Monogatari Series: Second Season
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huuuh said: Sorry, misunderstood your question. Unfortunately, from Nadeko's narrative here we don't know any more reason but I doubt Ougi would have told Nadeko where it is just to have Koyomi stop her.hpulley said: It was 'thanks' to Ougi that Nadeko knew to go there looking for the talisman and 'thanks' to Gaen that Araragi had it in the first place. Things that make you go "hmm...." eh? I know that. What I mean is if it was just coincidence that Araragi entered the room while Nadeko was busy with looking for the talisman OR if someone advised Araragi to check his room. I'm asking myself that because Shinobu said things like "That doesn't explain why I, nocturnal as I am, was running around during day" and "Boy, did that niece wannabe ever pull a fast one on us''. Not sure, but it sounds to me like Ougi wanted Araragi to confront Nadeko before she could eat the talisman. |
| *nadeko beats the shit out of them both* me: wow, this is scary o_o *keep stabbing on koyomi, crying that you love him* me: gurl, you graduated to be a yandere! - later at the shrine - nadeko: let me kill him then me: yoo... nadeko: since whenever he lives, he dates girls other than me, i cant get him, so i just kill him me: YOOOOO!!!! STOP BEING THIS SCAR- oh wait, you graduated to be a yandere well, go ahead - later in her "spoiler" - *she slaughther all the dudes* me: WTH MAN, YOU JUST CANT KILL THEM OFF o_o conclusion: best arc so far *-* EDIT: just wondering, can koyomi really die even if his heart got removed/destroyed? remember at koyomi vs the onmonji girl she crushed his heart - literally - (at least in blue ray version) but his regeneration ability just let it healing back... hmm, i'm not sure whether immortality (or here in this case fast regeneration) is good or just a curse... o_o |
UrekOct 13, 2013 10:06 AM
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hpulley said: Sorry, misunderstood your question. Unfortunately, from Nadeko's narrative here we don't know any more reason but I doubt Ougi would have told Nadeko where it is just to have Koyomi stop her. Yeah, that would be contradictory. So, guess the fact that Shinobu was awake though being nocturnal is still unexplained. |
huuuh said: Well, we've seen it before and I thought there was even an explanation. He was riding his bike down the road with Shinobu in the basket in broad daylight in Tsuhiki Phoenix from Nisemonogatari, right? So I thought that she wouldn't just burst into flames in daylight. But I may be forgetting the exact reasons there.hpulley said: Sorry, misunderstood your question. Unfortunately, from Nadeko's narrative here we don't know any more reason but I doubt Ougi would have told Nadeko where it is just to have Koyomi stop her. Yeah, that would be contradictory. So, guess the fact that Shinobu was awake though being nocturnal is still unexplained. |
| It's quite funny to think that all this wouldn't have happened if only Koyomi had some balls and took Nadeko's virginity.. he could agree to be Nadeko's boyfriend so she let the seal go, destroy the seal, have (tons of) sex with Nadeko, break up with her. WIN-WIN! This might be the parameter for the last fight: LAST BOSS Nadeko LV 99 YANDERE GOD STR 70 INT 99 VIT 98 DEX 99 LUK 92 PARTY Koyomi LV 80 PALADIN STR 80 INT 85 VIT 98 DEX 82 LUK 93 Shinobu LV 95 VAMPIRE STR 85 INT 99 VIT 95 DEX 90 LUK 93 Senjogahara LV 90 WIZARD STR 72 INT 98 VIT 83 DEX 93 LUK 96 Hanekawa LV 85 ASSASSIN STR 86 INT 72 VIT 82 DEX 95 LUK 97 Kanbaru LV 88 KNIGHT STR 95 INT 70 VIT 95 DEX 80 LUK 82 |
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| I had this impression since the last few minutes of the second episode rolled in, but the way this episode and the entirity of Otori played out, I get the impression that both Otori and Nekomono:Shiro were written in a way they could be mirrored counterparts of each other in terms of conclusions. They're both based around the concept of making their main characters aware of their problems that are originated from their lifestyle/mindset and both arcs are archieving this via the same structure and plot progression style (first two episodes present the mindset that the last few minutes of episode two puts an entirely different perspective, etc.), but if I have to draw a parallel between these arcs, they both remind me of a situation of reaching the light at the end of the tunnel, and the source of this light is the difference that sets them apart. In Neko:Shiro's case, the source of this light is the natural sunlight since Hanekawa was strong enough to accept and face the error in her ways and sacrifice everything in order to change her life (and to save her friends from harm), but in Otori's case, the source of the light is the incoming express train instead, since Sengoku got crushed under the weight of realising that her way of thinking wasn't as innocent and non-harmful as she deluded herself to be. Which to be fair, isn't exactly the most pleasent thing to realise when you live a life where you don't want to harm, or even inconvinience anyone in the slightest, and you expect everyone to think this way about you, and it certainly doesn't help matters either that she's not mature enough yet to handle a realisation heavy enough that shatters the way you lived your entire life up to that point, and paints you in the very colour you wanted to avoid. |
| Godess Nadeko + Ponytail = Hawt. It's mostly the ponytail though. You know, becoming a god was surprisingly easy in this episode, easier than I though it would be. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
hpulley said: Well, we've seen it before and I thought there was even an explanation. He was riding his bike down the road with Shinobu in the basket in broad daylight in Tsuhiki Phoenix from Nisemonogatari, right? So I thought that she wouldn't just burst into flames in daylight. But I may be forgetting the exact reasons there. I remember that. But after Kuchinawa said it might be coincidence that Araragi catched Nadeko in the act of stealing the talisman, Shinobu answered that this train of thought is quite "convenient" and that doesn't explain why she was awake during day time. She said it as if can't be explained with something like "That was just coincidence" or some other convenient way. (Or maybe I'm just thinking too much into it lol.) |
| I loved how they fooled us by nadeko fooling herself. I cant wait till kaiki comes into the picture. |
| This arc has been thrilling from the start yet it has absolutely made me despise Sengoku Nadeko. Don't get me wrong, I love her character and the villainous aspect she gives off in Baitstory, but is it bad that I want everyone to just wipe the floor with her? |
| "Now if you'll excuse me I must get back to my Madoka anime. Pink lesbian saved time lesbian and now they're about to fight Walmart" |
| ^^^ It isn't fake... it is just something in Nadeko's mind imagining what will happen in six months when they come to the shrine as promised to be killed on graduation day. This is rather than it actually being a preview for the next episode which is Oni which happened before this, not six months from this... one more imagination or delusion from Sengoku as a parting gift... for now... |
Nysyr said: yukaru00 said: Nysyr said: Right. So I've really enjoyed this series but I am a touch confused still with this arc. I get that Nadeko has gone nuts after learning Koyomi has a girlfriend but why is she trying to kill Koyomi and Shinobu. Can understand the urge to kill Hitagi but... Anyone care to help me out? Araragi--Shinobu is a sort of chemical bonding. Araragi dies, Shinobu goes crazy. If the bonding is impaired, she'll probably return to her former self and she can do what ever she likes. Shinobu dies, Araragi will kill himself. As what he has pointed in their conversation in Kabukimonogatari which was removed from the anime version. 'They will die together when the time comes', though this was not clearly been applied in Koyomimonogatari. Long story short, Sengoku will kill every each of women that are close to Araragi, maybe Karen and Rara-chan too. OK this i understand, but why? Why has she gone so yandere and want to kill these people? It's very simple. The disability to control her own fear, delusion, and psychological state leads her to madness. |
| That was not fair to end! Having her turn into a villain in the series is just...just great. Can't wait for the following season, movie and this one isn't even over. |
IZEROIIOct 13, 2013 2:15 PM
RazorRamona200 said: Still unknown at this point. 3 arcs are done, 13 actual episodes not including recaps. 3 arcs are still to go including Hana which will be ONA or OVA after Oni and Koi are done. Could be 12 episodes, could be 13... only Shaft knows and maybe even Shaft doesn't know yet. They certainly aren't saying until very late, not until the discs are solicited for each arc.Humm, I wonder how many more episodes does this thing have? |
| Oh god, that preview, I think I will be "coming soon" also. Another amazing episode. I really didn't like Shinobu getting some punishment, I guess she kinda deserved it after all of the brutal speeches though. More please! |
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| I'm not quite sure what happened, but okay. |
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| This show continues to impress me, holy shit. |
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| Boring arc, boring "villain", boring everything. Meh. Without knowing, I bet she will get saved. This arc doesn't fill the rest of the season, does it? God, I hope not. |
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| Nadeko-chan was really one of my fav characters until ep 14 when i started to understand here char more still sucks to see here turn into to an antagonist though.. on the other side this plot change made this very intersting so i can't wait so see what happens next also Senjougahara-sama is the best!!! would kill to have a gf like here but we all know koyomi is the only one for her ^^ |
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| The episode was like no way with the twist of waiting. Hehe. Now wait for the next story. |
| This episode, nay, this whole arc was thrilling and exciting. And Nadeko... Damn. DAMN. I didn't really care for Nadeko before, but now I love her. Her development in this arc was nothing less than fascinating. Gahara-san and Shinobu are still superior, tho. In that order. |
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| This arc was amazing. EHHH!? |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| this is scary in it's own way -.- and another recap? :( |
| Latest episode I was like "Uh, I'm starting to like Nadeko", today I was like "NOOOO, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING NADEKOOO". This episode was quite heavy. Also, that smart move of Senjougahara, I'm expecting to see a well-devised plan to beat her. So, next episode is gonna be recap? Elite60 said: I have to admit it was a little uneasy seeing Shinobu getting stabbed over and over again offscreen. Same. |
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| Sengoku's story arc is pretty fucking intense, holy fuck. |
| Hitagi to the rescue... well over the phone with her verbal entrapment. Nadeko really has lost it. I'm almost surprised she went with the can't-stop-being-in-love-because-he's-dead thing... I was wondering why that didn't come up in an earlier episode... guess they were saving it. |
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| Wait, so this Nadeko vs. everyone is going to be a thing? Sweet. Although I probably should have seen it coming, I wasn't ready for full blown yandere mode Nadeko. The last few minutes or so were kind of uncomfortable to watch. |
| I dont know if anyone pointed that out,since I didnt read the pages before, but remember in Nise when Kanbaru said to Koyomi "It seems you've not yet recognized the true final boss's existence"? So now I have to take even supposed jokes seriously? |
ssjokgOct 14, 2013 4:26 AM
mugimugi said: That's pretty sweet. I definitely have to re-watch the whole series after it's finished.ssjokg said: Yes, there was even more foreshadowing to Nadeko Medusa in Nise.I dont know if anyone pointed that out,since I didnt read the pages before, but remember in Nise when Kanbaru said to Koyomi "It seems you've not yet recognized the true final boss's existence"? So now I have to take even supposed jokes seriously? |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: I marathoned the original 30 episodes of Bake, Nise and Neko Kuro in June before Second Season started and I'm madly trying to re-read all the books as we go through the television series as well but it is still getting messed up in my head who said what when...mugimugi said: That's pretty sweet. I definitely have to re-watch the whole series after it's finished.ssjokg said: Yes, there was even more foreshadowing to Nadeko Medusa in Nise.I dont know if anyone pointed that out,since I didnt read the pages before, but remember in Nise when Kanbaru said to Koyomi "It seems you've not yet recognized the true final boss's existence"? So now I have to take even supposed jokes seriously? |
| Man, this episode was hype. Nadeko is really good as a villain. |
AversaOct 14, 2013 11:53 AM
| Fuck.... The sweetest girl of the series became the most hated bitch...... Fucking Nisioisin Plot Twists..... 5/5 |
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| Stop posting spoilers. If you want to be spoiled or spoil someone there is a separate thread for that. You read the novels? big shit, please discuss it somewhere else. Annoying pricks. Overall this arc was a lot better than Mayoi's arc. I was so glued to the screen and I watched the last two episode of the arc together, that's was a very good call. I guess I now know why they call Niso the ''moe'' destroyer. It all ties it up to the last arc, Hitagi end, I'm gonna admit I'm scared shitless about what might happen in the last arc since I love Hitagi so much :S. Otorimonogatari 9.5/10. The level of quality of Monogatari second season is fucking outstanding, well done SHAFT and thank you Niso. |
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| That trailer was a nice teaser. xD |
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| Thread Cleaned Please keep this discussion related to this episode and or previous episodes don't talk about future episodes or the novels. There is no need to make quote pyramids of spoiler buttons. |
| So is this like taking yandere to the next level? |
| Ougi seems to be the one at fault here, but so is Araragi for not going through the trouble of hiding the talisman properly. -_- As far as all of them dying is concerned, it's not the ending I'd expect. Reference to a movie: |
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| I'm underwhelmed about this episode. It was entertaining, but overall it felt lacking. |
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ssjokg said: I dont know if anyone pointed that out,since I didnt read the pages before, but remember in Nise when Kanbaru said to Koyomi "It seems you've not yet recognized the true final boss's existence"? yeah, I remember this, but I already read Otori before watching Nise so I just thought it's funny to have a reference (or should call it premonition) like that. Since I thought it's nonsense when I read Nise. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1380698_1392190477684297_1178285952_n.jpg Reload said: I'd be awesome if they went through rigorous training for half a year to defeat her, but it'd make it harder to relate with the characters. We can relate with Araragi because he's so weak. Even if you were a vampire, it'd be impossible to take on a god. So in the end, I'm just wondering if they could actually defeat her without killing her. If they could take the talisman out of her body, I'd imagine it'd be possible. In this world, a legendary vampire like Kissshot can be compared to god. Actually she was worshipped like a god in the past (it should be mentioned in the next arc, Onimonogatari - chapter Shinobu Time). And I think Kissshot with her full power can easily kill Snake God Nadeko (though such fight like that can never happen) |
Reload said: Ougi seems to be the one at fault here, but so is Araragi for not going through the trouble of hiding the talisman properly. -_- I dont know Ougi's real intentions but Nadeko being fucking nuts isnt her fault. Araragi hid it inside magazines, in his room where he will lurk the most.I am sure any other location is way worse. |
ssjokg said: I dont know if anyone pointed that out,since I didnt read the pages before, but remember in Nise when Kanbaru said to Koyomi "It seems you've not yet recognized the true final boss's existence"? So now I have to take even supposed jokes seriously? I have been thinking about it since long time ago.. but seriously... if kanbaru know about it since a long time ago.. then WTH is happen? how can kanbaru know such a thing like that? I think kanbaru "final boss's existence" is different with Nadeko Medusa on God mode.. Reload said: Ougi seems to be the one at fault here, ah now you talking about it.. I know.. something weird here.. why ougi telling nadeko something like that? what? because she just want to start something new.. or just want seeing koyomi and his friends die? but, before you blaming ougi.. lets think about the reason why gaen entrust that ofuda to koyomi? :3 |
| Well, I've never even imagined that things are going to be this way. Nadeko is not Nadeko anymore :( Anyway the trailer for the next episode looks amazing :D |
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| whoa. nadeko turned into a yandere? okay, i did not see that coming, definitely not. and i love it. this is just... i don't even find any words for that. oh, senjougahara. such a great performance. her calmness and simple question "is my man still alive?" were great. it makes me realize once again how much i miss her. i want to see her more often /sigh dat trailer. jesus fuck, i'm completely amazed. holy shit. does that mean we'll see a full-on battle between them sooner or later? do we have to watch some other arcs before it happens? better question: will it actually happen or not? argh, i want to have an answer, but on the other hand i don't want to know any spoilers. and apparently next week will be a recap again, so i have to wait even longer to figure out what will happen next >_< this is not cool. i'm too excited! i can't wait so long! |
| ^ To answer one of your questions, we unfortunately have one more arc, Shinobu Time/Onimonogatari, until we can see the conclusion of this one. |
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