Chi. Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite Episode 20 Discussion

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Mar 28, 4:03 PM

#101

Dragosama

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This is the only episode so far, I didn't enjoy quite as much. I am usually fine with dialogue heavy stuff, but this just felt like deep conversation after deep conversation which made it seem a little pretentious especially considering all they talk about is ideology. Nothing about how the Heretic organization is ran or any insights into what they do just endless discussions about beliefs. jolenta dying also just seemed very forced and a missed opportunity for Novak's character. Almost seems like there is more to it because it's hard to believe all that build up was for nothing.

Mar 28, 6:51 PM

#102

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What a tragically beautiful episode. I think it's just okay that Jolenta and Nowak did not reunite together, it would be just a waste of time if they reunited again, knowing that Nowak already accepted that her daughter was dead. And for the second time around, he did not witness his daughter death. Draka and the Heretics were caught and I hope they will be all safe.

Mar 28, 10:33 PM

#103

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I don't know how they do it, but I get so much anxiety watching this show, more than horror or action shows. It's so grounded and the stakes are high, and there are traitors and enemies chasing them everywhere.

The hell? I thought the young boy was Schmidt... but no, it was he, FREI.

Mar 29, 12:54 AM

#104

perseii

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Dragosama said:
Nothing about how the Heretic organization is ran or any insights into what they do just endless discussions about beliefs.

I'd say how the organization is run has a lot to do with each of their beliefs. The show makes it clear that it's a very loose group whose only shared goal is to bring down the Church. Each member comes from a very different place, in some ways directly contradictory. Schmidt wants to revert humanity to nature, but Jolenta is a scholar who wants progress and freedom of thought for humanity. Schmidt completely rejects humanity's idea of God, but Jolenta quotes scripture and believes she is acting according to God's will. Lewandowski seems to be mostly concerned with his personal salvation. Who knows what Frei is thinking (nothing good, probably).

I liked seeing Draka challenged and influenced by so many different viewpoints in quick succession. And as Schmidt says at the end, every one of them is acting on their own conviction. Now she will have to choose too.

Dragosama said:
jolenta dying also just seemed very forced and a missed opportunity for Novak's character

Yeah that one's a bummer. But curious to see where the show takes this.

The show seems interested in that feeling of "never finding out" and "never being sure." I wonder if this will come to torment Nowak; it might've been better for him to know that that was his daughter.

Mar 29, 3:48 AM

#105

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It felt kinda anti climatic. That being said Jolenta did go out with a bang. I was sure we'd get a confrontation b/w Nowak and Jolenta but they did something interesting. Their paths cross and fade without them being aware of it. They were so into by their convictions that they missed what truely mattered, which in this case is each other. That's some really deep dramatic irony. While frustrating, it's much more tragic. The parellelism to him holding his daughter's blown off hand is chilling. I hope Nowak finds out later. I can't say it enough but the writing of this show is soo good.

Mar 31, 11:30 AM

#106

DoctorWasabi

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wtf was that all buildup for?? they did absolutely nothing with jolenta and her father
such a fucking waste
dropping my score to 9 from 10

it couldve been so good. Like literally a single sentence or two of dialogue wouldve been enough
so annoying

@Kitsune_089

I do think it's really disappointing that a reunion didn't really happen. Perhaps its the authors way to have Nowak to be deeply intertwined with the rest of the episodes as he really is a curveball when it comes to how things play out. However a part of me really wanted just even a brief exchange, not even lasting a minute to have happened, so that perhaps another inner conflict would be in in his mind. Does he snuff out the root of what caused his daughter to die? or does he honor her wishes as her one and only father.?

I really do hope his conclusion is satisfying, but this is Orb we are talking about, I'm 90% certain as of me typing this that it wont let me down.

Mar 31, 11:36 AM

#107

Kitsune_089

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DoctorWasabi said:
@Kitsune_089

I do think it's really disappointing that a reunion didn't really happen. Perhaps its the authors way to have Nowak to be deeply intertwined with the rest of the episodes as he really is a curveball when it comes to how things play out. However a part of me really wanted just even a brief exchange, not even lasting a minute to have happened, so that perhaps another inner conflict would be in in his mind. Does he snuff out the root of what caused his daughter to die? or does he honor her wishes as her one and only father.?

I really do hope his conclusion is satisfying, but this is Orb we are talking about, I'm 90% certain as of me typing this that it wont let me down.

imo nowaks part is fine, my main issue with the show is the last two episodes

Mar 31, 3:52 PM

#108

DoctorWasabi

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imo nowaks part is fine, my main issue with the show is the last two episodes

@Kitsune_089

Replying for the update.

Nowak's conclusion was absolute cinema and perfection. However the last 2 episodes are a bit....odd....like as of now I'm trying to gain information on what it's about. Just going by what I think it is....parallel worlds? a "what if" world ? like if that's the case then it really did come out of nowhere. ( or at the least was not obvious to the audience, maybe they hinted at it vaguely ??? )

I would have preferred a ending where they fast forward far into the future where a young scholar learns about the history of the stars and planets and the people that discovered the foundations of it. All of the big names would be mentioned, and perhaps the person thinks about something along the lines of :

All of these big names were so vital into knowing about the cosmos. However, while I find it inspiring, I somehow feel a sense of...how do I put it....loneliness?...that perhaps just like how it is with the universe. despite the amount of "know" that we understand, there's a a overwhelmingly amount of "not known" we are not privy to. Are these 15 or so names truly the culmination all of those years? Surely not....they say history is written by the victors, and to everything else is buried to time. Perhaps it's the same concept here? That all of those that came before and even after have succumbed to the ravages of time and cruel fate. ......no....its not perhaps, it's a certainty, but it's a certainty that can not be ascertained to that of history.....If that's the case then I must say to you all:

Your contributions rather it be small, moderate, or huge, have lead humanity to where they are now. Your intrigue, your curiosity, and your knowledge has shaped humanity for the better. Your overcame struggles, you overcame walls, and your paths were surely filled with blood and tears. I do not know your faces, I do not know your names, and I certainty don't know what exactly you did to let those that did prevail in history to achieve greatness for others to witness. However....despite all of what I do not know, what I do know is that, your the reason why I'm looking at this clear night sky right now....and to that I must say: thank you....

and maybe have like spirits ( not real, but just showcasing imagery symbolism ) of all of our main characters being by the scholar and gazing at the night sky with him.

Maybe my ending is lame too, I mean I just came up with it as I was typing lol, but it follows the core theme of passing on the torch to the future generations that this anime Cleary showcased. I'm sure there's a way better way of having an alternative ending than what I just imagined, but I just wanted to throw it out there *shrug*

Apr 7, 2:47 PM

#109

NonPlus_

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great,,,,, 91/100

Apr 11, 10:24 AM

#110

Ashhk

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Nooo Jolenta's suicide explosion in front of the starry sky and her father, this is the ultimate sacrifice but it's hard to see that after all of the philosophical discussion she got and what we saw about her character previously... now it didn't even allow them to fully escape as they got arrested at the end :(

Apr 12, 2:03 PM

#111

MiamoreCash

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Every single death in this anime is so powerful..

RIP Jolenta you will be remembered

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