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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Green hair guy wanted to get the girl back, but got stopped by the staff. He's forbidden to ride for awhile and getting some people he know following him around. lol~ giving pressure to him? That girl with golden hair is that man's daughter, though. Attack at Arabia-like area. Mission paused because something (w. money) called boss to stop. He and the golden hair girl ran away. She hated him for giving her beloved mother and saved her instead during an accident. Then it was decided to proceed with saving the people. lol @ pink hair girl said wanna do "unite" (Aquarion) with their close interaction. Though the secret is too strong that there's less chance to win. To live and win the battle, both of them went to stop secret. With the explosion, both of them are alive. lol @ both of them wanting to fight back that boss ("father") lol @ those three's act (the video)... was the set up by the boss!! lol~ |
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| This episode had me kinda lost, like alot of details were dropped/skipped or it was just a filler ep. It felt really disjointed from ep 7. |
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| Once again it shows how the world E7 is set in is undermined by hidden agendas and economic and political interests. Even the footage that showed the wounded inhabitants was fake though it served a good purpose. We get to learn more about Fleur and that she is basically risking her life out of spite for her father who happens to be the president of the organisation. This attitude and Ao's show how naive they still are and how they are guided by spontaneous feelings, a fact that makes them easy to manipulate. I'Ve grown wary of Elena with her constant cheery behaviour. Especially her resemblance to Mirror from last episode makes me suspicious if she is more than she lets on. |
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| Solid episode that helped flesh out the characters and political climate more, and had an entertaining battle to boot. Still, it felt a little disposable in the grand scheme of things, and possessed a lot of QUALITY. I'm eager for the main plot to kick into gear, and am still wondering what the situation is with Naru, though it seems we might get some answers with that next episode (as it seems somewhat Truth-centric). Still, it was entertaining, and just enough to get a 4/5 from me. |
| good episode Political wars! only weird part was how little this had to do with what happen last week. |
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| WTH...why is Ao hating on his father (supposedly Renton)? I wonder what happened or if he has some kind of misunderstanding?! |
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| Fleur for one worries me I think she was very serious about sacrificing her life if it meant not losing to her father. It says to me she has an obsessive hatred, another example would be trying to annoy her father whenever possible furthermore in the episode 7 preview they described her feelings towards her father as warped. The growing friendship between Ao and Fleur is good but it’s founded on hatred for their fathers. It reminds of Malcolm in the Middle where Malcolm’s neighbours are literally united by their mutual hatred for his family. I’m really curious as to what happened to Renton, Ao dialogue implies that he’s still alive and I can’t think of any reason other than death as to why he would leave Eureka and Ao. The most likely reason for Ao hating Renton is because he wasn’t around for at least most of his life it’s a common trope for people raised by a single parent. |
terribad said: Fleur for one worries me I think she was very serious about sacrificing her life if it meant not losing to her father. It says to me she has an obsessive hatred, another example would be trying to annoy her father whenever possible furthermore in the episode 7 preview they described her feelings towards her father as warped. The growing friendship between Ao and Fleur is good but it’s founded on hatred for their fathers. It reminds of Malcolm in the Middle where Malcolm’s neighbours are literally united by their mutual hatred for his family. I’m really curious as to what happened to Renton, Ao dialogue implies that he’s still alive and I can’t think of any reason other than death as to why he would leave Eureka and Ao. The most likely reason for Ao hating Renton is because he wasn’t around for at least most of his life it’s a common trope for people raised by a single parent. Kinda what I'm thinking too, he makes it act as if Renton is alive. Mhphmm.. |
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terribad said: Fleur for one worries me I think she was very serious about sacrificing her life if it meant not losing to her father. It says to me she has an obsessive hatred, another example would be trying to annoy her father whenever possible furthermore in the episode 7 preview they described her feelings towards her father as warped. The growing friendship between Ao and Fleur is good but it’s founded on hatred for their fathers. It reminds of Malcolm in the Middle where Malcolm’s neighbours are literally united by their mutual hatred for his family. I’m really curious as to what happened to Renton, Ao dialogue implies that he’s still alive and I can’t think of any reason other than death as to why he would leave Eureka and Ao. The most likely reason for Ao hating Renton is because he wasn’t around for at least most of his life it’s a common trope for people raised by a single parent. I don't think he actually ever knew Renton; just that he knows his mother, for the time that she was raising him, was never beside his father, leading to resentment over that fact. I'm confident if he knew the truth, he'd think differently about his dad (unless Renton really did something shitty that we don't know about... which I doubt). |
DangerrJun 1, 2012 2:49 AM
| So what are they doing with the romance in this show? They're setting it up for Fleur, but Naru is already established to be like that earlier on. So is that going to be a thing? Or are they going to pull a Last Exile and establish an unspoken love triangle between the characters just to have some older woman pointlessly make out with the main character and never establish any romance with anyone? |
| weak episode this week, ye i agree this is pretty much a filler episode |
| Hmm..a conflict and friendship there. A good episode |
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| Ao: "You dare dump me Naru?! Alright, I'll show you what I am capable of <_<" ep8: *Fleur added to the harem* Ao: "This was easy. Now on to Elena..." Ao is such a swager... |
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| Yes. Forget Naru and go for a Ao x Fleur ending. XD |
| Very good episode.... Ao x Fleur <3 j0x said: weak episode this week, ye i agree this is pretty much a filler episode How is this a filler? We learned about something new about character personalities, and a good character development. |
twonlineJun 1, 2012 6:06 AM
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| The most interesting point of this episode for me was that we learned that Ao hates his father. But why? How could he even know him? Or does he just hate him because he wasn't there for him as a kid? Or Eureka said bad things about him? |
| Decent episode but I will make better answer as time goes by. |
| What a boring episode. I expected a lot more after the last epi and this was just not it. And what rly pissed me off was Fleur's attitude. Rly, hating your father cause he saved your life instead of your mother? Yes, I can understand you'd feel rly guilty being the cause of your mom not being there but did you EVER try to get away from your own selfishness and egocentrism to THINK how your father felt when he made that desicion? How your mother would feel knowing her only daughter is dead? So now you hate your father and try to annoy him as much as you can for SAVING HIS BELOVED daughter knowing that's what his wife would want. Way to go to be unlikeable. And Ao accepting like it's normal. He just became more boring. Sure, you 2 get closer cause of lack of common sense. And yeah, I ado agree that ao is proly blaming his dad for not being there. That at least has some base since I don't think he knows anything abt the guy. |
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| Huh, I thought that AO was just referring to the president of the company as his "father". Especially when the three stooges comment on him not liking the father. I really hope to see AO in the future really having some passion for some kind of goal/dream/girl that no one can stop. Like Renton, when Renton wanted to fight or save Eureka, no one could stop him, untill holland would beat him into a pulp. That passion Renton had (though often misguided) was really powerful. AO gives up way too easy, I guess he's more controlled. |
| The way the fights are setup every episode...doesn't it remind you of evangelion? A new monster pops up every ep? (minus all the emo moments) |
| Ok episode; not as bad as the last one, but it seemed like they were contradicting themselves the whole way through; and that "did we win" at the end just made Ao seem stupid; also granted i'm sure age and perspective has to do with it, but Fleur also doesn't look at the other side of the coin on how her mother would feel if she lived and Fleur died; idk the show is still lacking for me, hopefully it picks up in future episodes. |
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| E7 Ao likes to remind us that we are watching children, who act their age. 12 year old kids believe they are the center of the world. Like E7, I believe E7 Ao is a story of kids growing up and maturing with focus on Ao, who is molding into the main character he is supposed to be. Also, unlike many mecha series which use mecha as eye candy only (a really good example is the awful Infinite Stratos), Nirvash and other fighters are an integral part of the story. They help weave in the politics and the central conflict with Truth/Sea monster, but their overuse is starting to feel like a waste of time. Hopefully, the future episodes will spend their air time more wisely. On the other hand, one thing I have found E7 Ao neglect is Nirvash's personality, which was extensively discussed in E7. Interesting... In addition, the end scene where the two of them walk proudly to humiliate the president was irony done right. Laugh of the week! |
triforcebih said: s2012k1993 said: On the other hand, one thing I have found E7 Ao neglect is Nirvash's personality, which was extensively discussed in E7. Interesting... Nirvash feels dead. It feels like a simple machine, no responses at all... I wonder if it is even the real Nirvash or just some, lets call it, "kid" of the Nirvash who was heavily modified by the Americunts/Japfags. Each EP I expect something to happen where the Nirvash wakes up/goes rage. This EP when the engineer stopped the Nirvash manualy I kinda wanted it not to stop... but to carry on and show them that it's not an ordinary IFO. After all wasn't the Nirvash actualy a scub coral in it's core... ? And yay for char development. Fine EP, nut still on shaky ground tho. It isn't the same Nirvash, as even the president said: "The Mark I and the Nirvash aren't the same thing" (implying they know of the original Nirvash) - this one seems to be completely mechanical, though there seems to be another secret behind it. I'm sure they named the Mark I the Nirvash to honor the original. |
| Looks like Ao's pissed off that his friend got taken away. I don't blame him that especially since that freak of nature took on the entire base by himself and caused all that trouble. Here's the secret of this episode: It is also nice to see a little into Fleur's past in this episode and see the hate that she has for Overall, I gotta admit that the teamwork and chemistry between Fleur and Ao was cute to watch this time around. That is all.  |
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| Nice ep.! Some character development, at last. Ao and Fleur are cute, I hope they stop all the fanservice with her. Naru is nice but she coffs every damn second, makes it boring. |
Magito said: Yes. Forget Naru and go for a Ao x Fleur ending. XD Actually....Hard to believe i'm saying this....But.....I would actually like to see Ao end up with either of the three by the end honestly.....Either one that it ends up being i will be happy because i like all of them.....Anyways, i don't see why people are picking on this episode, it's a lot better than the trash we got last week. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and to me this episode made me feel like the series is starting to pick back up the pace it had three episodes ago. |
| I was pretty bored during this episode. AO clearly doesn't know his father, so how can he hate him? The logical assumption is he probably thinks that his dad abandoned Eureka, which Renton probably had no control over. Whatever the case, I'm finding it really hard to care about any of the characters. People argue to give it time, but there was always at least one element (in each episode) of the original I could find interesting. |
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| I can't stand Fleur at ALL, ugh @ the increased screentime. I can't stand the other pilot girl either. It's actually enraging me to watch this show at this point because I personally do not like the direction this is heading, plus I hate all the characters aside from Ao. I hold E7 so close to my heart, so despite my rage (which is a direct result of me being so passionate for the series in the first place) I'll be watching until the end. |
Magito said: Yes. Forget Naru and go for a Ao x Fleur ending. XD this. |
Raigerzero said: First, people who are familiar with the original Nirvash seem to believe that this is that Nirvash, chief among them include Truth and Ivica Tanovic I believe that Ivica, knowing Eureka, may have knowledge about the original Nirvash, though at this point I doubt he's actually seen or made contact with it; I think he just acknowledges that the Type I carries on its legacy, with its previous pilot being Eureka, and all. As for Truth, I think it's too early to say. Personally, I see Truth as a product of this world, or don't believe that he has a conscious memory of original Earth (if he indeed hails from there, in some way), but nonetheless feels that something is wrong with this world. It's hard to say if he knew the original Nirvash, and even if he didn't, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that he thinks the Type I is --the-- Nirvash. Raigerzero said: If the secret IFO is confirmed to be the Nirvash type TheEnd, and that turns out to also be mechanical (which it should be since I would think a Coralian frame would be big news), maybe one "rule" of this world is that all Coralian (aside human ones) are converted to mechanical forms, as possibly evidenced by the Nirvash-AO and the Secrets. There's no evidence that theEND seen in the previous episode is completely mechanical, and is very likely that it possesses the original Coralian archetype. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't believe it was destroyed in the first series, but rather "reclaimed" by the scub upon sensing its imminent doom (remember the other reclamations of those with desperation disease, and those whom they were close to, near the end of the first series). Raigerzero said: Furthermore, I probably missed this fact in episode 5, but it seems that Scub Coral are historical in the Earth, which leads me to two questions. First, are the Scub Coral native to Earth or was an alternate historical pathway created after the events of Eureka Seven's last episode? Second, would people and countries be in constant fear of fusion explosions since there was no way to stop the Secrets from reaching the Scub Coral, historically? I feel that the answers to these two questions should have led to a drastically different political world map. If this is indeed a different dimension that the Coralians from the first series are migrating to (a theory that I still subscribe to), then it's fairly safe to assume that nailing the "time" of arrival is either a fairly difficult endeavor, or that there's some sort of deliberation here, most likely as to not stir too much panic on this Earth; making it more of a gradual transition (it may also be to avoid another "Limit of Questions" scenario). It does seem, however, that the Scub Coral is either failing to communicate with the inhabitants of its new world, or that something is impeding or preventing that from happening. "Secrets"? International conspiracies? Amnesia? All of the above? It seems to early to say. One thing that is for certain, however, you'd think the task would be much easier, or at least doable, with having had Eureka around to tell humanity exactly what was going on here. It's likely that she told Generation Bleu, or at least people in close association with, and that would explain the certain monopoly they seem to possess on IFO/FP technology. But that leads, again, to the question - what's with the apparent communication barrier, here? |
DangerrJun 1, 2012 8:46 PM
the_trainman said: Damn, filler is filler... God forbids character development episodes. :/ Although it was quite boring. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| God, I'm finding it hard to care about any of the characters at this point even if this is a character development episode... Fleur x Ao seems nice, but the other characters are just pretty meh. Ao's supposed female companion, Naru? Not much development at all... E7 had something that made me really care about the characters that this series did not. They made a lot more jokes, and had more good times than these characters (the prank pulled on Renton, the funny sex jokes teased at Renton, etc.). It's just mecha fight after mecha fight every episode, I swear. Now I'm not saying mecha fights are bad, but they're only good if you actually care about the characters and are curious to see the outcome. |
| This show continues to suck. They keep using the same formula for every other episode and it's getting annoying. Another thing is what happened to Fleur's personality. It changed a lot and it felt too forced. She's way to friendly and loving towards AO now simply because he hates his father?? Which leads me to the question that everyone has been asking...where the f did the whole AO suddenly hating his father come from? It would have been far more believable if it was brought up at the start and built upon in each episode. It just got tossed at us out of nowhere. This show is being rushed big time. With only 24 episodes I can see how this is gonna end...bad. As for the other Nirvash, didn't they hint at the president having both the Mark I and Nirvash? in an earlier episode? |
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| the style of E7 Ao is very different to the previews series. in the old one there was a high focus on the renton x eureka romance, but in Ao there's like no romance at all. it also reminds me very much of neon genesis evangelion: 1 boy and 2 girls fighting in mechas against suddenly appearing abstract aliens for an organization. |
| A lot of peeps appear to be pretty perplexed why the President double-backed on his decision, or why Fleur has changed her tone, or who elena is. Moreover, people still seem pretty pissed off at the last episode. It has me kinda confused why, to be honest. I think the first observation to point out, is that this is NOT E7, it is a sequel. But it is clear BONES want to take it in a different direction (stress different points, make different plots - no one likes repetition of an already good story). Secondly, a major theme in this story is TRUTH (made blatantly clear by the "apparent" antagonist's name). That is, every character (even Ao) appears hide more than they're letting on: - Ao has still not told of the intricate details of Eureka and his father (Renton presumably) = juicy stuff. - The President made juxtaposed decisions so as to cloud his true motives. - Elena appears innocent, yet the appearance of "Mirror" seems to show she too holds ulterior motives - Even "caretaker" characters like Ivica and Rebecka seems to be holding back I think this is actually a really interesting way to tease out the story. In a way, its similar to E7, where Renton had to go from naivety to understanding, thus maturing. I just think the method in which it's teased out is different. Renton's epiphany was much more sudden - like glass shattering. Ao's "naivety" appears to be much more of a hoarding of key bits of info, so as to build the bigger jigsaw puzzle. Each episode, we get one more essential and juicy piece. Finally (sorrrrrry for long rant), the other themes (like political tension and paternal mistrust) add a real grittiness to the world. I also like the fact that the romance is NOT set in stone (key distinguishing part from E7). I think its good that we don't know who Ao will get, if anyone at all. It means we potentially invest more in Fleur, because she could form a romantic attachment. Like E7, the romance has tension, just a different type. Anyway - sooooo sorry for the long reply. Much like the bloggers on randomc.net (awesome review site), i just feel like I have to defend what to me, feels like a really well-written anime. I have a distinct feeling, that because this was tagged as an "E7 sequel," people came in expecting E7 Season 2, not E7 2.0. As a result, people may be putting unfair expectations on this anime from the start. Maybe not. All I ask is try to see this with fresh eyes. PS. If you read this far, you deserve a prize. Or cake. |
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