The Flowers of Evil
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| I enjoyed this episode, although I wish more was shown of what happened at the police station and with Nakamura(why she was so determined to get away from the police). I really thought the dream sequence was well done, I'm surprised there's still people watching who can't handle a few minutes of silence. I know a lot of people don't like this show, but doesn't it seem like the hates returned more in this discussion then the last few weeks? I still think it's funny there's people who come here just to vote it a 1 every week lol. |
amginex said: i assume youre being sarcastic. i re-read the post between your two most recent posts and i dont think anyone posted any spoilers. Or are you talking about when i said Maybe it doesn't seem like a spoiler to you, but for lot of us it is. Those who didn't read the manga probably have no idea where the whole thing will take. Just mentioning something upcoming without any detail can be a spoiler, it doesn't have to be specific. So I'd appreciate the spoiler tags as well. |
| To put it bluntly , it was shit. |
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| Amginex, sorry, I think my tone was too harsh. Absolutely no sarcasm was intended. Anyways, you already revised your post to insert the "spoiler" tag. Looks good. So thanks. |
| This really made me feel for the characters, the parents, Saeki, Nakamura, everything is so messed up for everyone. Nakamura did look very vulnerable in the dream and I'm really curious as to where this will go. I picked up the manga before the anime came out, but never finished, I have a feeling by the time this is over I'm going to want to go out and get all the volumes of the manga. |
| You gotta love Kasuga-kun. When the going get's tough, what is he going to do? "I'll write an essay!" I actually facepalmed on that one. I actually didn't find the walking scene as bad. It convey better than dialogue would how Kasuga's world seems dazed and confusing. And how his feelings for Nakamura are changing. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| OK episode. Don't know how it will end. |
| the long walk again! lol and i like Kasuga's father he's very cool he tries to understand his son problem he doesn't hit him or yells at him wish of more parents were like him but i do feel sad for his mother :( |
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| That change in scenery on the walk was intensely creepy and said so much about his feelings of seperation from reality and people. I love how they did the scattering of flowers when he had that vision of her. By the end I was weirdly touched by his resolve. :O |
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| Kinda slow episode. |
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| I enjoyed this episode.... liked it, no where near loving it. It was almost too slow and I'm back at a place where I want to punch Kasuga again but.... I want to get back to a place like episode 9 and 10.... I hope they do. I actually miss Nakamura being around more... |
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| I didn't really mind that this episode was pretty slow paced. I really liked Kasuga's dream, so trippy. This anime sometimes gives me a headache, but I'm hoping for a second season. Must be the most interesting piece I've seen. |
| The only thing you can rely on is that you can't rely on anything. |
| Lost a lot of time in certain parts but the last scenes were fantastic. |
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noctaf said: I laugh at everyone who can't appreciate the awesome cinematography in that walking scene. I'm amazed at the fact that some of you can't handle 6 minutes of walking, It's like you've never seen a Tarkovsky film in your life. Imagine them watching Bergman or Bella Tarr. Priceless. Well made EP, but did not like the plot direction. So he wil ends with Nakamura. Dislke that. |
| those long scenes are really quite annoying, i just skipped most of it TheMcShan said: boring lol YOLOSWAG this guy knows what they are talking about |
| Ah my weekly dose of masochism Now Kasuga, write in the Death Note: "Nakamura Sawa". Thats how the show will ends, thank you. |
noctaf said: I laugh at everyone who can't appreciate the awesome cinematography in that walking scene. I'm amazed at the fact that some of you can't handle 6 minutes of walking, It's like you've never seen a Tarkovsky film in your life. To be fair, they probably haven't. It's a long way from One Piece and Clannad to Tarkovsky! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| ^ I am ashamed to admit that I had never heard of Tarkovsky and had to Google him and read the Wikipedia article. He didn't make many movies. He won some film festival awards. "Solaris" is the famous SciFi classic that people here might know about. He was famous for really, really long takes, up to eight minutes long. It seems that his movies were more "art films" rather than things that most people wanted to watch. Even in his native Russia, in the days of communism, his movies would only be shown in an extremely small number of theatres. There were hardcore fans who loved them. In order to be shown commercially in the United States, they had to be edited down quite a lot. So I am guessing that a few of the long takes would be made a bit less long. In conclusion, the work of Tarkovsky is clearly brilliant but not useful from a business point of view. You mentioned Clannad. Well, now that I think about it, Clannad: The After Story did, in fact, have one scene that was, basically, one long take. It was very, very well done. Clannad: The After Story is an anime series that a lot of people like, and that scene is an excellent example of how a long take can be great if the director has the insight to know when and how to use it. If anybody here has watched Clannad: The After Story, please don't give away hints or spoilers about that scene. But just to be specific, I am talking about Episode 16, "White Darkness" "Shiroi Yami" (白い闇). - - - - - - - If you enjoy long, long takes in art films made by acclaimed genius directors who consistently get awards at international films festivals such as Cannes and Berlin, then you might enjoy this excerpt from a film by Taiwanese director Hou Hsiao-Hsien. Dialog in Mandarin. No subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWuC9zvCRbk |
okanaganJun 18, 2013 11:37 AM
| This show is really becoming a chore to watch. It would be horrible to watch it on live TV. Being able to fast forward makes it tolerable. It seems like the story has already peaked Yeah. It kind of looks like all of the issues have been resolved, everybody learned their lessons and misunderstandings have been cleared up. They are all sadder but wiser. It would be a great place to end the series. But they need some filler episodes to round out the 13-episode slot. So my guess is that we will see (a) a festival episode where they wear yukatas, scoop fish and watch fireworks and (b) a beach episode where the girls wear swimsuits, the boys smash a watermelon open, and everybody yells, "It's the ocean!". but no one has developed or acts rationally This is good. These kids are all supposed to be in Grade 8. |
okanagan said: ^ I am ashamed to admit that I had never heard of Tarkovsky and had to Google him and read the Wikipedia article. He didn't make many movies. He won some film festival awards. "Solaris" is the famous SciFi classic that people here might know about. He was famous for really, really long takes, up to eight minutes long. It seems that his movies were more "art films" rather than things that most people wanted to watch. Even in his native Russia, in the days of communism, his movies would only be shown in an extremely small number of theatres. There were hardcore fans who loved them. In order to be shown commercially in the United States, they had to be edited down quite a lot. So I am guessing that a few of the long takes would be made a bit less long. In conclusion, the work of Tarkovsky is clearly brilliant but not useful from a business point of view. Taiwanese director Hou Hsiao-Hsien. Dialog in Mandarin. No subtitles. Tarkovsky is critically acclaimed as one of the best directors in entire history of Cinema. He has notable positions in 1001 Movies You Should Seen Before You Die(and this book is quite popular) and many others list. To be fair he is more well known than Hou Hsiao-Hsien. But Hou Hsiao-Hsien is probably influenced by Tarkovsky. I like them both. Some spectacular movies. But there are longer and slower movies. I have no idea why anime fans can not tolerate anything slower than rampant action. Well it is only 20 minutes Episode... Give me a break. |
Marzan said: You gotta love Kasuga-kun. When the going get's tough, what is he going to do? "I'll write an essay!" I actually facepalmed on that one. lmao, this, precisely. Even though I'm not a big enthusiast of the walking scenes I still find them relevant, especifically as a mean to make the viewer emphathize with our protagonist; at this point it feels like the whole pacing is meant to make you experience his same anxiety. (If you are a bit impatient, that is.) It's a resource often used in literature, to tell each action with excruciating detail so you end up feeling like the protagonist him/herself. Also, it makes me kinda sad that this show most likely won't get a second season, but a good original ending will be ok for me. |
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| Takuan_soho wrote: Kasuga is a boring protagonist, He is 14, in Grade 8. 14-year-olds are boring. Children up to age 12 are fun to watch in stories. Young adults aged 16 and up are fun to watch. People become boring again after they get too old and lose the energy needed to do exciting things. i.e. 30+. Age 14 is the age of maximum boredom. On the other hand, 14-year-olds are kind of emotionally messed-up, so they might do something interesting such as stealing a girl's gym clothing. And then the fun ensues. I have been rooting for the two girls to get together for some fun. This sounds like a wonderful suggestion for an OVA. Please send a tweet to the anime director to let him know. Their official Twitter account is here: https://twitter.com/akunohana_anime my Soviet Film experience is from the preceding generation Battleship Potemkin (Броненосец «Потёмкин») (1925) was named the greatest film of all time and it is only 75 minutes long. Not too many longish takes, I am guessing. - - - - - - - Also, while I am mentioning tweeting: You can tweet Saeki's rotoscope actress ( 三品優里子) here: https://twitter.com/yrk_msn Ai is Saeki's best friend. You can tweet her voice actress (上村彩子) here: https://twitter.com/uemura_ayako You can tweet the voice actress for Nakamura (伊瀬茉莉也) here: https://twitter.com/Ma_ri_ya_i The rotoscope actress for Kasuga's mom (冴月里実): https://twitter.com/Satomi_SayuZuki Voice actor for Kasuga's other friend Kojima (浜添伸也): https://twitter.com/voice_hama |
okanaganJun 19, 2013 12:53 AM
| Starting to wonder again, what was the point of rotoscoping all this into anime. This could have done fine as a live-action show, and indeed whenever I watch this I never lose the feeling that I'm watching what is practically a live-action show. I doubt they did this just so they could give roles to the voice actors, who otherwise would not be voicing the characters instead of the actual actors in a live-action setup. Here we go again with the very long walking scenes. As if they haven't wasted enough time already. They sure love to overdo this, and while it's supposed to show what Takao's feeling now or what's going on through his head - the duration is just too much. I have to hand it to Takao's seiyuu for doing a good job at making him sound like a total wuss, though. Truth be told I'm only sticking with the anime because I've already read far into the manga scans and I'm curious with the adaptation's take on the events in the story. |
| Kasuga's family and his friends no longer see him as him anymore. Saki broke up. I wonder what will happen to her now? Poor Nakamura. She looked helpless in Kasuga's dream. Dat walking scene again. Breathless and symbolic. Creepy Flowers of Evil on the ground 0___0 |
| rotoscope vs real...includes some cool Nakamura scenes and nice music video with several OPs and EDs? |
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| some more... and this... |
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| Lol it's funny seeing the live action. It is scary how accurate the cross dressing pigtails classmate is *_* |
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| A lot of walking again... |
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| The reason most anime fans don't like the walking sequences is because they're all fatasses. |
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| @Marko3 Now I see why the voice acting sounds so genuine and the art style is the way it is. |
Durbikins said: <3The reason most anime fans don't like the walking sequences is because they're all fatasses. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
| So I'm not sure that I like the insinuation that Nakamura needs Kasuga to be happy in life. I did enjoy the surrealism in this episode. And the emotional catharsis that comes from understanding what you should have done in a given situation when it's after the fact. Loved it. Kasuga knows now that Nakamura and him should be together. Or at least that he likes it when she calls him pervert. Whatever, point is is that I'm excited for the next two episodes. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
Oh Kasuga, he's so pitiful I'm surprised he doesn't f*ck up breathing. I can't see anything good coming from his naive mindset. Then again, this should wouldn't even exist without dumb decisions. |
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| i find it intresting how girls who show no intrest in Kasuga make him want them, and when they finally show interest in him, he doesnt want to be bothered. He is pretty much repeating the same thing he did in the beginning with Saeki , being an absolute creep. wont be surprised if he steals her underwear. I didn't believe Kasuga was a "Deviant" but he is one after watching this more and im sure it would be a Creeper or a Rapist. better yet, a "Lady Killer" over all, great episode, i wonder what Nakamuras Door said... l |
Marko3 said: some more... Oh my Jesus. Dat pigtailed classmate. |
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