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This Jibril is so cute, haha. Man I really love this show. So much comedy.
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better episode than last week
But the characters are still weak
Sora is just an arrogant pervert, Shiro is expressionless and Stephanie a fool who always believes in them
at least the plot has improved, I think that the next episodes will be even better
Great episode.. but somehow felt a bit weird atmosphere-wise given how crazy last week was. Not that I'm complaining of course, the show's awesome after all ^^
Wow Steph's grandfather made some mistakes but he manage to stand up and fight to the end. Steph breaking down in tears was pretty good btw, seeing how her grandfather did all this, and giving her the key.
But Shiro and Sora manage to snag it and find the secret place XD.
DGemu said: To call her Steph or Dola? That is the question.
call her Dolaemon, problem solved ^^
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Oh wow. I did not expect there to be a Doraemon reference, especially since the author of the light novel was Brazilian (unless that random joke was not actually in the light novel).
So, let me get this straight, Doraemon reference - Dora-chan scene, Dragon Quest reference - zoom spell, Civilization IV reference - head on a pole from the preview? Haven't watched/played these, so can't be sure.
Also, is the Evangelion reference where Sora is detective-interrogating Jibril? It was a really loong time ago when I last watched Evangelion.
Wow a lot of hate for Steph's character, that's a shame...she's the sweetest character in the series, nice to see Sora eat up his words in the end. The late king made one hell of a gamble.
I watched both eps 6 and 7, episode 6 was hilarious and despite it being grandiose it felt like a cop-out in a weird way. Episode 7 for me was quite touching, I like the fact that the anime shows us that humanity does have great potential and I'm hoping Jibril will stop mocking "Imanity" from now on as she really is an "empty-headed academic". ;)
What is it with Madhouse and dropping awesome quotes from the LN? First it was Steph's epic description of sex. Now Sora's talk of how a real gamer wouldn't cheat.
yhunata said: What is it with Madhouse and dropping awesome quotes from the LN? First it was Steph's epic description of sex. Now Sora's talk of how a real gamer wouldn't cheat.
to be fair, there is only so much they can adapt from the light novel
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Poor Steph, having to deal with two crazy NEET and a perverted angel who his mean with her xD
To add to that, the hilarious censorship. And her name became literally an insult! :P
Steph, stop denying your love for Sora!
The elf girl eyes (the one we saw in the first episodes) remember me the eyes of Nia from TTGL.
Sora sure have his priorities right... To the cat-human land!!!!
Jibril can be scary some times.
Of course, it was the Imanity that defied the human-beast... Eight times x)
Can't they do something right without Sora?
But damn, Sora can be so harsh with Steph and the Imanity.
Even the King had porn mag. Though, it always baffle me that anime always use porn mag. Who doesn't use the internet for porn in our days?
I didn't thought that Sora had put so much hope in Shiro. If he says that he's dumb and shit, then I must be dumber than a vegetable xD
I wonder what he meant by ''I met her 8 years from now''. Is she his step-sister or even his sister-in-law? That was unclear.
Of course, the King greatest secret was already half-solved by Sora :P
That King was such the crazier gambler ever. Though, his fate in his people, pushing him to sacrifice his life and honor, was touching.
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yhunata said: What is it with Madhouse and dropping awesome quotes from the LN? First it was Steph's epic description of sex. Now Sora's talk of how a real gamer wouldn't cheat.
to be fair, there is only so much they can adapt from the light novel
Dropping the good parts is not exactly excuseable by that, you know...
Anyways, the two parts he's talking about, albeit not TC-ed on BT, are as follows:
Sora wondering how sex is possible:
These siblings held the hope of Imanity in their hands-- as the brother Sora, playing cards at the ready, spoke!!
“Hey, Steph. Where do babies come from?”
…………Maybe GG is still a viable conclusion.
One of the figures standing near the two responded with a cold stare.
“……That’s really not something I want to have to say to the ones responsible for the future of Imanity……”
She had red hair and blue eyes, and was wearing a frilly dress suitable for a fantasy setting.
With fine clothing, style sense, and bearing, she was a girl in her late teens.
--Stephanie Dora. Steph, for short.
The granddaughter of the late king of Elchea, descended from a venerable line, replied.
“—Have you finally cracked?”
Correcting herself, she rectified that statement.
“Rather, that would imply you’ve been acting normal until now.”
“Hey, I’m being perfectly normal!”
“Asking something like that so normally is what’s not normal!”
“Arrrgh, you’re so dense! What I mean is, in this world there are the [Ten Oaths], right!”
The [Ten Oaths].
A set of absolute laws for this world laid down by the sole god, Tet.
It was a compact which forbade all warfare between the intelligent races of the ‘Exceed’— namely.
【1】 All bloodshed, war, and pillage is forbidden throughout the world.
【2】 All disputes are to be resolved through the outcome of games.
【3】 In games, wagers will be made on what both parties decide to be of equal value.
【4】 Unless contrary to "Three", the game content and the things wagered do not matter.
【5】 The challenged party has the right to decide the contents of the game.
【6】 "As per the Oath", the wager will be unconditionally adhered to.
【7】 All matters for group conflicts will be decided by a representative.
【8】 If cheating is detected during a game, it will be regarded as a defeat.
【9】 The above rules are unconditionally everlasting, upheld in the name of God.
【10】Everyone should get along while playing games.
“……What about them?”
“I mean, bloodshed is forbidden, isn’t it. So how do you ‘make children’?”
“……May I ask why you’re asking that now?”
“I’m bored and it’s something that just popped up. But isn’t this a huge problem?”
Aware of the surrounding eyes on her, Steph leaned in to whisper in Sora’s ear.
“……In [your world], are humans born from eggs?”
The fact that Sora and Shiro had come from a ‘different world’ was a secret.
……which made having such a conversation right in front of a crowd of servants such a great idea.
That was why the eternally dumbfounded Steph spoke with such a frosty gaze.
“--H-hey! Don’t look down on me just because I’m a virgin!! I know perfectly well that when a boy’s pocket monster goes in and out of a girl’s secret garden, the world will turn!!”
“……Nii, that way of speaking……sounds far too much……like a virgin.....”
“If a virgin doesn’t sound like a virgin, what the heck should I sound like!?”
His 11 year old sister who was sitting on his lap reminded the king of his extreme unpopularity and that the years he'd been without a girlfriend equaled his age.
“A-anyway, doing that stuff will be inflicting an injury, right? Or at least the first time will!! So with the [Ten Oaths], how does humanity in this world breed!?”
It seemed like Steph finally understood that he was being serious. But then immediately--
“……Just let me double check, this isn’t some farce to publicly shame me, right?”
“—Seriously, thinking of something like that, what’s up with you?”
An eroge thought in a world without eroge.
The power of his imagination was almost admirable.
“Never mind, I’ll ask someone else later, you useless woman.”
“Wha— f,fine, I get it. I’ll explain!”
Cough cough, Steph cleared her throat.
“What constitutes as an infringing act is extremely obvious.”
“Ohh. How so?”
“It’s simple. Behavior with 'malicious intent' which goes against the Oaths-- will be cancelled.”
……--huh?
“Eh, so like, real-time censorship of the brain?”
“Yes, I guess?”
This may be a fantasy world, but isn’t that going way too far.
“That was why after the [Ten Oaths] were put in place, most laws became mere window dressing. Everything that we can think of or do must either abide by the Oaths, result from mutual consent, or simply be an accident.”
“Haah……the god of this place just does what he wants.”
“He’s the only god, of course he can do what he wants.”
--Authority sufficient enough to even remake the laws of the world on a whim.
And by now— with that, everything in this world was decided by games.
“Hm……I get it. So let me ask again, why is making babies ok?”
The one who answered however was not Steph, but Shiro who was cutting the cards on his lap.
“……If mutual consent is……'conveyed’……in other, words……”
“Ah, so if it’s an act both parties agree on it won’t count as an ‘infringement’?”
The kicks Shiro had previously dealt him still fresh in his mind, Sora finally understood.
If it was Shiro, he would agree with anything she did even if it was only a subconscious agreement. No wonder.
As Shiro continued to cut the cards, Sora yawned and spoke.
“Well, I guess that makes sense. If all bloodshed was totally forbidden, there wouldn’t be any doctors or the like either.”
As he thought once again that the Oaths were at least well designed, Steph spoke to Sora.
“So rather than saying that the world functions well, it’s more like the rules are simply extremely well enforced.”
“The world 'back where we were from' wasn’t like that~……”
……Surprisingly, a world without rules can still work.
Even if it’s flawed and inconsistent.
That was probably how this world worked too before the [Ten Oaths].
“……Still, in that case, I have another question."
“What is it?”
“Why was I able to grope your boo— never mind, that’s all.”
If you say just one more word here...Steph’s razor sharp glare that conveyed this meaning shut Sora right up.
“Well, that was a very interesting talk. It was a good time killer.”
“Did you just say that all this was a waste of time!?”
This was from the other three people seated at the table, opposite a sleepy looking Sora.
They were nobles, stripped to their underwear— three portly old men.
I only included that last bit to give you a sense of where it occured.
Siro and Sora solving the mystery room (something that was cut from the anime:
"--They're definitely ero books."
......And so.
Steph intensely regretted her choice.
"T-there's no way that's the case! How the heck did you get that from my description!"
"But he was in such a hurry to shut your father up."
"He, he said that was something different!"
"In the [previous world] Shiro and I came from, ero books were something statistically 90% of men hid away."
"......80%, also hid......ero, goods......"
"Yep. Well, this is an important key Steph. I had been worried there were no [side dishes] in this world."
With no words left to her, Steph fell backwards onto the bed in silence.
"But master, we don't know where the key goes yet......"
"Ero books are absolutely always hidden in the bedroom, in other words right here. Without a doubt."
"If it's a hidden room we've [found it already]. It's probably the one over there."
"......Huh---?"
At those words, Steph got up in a hurry and turned around.
Falling off the bed, Steph chased after Sora and the others.
"Firstly--the bed is tilted. Shiro fell off after all."
A few days ago Sora had indeed waken up inconsolable, Steph recalled.
"So if you push the bed and look closely, there really is an incline. Look at the decorative scales engraved on the plates at the foot of the bed. The scale is tilted to the left, meaning the left is heavier, meaning there's something on the left."
Indifferently.
With no catharsis whatsoever, Sora blandly revealed the mystery.
"Next, the bookshelf on the left. The intervals of the shelves are not uniform. Even though the shelves of the one on the right are."
"Eh, right......th, that's certainly so."
"They're irregular, but by and large the pattern can be divided into large and small."
He pointed at the rows of shelves from the top.
"If you take this as 0, the result is 01, 00, 11, 10. Converting to binary that's 1, 0, 3, 2. In this room, well the only book with over 1000 pages is the encyclopedia."
Saying so, Sora took the encyclopedia from the shelf.
"Now the first word on page 1032 is, in the language of Imanity, [lighthouse]. Well~conventionally it'd probably be referring to a candelabra or chandelier, some sort of lighting fixture."
Sora walked over to some candles mounted on the wall.
"There's been an indent drawn through that word in the middle, as if with an uninked pen."
As he spoke both Jibril and Steph looked.
There was indeed a faint dent.
"So it's referring to the candles on the left side of the room, specifically the [middle] candles. Furthermore that word is connected by three arrows on the left which point to related entries. So--"
He tilted the candelabra three times to the left.
"Finally, one single arrow to the right points to [harbour] on page 605 as a related item. Basically--"
He then tilted the candelabra once to the right.
Once he did, the candelabra slid out......
--Within were four dials.
"Shiro solved it from here, so I'll pass it on."
Tagging hands, Shiro turned the dials.
"......[lighthouse], [harbour]......Imanity, script......factoring in......number of line, intersections......"
Clicking sounds could be heard.
"......Perfectly......four, digits......answer, [2642]......"
As Steph and Jibril looked on stunned.
Sora, as if showing off rapid magic tricks, clapped his hands and rushed them to the next step.
"And with that behold, behind the curtain, one of the blocks of the wall somehow lifts out!......and it's pretty heavy, so earlier it took both me and Shiro some considerable effort, but screw that now. Jibril, if you please."
"Ah, yes, as you will."
Jibril focused slightly.
"Once you do that, well, as we said--"
Rumble rumble rumble.
"The bookshelf moves~"
Behind that now displaced bookshelf was--
"Something that looks like a locked door. The key should be for that, right?"
Taking out the key he had obtained from Steph, Sora spoke leisurely.
----......
Too leisurely.
Too leisurely, and too unceremoniously.
This must have been a mechanism the previous king had desperately planned out with all his cunning--
With even Jibril being taken aback at this carefreeness, Steph shouted out.
"J-ju, just when did you figure this out!!"
"Like I said, the day Shiro fell off the bed."
"......Nod nod"
--No wait.
Please wait, thought Steph.
"......Would that be the day you made me a dog, and challenged Jibril to a game?"
"Ah, you have a good memory."
"That's trauma I'll never be able to forget even if I wanted to! More importantly----!"
--Steph looked back on that day, from when Sora had awoken trembling.
Steph had lost at black jack.
They had then proceeded to decimate the nobles--then they had visited the libraries.
"Just when did you find the time to solve all this--!?"
"From when Steph called for the nobles, in that hour I guess?"
Without any fuss, they had solved it in such a trivial amount of time.
This mystery--that Steph had brooded over for so long.
As if it were just to pass the time.
Steph was stunned, but it was as if Sora wasn't even aware of their own achievement.
"Well, that being said we couldn't find the key, so this is as far as we got."
"B, but master, a door of that degree, even without a key--"
"Ah, yeah we could have picked it easily, but cheating in a puzzle game like this would be boring."
Sora laughed, and Shiro nodded.
Right, this is all, just a game to them......
Loosening up, Sora coughed.
"Now then--let us go worship the treasure books hidden within, ah, I'll blindfold Shiro first."
"......muu......no, fair......"
"Time is impartial. Please wait seven years."
"Haven't I been saying they're not ero books!?"
Sora turned the key he had gotten from Steph in the keyhole.
With the sound of refined fittings creaking, the door opened.
And finally Sora's opinion on puzzles, and rules in general:
When one comes across a yet unopenable door in an RPG.
Have you ever thought this?
'If I could use magic, I should easily be able to blast through', or the like.
And yet you can't. Why is that?
It's because of the 'rules'.
--Games are different from reality.
There are those who claim that they cannot make the distinction.
But even they have likely felt at times that *something is different*.
What separates reality from that which isn't reality- is probably this.
There has been much discussion on whether sports are games or reality, but that's besides this topic.
The reason is that the difference between games and reality is something more fundamental than that.
It is the 'absoluteness of rules'.
Taking the example from earlier, if you went with the realistic line of thought of ignoring the rules.
You could blow past all doors and the like without hesitation.
What if the world is in a crisis, and somewhere there is a door which requires a missing key to open?
If it's alright to grab everything behind that door as long as you have the key, there's no reason why you can't do the same without it, even if you do wind up accused of some property destruction.
How about when faced with a door that not even magic capable of defeating the demon king can open, why not just destroy the wall?
If you bypass the super tough 'door' like this, you could go and challenge the demon king right off the bat.
Even if you just whack away at the rock with the legendary sword, surely it should be the rocks which would eventually give way.
However, that's never the case. Why is that?
Because that simply *wouldn't be interesting*.
Yes, the rules are set so that a fun journey can be created culminating in a 'final objective'.
In chess it'd be checkmating the king, in soccer it'd be scoring more goals, and in an RPG it'd be defeating the last boss.
That being said, if you circumvent the rules to arrive at the 'final objective' early, that takes all of the fun out of it.
Therefore, the rules in games have a 'shared absoluteness',
Nothing about those are real spoilers as they are cut material, that, while not completely irrelevant, are not part of the anime, and I just posted it to show some interesting things, that were cut... sadly, in my opinion...
The spoiler tags are present, because they are a bit of a wall...
EDIT: Also, about the first one, it isn't entirely complete, because Steph, when Sora was insulting her grandfather, was begging Tet, that even if it cost her life, she wanted to sock him one. Meaning that thoughts aren't neutered at the root, but are stopped before execution.
Well, this is a repost since the first time i posted this, it was in the wrong thread... (yes, i was that stupid)...
This episode was, imo, the best episode in the series so far. It wasn't the funniest (which was episode 2, imo), nor was it the most epic (episode 6 obviously), but the revelation that Steph's grandfather wasn't just a foolish king was freaking awesome (tho, i have this feeling that i should've seen this coming... -_-)
I have no idea WHY i loved that revelation tho, but i did -_-
Chuckled at the part:
Grandfather: It's the key where I keep something very important
Steph: i know about that! I heard men keep books they can't show to other people!
And, well, what do you know, as soon as Steph gives the key to Sora
Sora: Porn Stash!(Background)
Steph: My life is a mistake!
Hahahaha
Anyways, I know this is REALLY late, but u know how the anime showed us in episode 1 that Sora and his sister brought their electronic gadgets along, and had solar powered chargers to keep their electronics running.
Anyone else found it odd that a pair of NEETs and Hikikomoris (is that the right spelling? Basically shut ins) who hate the sight of sunlight, were even carrying solar powered chargers in the first place -_-... i mean, if u have no intention of stepping outside ur dark little rooms, when would u ever need SOLAR powered gadgets??? Answer: in a fantasy world with no electric sockets or plugs, of course!... -_-...
Not that it really matters, it's jus a small odd thing i suddenly thought abt
The most annoying thing about some anime is that they don't know when they've died...
Duri1n said: Well, this is a repost since the first time i posted this, it was in the wrong thread... (yes, i was that stupid)...
This episode was, imo, the best episode in the series so far. It wasn't the funniest (which was episode 2, imo), nor was it the most epic (episode 6 obviously), but the revelation that Steph's grandfather wasn't just a foolish king was freaking awesome (tho, i have this feeling that i should've seen this coming... -_-)
I have no idea WHY i loved that revelation tho, but i did -_-
Chuckled at the part:
Grandfather: It's the key where I keep something very important
Steph: i know about that! I heard men keep books they can't show to other people!
And, well, what do you know, as soon as Steph gives the key to Sora
Sora: Porn Stash!(Background)
Steph: My life is a mistake!
Hahahaha
Anyways, I know this is REALLY late, but u know how the anime showed us in episode 1 that Sora and his sister brought their electronic gadgets along, and had solar powered chargers to keep their electronics running.
Anyone else found it odd that a pair of NEETs and Hikikomoris (is that the right spelling? Basically shut ins) who hate the sight of sunlight, were even carrying solar powered chargers in the first place -_-... i mean, if u have no intention of stepping outside ur dark little rooms, when would u ever need SOLAR powered gadgets??? Answer: in a fantasy world with no electric sockets or plugs, of course!... -_-...
Not that it really matters, it's jus a small odd thing i suddenly thought abt
It's the most intriguing episode. Build the world (which was continously going on in the LNs, but anime cuts, anime cuts...)
Also, The reason that they have chargers on them is the same they have portable devices.
The portable devices are for when the are gaming, and they can't stop doing it, just because nature calls. the solar chargers are there for when there's a black-out.
Which is yet another thing the anime didn't mention :/
Well, still only minor gripes...
That booby massage Steph gave Shiro in the bath, plus that weird shampoo that Jibril recommended lol.
Hah, Kurami sure has a girly voice now lol.
Sora still has his sight set on the girl animal kingdom that needs to be conquered, and it seems they were powerful enough to defeat Jibril in a game, even the elves lost 4 times it seems :O .
Steph's a Steph it would seem.
Awww, Steph started crying after the harsh things Sora told her. So her grandfather only lost things that weren't of value to Imanity in the games he lost it seems.
WTF... Sora met Shiro when she was 3 years old O.o? Where they apart or what until then?
orangpelupa said: btw the service was well integrated to the story but i still prefer less service for NGNL. It feels more appropriate.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ my opinion, not a fact
Well, I would agree that this show could do just as well without as much fanservice, but this doesn't bother me as much because it was tagged as "etchi" before the first episode. So it wasn't like I didn't know what I was getting into before I started and I could have decided not to watch for that reason; where fanservice of this scale would bother me is if I wasn't expecting it from the beginning and it felt more tacked on for the viewership (say SAO and Suguha).
But objectively speaking, yeah, they could have done without this shower scene. I am not as sure with other fanservice because for the most part I found their either funny or a nice means of delivering exposition, but this one had more of a "tacked on" feeling (i.e. we have to do x number scenes each episode) to it.
i'm hearing things about the flugels killed the old deus but how? ? ? ? when it took them 50 flugel including the strongest of them jibril to barely killed one dragon? then 200 flugel challenging on a god and loses, just how did they do it?
First, a relatively unneeded bath scene where the only thing we establish is that Jibril enjoys being bossed around and that Shiro hates baths. That shampoo contraption was just weird. +18 for sure!
Jibril is the first to question why Steph is still in love with Sora. I want to try a doughnut made by Steph too!
Then there was the Doraemon parody, coupled with the Evangelion one. Jibril's story of the Warbeasts was a great foreshadowing of things to come.
Everyone thought the old King was a fool, but Sora is the only one who thinks outside the box and finds a method to his madness. The fact that he was doing it for Steph in a way made it all the sweeter. The key to the secret vault! If the bed thingy led to the Kings legacy, I wonder where he hid his porn stash.... In fact, I wonder what Discworld's porn books would even look like..
That teleportation and Jibril's description of 50 Flugel ganging up to slice off a dragon's head. That happy expression when they succeeded in the flashback... reminded me of some Warcraft party clearing some badass quest. Flugel's don't take war all that seriously now do they, war in itself is like the ultimate real-time RPG for them.
Wednesday has been my favorite day of the week for 7 weeks now. I can't get enough of this show. This definitely needs a second season.
kramXD said: i'm hearing things about the flugels killed the old deus but how? ? ? ? when it took them 50 flugel including the strongest of them jibril to barely killed one dragon? then 200 flugel challenging on a god and loses, just how did they do it?
The old deus are still there, they are the number 1 ranked race now, the Flugel are ranked 6th. What the said in episode 5 was that they were created to serve on the front lines and kill gods, but that doesn't mean that they succeeded at it (unless of course they had more numbers), because if they had succeeded they would be ranked higher than the old gods.
kramXD said: i'm hearing things about the flugels killed the old deus but how? ? ? ? when it took them 50 flugel including the strongest of them jibril to barely killed one dragon? then 200 flugel challenging on a god and loses, just how did they do it?
The old deus are still there, they are the number 1 ranked race now, the Flugel are ranked 6th. What the said in episode 5 was that they were created to serve on the front lines and kill gods, but that doesn't mean that they succeeded at it (unless of course they had more numbers), because if they had succeeded they would be ranked higher than the old gods.
a dozen of Imanity would have easily killed a werebeast(even if it ended in a MAD), yet the werebeasts are 2 positions higher than Imanity. Why? simply because the ranking is not based on who could kill whom, but at what cost (well, most likely how much elemental they have, which has little to do with killing, and has no actual direct relation to the performance in the wars.)
Jibril is so damn pretty,cute and hot xDD
Loved that moment when the king was giving to Dola the key and she was like (is that the key to the room where you hide your porn magazines) ahahaahah
There must be a big true about how to conquer that kingdom,and Sora & Shiro are almost there :D
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