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Crack said: Are you fucking kidding me anime? How does a single episode get so much wrong so suddenly? The main villain who we've just spectating wandering around with the main characters the last several episodes, foreshadowed for the longest time, turns out to be not such a bad guy? Give me a break. Roberto's bullshit teleporting and immortality comes back again, I mean, everyone in this show literally does, even that abusive dad walks at the right time just so this show can rub its themes in your face one more time. And as contrived as it already is, why's fucking Runge the one to suggest saving Johan? Why don't we ask our empty shell of a protagonist? No better way to insult me after investing hours into this shit https://youtu.be/dU2uy4oyq2w The main goal of the show isnt to kill Johan the human, but the monster of nihilism thats inside him Obviously convenient coincidences happen but if they serve the narrative of the show then its fine in my opinion, coincidences happen all the time in fiction |
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| Pretty much brilliant. Johan just appeared in front of Tenma. It's been so long since they confronted... The moment when Johan was shot in the head, I was honestly a bit disappointed, because I expected more from his last conversation with Tenma and Nina, but there's still a chance for that in the final episode. So the hidden memory that Nina had is the one about Poppe telling her NOT to become a monster? Wow... how different they turned out just because of that. I am so extremely glad that it wasn't Tenma who shot Johan, I would've been devastated. And I am even gladder that he went to operate on Johan again. Even Lunge and Nina agree with that. It's just who Tenma is. A doctor and a savior. It's not like they're gonna let Johan walk carefree after what he has done. Might be my slow brain but I'm still kinda confused on why Johan insisted for Tenma to shoot him. Drunk dad did what any parent would do there. Can't imagine what can be said for the final episode, but I'm already feeling like this show deserves a perfect rating. |
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| Oh christ, not this again. I invested 20+ hours of my time for this? After everything Johann has done, Tenma is still willing to save him? Moral lessons be damned. Gonna drop this show from 10/10 to 8 |
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| I have no words to say how much I hate this ending LOL I'm so surprised I came here and everyone is so pleased |
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| What in the world is Roberto made of? Dude keeps reviving every episode. I was frightened that Lunge was dead, thankfully he survived as well. Once again, Tenma is going to save Johan. Tbh, he doesn’t deserve to be saved after all the evil atrocities he has committed. |
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| The final standoff for what is Johan's masterpiece is the culmination of his efforts to plan this perfect suicide. All he had to do next is get killed by the hands that has brought the monster back to life a decade ago, by Tenma. From Johan's perspective, understanding the journey Tenma has gone through since he last met Johan, Tenma has definitely realized that not all lives are equal and the only equality all humans share is their eventual deaths. From that understanding, there is little to stop Tenma from shooting and killing Johan, which is what Johan hoped would happen, which is also precisely why Johan felt desperate for that scenario to happen when there are more and more obstacles to stop that from happening. The arrival of Anna, forgiving Johan and urging Tenma to not shoot, and Tenma's own hesitation, all forced Johan to finally go outside the calculations he has made. When he was threatening to shoot Wim, the face he's making is one of sheer anxious desperation. Alas, Johan's wishes never came to be. He was shot right in the head, but not by the man he wanted to be killed. And instead by an element so random, so unpredictable that it goes outside and beyond the realms of expectations and possibilities that Johan has calculated within his grand scheme. A plan that has taken many years to converse in this last final standoff, foiled by the unpredictability of a wildcard made only possible because of the gun given to him from Johan's earlier plan. Shot by a random drunkard who is trying to save his son. Even the Monster that has manipulated the entire course of the story cannot expect and foresee such an incalculable entity to be the one to end it all. Ultimately Tenma didn't shoot JKohan as Johan wished it to be but is instead one to resurrect him once again, for the 2nd time. |
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| i had a feeling tenma was going to save johan |
| When Roberto shot Bonaparte, I thought Runge was dead. When I saw he was fine, I popped off. |
| I have read 2 perfect chapters of manga; They are Usogui Chapter 203 and Onani Master Kurosawa Chapter 23. |
Crack said: Are you fucking kidding me anime? How does a single episode get so much wrong so suddenly? The main villain who we've just spectating wandering around with the main characters the last several episodes, foreshadowed for the longest time, turns out to be not such a bad guy? Give me a break. Roberto's bullshit teleporting and immortality comes back again, I mean, everyone in this show literally does, even that abusive dad walks at the right time just so this show can rub its themes in your face one more time. And as contrived as it already is, why's fucking Runge the one to suggest saving Johan? Why don't we ask our empty shell of a protagonist? No better way to insult me after investing hours into this shit yeah didn't like this episode also |
fxa88 said: as above, yeah. kinda ridiculous. guy killed hundreds but noo killing him will be bad lol Seems like the cringe and edgy batman quote about "if you kill a killer the number stays the same". There should be 0 hesitation in shooting Johan at this pointI have just finished watching Monster, but I have to say that episode 73 was extremely frustrating. I was frustrated enough by Grimmer's death, but ok, at least Grimmer was able to have the genuine feeling of sadness like a human being. At least he become a normal being again, poor guy, after being deformed by those monsters at Kinderheim 511. First of all, fu****g Roberto didn't even get a proper death that he deserved. Roberto should have be beaten and got shot like 10 times at least, including on his disgusting face. And the only man who had the guts to possibily do it, i.e. Inspector Lunge, didn't. That's just infuriating! The anime makes you hate Roberto, Johan an many others, so you naturally expect to "get free" of some of this hatred, but you simply don't. Roberto's death was so, so, so frustrating! Also, Franz Bonaparta / Klaus Popper should not have been killed by Roberto in such a ridiculous way. Bonapart should have paid for his crimes! He did NOT repent of his crimes. He understood that what he had done is evil, and he stopped doing it, but he never confessed his crimes! Moreover, if he had repented, he should have dedicated his life to improve the lives of those who had hurt. He should have put money to help all those victims, like Grimmer, but he never did it! Bonaparta is a fu****g coward who should have been killed by Dr Tenma, or by Johan, or at least should be in jail for the rest of his life. But no, he was just shot by Roberto. That, again, is infuriating! I think I don't need to mention how annoying was to watch Dr Tenma hesitant in shoting Johan, even when he had a gun pointed to Wim, right? Man, that was probably the most annoying episode of an anime I have watched in my whole life! And I'm 35 years old, so it means something. |
| I love Anna's mindset of wanting to forgive Johan, dgaf if that's cliche or something I want to see twins hugging eachother. |
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| I cannot put into words how much I hate the current course of events. At this point I'm just praying Nina and Tenma survive this somehow to make the best of a bad situation. At least Lunge turned out to be a decent person in the end. Sucks that he lost his private life due to his obsession with Tenma. Rizsen said: "I want to forgive him". Yeah, I hope that word of forgiveness can bring back the lives of the people Johan killed. Honestly it's insane. I don't even know what Nina wants to forgive. When Johan killed their adoptive parents? When he did it again to her parents 10 years later? When he killed their mother (unsure if that happened but I seriously thought we would see her in Prague and we didnt, followed by this monologue of Nina in the hut that indicated something happened to their mother when she was at the mansion)? Or all the other shit he has done in recent time? Not even one of these would qualify to be forgiven. Especially not considering his attitude and I'm glad the story didnt go like "Johan broke into tears when Anna finally forgave him". |
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| Fudgin fudge??!!? Wim's dad being the one who shot Johan was the least of the least I expect. Looks like we're back to square one lol with deciding to save Johan or not. Wonder how the final episode of this long series is going to conclude. |
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| I for one am glad Tenma wasn't the one who shot Johann: if things had gone according to his script everyone would've lost. Nina would've most likely offed herself and Tenma would've gone off the deep end. His keeping his hands clean to the end and making the choice to save Johann again serves the overarching theme of valuing each life equally. Making the "Monster" an individual entity within Johann that represents his morbid worldview as opposed to just Johann himself is also a clever way to avoid contradictions between said message and this episode's development. We were able to witness throughout the whole show that everytime Johann has interacted with someone he wanted to manipulate into doing something (whether it be murder, suicide or anything else), the truly monstrous thing about those encounters was always how effortlessly he managed to make his victims see the world the way he sees it. The monster in Johann and everyone who followed his script is as someone mentioned, is pure nihilism and the conviction that existence holds no meaning or value. That death is the only thing that unites and makes us equal. The kids who played on rooftops, Milosh before Grimmer showed up, the serial killers, all the suicide victims, Dieter's legal guardian etc. etc. They all bought into Johann's ideology driven by despair, like the monster hopping from villager to villager and eating them from the inside. And even so, it seems like Johann's orchestrated wide scale massacres were so many attempts to see what lies beyond the death/end of everything (and then let Tenma carry the burden of that sight 🤔). With his actions, Tenma's been fighting against this ideology the whole show, and countless people who were on the brink were brought back into the light, and those same people were able to positively influence others. Taking this opposing worldview to its logical conclusion meant ultimately letting go of the idea of murder completely, and it's quite poetic that the story would wrap up the way it began. It could've been handled a little more smoothly but I'm satisfied with where the conclusion seems to be heading overall. On to the last one! |
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I for one am glad Tenma wasn't the one who shot Johann: if things had gone according to his script everyone would've lost. Nina would've most likely offed herself and Tenma would've gone off the deep end. His keeping his hands clean to the end and making the choice to save Johann again serves the overarching theme of valuing each life equally.
Making the "Monster" an individual entity within Johann that represents his morbid worldview as opposed to just Johann himself is also a clever way to avoid contradictions between said message and this episode's development.
We were able to witness throughout the whole show that everytime Johann has interacted with someone he wanted to manipulate into doing something (whether it be murder, suicide or anything else), the truly monstrous thing about those encounters was always how effortlessly he managed to make his victims see the world the way he sees it.
The monster in Johann and everyone who followed his script is as someone mentioned, is pure nihilism and the conviction that existence holds no meaning or value. That death is the only thing that unites and makes us equal. The kids who played on rooftops, Milosh before Grimmer showed up, the serial killers, all the suicide victims, Dieter's legal guardian etc. etc. They all bought into Johann's ideology driven by despair, like the monster hopping from villager to villager and eating them from the inside.
And even so, it seems like Johann's orchestrated wide scale massacres were so many attempts to see what lies beyond the death/end of everything (and then let Tenma carry the burden of that sight 🤔).
With his actions, Tenma's been fighting against this ideology the whole show, and countless people who were on the brink were brought back into the light, and those same people were able to positively influence others. Taking this opposing worldview to its logical conclusion meant ultimately letting go of the idea of murder completely, and it's quite poetic that the story would wrap up the way it began.
It could've been handled a little more smoothly but I'm satisfied with where the conclusion seems to be heading overall.
On to the last one!
Making the "Monster" an individual entity within Johann that represents his morbid worldview as opposed to just Johann himself is also a clever way to avoid contradictions between said message and this episode's development.
We were able to witness throughout the whole show that everytime Johann has interacted with someone he wanted to manipulate into doing something (whether it be murder, suicide or anything else), the truly monstrous thing about those encounters was always how effortlessly he managed to make his victims see the world the way he sees it.
The monster in Johann and everyone who followed his script is as someone mentioned, is pure nihilism and the conviction that existence holds no meaning or value. That death is the only thing that unites and makes us equal. The kids who played on rooftops, Milosh before Grimmer showed up, the serial killers, all the suicide victims, Dieter's legal guardian etc. etc. They all bought into Johann's ideology driven by despair, like the monster hopping from villager to villager and eating them from the inside.
And even so, it seems like Johann's orchestrated wide scale massacres were so many attempts to see what lies beyond the death/end of everything (and then let Tenma carry the burden of that sight 🤔).
With his actions, Tenma's been fighting against this ideology the whole show, and countless people who were on the brink were brought back into the light, and those same people were able to positively influence others. Taking this opposing worldview to its logical conclusion meant ultimately letting go of the idea of murder completely, and it's quite poetic that the story would wrap up the way it began.
It could've been handled a little more smoothly but I'm satisfied with where the conclusion seems to be heading overall.
On to the last one!
| @Sapewloth His name is Johan, not Johann btw. |
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| @JoeChip It's written with double n in the subs I've been watching so it stuck. |
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| nooo why save him this is retarded! I will drop my score on this... |
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| I swear I was shocked. I thought it was Tenma who shot Johan! Which turned out to be Wim's father. But I'm curious, why did he see Johan as a devil? Having horns and stuff... was it because of his smile? Although I don't know if Johan was smiling at the time or not. Also, what did Nina mean by forgiving him? Forgive for what? For killing that old couple? Killing the Fortner and Liebert families? Pretending to be her when they were children? Taking her memory of the Red Rose Mansion? Or something else? Or all of them? And gosh, I still remember when I really hoped Lunge would meet Johan. Now that they've met, they're even next to each other, but Lunge doesn't know that the one next to him is Johan and Johan is in critical condition. I really want to see Lunge's expression when he sees the real devil. What caught my attention was that Johan's eyes had widened when he felt that there was a possibility that Tenma wouldn't shoot him. Oh, maybe that's why he smiled when he realized that someone else was going to shoot him. In the end all Johan wanted was "death", but maybe he also expected that Tenma would come to help him again (maybe he predicted this plan if Tenma didn't shoot him...? If I remember correctly Roberto said Johan had a plan and he wouldn't let Tenma die...). That's why he pointed his gun at Wim to make sure Tenma shot him. Honestly, it was great to see Tenma who could still perform brain surgery after more than a year away from medical stuffs other than first aid/emergency. What's more, his first patient after he resigned as a doctor was the same patient that made him resign. I think it's not just about skills but also mentality. Tenma was mentally drained during his search for Johan, he was also chased by the police... and... well... I think that's great. Last but not least, I can't accept Roberto dying like that. Even though... he cried at the end of his life? Because Johan didn't fulfill his wish? I don't care. Ugh. I want him to die in a more agonizing way. But never mind. Lunge is still alive and yep. I'm quite relieved. |
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