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Jun 14, 2013 1:35 PM
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Yukino waving at Hachiman was super cute. Initially she was just the usual cold bitch and said sayonara without even looking at Hikigaya. But then reflected that it was too cold, and she really wants to be nice to Hachiman :D. The effect was a bit awkward, but it was probably her first time being "the nice girl".
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WAHA. Sagara got what she deserved!! FINALLY She's been pissing me off for the past two (?) episodes. -3-

But, good episode. I liked the awkward YuixHachiman ending they had going on there. And Yukinon is growing up (~'3')~
Not only that, but that BL play and all those slogans gave me a good laugh!
Jun 14, 2013 1:40 PM

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BloodyNightsky said:
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Yukinoshita brightened up immensely after Yui's initiative and visit. Kudo's to Yui for being the icebreaker between Yukino and Hachiman too. And boy was she clever in setting herself up for a nice little date with Hachiman.

I've been doubting all this time what onee'san is up to, but after this episode it's clear to me that she does love her sister and is trying to give her some tough experiences in order to help her break out of her shell.


THIS. :)

Just pointing out.She isnt planning in helping just Yukino.She chases 3 targets: Hikki,Yukino and them as a couple.The teacher sent him in the comitee there because,I suspect,she agreed on Harunos plan.Can't you remember that she plans to pair them?
It looks too much like a masterplan done by Haruno and Shizuka.
Do you honestly think that in an anime things,especially in this one,like these ones just HAPPEN to look like that?
Haruno clearly said that she made herself,not clearly but you get what I mean,a common enemy to help them both separate and as a couple since she wants them to team up expecting they'll get closer to one another.


The "She" that you're talking about.. is that Yukino's sister Haruno? If it's her, then I don't think that this was all planned.
But it might be. :) But for me, I didn't feel it that way.. that this was all planned by Haruno just to let Yukino and Hikki to be more closer and then to become a couple. For me, Shizuka put Hikki in the committee because she believed in him. That Hikki can solve this conflict :)
Jun 14, 2013 2:10 PM

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and the Oscar for best MC 2013 goes to...Hachiman
Jun 14, 2013 2:32 PM
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Wow... i don't really understand why peoiple are so cross with Haruno.
1. She NEVER approved of Sagami from the moment she was late for the meeting in the previous ep. Haruno did put a thick facade, being friendly with Sagami after all but her first reaction is utter despise. She just doesn't want to be harsh to people so that's why she puts all that "thick facade".
2. Her laugh was coming from heart, i guess. Btw, the slogan 8man came up with is really smart and funny, can't blame her, honestly :)
3. I guess she's really worried about her little sister and cares a lot about her. I guess the series made it obvious with her line "conflict and developement go hand in hand" that she just wants to give her sister extra motivation to do better with the festival and to look out for her as well.
I really think Haruno is the best ^_^
Though no Hachiman X Haruno is possible as Haruno would never do smth like that to her little sister.


I dont get it either. She clearly on 8man and yukino's side of things against sagami. She's perceptive like yukino, but isnt as harsh/abrasive as her sister.

I'm actually less of a fan of yukinon than I am of haruno. for me, yukino still never really answered the question of car accident.....why she pretended she never knew 8man prior to the service club/why she ignored the car accident..........a quick little 'see you 2m' wave isnt endearing in any way when you have a salami as big as that hanging over the relationship
Jun 14, 2013 2:36 PM

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Oh shit this episode was amazing, I liked this better by the episode.
Only 2 episodes left, I don't want to see this one go, it's too good for that...
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Jun 14, 2013 2:43 PM

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13man18 said:
I still can't get over the play.
Yaoi fangirls everywhere!

ainky said:
and the Oscar for best MC 2013 goes to...Hachiman
YES
Jun 14, 2013 2:43 PM

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I hope he can change the world.

Lol @ fujoshi gir and their fansl XD

8man's slogan was indirectly referring to Sagami.

Sagami got what she deserved!!!! She fell apart on stage. If she does something 8man and Yukinon I will.....

That preview sounded like a last episode feeling.
Jun 14, 2013 2:47 PM

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aw dat cheeky sister and a jelly yukino. BEST IMOUTOS.
Jun 14, 2013 2:54 PM
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I dont get it either. She clearly on 8man and yukino's side of things against sagami. She's perceptive like yukino, but isnt as harsh/abrasive as her sister.

I'm actually less of a fan of yukinon than I am of haruno. for me, yukino still never really answered the question of car accident.....why she pretended she never knew 8man prior to the service club/why she ignored the car accident..........a quick little 'see you 2m' wave isnt endearing in any way when you have a salami as big as that hanging over the relationship


A couple of things, first Sagami was never a threat. Haruno knew this from the start, she was using Sagami to get what she wanted from Yukino. Sagami wasn't a villain or a boss, she was outclassed from the start by the sisters. Haruno isn't a villain either, she is quite aware of what was going on and why. Her talk with 8man showed that.

Second, Yukino did answer the accident. When she apologized at the end of episode 10, she was apologizing to 8man.
Jun 14, 2013 3:22 PM

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What should I start with? Every part made me laugh.

Hachiman favourite: "This is not honey toast. It's bread. It's just bread. The honey did not soak into the whole thing. It's also hard. And you are eating my fresh cream part, aren't you?" You made my day, Hachiman! :D

I did not get a favourite character since a long time. I love him!
Jun 14, 2013 4:30 PM

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So glad Sagami got what she deserves.

The play was great lmao, awesome episode.
Jun 14, 2013 5:00 PM

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I am seriously considering pumping this up to a 10/10. Outstanding episode. Watching it for the third time now.
By the way, am I the only one who doesn't hate Sagami that much? I know she acted like a bitch and all, but her actions were very realistic and made a lot of sense, all things considered. Don't tell me you guys never had a leech in a group assignment or something before in school.
Jun 14, 2013 5:15 PM

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Totsuka Saika best Oregairu XD
Keep moving forward
Jun 14, 2013 5:44 PM

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Did anyone else see an improvement in animation quality compared to episode 10? Ep 10 looked kinda bad with rough lines on the faces and backgrounds, while this episode looked much smoother. Maybe I'm just seeing things.
Jun 14, 2013 5:53 PM

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Sagami should apply cold water on burned area.
Hikki pretty much destroyed her mentally.
Jun 14, 2013 6:12 PM

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Man Sagami on stage was hard to watch...

8man's cold, self antagonizing methods never fail to be interesting.
Jun 14, 2013 6:25 PM

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So Hikigaya chose to make himself the bad guy again by pretending to be the lazy victim...which he has legitimate cause for. Are the rest of the committee so blind to not see the mountain of paperwork they keep piling onto his desk since the start of the cultural festival? Hypocrites. Every last one of them criticizers.

It's about time Sagami realized her own self-worth was significantly lacking.
Jun 14, 2013 6:54 PM

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lindsayzzz said:
Let's face it, Yukino and Hachiman are made for each other. Hachiman went all out and made all those nasty comments ridiculing himself which made everyone disgusted at him but made Yukino laugh. Yukino even waved at Hachiman. I seriously love their interactions with each other. Sagami's confidence plummeted and she became a massive wreck. I laughed so hard at the BL play. Go Saika! xD Haruno acting very sly as usual. One of the best episodes of Oregairu. Also the title of the next episode made me laugh. :)
I agree so much with this.

Hachiman and Yukino's conversations are so fun to watch.
Jun 14, 2013 6:54 PM

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Another decent episode. Glad to see Sagami got what she deserved.
Jun 14, 2013 7:08 PM

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Enjoyable as always, will miss this series in 2 weeks.
Yukino's home hair was HNGGHH

Also someone please remind me how that fujoshi girl is popular lulz
Jun 14, 2013 7:45 PM

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i laughed so hard with her poker face after hiding the laugh lolol
Jun 14, 2013 8:01 PM

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They need to rename the anime:

The Philosopher of Japan.

Seriously though, i thought hachiman was just an ordinary kid with no friends and a biased view on humanity. Now he's just.....wow lol
Jun 14, 2013 8:01 PM

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Hybridbloodszak said:
Totsuka's a trap, Totsuka's a trap, Totsuka's a trap

So if I understood the situation correctly, Hikky made himself look like the common enemy acting lazy so everyone would would be forced to stay at the meetings and work the festival including Sagami which is what she was avoiding. His slogan he tried to pass helped get that point across to Sagami realy shaking her up. Her incompetency showed as a result, slowing the production down at the play for example.

Still unclear about Haruno and what she truly wants for Yukinon/is after. Sometimes it seems like she does things in her best interests but at other times we've seen her antagonizing Yukinon. Hope to see more of her motives in a clearer light.

Haha Hikky's reaction to realizing Yui wanted a date with him for the toast she made for the both of them. Why is she waifu seiyuu of the season voicing Yuigahama and Chi-chan from MaouSama?

I think he's one of the more interesting characters to come along in a while. That he's been able to crack the glacier ice encasing Yukinon is a testament to that.

As for Haruno, I think she wants Yukino to live a somewhat normal life, especially not the one of solitude that she is moving towards. She sees Hachiman as being someone who can not only reach her, but induce Yukino to reach out as well. I wonder how well she knows Hiratsuka-sensei and whether either of them gave the other ideas. Funny how two of the most introverted characters to lead a show have correspondingly extraverted sisters.

Dunno how it's gonna end but it looks like there has to be (unless a lack of resolution is the season's target) a collision between the two female leads. They're both appealing but ….

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Is it just me, or is this arc really boring? I dunno, I think the cast is interesting, but the drama they're in is making me yawn. The only saving grace for this episode for me was Yui.
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Well, from the episodes leading to this one you can tell they arn't going to go overheaded with drama, which i find quite refreshing cause with all the stupid melodrama shows that do this aka Toradora and they're high school kids they just want to live a normal life without conflict. IMO i don't find a problem with the way the show does drama.

I was just thinking about this as well. I really like the characters and I like the show overall but there's something missing from the story that makes this show good instead of great. It's not the lack of world-saving drama though. Hyouka recently demonstrated that you can have a great show in a perfectly mundane world.

Not sure if it isn't intentional though. The show's creators may feel that it's more important to get the characters right. I think they've done that with all of the main characters and several of the supporting ones. Of course, I think they failed with Sagami. She isn't really strong enough to be a good foil and with each episode, she descends further. If this keeps up, she may not be able to get out of bed without Yukinoshita's assistance.
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Jun 14, 2013 8:08 PM
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Mockman said:
As for Haruno, I think she wants to break Yukino out of her shell, and she sees Hachiman as being the first guy who could do that. I wonder how well she knows Hiratsuka-sensei and whether either of them gave the other ideas. Funny how two of the most introverted characters to lead a show have correspondingly extraverted sisters.
Actually, that's wrong. That 'extraverted mask' of Haruno is simply a mask to hide her inner self that is actually rotten as Yukino can be. She simply likes to cause a trouble and make a use of situation, simply that. She will just help or interfere them without real reason.

It's in the novel, but Hiratsuka says that Haruno never really was a ideal-perfect student. She said even people knew that act of Haruno is a mask, still thought good of her due to her outgoing characteristic. Hachiman obviously dislike her for that.
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I am in love with this show, omfg.
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Jun 14, 2013 8:44 PM
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Anyways, if you guys can read japanese or if there is english translation or w/e, must read it. We know this is already good series, but original novel is even more mindblowing. Too good to read it alone.. T_T
Jun 14, 2013 8:54 PM

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Hachiman is a pretty interesting character. It's funny how he dosnt really care about his image and just says things to help his "friends". Another great episode, only 2 left though which sucks because this is a great anime.
5/5
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Jun 14, 2013 9:01 PM

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Bravo 8man.. once again Bravo!!
He should play Light's role in Death Note xD
Lol SaikaxHayato and every girls watching it are 'fujoshi' fangirls
Also Lol Hina's epic nosebleed

Hmm.. should I pity Sagami a bit??
And so, 8man and Yui and Yukinon youths continue being wrong?
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Absolutely loved the episode. Looks like Yukino fell for Hachiman after that speech. Loved Hachiman's input, Yukino's laughing and loved how Sagami got what she deserved.

Though it looks like the next episode will revolve around actually helping Sagami overcome her grief.

20/5 episode
Jun 14, 2013 10:13 PM
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Really LOL at Yukinon poker face xD. Serves you right Sagami!!
Jun 14, 2013 10:57 PM
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oh come wheres the romance
Jun 14, 2013 11:00 PM

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I am pretty sure you don't wanna know where...
Jun 14, 2013 11:26 PM

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I've watched a lot of romantic comedies and still can't pick where this one is going to end up. I feel like they have been baiting us from the start to want a Hikky/Yui combo but are going to troll and do a Yukinon or no one ending and as someone pointed out this series is reeking of a cliffhanger. This series is a trap
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Jun 14, 2013 11:34 PM

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That drama was slightly boring. Good episode anyways.
Jun 15, 2013 12:06 AM

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Wow, that was one twisted meaning of 'One for All'. As expected from Hikki. Why can't they appreciate him? And Yukino actually laughed.
Jun 15, 2013 12:26 AM

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DAT YUKINO.
Whole season I was hating her, and now I received critical hit that kinda reversed flow of thoughts towards her. But Haruno sure has one twisted plan for making them closer (?).
Jun 15, 2013 2:06 AM

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HA GO DIE SAGAMI.
Jun 15, 2013 2:14 AM

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Great development, Yukinon was like smiling the whole episode and I approve it. :D
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Actually guys i think Sagami ended up being kind of a victim. She's you usual spoiled teenage girl that just wants to do what she likes but she ain't some evil mastermind. She just hurts people by being ignorant not caring enough or being too self-absorbed so if someone criticized her(in this case Yukinon's sister that she seemed to have respect for) about being lazy for not doing her duties from the start then she would have done more. You know how kids need to be pulled to do some things. But instead of that Yukino's sister encouraged her goofing around so she let herself get absorb in herself since she could avoid work and have fun.
Is like the kid not doing it's homework and continuing playing video-games.
So she was played by Yukino's sister so she can seem like the evil guy that made her sister and our main get close again.
Now she realized that she didn't do her work to feel satisfaction of the results and she's kind of pushed aside and look like stupid so she can't even enjoy the festival.
So i think she's kind of a victim of Yukino's sister plotting.

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Wow... i don't really understand why peoiple are so cross with Haruno.
1. She NEVER approved of Sagami from the moment she was late for the meeting in the previous ep. Haruno did put a thick facade, being friendly with Sagami after all but her first reaction is utter despise. She just doesn't want to be harsh to people so that's why she puts all that "thick facade".


No, what she did was throw Sagami under a bus. she thought "this girl looks stupid enough for me to mess with" and she did it so she can help her sister. She could have helped Sagami become better and grow by preaching her for being late and making her work hard along with her sister but she thought to just use her as some villain because she was simplistic and wanted to fool around to get Hachiman close to her sister and who cares if this unknown girl ends up being worse off.
Well i guess it will depend now how Sagami takes it. She might decide never to put her self in such position again by being lazy and airhead or she might get scared and try to avoid responsibility all together and end up always feeling less her whole life.
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lol dat BL scene omg :D

Overall good episode, yukinon :3

chairman getting on my nerves.
Jun 15, 2013 3:48 AM

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Good episode. The show was great. Sagami eat shit. You got what you deserve.
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Monad said:
Actually guys i think Sagami ended up being kind of a victim. She's you usual spoiled teenage girls that just wants to do what she likes but she ain't some evil mastermind. She just hurts p0eople by not caring enough or being too self-absorbed so if someone criticized her(in this case Yukinon's sister that seemed to have respect for) about being lazy for not doing her duties from the start then she would have done more. You know how kids need to be pulled to do some things. But instead of that Yukinon sister encouraged her goofing around so she let herself get absorb in herself since she could avoid work and have fun.
Is like the kid not doing it's homework and continuing playing video-games.
So she was played by Yukino's sister so she can seem like the evil guy that made Her sister and our main get close again.
Now she realized that she didn't do her work to feel satisfaction of the results and she's kind of pushed aside and look like stupid so she can't even enjoy the festival.
So i think she's kind of a victim of Yukino's sister plotting.


Oh come on. There are a few scenes of Sagami being helpless and sad, and that's all it takes for you to switch into pity mode?

Sagami may not be an 'evil mastermind' but she is by no means free of malice.
She never intended to do her work and she never intended to improve herself as a person. But she DID try to gather fame points by assuming the chairman position. That's why she assumed the chairman position and that's why she proposed everyone to slack off.
Haruno merely allowed her to do as she pleased, not letting Yukino criticize her. Haruno was the one doing the scheming, but she did not manipulate anyone. So in the end, Sagami dug her own grave. She can't be the victim if she is the malefactor. Things just didn't go the way she wanted them to.
Sagami got what she deserved. No more and no less than that.
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Monad said:
Actually guys i think Sagami ended up being kind of a victim. She's you usual spoiled teenage girls that just wants to do what she likes but she ain't some evil mastermind. She just hurts p0eople by not caring enough or being too self-absorbed so if someone criticized her(in this case Yukinon's sister that seemed to have respect for) about being lazy for not doing her duties from the start then she would have done more. You know how kids need to be pulled to do some things. But instead of that Yukinon sister encouraged her goofing around so she let herself get absorb in herself since she could avoid work and have fun.
Is like the kid not doing it's homework and continuing playing video-games.
So she was played by Yukino's sister so she can seem like the evil guy that made Her sister and our main get close again.
Now she realized that she didn't do her work to feel satisfaction of the results and she's kind of pushed aside and look like stupid so she can't even enjoy the festival.
So i think she's kind of a victim of Yukino's sister plotting.
This is actually very true, except for some details. Haruno simply 'pushed'. Even without her assist, Sagami would've still acted same. It is true that she is kind of victim now, but it is not Haruno's doing, but all because of Hachiman's self destruction, where made her to realise that she is totally unneeded as well as being useless as a leader herself.

As I said before, Haruno simply just like to mass around with situation. Haruno didn't really 'plot', but it is true when Hachiman said about 'hito' stuff, she did assisted him this time instead of Sagami exactly knowing what he was going for. She didn't particularly choose to help/insult someone in specific; neither Sagami nor Hachiman, not even Yukinoshita. Just messing with them for her fun. However, she does seem to be a bit interested in Hachiman - who obviously knows her true nature as well as having some rotten characteristic.

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Sagami may not be an 'evil mastermind' but she is by no means free of malice.
She never intended to do her work and she never intended to improve herself as a person. But she DID try to gather fame points by assuming the chairman position. That's why she assumed the chairman position and that's why she proposed everyone to slack off.
That is wrong. You say she never intended to improve herself, but she never intended to hurt someone either. Gather 'fame' point is simply guess-work.

Another thing is that the situation of Sagami hasn't changed at from the start to the end. She doesn't have to work with Yukinoshita doing stuffs. Sagami obviously knew she is not capable of doing chairman, thus she brought Yukinoshita as vice-captain, so that she can 'escape' from thinking about this work. Hachiman simply made her realise that and finally face the situation straight forward - the place where she is unneeded.

Well, duh. What I can say is she just feels bad about herself. I cannot really call her victim, since she didn't really get any punishment that you guys wanted at all. Like, she is still not doing work as she was from the start, and the way people act on her is all same too.
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Yukino is so adorable.
especially when she was laughing behind those sheets and then became so serious.
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This episode lost some of the tension from the last episode.
Also, some jealousy can be seen.

That beginning scene. Turns out to be a part of the play, which was hilarious, especially with Ebina's reactions.
Hayato X Totsuka!! (Sorry, Hachiman, but you've already got someone else.)

Yukino's place seems pretty sweet to me.

I liked that slogan scene with the laughs from the Yukinoshita sisters.
But what I really liked was Hachiman's slogan and explanation.
But the slogan they end up with isn't that bad.

That hand wave by Yukino was asdfghjkl; (Development!!)

Yui indirectly asked Hachiman out. Nice!

I don't know why, but I feel sorry for Sagami.
I wonder how this will turn out.
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Kitchiri said:

Naoki-Saten said:
Sagami may not be an 'evil mastermind' but she is by no means free of malice.
She never intended to do her work and she never intended to improve herself as a person. But she DID try to gather fame points by assuming the chairman position. That's why she assumed the chairman position and that's why she proposed everyone to slack off.


That is wrong. You say she never intended to improve herself, but she never intended to hurt someone either. Gather 'fame' point is simply guess-work.

Another thing is that the situation of Sagami hasn't changed at from the start to the end. She doesn't have to work with Yukinoshita doing stuffs. Sagami obviously knew she is not capable of doing chairman, thus she brought Yukinoshita as vice-captain, so that she can 'escape' from thinking about this work.


Firstly: Never play the "That is wrong" or "That's just how it is" card in a discussion. No one will bother with you if you don't play by the rules.
Secondly: your 'escape from thinking about work' is, by your own standards, simply guess-work
Thirdly: If Sagami didn't assume the chairman position in order to gather fame points, then why did she do it? According to you, she knew from the beginning that she couldn't handle it. Why would anyone pick up an impossible task they don't want to do if they can't profit from it in any form?
And why would she propose everyone to slack off? She wasn't doing anything in the first place, so her own workload wouldn't change in any way. What other reason would she have if not trying to be popular with the comitee?
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Naoki-Saten said:
Monad said:
Actually guys i think Sagami ended up being kind of a victim. She's you usual spoiled teenage girls that just wants to do what she likes but she ain't some evil mastermind. She just hurts p0eople by not caring enough or being too self-absorbed so if someone criticized her(in this case Yukinon's sister that seemed to have respect for) about being lazy for not doing her duties from the start then she would have done more. You know how kids need to be pulled to do some things. But instead of that Yukinon sister encouraged her goofing around so she let herself get absorb in herself since she could avoid work and have fun.
Is like the kid not doing it's homework and continuing playing video-games.
So she was played by Yukino's sister so she can seem like the evil guy that made Her sister and our main get close again.
Now she realized that she didn't do her work to feel satisfaction of the results and she's kind of pushed aside and look like stupid so she can't even enjoy the festival.
So i think she's kind of a victim of Yukino's sister plotting.


Oh come on. There are a few scenes of Sagami being helpless and sad, and that's all it takes for you to switch into pity mode?

Sagami may not be an 'evil mastermind' but she is by no means free of malice.
She never intended to do her work and she never intended to improve herself as a person. But she DID try to gather fame points by assuming the chairman position. That's why she assumed the chairman position and that's why she proposed everyone to slack off.
Haruno merely [l]allowed[/l] her to do as she pleased, not letting Yukino criticize her. Haruno was the one doing the scheming, but she did not manipulate anyone. So in the end, Sagami dug her own grave. She can't be the victim if she is the malefactor. Things just didn't go the way she wanted them to.
Sagami got what she deserved. No more and no less than that.


I say it how i see it. It has nothing to do about pity mode.
And she didn't just "allowed". She encouraged her and she ended up like that because she had no a single person truly care for her and tell her that it's not gonna end good if she keeps just doing what she wants.
Yes i agree that she herself never actually felt like working hard on it but she's a spoiled teenage girl, she was like a baby eating too much candy with no one telling her to stop cause it will hurt her stomach, if someone had shaken her up a little she could have worked even if at first she would be displeased about it and then in the end feel nice in the festival and nice about the time she spend working with others and getting close to them and acknowledge in herself that it's better she was pushed doing it and share smiles with everybody. Basically change for the better because a person cared for her.
But instead she got people that didn't care and a person that not only didn't care about how she might end up but thought it was also a good idea to use her like she isn't also a person with feelings.
The only one who gave her the preaching she needed was Hachiman but he did it when everything was basically over cause he didn't care about her ether and at that point only served to make her feel the anguish of her actions but not being able to do much about it anymore. Of course the realization still may make her become better but it could also make her shut down or go fully bitch as a self defense mechanism depending on how strong she is as a person.
MonadJun 15, 2013 6:07 AM
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Naoki-Saten said:
Sagami may not be an 'evil mastermind' but she is by no means free of malice.
She never intended to do her work and she never intended to improve herself as a person. But she DID try to gather fame points by assuming the chairman position. That's why she assumed the chairman position and that's why she proposed everyone to slack off.
That is wrong. You say she never intended to improve herself, but she never intended to hurt someone either. Gather 'fame' point is simply guess-work.


It is supported by Hikki social analysis which usualy turn to ber right also her condescending attitude shows plenty malice so claim that she never had intend hurt others is wrong as well.
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And she didn't just "allowed". She encouraged her and she ended up like that because she had no a single person truly care for her and tell her that it's not gonna end good if she keeps just doing what she wants.
Yes i agree that she herself never actually felt like working hard on it but she's a spoiled teenage girl, she was like a baby eating too much candy with no one telling her to stop cause it will hurt her stomach, if someone had shaken her up a little she could have worked even if at first she would be displeased about it and then in the end feel nice in the festival and nice about the time she spend working with others and getting close to them and acknowledge in herself that it's better she was pushed doing it and share smiles with everybody. Basically change for the better because a person cared for her.


Why should anyone care about someone who assumes a high position without any intention to do work?

Also, if a little girl keeps eating candy, there are two ways to teach her. The first way is to take away the candy and tell her she will upset her stomach (assuming she will actually listen). The second way is to simply let her eat it and get stomach ache. That way, she'll learn that 'too much candy = Pain' and will therefore not repeat the same mistake.
Keep in mind that Neither Haruno nor anyone else on the comitee is Sagami's mother. Nobody has an obligation to help her 'grow as a person', especially when she blatantly lied about actually wanting to grow.
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