |
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Nayah said: Never once did i ever expect that the Chief to be the true owner of Pino.. It was pretty obvious in the beginning when his baby and wife died. Since Pino was the companion type for that baby, it made sense that Pino was related to him. This episode is pretty intense emotionally. It took a look at Raul's personal conflict as well as his ethics. He launched that rocket which is seemingly destructive, but it was out of a cause to rebuild humanity. Let's see what happens next! |
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kisarachan said: SecretNobody said: Nayah said: Never once did i ever expect that the Chief to be the true owner of Pino.. Hmm, really? Everyone is saying this, but yet, I remember seeing Pino with him in like episode 2 or something.. but maybe thats just my imagination xP No, I remember that too. Kristeva is so creepy - I can't believe she just switched masters. They were never really seen together before but Pino was playing the piano by the window after the Vincent inspected her on episode 1 and the woman at the house was being high and mighty to Vincent about his husband being Security Bureau something, on episode 3 Raul came home to a house with the same piano by the window so I assumed they were connected from there. |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
Teraspes said: Ummm... Since the Chief remembers seeing the Game Show from episode 15. Did the show really happen? :o Yeah, that was real. The show was broadcast across Romdo. MCQ was a proxy. That whole episode was to explain the back story and history of the world. A lot of what was covered will come in handy later in the series. |
| Daedalus says to Raul, "It's all your fault", hitting a nerve within his psyche. Raul realizes the ugly truth. With his strong convictions, fueled by disparity of causing and witnessing the death of his own family, becomes a renegade. He then tells off the Regent and his cronies then proceeds to outsmarts the system and launches the "rapture". Playing the piano in his last moments with guns pointed at his head, rocket launches off in the distance. What a masterpiece! Pino's "Papa" is none other than Raul Creed! What secrets does Pino hold? Seems like that rocket is heading for Mosque. |
| Story moves farther but these episodes are getting confusing again :( |
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| Now the story progression resumes. Raul did a great set-up there. He used the revocation of authorization (which he knows Kristeva will do) to trigger the rocket launch. Can't wait how will things turn out. |
| This episode was awesome..And Pino being Raul's Autoreiv..That wasn't expected |
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| I might have missed it, but now it's clear why Chief took this kind of actions. I remember when he stood in the mall like a ghost and the reason was ... enough. Is this rocket pointed at Mosque ? Probably ... |
| Very interesting episode. Especially the creatures in the caves. |
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sspit said: the caves and toxins are a metaphor for Romodo. As in Raul's realization, that fellow citizens are not free, in fact the opposite - they are confined to the city and absolutely dependent on its existence, the caves too serve both as shelter and coffin for the mutated people. It signifies that humans degenerate as they take shelter and separate, and ultimately become depended on their own sanctuary. There is a lot that can be deducted from this and compared to (like human's dependance on machines (Matrix) and plenty other things), but the main idea here was to supplement Raul's story and his decision. Just as the people in caves mutated and brought their own doom, the same thing is happening with Romodo and Raul tries to prevent his realization from happening. He shows contempt for Regent, who just tries to maintain the status quo and faces the truth, that he is but a powerless pawn whose designated duty is not to uplift the society as he was priding himself on doing this whole time, but to create false peace and maintain the constant era of stagnation, implications of which are now showcased a bit drastically with the caves. That's what I got out of this episode too regarding the caves :) but you wrote it out nicely. Also, the citizens cannot live outside of Romdo because they will get sick and die, a lot like how the mutated people in the caves cannot live outside of their cave. Although I never liked Raul much anyways, it is a little sad that his end had been inevitable since he took of the position. No matter who is in that position, they will all learn too much and then begin to see the ugliness of Romdo. They should really just let Kriestva to do the job...since she doesn't even care for her master anyways. Also, I didn't realize that Raul actually cared for Pino...I guess that's sad too. But seriously, he can't blame everything on Vincent. Vincent has honestly done nothing wrong. I know that Raul doesn't know that, but Pino would've been disposed of anyways because she had been infected with the cogito virus. Vincent didn't steal her away from Raul. Pino wanted to go with Vincent. |
| It seems strange in this episode how Raul seems to be grieving the loss of Pino, the companion autoreiv who was his fill in daughter, and not his actual child and wife? Nicely explained sspit, I didn't notice the correlation but now that you mention it, it fits. |
| Loving the setting and atmosphere. The information reveals are always fascinating. 5/5 |
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| Why does Raul Creed care about Pino now? Sent with Mal Updater |
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| This was another great episode. The mutated people in the caves are in a way a mirror image of what's happening in Romdo, were people are afflicted by their own poisonous atmosphere (of apathy and lack of emotion) and cannot come out, and those that do, die trying. Raul finally reacted emotionally to the death of his wife/new child and of the loss of Pino. Pino was quite clearly shown in the early chapters with the wife so it was obvious that Raul was her 'father'. No wonder he hates Vincent. |
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Theacurator said: It seems strange in this episode how Raul seems to be grieving the loss of Pino, the companion autoreiv who was his fill in daughter, and not his actual child and wife? Because his wife and child are dead, but Pino isn't. Why would he be mourning for Pino if Pino is still alive and well? Pino is the last remaining piece of his family, and Vincent took her. Everything makes sense when you add it all up. |
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| I thought he was just another arrogant bastard but this episode changed my mind. I feel kind of sorry for him now. Even though Vincent didn't mean to, he was the reason Raul lost his family, so it was inevitable that he would crack under all that mental anguish. And finally they picked up the pace. |
| I was tired so i didn't get it at first, but now i do and it is rather good. Poor Raul, i love the characters they are so good. I like how they say he is developing emotions he shouldn't have, it's like the humans are born to just be robots in a sense. I love the ominous feel to pino playing that whatever instrument it is :P |
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| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| So not only did Rhaul go kinda nuts this ep seeing Vincent everywhere but it seems Daedalus is also starting to go a bit crazy, talking to a picture of Re-L as if its really her @_@. But yeah great ep, felt bad for Rhaul in the end, although I thought it was pretty obvious that was his wife and child who got killed in episode 2 or 3 and that Pino was originally his autoreiv, so not a huge revelation for me. Curious whats gonna happen next now that Rhaul has just launched a nuke right where Vincent and Re-L are headed. |
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| Wp Raul, wp. |
| Wait, how is the Chief being the owner of Pino a surprise . . . It was his wife and baby that were killed by the Proxy . . . It is the sole reason why he hates Vincent. How did any of this make sense if you forgot that part? . . . |
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| Wow i did not see that coming. I thought that the wife and kid would play some part in the story, but i guess i never thought they were Raul's wife and child. Does he miss Pino? Or hate her? |
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OWell said: Nayah said: Never once did i ever expect that the Chief to be the true owner of Pino.. Hmm, really? Everyone is saying this, but yet, I remember seeing Pino with him in like episode 2 or something.. but maybe thats just my imagination xP Same here. |
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| Raul :( You will always be a citizen.. Finally, the plot kicks in. This is going to be one epic final few episodes 5/5 |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| Episode 1 when Vincent was examining Pino for the virus infection, the woman wanted him to take Pino with him because her family's going to have a real child. When Vincent refused, she was like "you're saying no even though you're just an immigrant. Don't you know I'm the Security Bureau..." I thought that was pretty clear indication she's Raul's wife. |
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